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Anabella Rella
Gradient
1718
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Posted - 2014.06.27 17:32:00 -
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Vincent Athena wrote:1) The inability to just kick back and play casually, without having to be on Full Alert every second, watching local and the intel channel for trouble. 2) Having to pay rent 3) CTAs 4) Politics
This as well as not wanting to be just another nameless cog in the big "machine". When the world is running down, you make the best of what's still around. |
James Nikolas Tesla
Onslaught Inc RISE of LEGION
119
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Posted - 2014.06.27 17:39:00 -
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I'm still waiting on a visit from the 'Order' I'm still convinced that James315 doesn't even exist, he's like a unicorn. That's why. Knight in battered armor
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Inxentas Ultramar
Ultramar Independent Contracting
1331
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Posted - 2014.06.27 18:05:00 -
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Maybe I was a bit negative in my previous post, and didn't mention that another reason not to want to make this move again is the abundance of healthy alternatives. Lowsec has been massively buffed over the last few years in terns of income probability and right now, I can wholeheartedly say I can make more ISK/Hr in lowsec then I can in nullsec (with my SP which is mainly PVP oriented anyway).
Isn't it crafty how CCP tried to cover many playstyles in their MMO? Carebear, roguelike, conquest... it's up to you how you play. I enjoy video games and I might go as far as to call myself a hardcore gamer, but I don't have any incentive to set alarm clocks for a video game. It's fine to leave nullsec to the empire builders that have the time, you don't have to get involved in any of that.
I apologize if any previous comments sounded hostile on a personal level. I recently had a conversation with a corpmate about emergent gameplay, and how it was cool our insignificant corporation almost reached it's 2nd birthday and was still content setting the tone in a lowsec area. It warms my heart to see a group of people sharing their knowledge and most of all, a common philosophy and respect for one another. We've been in nullsec together and hated it. Part of our hostility towards null entities is off course based on their meddling in lowsec (aka claiming all profitable moons, every attemt to go past RF = titan drop) in predictable fashion, but also a difference in philosophy and chances to commit time (the latter I blame mostly on CCP, not the sov owners).
I'd also like to stress that getting involved in politics is a matter of opening your mouth on Teamspeak. This has no bearing on what type of space your group enjoys, but your willingness to interact and your actual social skills. |
CJ Jouhinen
School of Applied Knowledge Caldari State
0
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Posted - 2014.06.27 18:44:00 -
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I've been trying to go out and experience null, but as we all know, it's only worth your while if you're flush with free time and alts or if you join a well-established corp/alliance in a major block. Most of said good corps have standards I can't meet, either because I can't fly the right ships, haven't been a member of their out of game forum for X amount of time, or am not able to log in and pvp for Z number of hours per night/week/month.
To make a long story short, I'm not hardcore enough for the elitepvp corps, I'm not cliqued into the community corps, and I'm not active enough for the warm-body-meatshield corps that support them. Apparently, nullsec is not something for me to experience outside of being a renter so I might try that at some point. |
Zimmy Zeta
Lisa Needs Braces.
41682
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Posted - 2014.06.27 19:48:00 -
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Yokai Mitsuhide wrote:Last time/first time I went to null with a corp/alliance...they told me I wasn't allowed to talk to people in local. Ever. So I thought that was stupid and left. I guess the only thing keeping me from going there is finding the right group to join.
Name & Shame please!
Was it Smegnet Corp ? I'm just going to walk the Earth. You know, like Caine in Kung Fu: walk from place to place, meet people, get into adventures and die of autoerotic asphyxation in a sleazy Thai hotel room. |
Nolak Ataru
Incursion Osprey Replacement Fund LLC
83
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Posted - 2014.06.27 20:13:00 -
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Aralyn Cormallen wrote:Nolak Ataru wrote:Everyone and their mother gatecamping the highsec to low/null gates. If there was a way to bridge me from highsec into the next lowsec system in a random location in the system, I'd do it without hesitating.
Aye, but I've also got 10 alts who I'm not too thrilled about losing implants with. May have to bite the bullet on that, but eh. |
Adunh Slavy
1524
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Posted - 2014.06.27 21:28:00 -
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"So what's keeping you from moving to Null Sec "
Clone costs & gates suck Necessity is the plea for every infringement of human freedom. It is the argument of tyrants; it is the creed of slaves.-á-á- William Pitt |
Alavaria Fera
GoonWaffe
6194
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Posted - 2014.06.28 02:58:00 -
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Inxentas Ultramar wrote:Part of our hostility towards null entities is off course based on their meddling in lowsec (aka claiming all profitable moons, every attemt to go past RF = titan drop) in predictable fashion Nothing like content in lowsec ^^ Delicious goon ((tech nerf, siphon, drone assist, supercap)) tears.
