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polly papercut
Royal Amarr Institute Amarr Empire
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Posted - 2014.07.01 08:29:00 -
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So my space has seen a lot of Stratios ships roaming around as of late. What ships best counter these?
I engaged one and tried to kite it with an ishtar ended up having to bring my alt on grid to jam him up so I could get away.
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Zappity
Stay Frosty. A Band Apart.
1190
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Posted - 2014.07.01 08:35:00 -
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What is your Ishtar fit? Zappity's Adventures for a taste of lowsec. |
polly papercut
Royal Amarr Institute Amarr Empire
78
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Posted - 2014.07.01 08:54:00 -
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Zappity wrote:What is your Ishtar fit?
Medium Unstable Power Fluctuator I Medium Unstable Power Fluctuator I Medium Unstable Power Fluctuator I
Large Shield Extender II Large Shield Extender II Experimental 10MN Microwarpdrive I Warp Disruptor II Adaptive Invulnerability Field II
Damage Control II Drone Damage Amplifier II Drone Damage Amplifier II Drone Damage Amplifier II Nanofiber Internal Structure II
Medium Anti-EM Screen Reinforcer II Medium Core Defense Field Extender I
Curator II x5 Bouncer II x5 Gecko x2 Valkyrie II x2 Warrior II x1 |
Danny John-Peter
Snuff Box
439
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Posted - 2014.07.01 09:20:00 -
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You Ishtar needs a Web.
Also your drone choice is pretty terrible.
Also you have an ECM alt and are also terrible as a result, gratz. |
Xequecal
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
230
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Posted - 2014.07.01 15:10:00 -
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If a Stratios uncloaks 2000m away from you you're going to die unless you have friends that can come save you or you're using a fit specifically designed to bait and kill Stratioses. I'm not actually sure what such a fit would look like, but I'm sure there's some.
There's no realistic way to get an EHP/DPS combination high enough that you can win a brawl with a Stratios that's probably going to double web you, and still have a fit that's capable of doing anything besides bait. Yeah, if you put a bunch of plates on a blaster Proteus you'll crush them, but the chance of him actually attacking you are pretty minimal as you can't even pretend to rat in it. |
Jenn aSide
Smokin Aces.
6980
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Posted - 2014.07.01 15:27:00 -
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Gila.
Go to EVE-kill, look up my name, laugh when you see the Stratios i killed with a pve Gila that didn't even have a point. almost killed his Enyo buddy as well. |
Xequecal
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
230
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Posted - 2014.07.01 15:47:00 -
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Yeah, I'm not surprised he got himself killed using post-patch Geckos against a ratting ship. Pre-patch at least the raw DPS was higher, now you give up half your potential DPS shooting directly into the resists they're tanking. Also MAAR + 800mm sucks, use 1600mm plates + EM drones, nobody rats in armor-tanked ships anymore. The mobile depot exists, use that to rep up between fights if you have to.
Hardest part of killing someone in a Stratios isn't tackling them or surviving, it's killing them before their friends show up.
Here's the Stratios fit I use:
[New Setup 1] 1600mm Reinforced Rolled Tungsten Plates I 1600mm Reinforced Rolled Tungsten Plates I Imperial Navy Adaptive Nano Plating Drone Damage Amplifier II Reactive Armor Hardener
Experimental 10MN Microwarpdrive I Caldari Navy Warp Scrambler Fleeting Propulsion Inhibitor I Fleeting Propulsion Inhibitor I Small 'Siesta' Capacitor Booster,Navy Cap Booster 400
Dual Light Pulse Laser II,Imperial Navy Multifrequency S Dual Light Pulse Laser II,Imperial Navy Multifrequency S Dual Light Pulse Laser II,Imperial Navy Multifrequency S Sisters Expanded Probe Launcher,Core Scanner Probe I Covert Ops Cloaking Device II
Medium Processor Overclocking Unit I Medium Trimark Armor Pump II Medium Trimark Armor Pump II
CA-1, CA-2, 3% CPU implant.
