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Marsha Mallow
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Posted - 2014.07.02 00:23:00 -
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Reaver Glitterstim wrote:My brother exclusively makes female characters that he finds sexually appealing but not to get off on them, rather, because he only feels comfortable in an environment where sexy women feel free to frolick naked. It's more of a response to an oppressive society than to sexual lusts. I'm not sure women place as much emphasis on visuals for arousal as men do, hence the issue (although I can only speak from a hetero viewpoint here). No offence, but male legs in general do nothing for me. I'm not even inclined to leer at the most obvious body part if it's attached to an idiot. Although I read this a few days ago, and not too sure how to take it. Is the male body undervalued? Is it wise to counter female body obsession by promoting male body obsession? Undecided.
Society itself is hypersexualised regarding the female form, to the point it's hard to tell who is the responsible or how to address it as so many women themselves perpetuate it. Which is understandable given we're subjected to the same type of media conditioning. And it's not as if some of us aren't vain to an irrational degree, again partly through social expectations.
I haven't watched the videos linked but the comments above indicate the gist. In all honesty, whilst I think it's something to acknowledge and be aware of I'm not sure how productive it is for feminists to focus on the gaming industry as a target. It doesn't address the underlying issue which is to do with objectification and exploitation. Society won't change by attacking male dominated arenas in the first place, although having rational discussions about it is probably useful. I'd rather see a concerted campaign at MTV, which appears to me to be far more insidious. I know a few women with young daughters who have blocked it because of how raunchy, and frankly inappropriate, it's become. TO THE RIPARDMOBILE! |
Commissar Kate
Team Evil
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Posted - 2014.07.02 00:37:00 -
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Reaver Glitterstim wrote: would have blended in with you gals then. I always liked playing with a female toon in full plate armor with a huge shield. There's something awe-inspiring about a shield that's as big as the character. Then again I actually did play this way in World of Warcraft back in the day. I told everyone I was a woman in real life (if they actually asked) and nobody suspected I wasn't telling the truth. Maybe I have a girly play style. I was once asked by a corpmate in EVE if I was a girl playing with a male toon. He wasn't even kidding, he was convinced I had to be a girl. I had to get on vent to prove I wasn't--not that I was complaining. I like it when people can't tell my sex in a game. http://www.oafe.net/yo/art/mosmmfaora3.jpgProof that it is possible to combine sturdy, protective, flexible, sexy, and elegant in a body armor for women.
Thats pretty funny because I have had people think I was a girl in Eve several times in the past. Don't know if its the way I type or the way my avatar looks. I always try to keep it classy and fabulous.
People, who talk, don't know. People, who know, don't talk.
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Antihrist Pripravnik
T-AFK and counting
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Posted - 2014.07.02 00:49:00 -
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Reaver Glitterstim wrote: Third wave feminism, which is modern feminism and is largely ignored, is a passive feminist movement centered on delivering the idea to all men and women that neither sex deserves special treatment over the other in any case. Modern feminism isn't about fighting men. Men aren't the enemy. Human ignorance is the enemy, and both men and women are paying for that ignorance. Modern feminism is about uniting the sexes for mutual benefit. I very much support this movement and would definitely consider myself to be a part of it.
The fundamental difference between humanism and feminism is that feminism divides humanity into groups and fights for rights of one of them, while humanism treats every human being equally (in general sense of the word). Feminists frequently come to the same conclusion at least once in their lifetime, but many either choose to ignore this or run deeper, into hate of men, thus becoming direct victims of their own ideology.
I consider myself a humanist and believe that physical properties of human beings should not be used to separate humanity into superior and inferior groups. Even physical disabilities should not be used to form inferior groups. Stephen Hawking is the prime example of this. 1 bil-30 days-5% loan available - collateral required: https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=352279 |
Reaver Glitterstim
Dromedaworks inc Test Alliance Please Ignore
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Posted - 2014.07.02 01:00:00 -
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Feminism is a form of humanism characterized by both a desire for gender equality and a realization that women are often treated in an inferior way. Modern feminism is seeing more and more that in some situations men are treated in an inferior way. The aim is to get everyone treating everyone else equally regardless of sex or gender.
You're quite wrong about feminism. Please research and reconsider.