Taking a wrecking ball to the futile hopes and broken dreams of skillless blobbers. |
Xen Solarus
Inner 5phere Republic of the 5phere
851
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Posted - 2014.06.28 03:07:00 -
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Having lived in nullsec for a good old period of time, i can confirm the below factors as being the biggest annoyance.
Vincent Athena wrote: 2) Having to pay rent 3) CTAs 4) Politics
I'd also add ranting power-mad losers to the mix, and terrible Fleet commanders, but then that's likely just my experience.
Though the blue doughnut didn't exist back then to the extent it does now. Can't see any reason why highsecers wouldn't want to get in on the easy-street, assuming they can deal with the above. Post with your main, like a BOSS! |
Alavaria Fera
GoonWaffe
6194
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Posted - 2014.06.28 03:27:00 -
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Boat is a benefit. ^^ Delicious goon ((tech nerf, siphon, drone assist, supercap)) tears.
Taking a wrecking ball to the futile hopes and broken dreams of skillless blobbers. |
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Sentamon
Imperial Academy Amarr Empire
1929
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Posted - 2014.06.28 03:42:00 -
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Alavaria Fera wrote:Inxentas Ultramar wrote:Part of our hostility towards null entities is off course based on their meddling in lowsec (aka claiming all profitable moons, every attemt to go past RF = titan drop) in predictable fashion Nothing like content in lowsec
And .... the great content destroyers have spoken.
~ Professional Forum Alt -á~ |
Oxide Ammar
143
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Posted - 2014.06.28 06:44:00 -
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Mainly CTAs, IRL Job + bashing structures till next day morning isn't thing for me and clearly I can't leave in the middle of the fight because I have meeting next day. That leaves for me doing plexes and ratting solo which both will be seen as act of leeching in alliance and doing nothing to help them. I tried nullsec for 4 months and I booted myself when I found myself in no use to my alliance and returned back to hisec.
My statement doesn't differ from rest of ppl here, that should gives CCP and alliances an insight of why we are piling in hisec. Lady Areola Fappington: -áSolo PVP isn't dead!-á You just need to make sure you have your booster, remote rep, cyno, and emergency Falcon alts logged in and ready before you do any solo PVPing. |
Ellon JTC
Jovian Labs Jovian Enterprises
41
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Posted - 2014.06.28 06:46:00 -
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Saraki Ishikela wrote:So I was talking with a few friends today that play the game. We're all in different corps and have different play styles. One is a High Sec Carebear, I prefer low sec exploration etc.
I'm certainly not risk averse and my friend asked me why I've never ventured into null sec. And to me it's the logistics. I'm terrified of the process of buying ships, modules, skill books easily and quickly. I certainly don't mind losing ships but I want to know I can replace them easily and keep playing.
To me having to wait a few days to buy a new ship or resupply seems really unappealing depending on your alliances logistics infrastructure. Or having to pay Black Frog 100m+ to jump supplies to you, and what if they can't dock at your station. It all seems like a nightmare and is very prohibitive to game play.
For what is supposed to be the aspiration for most players to get to, it seems very counter intuitive to the newer player. I don't have market alts, or multiple accounts or a logistics alt etc.
I was just wondering how unfounded is my concern?
ALSO What are other reasons that YOU may not have gone to Null Sec etc.
lack of market activity going on down there |
Christus Estnatus Hemanseh
Imperial Academy Amarr Empire
7
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Posted - 2014.06.28 07:04:00 -
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Oxide Ammar wrote:Mainly CTAs, IRL Job + bashing structures till next day morning isn't thing for me and clearly I can't leave in the middle of the fight because I have meeting next day. That leaves for me doing plexes and ratting solo which both will be seen as act of leeching in alliance and doing nothing to help them. I tried nullsec for 4 months and I booted myself when I found myself in no use to my alliance and returned back to hisec.
My statement doesn't differ from rest of ppl here, that should gives CCP and alliances an insight of why we are piling in hisec.
Most people who don't go to nullsec have good sound reasons to do so. This is what turns the Rubicon plan into such a short sighted endeavour: players are not going to chase the New Space unless they can go there from where they are now. Even wormholers have a clear risk/reward balance where "risk" is the key factor on why they stay where they stay.
Any attempt to shape the demographics of the game so it suits the development plans, rather than the opposite, is bound to failure.