Probes down your target, 600 DPS, 60,000 EHP before the RAH adjusts. Drone boats have to shoot through 125k EHP if they're carrying a single damage type, which is usually true of ratting boats. |
polly papercut
Royal Amarr Institute Amarr Empire
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Posted - 2014.07.01 16:20:00 -
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Danny John-Peter wrote:You Ishtar needs a Web.
Also your drone choice is pretty terrible.
Also you have an ECM alt and are also terrible as a result, gratz. It's an alt with 65M sp who happens to have ecm skills and a docked up fitted falcon. Has worked out more than once either I survive or I get the kill.
Ecm when people know how to use it is dangerous. |
elitatwo
Congregatio
257
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Posted - 2014.07.02 00:41:00 -
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Xequecal wrote:If a Stratios uncloaks 2000m away from you -snip-
I'm so sorry dear but if a Stratios decloaks 2000m in front of you, you have about 5 seconds to warp away, since she cannot do anything but turn the modules on at this point. signature |
Ireland VonVicious
Vicious Trading Company
320
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Posted - 2014.07.02 00:50:00 -
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polly papercut wrote:Danny John-Peter wrote:You Ishtar needs a Web.
Also your drone choice is pretty terrible.
Also you have an ECM alt and are also terrible as a result, gratz. It's an alt with 65M sp who happens to have ecm skills and a docked up fitted falcon. Has worked out more than once either I survive or I get the kill. Ecm when people know how to use it is dangerous.
I think you missed the point of his comment.
Needing to resort to such tactics is the sign of a terrible player. |
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Voyager Arran
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
371
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Posted - 2014.07.02 01:57:00 -
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polly papercut wrote:Danny John-Peter wrote:You Ishtar needs a Web.
Also your drone choice is pretty terrible.
Also you have an ECM alt and are also terrible as a result, gratz. It's an alt with 65M sp who happens to have ecm skills and a docked up fitted falcon. Has worked out more than once either I survive or I get the kill. Ecm when people know how to use it is dangerous.
Yeah I also like my solo PvP better when the other guy can't activate modules on me. |
Jonas Staal
The Echo Initiative
66
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Posted - 2014.07.02 09:31:00 -
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Xequecal wrote:Yeah, I'm not surprised he got himself killed using post-patch Geckos against a ratting ship. Pre-patch at least the raw DPS was higher, now you give up half your potential DPS shooting directly into the resists they're tanking. Also MAAR + 800mm sucks, use 1600mm plates + EM drones, nobody rats in armor-tanked ships anymore. The mobile depot exists, use that to rep up between fights if you have to.
Hardest part of killing someone in a Stratios isn't tackling them or surviving, it's killing them before their friends show up.
Here's the Stratios fit I use:
[New Setup 1] 1600mm Reinforced Rolled Tungsten Plates I 1600mm Reinforced Rolled Tungsten Plates I Imperial Navy Adaptive Nano Plating Drone Damage Amplifier II Reactive Armor Hardener
Experimental 10MN Microwarpdrive I Caldari Navy Warp Scrambler Fleeting Propulsion Inhibitor I Fleeting Propulsion Inhibitor I Small 'Siesta' Capacitor Booster,Navy Cap Booster 400
Dual Light Pulse Laser II,Imperial Navy Multifrequency S Dual Light Pulse Laser II,Imperial Navy Multifrequency S Dual Light Pulse Laser II,Imperial Navy Multifrequency S Sisters Expanded Probe Launcher,Core Scanner Probe I Covert Ops Cloaking Device II
Medium Processor Overclocking Unit I Medium Trimark Armor Pump II Medium Trimark Armor Pump II
CA-1, CA-2, 3% CPU implant.
Probes down your target, 600 DPS, 60,000 EHP before the RAH adjusts. Drone boats have to shoot through 125k EHP if they're carrying a single damage type, which is usually true of ratting boats.