Marsha, it is very common for a person's personality to influence how attractive they are to others. I think both straight men and straight women care equally as much about personality in a prospective mate, but men likely spend less time considering it because they tend to be more satisfied with the personalities most women have, while women are much more likely to be dissatisfied with the personalities men have. I think it's just a reaction to the way people turn out after being raised by this culture.
I bet you'd enjoy those manflesh images a lot more if they came with descriptions of what the guy does in his spare time, and what his hobbies are. Fit a warfare link to your tech 1 battlecruiser. Train Wing Commander. Get in the Squad Commander or Wing Commander position. Your fleets will be superior to everyone else's. (had this sig BEFORE Odyssey BC rebalance) "What if [climate change is] a big hoax and we create a better world for nothing?" -comic on Greenmonk |
Antihrist Pripravnik
T-AFK and counting
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Posted - 2014.07.02 10:23:00 -
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Reaver Glitterstim wrote:Feminism is a form of humanism characterized by both a desire for gender equality and a realization that women are often treated in an inferior way. Modern feminism is seeing more and more that in some situations men are treated in an inferior way. The aim is to get everyone treating everyone else equally regardless of sex or gender.
You're quite wrong about feminism. Please research and reconsider.
One of my friends is an active feminist involved in several of my country's feminist organizations and projects. She majored Gender issues at Faculty of Political Sciences (sorry, don't know how to translate that, so I just wrote it as it's called here). Me being interested in sociology in general, I had a privilege of discussing gender issues with her and her friends and colleagues on several occasions.
However, I might note that I'm from Serbia, where so called "Balkan (macho) mentality" is still very dominant and where gender inequality is still (incomparably) more severe than in developed countries, so I might talk about it from this perspective. What I have noticed is that the more gender issues there are, the more feminism tends to bend towards dividing people to men and women.
Although oppression happens to every person, especially in developing countries with high levels of corruption, there still seems to be a trend to lead the fight for rights in separate groups dividing the general population. This is interesting, especially when you consider that the predominant way of keeping the power has always been "divide and conquer". That way of keeping power has been successful and will always be because if you divide people into interest groups, the individual groups: - have considerably less power than the whole population; - create an environment where participants of one group are so preoccupied with problems of their group that they either don't see problems of other groups or simply don't have time or energy to dedicate to resolving problems of a different group;
The more severe oppression is, the more problems for individual groups exist and that means groups are more dedicated to themselves than to resolving issues in bigger picture. It also produces more radical elements within groups and radical elements are dangerous for the group itself, since they are not fighting any more for interests of the general population but rather for their own causes. This creates an energy flow guided in the wrong direction, since more often than not, radical elements tend to dedicate more time and energy on fighting the "other" group than fighting the system where the problem started in the first place. After all, this is the same principle that is used to start wars.
I agree that in essence feminism is a form of humanism, but I'm not sure that we need to divide humanism into subsections and groups that support those subsections if we are ever going to defeat "divide and conquer" method. 1 bil-30 days-5% loan available - collateral required: https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=352279 |
Reaver Glitterstim
Dromedaworks inc Test Alliance Please Ignore
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Posted - 2014.07.02 11:17:00 -
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You're right that a lot of groups divide each other up, even when they are trying to unite people. But that's a human fault that stems from instinct and lack of experience, and is not a flaw in, or even a feature of, feminism. Fit a warfare link to your tech 1 battlecruiser. Train Wing Commander. Get in the Squad Commander or Wing Commander position. Your fleets will be superior to everyone else's. (had this sig BEFORE Odyssey BC rebalance) "What if [climate change is] a big hoax and we create a better world for nothing?" -comic on Greenmonk |
Antihrist Pripravnik
T-AFK and counting
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Posted - 2014.07.02 11:27:00 -
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Reaver Glitterstim wrote:But that's a human fault that stems from instinct and lack of experience, and is not a flaw in, or even a feature of, feminism.
This couldn't be more true 1 bil-30 days-5% loan available - collateral required: https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=352279 |
Solecist Project
Deeper Feelings Inc.
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Posted - 2014.07.02 11:31:00 -
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Did someone call? My current portrait: http://imgur.com/a/q6zRU#10 Sol.freeform: http://imgur.com/a/eFlYD Hey CCP fix your server please! :p
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Solecist Project
Deeper Feelings Inc.
