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Caleb Seremshur
The Atomic Fallout Kids
321
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Posted - 2014.07.02 20:04:00 -
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Ptraci wrote:THCS wrote:
Idk, I kinda want eve developers to bring price of plexs down because this inflation trend is really putty a strain on my RL time and In-game budget. Do any of you Eve Vets share the same sentiment?
Funny, CCP wants to keep the price high, because the more isk a PLEX is worth the easier it is to sell one for real cash. With b-5rb ccp said that the chinese server the plex cost over a billion. It still go a lot higher. https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=348015 T3 OHing subsystem review and rebalance https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=290346 LP faction weapon store costs rebalancing
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Skydell
Bad Girl Posse Somethin Awfull Forums
576
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Posted - 2014.07.03 08:40:00 -
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Leoric Firesword wrote:look into PI, market trading, scamming.
all these take considerably less time.
as far as that goes, with 2 PI alts and a little help from this character for extra PI extraction I was able to plex my account and have roughly 1 bil extra to play around with...something tells me you're doing it wrong.
I set up 4 accounts, 12 characters with PI skills. I had 4x5 planets and 8x4 Planets and was pulling daily. 1.2 billion was top end pay out at the time from all 12 combined. If I had access to null I could have increased that to 150% but I would have had to move it all at some point to a place to sell it.
The thing I noticed with PI was the timers were all set up to pile in to one another. An extraction would run 10 minutes, it would process at 30 so you needed storage between your extraction and processing. Even with 4 processors, one for every two heads I could backlog the extraction and waste cycles. In addition it became a longest timer based process and the amount you could make was absolute in the end with a very low amount no matter where you set it up. Most Null sec PI either never leaves the planet or leaves it at the same rate as High Sec stuff does.
Long story short, PI is a well thought out tail chaser and really only serves to provide Null with cheap, local POS related items and you don't just log in and roll out passive income. My 12 were taking up most of my game time, setting up heads in prime locations, going out and getting PI. It was a full time job. |
Lianara Dayton
Society for Peace and Unity
15
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Posted - 2014.07.03 09:48:00 -
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@OP: Uhm, I (as a player with far more RL money then game time) never bought a PLEX with ISK before and I have 3 accounts for the past 5 years, including a capital character. How is this new or even a problem?
Most MMOs don't give you any option what-so-ever except paying with RL money... so I really don't see the problem.
If you can't afford to play EVE with multiple accounts then simply sell your super and buy a few years of game time and 500 subcaps to PVP with?
I don't understand why you seem to think that's it your "right" to be able to pay for your multiple EVE accounts with cheap PLEX that you can earn with little effort... Lianara Dayton, Society for Peace and Unity |
Lone Gunman
Forhotea Corporation
30
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Posted - 2014.07.03 15:11:00 -
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Current Jita PLEX prices closing in on 800m isk. |
Serene Repose
1422
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Posted - 2014.07.03 15:26:00 -
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EvE has an endgame? When did this happen? (I never got this memo - an EvE endgame....) I have sworn upon the altar of God eternal hostility toward every form of tyranny over the mind of man.-á |
Da'iel Zehn
Blue Republic RvB - BLUE Republic
172
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Posted - 2014.07.03 18:13:00 -
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@OP
Does EvE have an end game? I don't see flying dreads, carriers, super carriers, or titans as the end game. My character is 9 years old, and I will probably never fly one of those ships. Especially one that I can't dock in a station somewhere.
Perhaps you might want to look for some other goals.
Daniel Zehn Keeper of Evil Frosty
PLEX for...-á :-) |
RoAnnon
Eternity INC. Goonswarm Federation
340
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Posted - 2014.07.03 18:37:00 -
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What is this "endgame" of which you speak...? So, you're a bounty hunter. No, that ain't it at all. Then what are you? I'm a bounty hunter. |
Chewytowel Haklar
Minmatar Brotherhood
9
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Posted - 2014.07.03 19:14:00 -
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RoAnnon wrote:What is this "endgame" of which you speak...?