I've tried to fit that into EFT, but with all5 and implants I end up doing 500DPS with Praetor2, at 104.93% CPU (after implants) |
Hakaari Inkuran
State War Academy Caldari State
89
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Posted - 2014.07.02 11:07:00 -
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Jonas Staal wrote:Xequecal wrote:Yeah, I'm not surprised he got himself killed using post-patch Geckos against a ratting ship. Pre-patch at least the raw DPS was higher, now you give up half your potential DPS shooting directly into the resists they're tanking. Also MAAR + 800mm sucks, use 1600mm plates + EM drones, nobody rats in armor-tanked ships anymore. The mobile depot exists, use that to rep up between fights if you have to.
Hardest part of killing someone in a Stratios isn't tackling them or surviving, it's killing them before their friends show up.
Here's the Stratios fit I use:
[New Setup 1] 1600mm Reinforced Rolled Tungsten Plates I 1600mm Reinforced Rolled Tungsten Plates I Imperial Navy Adaptive Nano Plating Drone Damage Amplifier II Reactive Armor Hardener
Experimental 10MN Microwarpdrive I Caldari Navy Warp Scrambler Fleeting Propulsion Inhibitor I Fleeting Propulsion Inhibitor I Small 'Siesta' Capacitor Booster,Navy Cap Booster 400
Dual Light Pulse Laser II,Imperial Navy Multifrequency S Dual Light Pulse Laser II,Imperial Navy Multifrequency S Dual Light Pulse Laser II,Imperial Navy Multifrequency S Sisters Expanded Probe Launcher,Core Scanner Probe I Covert Ops Cloaking Device II
Medium Processor Overclocking Unit I Medium Trimark Armor Pump II Medium Trimark Armor Pump II
CA-1, CA-2, 3% CPU implant.
Probes down your target, 600 DPS, 60,000 EHP before the RAH adjusts. Drone boats have to shoot through 125k EHP if they're carrying a single damage type, which is usually true of ratting boats. I've tried to fit that into EFT, but with all5 and implants I end up doing 500DPS with Praetor2, at 104.93% CPU (after implants) It works in Pyfa. Dump EFT
Edit: well, the cpu works in pyfa. Dont know what he's doing with his drones because I get your numbers |
Xequecal
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
232
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Posted - 2014.07.02 12:56:00 -
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600 DPS is with Ogres, I probably should have said that. EM drones are less raw DPS but pretty much 100% of all ratters are in shield tanked ships now so those are the drones to use. |
Lloyd Roses
Artificial Memories Vertical.
648
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Posted - 2014.07.02 14:44:00 -
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Tl;dr:
OGB and you're an awesome 1337 solo pvper
use the same alt in a falcon and people go buttmad <.< "I honestly thought I was in lowsec"
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Xequecal
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
232
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Posted - 2014.07.02 16:09:00 -
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Lloyd Roses wrote:Tl;dr:
OGB and you're an awesome 1337 solo pvper
use the same alt in a falcon and people go buttmad <.<
Ed to the above: Even with ogres and overheated conflag you're only reaching 570 -mainly therm- dps. For the 600mil it costs to assemble your stratios, you can buy two proteus outclassing that ship in every aspect: bang for buck, raw dps after decloaking, faster warpspeed, combat probes and twice the buffer. So why stratios?
1. Kinetic damage is garbage against today's ratters, 99% of which are in shield tanked ships with maxed damage mods and the vast majority of those are in Ishtars, Cerberuses, Gilas, and Tengus. Even VNIs have 40% base kinetic resist contrasted with 0% EM resist. Stratios goes out with whatever resist your targets are weakest too, Proteus is stuck with kin/therm. This is the biggest reason the Stratios is better, EM and explosive damage are far, far better damage types right now than kin/therm.
2. You don't get all that stuff on a Proteus. A 6/4/6 Proteus with gravitational capacitors and aug cap reservoir for 4 guns and 25m3 drones does 520 DPS with 3 MFS. It has more EHP than the Stratios but not by much, you've got a 3-slot tank at that point. You can drop damage for more tank but that's generally a bad idea as the #1 thing that makes you lose kills is not killing them fast enough before help arrives.