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Posted - 2014.07.02 12:04:00 -
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Reaver Glitterstim wrote:You're right that a lot of groups divide each other up, even when they are trying to unite people. But that's a human fault that stems from instinct and lack of experience, and is not a flaw in, or even a feature of, feminism. Too superficial.
Instinct becomes a problem when the mind following it is unable to realize itself. The motivation behind the action. The reasoning is irrelevant, because the reasoning of the unaware always becomes screwed towards the desired.
What you're saying is like saying that sugar is bad for teeth, which it isn't.
Lack of experience... I agree, though.
Anyhow, this threads content is pretty silly. I don't fall into a, b or c. Try more options.
This thread is just your ego bashing about the ego bashing of some other ego. At least that's what I see and there isn't much else to see.
Let me conclude reality for you:
Most humans, especially those in more "civilized" regions are more or less mindless zombies. Despite the gigantic knowledge available to raise self awareness, self understanding, about misconceptions in regards to how ignorant most people communicate, or even knowledge about this ignorance ...
There is no school out there that teaches people how to see reality (incl themselves) in a way that enables them to deal with it in an analytic, practical way, void from idiotic patterned ego mindlessness that clouds reasoning.
Or, in other worlds: How not to turn into a bitter, sad being that supresses anger and desires because nobody tozght him to actually enjoy life in an honest, fulfilling way instead of hunting everlasting fun, which is an illusion anyway.
Instead, most people run on instincts mostly seeking gratification, satisfaction and shallow joys from the outside world, because they either forgot or never learned how to feel, understand and comprehend the inner one. Feelings.
Which brings me to you.
This thread.
Why did you make it?
What's the point exactly? My current portrait: http://imgur.com/a/q6zRU#10 Sol.freeform: http://imgur.com/a/eFlYD Hey CCP fix your server please! :p
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Jamwara DelCalicoe Ashley
Lords.Of.Midnight The Devil's Warrior Alliance
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Posted - 2014.07.02 21:36:00 -
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Reaver Glitterstim wrote:Jamwara DelCalicoe Ashley wrote:Feminists lack ambition. It is a common misconception that retaliation is a decent course toward achieving freedom from oppression. Sometimes, in extreme cases, the best methods to get your message out are violent, but even then it is not violence that carries the message but merely it is an unfortunate side effect of the innately nonviolent actions which do get your message out, and the violence stems only from the reaction to the message or action. Feminism has come a long way in getting equal treatment for women. There are three "waves" of feminism which are each characterized by an individual set of goals and approaches which have changed over time due to the realization by social experts of what needed to happen to further the feminist ideal. Third wave feminism, which is modern feminism and is largely ignored, is a passive feminist movement centered on delivering the idea to all men and women that neither sex deserves special treatment over the other in any case. Modern feminism isn't about fighting men. Men aren't the enemy. Human ignorance is the enemy, and both men and women are paying for that ignorance. Modern feminism is about uniting the sexes for mutual benefit. I very much support this movement and would definitely consider myself to be a part of it.
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Nathaniel Raynaud
Space Interstellar Reclamation Services
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Posted - 2014.07.02 22:00:00 -
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liberal feminism is so embarrassing (liberal as opposed to radical, not as opposed to conservative). myopic quibbling over minor facets of female oppression that doesn't take into account that the sexualization of women is part of a larger system of gender hierarchy helps no one, and only obfuscates the ends that feminism is trying to achieve.
pointing out that women are disproportionately depicted as sexual objects in media is a way to illustrate a way in which women are subjected in society, but it's hardly an issue that demands so much energy and attention from people that call themselves feminists when they could be fighting for much more important things.
but while we're on the topic, i might as well point out that most depictions of "sexualized" men in male-oriented media is meant to depict a power fantasy, not a sexual one. duke nukem is designed to be someone you want to be, not sleep with. the metal gear franchise serves as a better example of men as sexual objects, since the creator straight-up said that the reason that snake has such a banging' bod is to make the the fact that the camera is usually positioned behind him more exciting B)
i can understand where some guys are coming from when they talk about humanism, but it's a reactionary and fundamentally useless philosophy that is based on very limited cultural views and doesn't actually get stuff done |
Xenuria
Federal Defense Union Gallente Federation
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Posted - 2014.07.03 02:06:00 -
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At present clothing is gender specific and only 2 genders exist in the game...
This is stupid.
