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Elbie Klep
Aliastra Gallente Federation
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Posted - 2014.07.02 17:05:00 -
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I've been away for a year or so and there seems to have been some changes to drone combat in missions. Before you just had to wait until the rats targeted you before launching. Then you only had to worry about the rats attacking the drones from new spawns or in a handful of missions where they would retarget. However, I just ran a few L4s and the rats retargeted in every mission. Is this a general change?
Is so, it doesn't seem like a good idea for missions because one can't afford that sort of war of attrition due to the large number of rat frigates in most missions. Not to mention it is a major pain to keep hauling them back to the bay in the middle of the rest of the action.
OTOH, I notice that my cruise missiles seem to be much more effective against frigates than they used to be. Is that some sort of compensation for the retargeting? |
Hakaari Inkuran
State War Academy Caldari State
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Posted - 2014.07.02 17:12:00 -
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Don't send light drones more than 15km away from your ship unless all the frigates on the field are dead. Bring them back with new spawns like you always did before. Recall drones when frigates stop shooting you and start shooting drones.
Now your minor hurdle has been overcome. |
Elbie Klep
Aliastra Gallente Federation
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Posted - 2014.07.02 17:30:00 -
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Hakaari Inkuran wrote:Don't send light drones more than 15km away from your ship unless all the frigates on the field are dead. Bring them back with new spawns like you always did before. Recall drones when frigates stop shooting you and start shooting drones.
Now your minor hurdle has been overcome.
I used to do that for missions with spawns. But I don't think it is a minor hurdle. It is a major pain in an L4 to manage the drone damage when rats retarget. Among other things, you can't tell which drones are damaged when they are in the drone bay. Thus, when you pull one back, you don't know which one to launch to replace it. So in the handful of missions where rats did retarget, I just didn't use drones at all. Now it seems that the rats always retarget, so it looks like my drones are useless.
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Caleidascope
Republic Military School Minmatar Republic
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Posted - 2014.07.02 19:25:00 -
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Get the agro. Kill elite rat frigates. Launch light scout drones. Life is short and dinner time is chancy Eat dessert first! |
Jeanne-Luise Argenau
Suddenly Frigates Reconstructed Criticism
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Posted - 2014.07.02 19:39:00 -
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Elbie Klep wrote:Hakaari Inkuran wrote:Don't send light drones more than 15km away from your ship unless all the frigates on the field are dead. Bring them back with new spawns like you always did before. Recall drones when frigates stop shooting you and start shooting drones.
Now your minor hurdle has been overcome. I used to do that for missions with spawns. But I don't think it is a minor hurdle. It is a major pain in an L4 to manage the drone damage when rats retarget. Among other things, you can't tell which drones are damaged when they are in the drone bay. Thus, when you pull one back, you don't know which one to launch to replace it. So in the handful of missions where rats did retarget, I just didn't use drones at all. Now it seems that the rats always retarget, so it looks like my drones are useless.
not exactly but pretty much ^^ sentries still work great so 60+30 gardes on a triple omni domi is great. now i never use Light and medium drones. ok nearly never they might work by drawing ecm aggro off of me sometimes. |
Elbie Klep
Aliastra Gallente Federation
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Posted - 2014.07.02 19:40:00 -
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Caleidascope wrote:Get the agro. Kill elite rat frigates. Launch light scout drones.
Are you saying that it is only the elite rat frigates that retarget?
If so, how would I recognize them? I vaguely remember some L4 scenarios that had 'Elite' in the name. However, there weren't any in the missions I recently ran where my drones were retargeted after the rats agroed and I launched.
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Caleidascope
Republic Military School Minmatar Republic
522
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Posted - 2014.07.02 20:00:00 -
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Elbie Klep wrote:Caleidascope wrote:Get the agro. Kill elite rat frigates. Launch light scout drones. Are you saying that it is only the elite rat frigates that retarget? If so, how would I recognize them? I vaguely remember some L4 scenarios that had 'Elite' in the name. However, there weren't any in the missions I recently ran where my drones were retargeted after the rats agroed and I launched. There is a system now in place.
