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Termir Amelana
CYBER SMERCH Space Marines.
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Posted - 2014.06.28 09:13:00 -
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So, after this new minigame was presented, scanning is dead for solo players. Ship has to stay decloaked for a much longer time, making ganks incredibly easy(you can only get away if gankers are your friends, which is huge advantage for nullsec corps). Thank you CCP for ruining another way of isk-making, players appreciate this a lot. |
Kayagainen Iwalula
Etsala Trading Company
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Posted - 2014.06.28 09:37:00 -
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Erm, what? I'm a solo player and have no problems with hacking data and relic sites in null. It's rather easy if you just use WH's to get to a system deep in null space, get around the gatecamps and wind up in a usually-empty system. |
Mr Chili Palmer
InterSun Freelance Ishuk-Raata Enforcement Directive
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Posted - 2014.06.28 11:32:00 -
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i have yet to come across a decent loot drop in relic/data sites. Do decent drops actuallu exist? |
Bland Inquisitor
Ministry of War Amarr Empire
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Posted - 2014.06.28 11:35:00 -
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Termir Amelana wrote:So, after this new minigame was presented, scanning is dead for solo players. Ship has to stay decloaked for a much longer time, making ganks incredibly easy(you can only get away if gankers are your friends, which is huge advantage for nullsec corps). Thank you CCP for ruining another way of isk-making, players appreciate this a lot.
So you want to make easy isk? |
Kaea Astridsson
Yggdrasil Woodchoppers Noir. Mercenary Group
70
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Posted - 2014.06.28 13:41:00 -
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If "ganking" explorers is so easy why don't start doing that instead? Getting not only the loot but a possibly good kill mail. Or you know, don't hang around if you cannot account for everyone in local. |
Tauranon
Weeesearch Greater Western Co-Prosperity Sphere
1061
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Posted - 2014.06.28 14:41:00 -
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Termir Amelana wrote:So, after this new minigame was presented, scanning is dead for solo players. Ship has to stay decloaked for a much longer time, making ganks incredibly easy(you can only get away if gankers are your friends, which is huge advantage for nullsec corps). Thank you CCP for ruining another way of isk-making, players appreciate this a lot.
Step 1 - fly until you find an empty system. Congratulations you can hack without getting ganked.
Step 2 - can't find an empty system, but are in lowsec. Go directly to station and fit 3 stabs. Warp out when you see someone.
Step 3 - in nullsec where you can't refit all stabs and system not empty anywhere nearby ? Start hacking. Target a celestial. Make 1 hacking move at a time. Review d-scan and overview between hacking moves. if something appears, warp immediately to targeted celestial with warp key and prepare to immediately warp to safe. Very few opponents will be prepared for that - ie if you die doing that, congratulations you probably pulled a top 100 pvper who is always 2 moves ahead of everyone else. You would likely have gotten away from an amateur like me, who hasn't really thought past approach + mwd + guns + scrambler = boom.
I have lost a ship hacking because of fumbling around trying to directly warp to a safe from a right click, but that's my bad, and not the games, and I couldn't possibly run to the forums to complain about it.
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Termir Amelana
CYBER SMERCH Space Marines.
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Posted - 2014.06.28 15:34:00 -
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So, according to posts above, for safe scanning I should(choose one): 1.Empty system(no guarantees that empty system will have any relic/data sites) 2.Warp stabs, which will cause me to lock containers for almost an eternity. Also targeting range penalty => inability to cargoscan containers from afar, which is a must because container can be empty or have less then 1 mil worth of loot. Also doesn't save from cloaky dictors.
Also remember that pre-aligning on smth won't work because of ridiculously short range of analyzers. Also remember that sites' profit isn't really high and is not stable at all. Also remember that hacking became longer than before, increasing risk(staying decloaked in site for longer time) and decreasing isk/hour.
Thus, scanning seems pretty dead for me. Too much risk, effort and time spent for too low profit. |
Termir Amelana
CYBER SMERCH Space Marines.
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Posted - 2014.06.28 15:37:00 -
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Tauranon
Weeesearch Greater Western Co-Prosperity Sphere
1061
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Posted - 2014.06.28 16:32:00 -
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Termir Amelana wrote:So, according to posts above, for safe scanning I should(choose one): 1.Empty system(no guarantees that empty system will have any relic/data sites) 2.Warp stabs, which will cause me to lock containers for almost an eternity. Also targeting range penalty => inability to cargoscan containers from afar, which is a must because container can be empty or have less then 1 mil worth of loot. Also doesn't save from cloaky dictors.
