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Antillie Sa'Kan
Forging Industries Silent Infinity
511
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Posted - 2014.07.02 22:52:00 -
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Marcus Walkuris wrote:Imho, that is a very EFT-stance. Drones are now a huge SP sink, and have increased micromanaging needs. In fact this micromanaging paired with the imho "stupid" long cycle time of "omni directional tracking link" add up to a hefty applied dps loss. I think you're just talking about this last change, but with the other changes to drone boats which can't be ignored... Huge nerf. How about some numbers from another thread on drones:
Arronicus wrote:Omnathious Deninard wrote:Sentry drones are getting nerfed in Kronos, nuff said. Having tested out my ishtar fleet that I run anomalies with on the test server to test their performance: Lol. No, they aren't. Curator I - +15% tracking, -50% falloff, +18.15% damage Warden I - +40% falloff, +12% damage Garde I - +50% falloff, +2% damage Bouncer I - +60% tracking, -12.5% optimal, +14.3% falloff, +2.86% damage Curator II - +15% tracking, -50% falloff, +8.31% damage Warden II - +40% falloff, +2.67% damage Garde II - +50% falloff, -6.5% damage Bouncer II - +60% tracking, -12.5% optimal, +14.3% falloff, -5.71% damage Gardes and bouncers are losing a little bit of damage, but gaining FAR better damage application Curators are losing some un-used falloff, and getting a ton of tracking and damge Wardens are just straight up getting buffed. Whatever you are smoking, you may want to lay off a bit.
I have yet to have to really micro manage my drones and I never feel a need to change the scripts in my tracking links. Drone boats are fine. The nerf to drone assist was a big one, but a justified one. For small scale operations though, drones are better than they have ever been. |
Chris Winter
Zephyr Corp V.A.S.T.
455
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Posted - 2014.07.02 23:51:00 -
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Antillie Sa'Kan wrote:Marcus Walkuris wrote:Imho, that is a very EFT-stance. Drones are now a huge SP sink, and have increased micromanaging needs. In fact this micromanaging paired with the imho "stupid" long cycle time of "omni directional tracking link" add up to a hefty applied dps loss. I think you're just talking about this last change, but with the other changes to drone boats which can't be ignored... Huge nerf. How about some numbers from another thread on drones: Arronicus wrote:Omnathious Deninard wrote:Sentry drones are getting nerfed in Kronos, nuff said. Having tested out my ishtar fleet that I run anomalies with on the test server to test their performance: Lol. No, they aren't. Curator I - +15% tracking, -50% falloff, +18.15% damage Warden I - +40% falloff, +12% damage Garde I - +50% falloff, +2% damage Bouncer I - +60% tracking, -12.5% optimal, +14.3% falloff, +2.86% damage Curator II - +15% tracking, -50% falloff, +8.31% damage Warden II - +40% falloff, +2.67% damage Garde II - +50% falloff, -6.5% damage Bouncer II - +60% tracking, -12.5% optimal, +14.3% falloff, -5.71% damage Gardes and bouncers are losing a little bit of damage, but gaining FAR better damage application Curators are losing some un-used falloff, and getting a ton of tracking and damge Wardens are just straight up getting buffed. Whatever you are smoking, you may want to lay off a bit. I have yet to have to really micro manage my drones and I never feel a need to change the scripts in my tracking links. Drone boats are fine. The nerf to drone assist was a big one, but a justified one. For small scale operations though, drones are better than they have ever been. I disagree with the points about Curators. Since falloff is what primarily gets buffed by the omnis, the curator's tiny falloff makes for a fairly narrow engagement range where they're better than Gardes before you're better off switching to Bouncers/Wardens. They used to be a decent LR option for things that were weak to EM, but with the tiny falloff notsomuch anymore. |
Triakis Cadelanne
Nova Tech Inc.
4
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Posted - 2014.07.03 01:08:00 -
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Vargur is definitly the best. If you're looking for a cheaper solution that can lead you to the Vargur, then you might want to buy a Maelstrom. |
Bala Subramanian
Imperial Shipment Amarr Empire
6
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Posted - 2014.07.03 10:55:00 -
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Apart from BS, is Tengu good for lvl 4 missions ? |
Hasikan Miallok
Republic University Minmatar Republic
901
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Posted - 2014.07.03 11:52:00 -
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Bala Subramanian wrote:Apart from BS, is Tengu good for lvl 4 missions ?