One has only to create their version of end game in EVE. |
Socrates' psalmody
Brutor Tribe Minmatar Republic
0
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Posted - 2014.07.04 02:17:00 -
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I know this is going to hurt people but seriously, I just don't get it why people complain that they can no longer play the game for free or like it used to cost them $0. For the last time I check CCP was still a for-profit entity. Everything it does, including introducing PLEX is all about maximizing its profit. Now I know some would argue that, if PLEX is no longer affordable since it costs 740M isk then they would not play this game any more. OK fine, just leave. If you are consuming in-game time(for little or much time i'm not interested) for isk, then convert it to PLEX just to keep you sub going, good for you. If you think it is getting hard to do that, and you are not happy about that, what do you expect me to say? You are already enjoying the game for free(don't argue your game time is money, no it is not), all you have to do is to spend more time grinding isk in the game, then you still can play it for free. If you expect PLEX to sell at 200M to keep all your 3 accounts active, you are just greedy. Don't you know that USD is inflating also? Just take note of the grocery bill the next time you go to supermarket. I don't know where you live but in my place for the past half year the grocery bill increased for at least 5%, that's at least 5%. got to go hmmm...... |
Jimmy O'Shanty
The Westies
14
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Posted - 2014.07.04 02:23:00 -
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End game? This "thing of ours" doesn't end. |
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Alavaria Fera
GoonWaffe
6210
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Posted - 2014.07.04 11:42:00 -
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Da'iel Zehn wrote:I don't see flying dreads, carriers, super carriers, or titans as the end game. More like not logging in supercarrier or titans.
unless your endgame is vince draken's superwreckingball fleet ^^ Delicious goon ((tech nerf, siphon, drone assist, supercap)) tears.
Taking a wrecking ball to the futile hopes and broken dreams of skillless blobbers. |
Jacob Holland
Weyland-Vulcan Industries
289
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Posted - 2014.07.04 12:36:00 -
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If you define your endgame in terms of the things you could not do when you began playing because you could not afford it then of course your endgame is a rich man's game. Similarly if you define your endgame based on the things you believed you could not do as a newbie because you lacked skills the endgame becomes something for highly skilled characters.
Of course, if you define your endgame as being able to jump in a Rifter and go out and shoot stuff whenever you want then the endgame is neither a highly skilled, nor rich man's game... |
Jandice Ymladris
Aurora Arcology
715
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Posted - 2014.07.04 17:38:00 -
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THCS wrote: . As a semi-casual player and full-time worker that doesn't want to play $540/ year or 480 hrs of my time just to keep a float in eve, its pretty hard to keep up with and enjoy eve content.
You are aware there's a yearly subscription plan yes? That costs 131 Euro a year (dunno the amount in other currencies, but I assume it's about equal value) While it indeed takes a bite out your real-life wallet, it's actually fairly reasonable, you pay 131 euro a year for your hobby, sounds pretty okay for me! Quite some hobbies are more expensive on a yearly basis. From the conversion 540 dollar = 480 hr, it does seem subscription is still kind of expensive for you (roughly guessed 131 euro = 120 hours I think)
While I do get you want to pay your account with PLEX so it doesn't consume any RL currency as it can be very tight forpeople, you should be able to make it okay with 2-3 accounts, especially if you do wormholes, even simply raiding them is very profitable (aka you scan m out, jump in, do sites and jump out).
Another option is to specialize one of your alts into incursions & join one of a multitude of the incursion groups for big isk. Your other alts/chars can then do a variety of isk-generating stff wile your incursion char is in queue to join an incursion fleet.
My advice would be to specialize your chars, to easier isk making: Scan-alt, plexrunners/WH Site runners, Incursion runner. Such acts will bolwter your isk-profit greatly.