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Reaver Glitterstim
Dromedaworks inc Test Alliance Please Ignore
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Posted - 2014.07.03 05:09:00 -
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Xenuria wrote:At present clothing is gender specific and only 2 genders exist in the game...
This is stupid.
It is difficult to construct a sex model (base design of a character of a particular sex). Your character can be any gender you want, but to save development resources they only built two sexes. After all, at least 99% of humans are completely male or female (whether they feel that way inside or not), and the remaining less than 1% are almost always able to pass as one or the other.
I feel like what you can do with the character generator is sufficient, though it would be nice if they boosted the plasticity a bit. Sometimes people of the same race and sex start to all look alike--but then again sometimes that is a lack of designing by the player and not a lack of options to work with.
Play around a bit and see what you can come up with. I think you can make someone who isn't quite male or female. Fit a warfare link to your tech 1 battlecruiser. Train Wing Commander. Get in the Squad Commander or Wing Commander position. Your fleets will be superior to everyone else's. (had this sig BEFORE Odyssey BC rebalance) "What if [climate change is] a big hoax and we create a better world for nothing?" -comic on Greenmonk |
Nathaniel Raynaud
Space Interstellar Reclamation Services
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Posted - 2014.07.03 06:57:00 -
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Xenuria wrote:At present clothing is gender specific and only 2 genders exist in the game...
This is stupid.
i'm 1000% in favor of making the all the clothing available to both sexes
as for the binary gender thing, reaver pretty much hit the nail on the head. humans operate on a binary sex model, and even many intersex individuals look binary enough to pass for one gender or the other (and since character creation lets you tweak hip/shoulder/chest proportions and leaves the state of the character's genitals ambiguous, you can build an intersex-looking character that way, even if the current systems don't allow female-sexed characters to have facial hair :/)
but the game doesn't really enforce "gender" on your character; it's totally possible to start from, say, a female sex base, work it a lil, and then note in the character's bio "btw this is a guy/agender/androgyne". |
Reaver Glitterstim
Dromedaworks inc Test Alliance Please Ignore
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Posted - 2014.07.03 08:07:00 -
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Boy Kate Fit a warfare link to your tech 1 battlecruiser. Train Wing Commander. Get in the Squad Commander or Wing Commander position. Your fleets will be superior to everyone else's. (had this sig BEFORE Odyssey BC rebalance) "What if [climate change is] a big hoax and we create a better world for nothing?" -comic on Greenmonk |
Eurydia Vespasian
Storm Hunters Disturbed Acquaintance
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Posted - 2014.07.03 14:58:00 -
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annnnd...then there was mildew wolf. |
Commissar Kate
Team Evil
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Posted - 2014.07.03 15:29:00 -
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Reaver Glitterstim wrote:
Thats pretty damn hawt. People, who talk, don't know. People, who know, don't talk.
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Reaver Glitterstim
Dromedaworks inc Test Alliance Please Ignore
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Posted - 2014.07.04 22:50:00 -
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Mildew Wolf is pretty hawt but Boy Kate is way hawter! Fit a warfare link to your tech 1 battlecruiser. Train Wing Commander. Get in the Squad Commander or Wing Commander position. Your fleets will be superior to everyone else's. (had this sig BEFORE Odyssey BC rebalance) "What if [climate change is] a big hoax and we create a better world for nothing?" -comic on Greenmonk |
Adunh Slavy
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Posted - 2014.07.05 01:54:00 -
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Most such complaints come from over active nanny state do-gooders. When they aren't whining about overly buxom cartoons, they whine about the name of sports teams or attempt to sew the seeds of racial, ethnic and religious animosity.
All such activity, and the ignorant clowns that listen to such trash, are there to distract you from what matters. Necessity is the plea for every infringement of human freedom. It is the argument of tyrants; it is the creed of slaves.-á-á- William Pitt |
Colonel Selene
Team Evil
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Posted - 2014.07.05 02:29:00 -
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Reaver Glitterstim wrote:Mildew Wolf is pretty hawt but Boy Kate is way hawter!
I'm pretty hawt too.
Don't need no stinking long hair. Grrr.
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Healthy Mary
Republic Military School Minmatar Republic
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Posted - 2014.07.05 02:36:00 -
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Adunh Slavy wrote:Most such complaints come from over active nanny state do-gooders. When they aren't whining about overly buxom cartoons, they whine about the name of sports teams or attempt to sew the seeds of racial, ethnic and religious animosity.