Well obviously.
But why use a T3 when a cheaper T1 Battleship does the job quicker with no risk of SP loss if you get disconnected?
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Mina Sebiestar
Mactabilis Simplex Cursus
687
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Posted - 2014.07.04 06:57:00 -
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marauders they can tank head on impact with a planet and have over 9000 dps....seriously http://i.imgur.com/1N37t.jpg
http://i.imgur.com/KTjFEt6.jpg I dont always fly stabber but when i do...
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Barton Breau
University of Caille Gallente Federation
56
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Posted - 2014.07.04 08:28:00 -
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Someone please explain to me how the difference 0.012 and 0.019 rad/s or 12 and 18 km translates into FAR BETTER damage application.
I mean, its like they would lower the pg requirement on PULSE lasers to justify a damage nerf...
Spreadsheet development. |
Hakaari Inkuran
State War Academy Caldari State
94
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Posted - 2014.07.04 12:02:00 -
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Because your guns are already at a disadvantage shooting a small target due to the way signature and gun resolution interact. You need MUCH better tracking than your target's angular velocity in order to make up for this. |
Antillie Sa'Kan
Forging Industries Silent Infinity
511
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Posted - 2014.07.04 12:38:00 -
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Chris Winter wrote:I disagree with the points about Curators. Since falloff is what primarily gets buffed by the omnis, the curator's tiny falloff makes for a fairly narrow engagement range where they're better than Gardes before you're better off switching to Bouncers/Wardens. They used to be a decent LR option for things that were weak to EM, but with the tiny falloff notsomuch anymore. I have never needed to use the falloff on Curators ratting out in Providence. But I suppose it could be an issue if you are not using a range bonused hull like the Dominix or Ishtar. |
Barton Breau
University of Caille Gallente Federation
56
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Posted - 2014.07.04 13:29:00 -
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Hakaari Inkuran wrote:Because your guns are already at a disadvantage shooting a small target due to the way signature and gun resolution interact. You need MUCH better tracking than your target's angular velocity in order to make up for this.
Well, thanks for explaining my point why this is not really much better. |
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Hasikan Miallok
Republic University Minmatar Republic
913
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Posted - 2014.07.05 13:02:00 -
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Antillie Sa'Kan wrote:Chris Winter wrote:I disagree with the points about Curators. Since falloff is what primarily gets buffed by the omnis, the curator's tiny falloff makes for a fairly narrow engagement range where they're better than Gardes before you're better off switching to Bouncers/Wardens. They used to be a decent LR option for things that were weak to EM, but with the tiny falloff notsomuch anymore. I have never needed to use the falloff on Curators ratting out in Providence. But I suppose it could be an issue if you are not using a range bonused hull like the Dominix or Ishtar.
The new cruise rattler will often have the sentries running in falloff. Though if you fit all 5 launchers drone control range becomes more of an issue than optimal |
Doggy Dogwoofwoof
The Eleusinian The Imicus Contract
36
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Posted - 2014.07.05 17:58:00 -
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Hasikan Miallok wrote:Antillie Sa'Kan wrote:Chris Winter wrote:I disagree with the points about Curators. Since falloff is what primarily gets buffed by the omnis, the curator's tiny falloff makes for a fairly narrow engagement range where they're better than Gardes before you're better off switching to Bouncers/Wardens. They used to be a decent LR option for things that were weak to EM, but with the tiny falloff notsomuch anymore. I have never needed to use the falloff on Curators ratting out in Providence. But I suppose it could be an issue if you are not using a range bonused hull like the Dominix or Ishtar. The new cruise rattler will often have the sentries running in falloff. Though if you fit all 5 launchers drone control range becomes more of an issue than optimal Not really, Optimal of Curators is 70km with 2 Omni range scripts |
Lar Tadaruwa
State War Academy Caldari State
45
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Posted - 2014.07.05 19:09:00 -
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My Corp is small and I will get a second and subsequent one soon to start an Alliance.
But, I got new Sentry Drones in a Dominix. I don't know which Battleship is best or which Empire Faction or Pirate Faction since I didn't have time to test.
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