I don't care if the nullsec gates lead to a promised land with untold richess and rainbow pooping unicorns. I will never go to nullsec, for no reason. Having crowdfunded both Elite Dangerous and Star Citizen, you could bet that my future is not about giving money to CCP unless I get a reason to pay them for my chosen way of playing EVE.
And if they bet that they can give the short end of the stick to non-nullseccers and still have a company in 2016, their employees have all my sympathies... |
baltec1
Bat Country Goonswarm Federation
12157
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Posted - 2014.06.28 07:15:00 -
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Anabella Rella wrote:
This as well as not wanting to be just another nameless cog in the big "machine".
So don't be a nameless cog. Join Bat Country today and defend the Glorious Socialist Dictatorship |
Tauranon
Weeesearch Greater Western Co-Prosperity Sphere
1061
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Posted - 2014.06.28 07:27:00 -
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Oxide Ammar wrote:Mainly CTAs, IRL Job + bashing structures till next day morning isn't thing for me and clearly I can't leave in the middle of the fight because I have meeting next day. That leaves for me doing plexes and ratting solo which both will be seen as act of leeching in alliance and doing nothing to help them. I tried nullsec for 4 months and I booted myself when I found myself in no use to my alliance and returned back to hisec.
My statement doesn't differ from rest of ppl here, that should gives CCP and alliances an insight of why we are piling in hisec.
Goes to show how different the perspective to a holder alliance to a renter corp is.
(a) someone else ratting helps keep my military index up, so its useful. (b) don't have CTAs. We do hunt interlopers in our constellation as a multi corp endeavor, but that's because some of us like doing it. (c) the only structures I've shot are bubbles, siphons, depots and the odd anchored container I've laboriously d-scanned myself ontop of.
not really certain why the average line member of a renting corp would care about the rent, if its any sort of sizeable corp, its going to pay rent via bounty taxes, which mightn't be much different to a holder corp anyway.
Also there are 10 REGIONS of renter corps, its not like you can't shop around to find yourself a good deal with your favourite rat type and favourable conditions.
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Alavaria Fera
GoonWaffe
6194
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Posted - 2014.06.28 07:37:00 -
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I wonder how many of the rental corps actually have lower tax rates on ratting than the one I pay for the mittani's spacesocalistregime ^^ Delicious goon ((tech nerf, siphon, drone assist, supercap)) tears.
Taking a wrecking ball to the futile hopes and broken dreams of skillless blobbers. |
Riot Girl
You'll Cowards Don't Even Smoke Crack
3310
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Posted - 2014.06.28 08:43:00 -
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I used to live in nullsec when I was in an alliance called The Initiative. I became very frustrated with the leadership of that alliance and so I left them and said enjoy living in NPC space and tending to your crappy moons because it was BORING!
Oh god. |
Faenir Antollare
University of Caille Gallente Federation
298
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Posted - 2014.06.28 08:44:00 -
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An alt of mine, quietly and discreetly going about his solo existence, he like me is a very shy guy :), had a chance meeting/quick chat with some Peep in local he met whilst hunting Mordu and was invited to his "renter corp`s public chat".
Right from the off the impression I had was that I was in the company of some decent folk, chat was ncie, entertaining and quite chillaxed, quite unlike the NPC corp chats I thought was the norm. Next day (had kept the chat active) I was, after a chit-chat, invited to the renter corp by a Peep I had not yet met and though I was immediately nervous of him as he was a Gewn for heavens sake! he was affable courteous and most importantly (to me) respectful.
Now my alt lives in null, a whole new world for me and one that does highlight my own deficiencies as a former solo and still noob player, yet I get both great advice and support from my corp, now I can get on "comms" (had never ever used a mic previously in a game and am anything other than a great conversationalist) and know that Peeps are there for me, through their teachings I am learning to make enough isk to further my own enjoyment and am also learning to be self sufficient in doing so, no more bulk plex orders here. Regarding PvP I have so so much to learn it is actually quite embarrassing but again I now have Peeps that will both involve me and even indulge me yet other than gentle banter and things that have to be said don't ridicule me for my short comings.
Life is good there and I am starting to enjoy it so very much, a whole new Eve even, my honest and genuine advice to amybody thinking about taking the plunge in going to null would be to jump in and get stuck in, there is, unfortunately a heck of a lot of misinformation on these boards but unless you actually get out there and experience Null life for yourself you will for ever be in the dark.