3. The Jita price for that Stratios is 450m, about 50% more than what you'll pay for the Proteus, not double.
4. The Stratios has absurd base agility, a Stratios with 2 1600mm plates has a higher MWD speed than a Proteus with one. It also has a much lower align time. Since you mentioned higher warp speed which means no nullifier, the Proteus is actually easier to kill with a gate camp. Put a nullifier on it and now you've either got a 2-slot tank or have to drop DPS.
Quote:If you want to really make use of the stratios for what it can do, you either fit AAR/RAH/nano or just shields straight away - in which case you'll have a bit more than half the buffer of the dualplated one, it regens though, go twice as fast, approach targets 50% faster when cloaked, and have ~30% more dps (700 with geckos/scorch against 560 with OH conflag+ogre II). Given that if a gank fails, it fails because back-up arrives and not cause the ratter actually starts killing you - I can't see the point in that 2plate stratios fit but dying to a barely competent gatecamp.
No combat probing on a nano-Stratios. Mission runners are better targets than people in anoms, IMHO. |
Blu Mileghere
Low-Sec Survival Ltd.
0
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Posted - 2014.07.03 07:31:00 -
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I would say a Deimos should work pretty well.
Ion blaster
Mwd Web Scram Cap booster
DcII 2 rep 2 magstab Eanm
Nano pump II anti ex pump II
770 dps with hammerheads / 862 with heat Reps 530 dps without heat and OH / 635 with standard exile (every Deimos pilot should use them) / 813 dps with OH and exile |
Maeltstome
Twisted Insanity. The Kadeshi
493
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Posted - 2014.07.03 10:03:00 -
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Blu Mileghere wrote:I would say a Deimos should work pretty well.
Ion blaster
Mwd Web Scram Cap booster
DcII 2 rep 2 magstab Eanm
Nano pump II anti ex pump II
770 dps with hammerheads / 862 with heat Reps 530 dps without heat and OH / 635 with standard exile (every Deimos pilot should use them) / 813 dps with OH and exile
Decent Fit. although i'd be worried about it's ability outside a 1v1 with a strat. |
Blu Mileghere
Low-Sec Survival Ltd.
0
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Posted - 2014.07.03 10:21:00 -
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Maeltstome wrote:Blu Mileghere wrote:I would say a Deimos should work pretty well.
Ion blaster
Mwd Web Scram Cap booster
DcII 2 rep 2 magstab Eanm
Nano pump II anti ex pump II
770 dps with hammerheads / 862 with heat Reps 530 dps without heat and OH / 635 with standard exile (every Deimos pilot should use them) / 813 dps with OH and exile Decent Fit. although i'd be worried about it's ability outside a 1v1 with a strat.
Biggest problem is the short range of the ions. The Deimos is decent fast, so it is not a huge problem. I won 1 vs 2 nomens with this fit, works good for me |
Maeltstome
Twisted Insanity. The Kadeshi
493
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Posted - 2014.07.03 10:50:00 -
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Blu Mileghere wrote:Maeltstome wrote:Blu Mileghere wrote:I would say a Deimos should work pretty well.
Ion blaster
Mwd Web Scram Cap booster
DcII 2 rep 2 magstab Eanm
Nano pump II anti ex pump II
770 dps with hammerheads / 862 with heat Reps 530 dps without heat and OH / 635 with standard exile (every Deimos pilot should use them) / 813 dps with OH and exile Decent Fit. although i'd be worried about it's ability outside a 1v1 with a strat. Biggest problem is the short range of the ions. The Deimos is decent fast, so it is not a huge problem. I won 1 vs 2 nomens with this fit, works good for me
Deimos is the perfect ship for gobbling up some Navy Cruisers. it just sucks when you get hard tackled by someone who has a bigger stick than you... |
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Jonas Staal
The Echo Initiative
66
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Posted - 2014.07.03 11:14:00 -
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I think the Deimos biggest problem is lack of cov ops cloak |
Blu Mileghere
Low-Sec Survival Ltd.
