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Josclyn Verreuil
Justified Chaos
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Posted - 2014.07.08 01:26:00 -
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Tau Cabalander wrote:Mukuro Gravedigger wrote:I will see how bad CCP "butchers" the blue prints compared to the levels I had them prior to this patch. Then I will see how much it will cost to manufacture the same items using their new formulas. This past weekend I looked at some T2 BPC, and noted an 18% increase in materials on some. I didn't bother to look at the added line costs after discovering this.
Someone didn't bother looking at the ME. |
Felicity Love
Ka'ra Shabuir Inc.
2001
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Posted - 2014.07.08 21:48:00 -
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Building / buying what I needing for at least 6 months of my usual weekly activity.
Towers down, BPO research completed for the time being. Sold off a bunch of moon poop in the months since the first "portents" began to appear at Fanfest.
And my personal favourite:
... waiting to see what we *HAVEN'T* been told about, and how the community will react.
Maybe POS will suffer another "hush, hush, only the cool kids know this secret" type exploit like we had a number of years ago with the reactor scandal.
I mean, Sweet Geebus... something has to blow up in our faces without warning... this is EVE ! ! ! !
"Psssshhhhhhhhhhhhhh" -á-- That ambiguous and pseudo-technical term used by management to describe, to staff, how frakking cool something looks inside their own heads.
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Felicity Love
Ka'ra Shabuir Inc.
2002
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Posted - 2014.07.09 14:35:00 -
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Whang'Lo wrote:I'm thinking the whole T2 market is gonna become like the whole T1 ammo market.
Vast amounts of noobs selling everything at cost.
Lifting standings reqs for pos's, removing the need for 1000's of copies, what real barriers are there now for anyone to start cranking out mass T2 gear?
Everything is gonna become like T2 ships... why bother.
Well, when Null gets the better "everything" on Industry with CRIUS, there's a good chance that a greater proportion of those T2 products will be made in Null, meaning more of the raw and semi-refined moon mats will stay there, too, and that some of the large Null blocs may see this as a chance to formulate the beginnings of a T2 "embargo" of sorts.
At the very least, some materials will become (and/or remain) more strategic than others (simply due to geography and who can control the supply) and that means Null sec builders can begin to gouge Empire dwellers when they bring their greater quantities of manufactured T2 goodies to Jita.
If, like some of us, you're old enough to remember the 70's and OPEC, then you have an inkling of what that kind of supply manipulation does to prices.
Fun times. Or not. Depends how you get your jollies.
"Psssshhhhhhhhhhhhhh" -á-- That ambiguous and pseudo-technical term used by management to describe, to staff, how frakking cool something looks inside their own heads.
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Tau Cabalander
Retirement Retreat Working Stiffs
3849
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Posted - 2014.07.09 17:24:00 -
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Josclyn Verreuil wrote:Tau Cabalander wrote:Mukuro Gravedigger wrote:I will see how bad CCP "butchers" the blue prints compared to the levels I had them prior to this patch. Then I will see how much it will cost to manufacture the same items using their new formulas. This past weekend I looked at some T2 BPC, and noted an 18% increase in materials on some. I didn't bother to look at the added line costs after discovering this. Someone didn't bother looking at the ME. The BPC I was looking at was ML -1 and went to ME 9% with 18% more material in the manufacturing quote. |
Bronson Hughes
The Knights of the Blessed Mother of Acceleration
125
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Posted - 2014.07.09 17:35:00 -
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Felicity Love wrote:And my personal favourite: ... waiting to see what we *HAVEN'T* been told about, and how the community will react. Maybe POS will suffer another "hush, hush, only the cool kids know this secret" type exploit like we had a number of years ago with the reactor scandal. I mean, Sweet Geebus... something has to blow up in our faces without warning... this is EVE ! ! ! !
You mean like CCP deciding to remove the install bonus for multiple modules because they couldn't balance it right and only posting about it on the Test Server Feedback forums?
I had my first long-term POS staged and ready to go on July 22. Now I think it's going to sit in a hangar somewhere because all of the "little things" CCP has rolled back with the starbase changes make it considerably less worth it to me. We'll see. Maybe I'll put it up anyways just to be stubborn. Reading Comprehension: a skill so important it deserves it's own skillbook.
I want to create content, not become content. |
Zappity
Stay Frosty. A Band Apart.
1214
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Posted - 2014.07.09 18:57:00 -
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I have shut down all industry activity. Frankly, the multiple threads were too much for me to follow - I just don't have the time. So I will sit on the sidelines and watch for a month or two. When things are stable I will update my tools and take a look. Zappity's Adventures for a taste of lowsec. |
Tau Cabalander
Retirement Retreat Working Stiffs
3849
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Posted - 2014.07.09 20:11:00 -
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OMFG thanks for pointing this out. I hadn't heard about it yet |
Vincenzo Arbosa
Locust Assets
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Posted - 2014.07.09 20:32:00 -
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Well then... that changes things significantly.