You are an explorer, you should REMEMBER where there are empty systems where multiple signatures tend to stack up. That is in fact a skill, and a skill I cultivated when I lived in solitude (hint : 1 part of solitude was a lot better than the other parts).
You can lock multiple containers at once, which means that the delay in locking them due to stabs pertains to the first hack in a site only. They won't save you from a tornado either, but surely you can figure out if there is a tornado present.
Quote: Also remember that pre-aligning on smth won't work because of ridiculously short range of analyzers.
You are using a frigate. It will warp in the combined decloak delay/locking time of a cloaked ship uncloaking on you, so long as you don't fumble around making a decision about where you will warp to. Just press the warp key. If you try and right click, you will eventually fail and get locked.
Even if you do die, who cares, you were in a frigate. Its not the end of the world.
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Also remember that sites' profit isn't really high and is not stable at all. Also remember that hacking became longer than before, increasing risk(staying decloaked in site for longer time) and decreasing isk/hour.
I pull more than 25m per site on average from a relic from gurista null in ~10 minutes, including using a pitiful AB to get between the cans in the site, and very, very occasionally I pull a tower bpc. Data is less, but whatever. If a signature spawns, it is worth me warping to my pos, putting my ratter away, and yanking out a helios to check what it is, and do it if its a data or relic. I'd imagine Sansha null is better than gurista null.
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Thus, scanning seems pretty dead for me. Too much risk, effort and time spent for too low profit.
it is something that can be done anywhere in the universe with an imicus and a few weeks training. It comfortably out earns running L1 missions with the same boat and SP, has a moderate probability of delivering you a very valuable item like a tower bpc, which missions do not at all, and its more fun to outsmart other players than it is to run missions.
You may not be cut out to be an explorer, but I can assure you its fine.
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Mnemosyne Gloob
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Posted - 2014.06.28 21:08:00 -
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lol. i wonder how OP would ramble and rant about the old style radars/mags.
risk vs. reward my ass in your little frigate. |
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Mira Chieve
The Chosen 0nes DARKNESS.
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Posted - 2014.06.29 10:24:00 -
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Orbit the cans at 4km when hacking, if anything pops up cloak and warp. |
Moth Eisig
Soliloquy Against Death
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Posted - 2014.06.30 14:12:00 -
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Tauranon wrote:Termir Amelana wrote:So, after this new minigame was presented, scanning is dead for solo players. Ship has to stay decloaked for a much longer time, making ganks incredibly easy(you can only get away if gankers are your friends, which is huge advantage for nullsec corps). Thank you CCP for ruining another way of isk-making, players appreciate this a lot. Step 3 - in nullsec where you can't refit all stabs and system not empty anywhere nearby ? Start hacking. Target a celestial. Make 1 hacking move at a time. Review d-scan and overview between hacking moves. if something appears, warp immediately to targeted celestial with warp key and prepare to immediately warp to safe. Very few opponents will be prepared for that - ie if you die doing that, congratulations you probably pulled a top 100 pvper who is always 2 moves ahead of everyone else. You would likely have gotten away from an amateur like me, who hasn't really thought past approach + mwd + guns + scrambler = boom.
In some areas even this won't work. There are a few places I don't really go anymore because the locals have the sites pre-scanned I think with bookmarks at >150k so they can warp there and then warp to whatever can you're at. And then they do that with a stealth bomber, so you get no warning on dscan at all, and they can be on you very quickly after entering system. The only solution in those places is to not hack in systems that aren't empty. In my experience, you're also more likely to get actively chased down across multiple systems when in Russian space than in areas controlled by Westerners. |
Koz Katral
Sanctuary of Shadows Honorable Third Party
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Posted - 2014.06.30 15:16:00 -
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Yes, you are indeed correct - people in eve will try to blow up your spaceship. |
Julius Priscus
320
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Posted - 2014.06.30 15:52:00 -
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warp to a ss and start scanning.. |
Daniel Plain
Science and Trade Institute Caldari State
2036
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Posted - 2014.06.30 18:02:00 -
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i so hope this is a troll thread...
"I don't troll, I just give overly blunt responses that annoy people who are wrong but don't want to admit it. It's not my fault that people have sensitive feelings" -MXZF |
SFM Hobb3s
Wrecking Shots Black Legion.
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Posted - 2014.06.30 18:37:00 -
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Confirming the gateway to Nullsec is a van marked 'free candy'. You WILL get touched in bad places. |
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