Les
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Riot Girl
You'll Cowards Don't Even Smoke Crack
3310
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Posted - 2014.06.28 08:45:00 -
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We could have gone to war in Fountain and taken back Querious, instead we moved to stain. **** The Initiative. Oh god. |
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Garresh
Team Chicken and Waffles
306
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Posted - 2014.06.28 08:58:00 -
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Inxentas Ultramar wrote:Maybe I was a bit negative in my previous post, and didn't mention that another reason not to want to make this move again is the abundance of healthy alternatives. Lowsec has been massively buffed over the last few years in terns of income probability and right now, I can wholeheartedly say I can make more ISK/Hr in lowsec then I can in nullsec (with my SP which is mainly PVP oriented anyway).
Isn't it crafty how CCP tried to cover many playstyles in their MMO? Carebear, roguelike, conquest... it's up to you how you play. I enjoy video games and I might go as far as to call myself a hardcore gamer, but I don't have any incentive to set alarm clocks for a video game. It's fine to leave nullsec to the empire builders that have the time, you don't have to get involved in any of that.
I apologize if any previous comments sounded hostile on a personal level. I recently had a conversation with a corpmate about emergent gameplay, and how it was cool our insignificant corporation almost reached it's 2nd birthday and was still content setting the tone in a lowsec area. It warms my heart to see a group of people sharing their knowledge and most of all, a common philosophy and respect for one another. We've been in nullsec together and hated it. Part of our hostility towards null entities is off course based on their meddling in lowsec (aka claiming all profitable moons, every attemt to go past RF = titan drop) in predictable fashion, but also a difference in philosophy and chances to commit time (the latter I blame mostly on CCP, not the sov owners).
I'd also like to stress that getting involved in politics is a matter of opening your mouth on Teamspeak. This has no bearing on what type of space your group enjoys, but your willingness to interact and your actual social skills.
Just out of curiosity, whats that new source of lowsec income? Got back from hiatus recently and most of my initial fundraising for a pvp binge has been in null. It seemed to me the lowsec exploration market has crashed, and there were complaints on fw income. This Space Intentionally Left Blank |
Sykaotic
Minmatar Brotherhood
12
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Posted - 2014.06.28 09:20:00 -
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Been there done that.... extremely boring + they come to me i.e. hot drop a Titan on my cruiser in low sec.
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Doc Severide
Caldari Provisions Caldari State
56
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Posted - 2014.06.28 10:26:00 -
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I'd luv to go back to Null. But there is too much hassle to try to get into a corp... |
Obunagawe
370
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Posted - 2014.06.28 11:27:00 -
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I don't want to be a feudal serf. |
baltec1
Bat Country Goonswarm Federation
12157
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Posted - 2014.06.28 11:36:00 -
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Obunagawe wrote:I don't want to be a feudal serf.
So don't be. Join Bat Country today and defend the Glorious Socialist Dictatorship |
Jawls Rohn
Neon Incorporated 404 Alliance Not Found
1
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Posted - 2014.06.28 11:55:00 -
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Currently live in NPC Null. I like it there.
Wouldn't want to move to Sov Null as I'm not a fan of the station mechanics. I like being able to dock in any station I choose (couldn't do Provi as wouldn't live by NRDS).
Also like the easy route I've got back to hisec for buying ships etc, so I'm not wholly beholden on local markets or corp level logistics. |
Bael Malefic
Center for Advanced Studies Gallente Federation
102
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Posted - 2014.06.28 12:08:00 -
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Jawls Rohn wrote:Currently live in NPC Null. I like it there.
Wouldn't want to move to Sov Null as I'm not a fan of the station mechanics. I like being able to dock in any station I choose (couldn't do Provi as wouldn't live by NRDS).
Also like the easy route I've got back to hisec for buying ships etc, so I'm not wholly beholden on local markets or corp level logistics.
I am in the same boat. The negative is NPC null being crap as far as ISK earning. The positives are freedom to play as casually/occasionally as I like is no need to pay homage/rent so a bunch of wannabe internet space tyrants.
There's actually plenty of PVP opportunities in Provi even when you abide by NRDS. Just roam the pipes with the KOS checker open in another window and listen to intel channels. Usually plenty of folks to shoot at if that's your thing. |
rogue Aldebaran
Rogue Fleet
0
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Posted - 2014.06.28 12:16:00 -
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Because null sec "sov transfer" wars are boring! |
Arkady Romanov
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
222
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Posted - 2014.06.28 12:34:00 -
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rogue Aldebaran wrote:Because null sec "sov transfer" wars are boring!
Infinitely better than grinding them all. |
Black Panpher
Ganja Inc
1695
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Posted - 2014.06.28 12:45:00 -
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Drag bubbles. |
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