In short:
Pay by Plex: gameplay geared for profit, to buy monthly PLEX and to cover for months with subpar isk income & to cover isk-expenses (new ships, replacement ships etc)
Pay by Subscription: More time for the enjoyable stuff, without stressing an isk income to pay for your subscription, just keep an income afloat to buy new ships/replace ships The Minmatar Midsummer Festival! -á-áCelebrating Federation Day in Dodixie! |
000Hunter000
Missiles 'R' Us
29
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Posted - 2014.07.04 18:20:00 -
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Chribba wrote:End game: Escape life and relax, stress down.
This offcourse...
Get out of the house a lil and smell the flowers |
Felicity Love
Ka'ra Shabuir Inc.
1985
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Posted - 2014.07.04 18:36:00 -
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The true "end game" here is something far bigger than any PVP battle.... aka "Spreadsheets Online".
Think of it as this games iteration of the "Golden Rule".
"Psssshhhhhhhhhhhhhh" -á-- That ambiguous and pseudo-technical term used by management to describe, to staff, how frakking cool something looks inside their own heads.
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flakeys
Caldari Provisions Caldari State
2283
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Posted - 2014.07.05 10:03:00 -
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THCS wrote:
Idk, I kinda want eve developers to bring price of plexs down because this inflation trend is really putty a strain on my RL time and In-game budget. Do any of you Eve Vets share the same sentiment?
You have choosen to 'grind ' your isk for 10 years in eve.It would have been wiser in the meantime to start a profession that would let you lower your 'grind' every month but you have choosen not to and as such even after 10 years of playing eve you are still stuck in the grind.
That is not the fault of CCP but of your own doing.
That said , plex is a product you can CHOOSE to pay for your gametime but not need as there still is the paying option for your subscription , it is an added luxury in eve.If you feel that it requires too much effort to keep your accounts active and that you don't think eve is worthy of paying for it with rl cash then my only suggestion can be to either play with only 1 account or not play at all.
So no , this vet does not share your sentiment.
By the way on a sidenote , i also don't agree with the statement that 'capitals is the endgame' .
We are all born ignorant, but one must work hard to remain stupid.
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flakeys
Caldari Provisions Caldari State
2283
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Posted - 2014.07.05 10:06:00 -
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Jacob Holland wrote:If you define your endgame in terms of the things you could not do when you began playing because you could not afford it then of course your endgame is a rich man's game. Similarly if you define your endgame based on the things you believed you could not do as a newbie because you lacked skills the endgame becomes something for highly skilled characters.
Of course, if you define your endgame as being able to jump in a Rifter and go out and shoot stuff whenever you want then the endgame is neither a highly skilled, nor rich man's game...
Now this IS how i view endgame.To me endgame means just as the word describes having reached the end of the game.In eve's case that would mean to me having done everything i can in eve to it's fullest and even after 10 years of having played eve i still have not reached that endgame by far .
We are all born ignorant, but one must work hard to remain stupid.
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Edmark I
Black Serpent Technologies The Unthinkables
82
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Posted - 2014.07.05 17:13:00 -
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Jimmy O'Shanty wrote:End game? This "thing of ours" doesn't end.
True Story! |
Mr Epeen
It's All About Me
5389
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Posted - 2014.07.05 17:22:00 -
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OP wrote:EVE end game, a Rich Man's Game?
OP, you are posting in EVE's end game.
You don't need to be rich and you only need one active sub to participate.
Mr Epeen There are 86,400 seconds in a day. You just saved one of them by typing 'u' instead of 'you'.-á Congratulations, dumbass! |
Xavier Liche
ACME Mineral and Gas
79
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Posted - 2014.07.06 15:40:00 -
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Mr Epeen wrote:OP wrote:EVE end game, a Rich Man's Game? OP, you are posting in EVE's end game. You don't need to be rich and you only need one active sub to participate. Mr Epeen
lol
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True Sight
Deep Freeze Industries
189
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Posted - 2014.07.06 15:44:00 -
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Ultimately, eve is a subscription based game, you are meant to pay a monthly fee to gain access to the services, for almost all MMO Subscription games, there is no way to avoid this.
the PLEX system provides a unique situation where those with enough wealth in-game can effectively buy their gametime with their wealth, from those with the real-world wealth to spend on PLEX they sell for ISK.