At this point preparations of any sort are speculative until we know exactly what is, and what is not, going into Crius. I guess my preparations will include waiting for a dev blog that will lay it all out and then try to plan accordingly. "Leave the gun. Take the cannoli."-á |
Tau Cabalander
Retirement Retreat Working Stiffs
3853
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Posted - 2014.07.09 23:58:00 -
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Vincenzo Arbosa wrote:Well then... that changes things significantly.
At this point preparations of any sort are speculative until we know exactly what is, and what is not, going into Crius. I guess my preparations will include waiting for a dev blog that will lay it all out and then try to plan accordingly. The only prediction I'm betting the farm on is that prices will rise, probably significantly.
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Sir SmashAlot
The League of Extraordinary Opportunists Intergalactic Conservation Movement
126
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Posted - 2014.07.10 01:51:00 -
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Tau Cabalander wrote:OMFG thanks for pointing this out. I hadn't heard about it yet
1+ Thank you for posting! |
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Soldarius
Deadman W0nderland Test Alliance Please Ignore
735
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Posted - 2014.07.10 16:46:00 -
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All base BP wastage is being rolled into the base material costs along with extra materials. You can find the new base material amounts by dividing the current base amounts by 0.9. Now add in the current extra materials. Furthermore, T2 material requirements not including extras, are being multiplied by 1.5. Researching ME will reduce the new base material amounts by 1% per level up to ME10%.
The biggest change will be less demand for T1 BPCs, increase in the price per unit for T2 everything, and less need for certain POS modules associated with research and production. Neither of these are insurmountable unless your entire production enterprise has been based on selling over-researched BPCs. GÇ£I personally refuse to help AAA take space from itself so it can become an even shittier version of itselfGÇ¥ -Grath Telkin, 2014. |
Gilbaron
Free-Space-Ranger Nulli Secunda
1471
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Posted - 2014.07.11 08:24:00 -
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Let's just say i bought and researched a lot of 10/10 BPOs GRRR Goons |
Josclyn Verreuil
Justified Chaos
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Posted - 2014.07.11 10:10:00 -
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Gilbaron wrote:Let's just say i bought and researched a lot of 10/10 BPOs
Lots and lots |
PhatController
Mum Rider Alliance
55
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Posted - 2014.07.13 16:27:00 -
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Still trying to work out what this will mean for miners, currently bought a small tower ready to place a refinery or compression array. Also with the current "H" ores being best, have been looking at lowsec systems to mine in, but still nothing that seems worth it on the risk/reward scale. |
Josclyn Verreuil
Justified Chaos
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Posted - 2014.07.13 17:26:00 -
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PhatController wrote:Still trying to work out what this will mean for miners, currently bought a small tower ready to place a refinery or compression array. Also with the current "H" ores being best, have been looking at lowsec systems to mine in, but still nothing that seems worth it on the risk/reward scale.
Overall, this should be a good change for miners. At the very least, overall ore value should go up a bit due to the nerfed loot reprocessing, as more minerals will have to be sourced from ore.
As to refining versus compression in high sec, that I really don't have a feel for yet. I will say this, the patch will open the gap even further between those with refining skills and those without. |
Shiloh Templeton
Center for Advanced Studies Gallente Federation
134
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Posted - 2014.07.13 18:09:00 -
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Soldarius wrote:The biggest change will be less demand for T1 BPCs, ... . I think I read that T2 BPO copy time will be greatly reduced -- does that mean there will be an increase in T2 BPC's for sale?
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Mistah Ewedynao
Center for Advanced Studies Gallente Federation
509
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Posted - 2014.07.15 14:36:00 -
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Yeah almost prepared here.
1. One account unsubbed, 2 to go.
2. POS's coming down in a few days
3. A few Obelisks and Orcas built and stashed.
4. About 50 exhumers built and stashed so far, just selling enough to keep my T2 materials stocked
5. Thousands of T2 drones built and stashed
6. Thousands of select T2 modules built and stashed
7. A few hundred of assorted ships built.
8. Back up Indy/Tycoon going on the market soon
Hey, these are the most constructive things I can think of for this "expansion".
Nerf Goons
Nuke em from orbit....it's the only way to be sure. |
Sheri Angela
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Posted - 2014.07.16 03:44:00 -
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I'm just tired off devs waffling on timeline and features along with lack of clarity on how things will work. Indy players talk in the same language which is called spreadsheets so why can't they just use that as a medium to explain how the features will work.
We can then easily tell them the pros and cons as we work the models looking for profit. TIDI = Increasing profit while decreasing service level to the customer disguised a nicely marketed benefit. What would Amazon have done here. |
Luwc
Biohazard. WINMATAR.
170
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Posted - 2014.07.16 08:39:00 -
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Boot.ini copied and ready to go http://hugelolcdn.com/i/267520.gif |
Shiloh Templeton
Center for Advanced Studies Gallente Federation
135
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Posted - 2014.07.16 15:30:00 -
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Sheri Angela wrote:I'm just tired off devs waffling on timeline and features along with lack of clarity on how things will work. Indy players talk in the same language which is called spreadsheets so why can't they just use that as a medium to explain how the features will work.
We can then easily tell them the pros and cons as we work the models looking for profit. I agree, but perhaps CCP thinks they need to keep some info private to keep people from gaming loopholes before the patch. Like with the freighter rig/module change. |
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