Rat frigates attack all kinds of drones. Rat cruisers attack medium and heavy drones. Rat bs attack heavy drones.
The elite rats frigates retarget and kill drones easily. The elite rats have 3 word names, angel elite rats start with Arch, gurista elite rats start with Dire, etc.
A word of warning. In some missions elite rats are triggers so be careful. Also Gurista Kyokun or some such and Gurista Webefier are also "special".
So what I do is kill elite rat frigs, then release the light scout drones. Regular rat frigs usually ignore them so my light scouts kill them with impunity. Rat cruiser/bc and bs simply ignore light scouts. I don't fly sentry boats so I can not advise on the strategy with sentries. I am also lazy, so I don't bother carrying light, medium and heavy drones. I only carry lights and salvage drones, the light drones kill regular rat frigs pretty good, they are decent for regular rat cruisers and they are lol/ok on bs rats, but with bs rats I got cruise missiles/artillery so my drones don't matter.
As has been already commented, for none drone boats the combat drones are pretty useless. That is why I only carry lights. With them I have to only worry about elite rat frigates, all other rats ignore them so I don't need to micromanage 3 types of drones. Life is short and dinner time is chancy Eat dessert first! |
Elbie Klep
Aliastra Gallente Federation
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Posted - 2014.07.02 20:11:00 -
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Caleidascope wrote:Elbie Klep wrote:Caleidascope wrote:Get the agro. Kill elite rat frigates. Launch light scout drones. Are you saying that it is only the elite rat frigates that retarget? If so, how would I recognize them? I vaguely remember some L4 scenarios that had 'Elite' in the name. However, there weren't any in the missions I recently ran where my drones were retargeted after the rats agroed and I launched. There is a system now in place. Rat frigates attack all kinds of drones. Rat cruisers attack medium and heavy drones. Rat bs attack heavy drones. The elite rats frigates retarget and kill drones easily. The elite rats have 3 word names, angel elite rats start with Arch, gurista elite rats start with Dire, etc.
Aha! That's exactly what I was looking for. That is consistent with what I observed in the few missions I ran since I returned from my year off. Thank you.
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Hasikan Miallok
Republic University Minmatar Republic
899
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Posted - 2014.07.03 06:21:00 -
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Elbie Klep wrote:Caleidascope wrote:Elbie Klep wrote:Caleidascope wrote:Get the agro. Kill elite rat frigates. Launch light scout drones. Are you saying that it is only the elite rat frigates that retarget? If so, how would I recognize them? I vaguely remember some L4 scenarios that had 'Elite' in the name. However, there weren't any in the missions I recently ran where my drones were retargeted after the rats agroed and I launched. There is a system now in place. Rat frigates attack all kinds of drones. Rat cruisers attack medium and heavy drones. Rat bs attack heavy drones. The elite rats frigates retarget and kill drones easily. The elite rats have 3 word names, angel elite rats start with Arch, gurista elite rats start with Dire, etc. Aha! That's exactly what I was looking for. That is consistent with what I observed in the few missions I ran since I returned from my year off. Thank you.
Though i suspect the odd named rat seems to be an exception to that rule.
Note you CAN eliminate aggro almost entirely with enough EWAR but it needs you to target paint one rat, remote rep something (usually one of your drones or something neutral) and do something else like web/scram/track-disrupt something, |
Anize Oramara
EVE Protection Agency Bloodline.
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Posted - 2014.07.04 08:03:00 -
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the reason they did this was to reduce the ease of afk mission running. they have however added a ton of new toys to help active mission/anom runners like the jump drive, rebalancing cruises/sentries/rattlesnake, omnitracking enhancers, marauder changes etc.
look around, you might find something you like.
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