It's a symbiotic relationship, based on Supply and Demand, if the market is stable at 400m isk per PLEX, then people are willing to sell a PLEX for 400m ISK and others are willing to grind 400m in-game just to avoid paying the subscription. If a PLEX costs 900m, then the same is true.
Ultimately, if you feel it is "not worth it" then perhaps you should not be playing eve, rather than demanding that it should be cheaper for you to do so. |
Mallak Azaria
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
5439
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Posted - 2014.07.06 23:18:00 -
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I have slaves. They make my isk for me. This post was lovingly crafted by a member of the Goonwaffe Posting Cabal & proud member of the popular gay hookup site, somethingawful.com |
Pine Marten
Viziam Amarr Empire
48
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Posted - 2014.07.08 17:21:00 -
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Mallak Azaria wrote:I have slaves
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pXr25JTr-Vs
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evefas
Destructive Influence Northern Coalition.
0
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Posted - 2014.07.08 18:24:00 -
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Well, while plexes are at top prices then ppl like to buy them and sell for ingame isk, if you would know all about Iceland then you would know that it uses ISK in rl allso in another form ofc. Well atm you can not walk into a bank and buy anything for that isk, exept,,, well nothing as its all under strikt laws.
So while the status in Iceland is like that for international company to run, why in the GODS NAME should they try to lower price of plex in eve ?
Sorry m8, but in all way this is in ccp's favour atm. |
Ramona McCandless
The McCandless Clan
6034
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Posted - 2014.07.08 18:26:00 -
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evefas wrote:Well, while plexes are at top prices then ppl like to buy them and sell for ingame isk, if you would know all about Iceland then you would know that it uses ISK in rl allso in another form ofc. Well atm you can not walk into a bank and buy anything for that isk, exept,,, well nothing as its all under strikt laws.
So while the status in Iceland is like that for international company to run, why in the GODS NAME should they try to lower price of plex in eve ?
Sorry m8, but in all way this is in ccp's favour atm.
En anglais, sil vous plait "Many have joined the battle, many have survived the tests and trials, but countless have fallen because they weren't the sharpest, the fastest thinking, the most devious, the most ruthless or most intelligent. -áLog in and Compete!"-á- CCP Falcon
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MHayes
Deep Core Mining Inc. Caldari State
3
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Posted - 2014.07.08 19:32:00 -
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This game is worth a sub, if you wanna play then pay. |
Alavaria Fera
GoonWaffe
6217
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Posted - 2014.07.08 23:39:00 -
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MHayes wrote:This game is worth a sub Interesting concept to bring up in General Discussion ^^ Delicious goon ((tech nerf, siphon, drone assist, supercap)) tears.
Taking a wrecking ball to the futile hopes and broken dreams of skillless blobbers. |
Cancel Align NOW
Imperial Shipment Amarr Empire
40
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Posted - 2014.07.09 00:42:00 -
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I have to be honest and say I have not read any part of this thread other than the OP:
The median household income in the USA was approx $52000 in 2013. Presuming the average household works 60 hours per week, that equals $16.67 per hour.
A 3 month subscription costs $38.85 or approximately 2.3 hours of the average household income.
If it takes 7-10 hours to grind the isk for a one month plex, why would you grind for 21 hours in game to save your earnings from 2.3 hours of real life work? Time is the most valuable commodity you have. Talk to your wife/gf/partner about moving some RL money into a subscription.
$38.85 is also $0.43 a day - or $3.02 a week or less than a cup of coffee a week... |
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