0
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Posted - 2014.07.03 12:08:00 -
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Jonas Staal wrote:I think the Deimos biggest problem is lack of cov ops cloak
OP asked for a Stratios counter and said that he used an Ishtar before. So the lack of a cov ops cloak shouldn't be a problem
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CrAzY AnNiE
Dark Nexxus S I L E N T.
5
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Posted - 2014.07.03 16:21:00 -
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polly papercut wrote:Danny John-Peter wrote:You Ishtar needs a Web.
Also your drone choice is pretty terrible.
Also you have an ECM alt and are also terrible as a result, gratz. It's an alt with 65M sp who happens to have ecm skills and a docked up fitted falcon. Has worked out more than once either I survive or I get the kill. Ecm when people know how to use it is dangerous.
Nothing wrong with having back-up. Doesn't matter if it's friends or alts. Solo fighting is a rare and beautiful thing, but back-up is realistic and practical. |
polly papercut
Royal Amarr Institute Amarr Empire
78
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Posted - 2014.07.04 05:27:00 -
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Well being in Null and seeing as how they are in my space. I am not looking for a fair fight I want as much advantage as possible.
I normally have 4 accounts that can engage. 2 of my and my friend is on when I am on and he also has 2. Was thinking maybe some vexers or some gnosis ships. Maybe some stabbers? Just what ever would be as cheap as possible but also as effective as possible.
See I have the ISK to field what ever but I am cheap as hell and hate spending it. Would fielding 3 dps and one ecm work out in our favor? I have taken care of plenty of other pirate or navy cruisers and T2 cruisers. I just do not have the experience with the SOE ships.
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Lugia3
Intentionally Dense Easily Excited
994
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Posted - 2014.07.04 12:15:00 -
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polly papercut wrote:Danny John-Peter wrote:You Ishtar needs a Web.
Also your drone choice is pretty terrible.
Also you have an ECM alt and are also terrible as a result, gratz. It's an alt with 65M sp who happens to have ecm skills and a docked up fitted falcon. Has worked out more than once either I survive or I get the kill. Ecm when people know how to use it is dangerous.
THERE IS NO REDEMPTION FOR STEPPING FOOT INSIDE A FALCON!
BURN THE HERETIC!
polly papercut wrote:Would fielding 3 dps and one ecm work out in our favor?
You're seriously asking if your 3 DPS ships and Falcon alt can take on a solo Stratios? "CCP Dolan is full of ****." - CCP Bettik |
Effect One
Vengeful Swan
159
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Posted - 2014.07.04 13:21:00 -
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polly papercut wrote:Would fielding 3 dps and one ecm work out in our favor?
I would hope so...!
cba |
Voyager Arran
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
379
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Posted - 2014.07.04 16:40:00 -
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Do you really need further advice on how to kill a cruiser that is outnumbered 3:1 by combat ships and is also incapable of designating targets for its drones, using guns, or tackling anything?
Worst case scenario; whatever lands initial tackle may have to warp out after jams hit and secondary tackle is applied. |
polly papercut
Royal Amarr Institute Amarr Empire
78
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Posted - 2014.07.05 00:32:00 -
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Well I have heard of several stratios ships overcome 2 to 1 odds. And the 4 ships would be vs 2 stratios |
Dredd420
The Redneck Gun Club Grumpy Oldmen
0
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Posted - 2014.07.06 11:40:00 -
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Maybe I'm just missing something here but a Stratios is just not that tough ....took one down just three weeks ago with a vanilla shield tanked Hurricane no prob. But what do I kno... |
Harrylon Atild
Pator Tech School Minmatar Republic
0
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Posted - 2014.07.06 14:52:00 -
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polly papercut wrote:And the 4 ships would be vs 2 stratios
The plot thickens. |
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