All such activity, and the ignorant clowns that listen to such trash, are there to distract you from what matters.
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Snagletooth Johnson
Snagle Material Services CAStabouts
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Posted - 2014.07.05 02:48:00 -
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Colonel Selene wrote:Reaver Glitterstim wrote:Mildew Wolf is pretty hawt but Boy Kate is way hawter! I'm pretty hawt too. Don't need no stinking long hair. No you're not, and yes you do. |
Reaver Glitterstim
Dromedaworks inc Test Alliance Please Ignore
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Posted - 2014.07.05 06:40:00 -
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Colonel Selene wrote:I'm pretty hawt too.
Don't need no stinking long hair. You're very hawt. Long hair is pretty great but short hair has its uses too. Still, your impressive locks are one of your biggest advantages over Boy Kate in the looks department. You should flaunt them more. Fit a warfare link to your tech 1 battlecruiser. Train Wing Commander. Get in the Squad Commander or Wing Commander position. Your fleets will be superior to everyone else's. (had this sig BEFORE Odyssey BC rebalance) "What if [climate change is] a big hoax and we create a better world for nothing?" -comic on Greenmonk |
Solecist Project
Deeper Feelings Inc.
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Posted - 2014.07.05 08:23:00 -
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Combopost. http://Solecist.imgur.com Deeper Feelings Inc. --áWe make it feel real. ;) Hey CCP, what's wrong with the portraits? op success??
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Silhouette Project
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Posted - 2014.07.05 10:09:00 -
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Reaver Glitterstim wrote:Colonel Selene wrote:I'm pretty hawt too.
Don't need no stinking long hair. You're very hawt. Long hair is pretty great but short hair has its uses too. Still, your impressive locks are one of your biggest advantages over Boy Kate in the looks department. You should flaunt them more. Speaking of locks, Reaver.. I think yours needs more Miracle Gro! |
Amenity Project
Hedion University Amarr Empire
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Posted - 2014.07.05 12:25:00 -
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Silhouette Project wrote:Reaver Glitterstim wrote:Colonel Selene wrote:I'm pretty hawt too.
Don't need no stinking long hair. You're very hawt. Long hair is pretty great but short hair has its uses too. Still, your impressive locks are one of your biggest advantages over Boy Kate in the looks department. You should flaunt them more. Speaking of locks, Reaver.. I think yours needs more Miracle Gro! You people really have no taste if you think that generic doll looks impressive.
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ISD Ezwal
ISD Community Communications Liaisons
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Posted - 2014.07.05 13:15:00 -
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Please be advise that spamming the forum to get your name to show as last poster on every thread in the first index page, might have consequences. Please refrain from doing so in the future as this can be quite detrimental to the state and well being of the forum, especially if more people start doing it as some form of competition. ISD Ezwal Captain Community Communication Liaisons (CCLs) Interstellar Services Department |
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Reaver Glitterstim
Dromedaworks inc Test Alliance Please Ignore
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Posted - 2014.07.05 21:10:00 -
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Silhouette Project wrote:Speaking of locks, Reaver.. I think yours needs more Miracle Gro! Give it time. It takes a while to grow back the impressive mat that I had before. Fit a warfare link to your tech 1 battlecruiser. Train Wing Commander. Get in the Squad Commander or Wing Commander position. Your fleets will be superior to everyone else's. (had this sig BEFORE Odyssey BC rebalance) "What if [climate change is] a big hoax and we create a better world for nothing?" -comic on Greenmonk |
RAIN Arthie
The Ascended Fleet Intrepid Crossing
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Posted - 2014.07.06 17:29:00 -
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Hmmm. Well lets cut the fat off this topic and get to the meat. Men like seeing women in a provicative manner. We are all sexual beings. Now, we can take the long road of, "Well CCP makes the characters look sexy to keep them boys/ girls playing" or something nice to stare at. I take the approach of "It is an ability to make ourselves a "better" clone of who we really are in RL, now of course thats not in every case. CCP provides the tools to have huge boobs and butts and all the clothing to make it all pop. However this is all our decision really. You click that mouse and make it what you want it to be. Not them.
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Alotta Baggage
Radioactive Lobster Shipping
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Posted - 2014.07.06 17:42:00 -
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Remember... sexism! |
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