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Tippia
Sunshine and Lollipops
22935
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Posted - 2014.07.06 16:45:00 -
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Xavier Liche wrote:Stop, a unit is a small group, like the 1/325 in the 82nd Airborne, the pattern is not "per unit" all units in the Army where the same thing if they are located in the same place. The pattern is location specific, desert, jungle, etc.
The pattern has N O T H I N G to do with identifying the unit. GǪaside from telling you something about what unit it is, like the details you just mentioned, even down to pinpointing a time and place for its existence. The pattern, like all other markings, is something that identifies the unit.
You see, the very novel concept that you apparently can't get into your tiny little military brain (and as someone who teaches people with these kinds of brains and who sees all kinds of patterns go by outside my office window due to the number and variety of visitors we get from all over the globe, I can speak with some authority on the matterGǪ see how that works? Do you really want to go down that particular route?) is that it doesn't have to be Gǣper unitGǥ to do this. It just have to be different from other patterns used by other groups at other times and/or in other places.
If, for instance and for some inconceivable reason, someone would want to immortalise an USMC field unit from the early 21st centry, you bet your arse that MARPAT would be a component in that tribute. GÇ£If you're not willing to fight for what you have in GëívGëí you don't deserve it, and you will lose it.GÇ¥
Get a good start: Newbie skill plan 2.1. |
Xavier Liche
ACME Mineral and Gas
79
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Posted - 2014.07.06 16:47:00 -
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Lady Areola Fappington wrote:Xavier Liche wrote:
Stop, a unit is a small group, like the 1/325 in the 82nd Airborne, the pattern is not "per unit" all units in the Army where the same thing if they are located in the same place. The pattern is location specific, desert, jungle, etc.
The pattern has N O T H I N G to do with identifying the unit.
All this shows is you have never served and are talking out your ass.
Hi, I've served. Sure, in each individual branch, camo is (mostly) the same. Most people though, see the US military is one big huge lump. In that situation, yes, different camo lets you tell the difference between, say, a sailor and an airman. Hell, just on that topic, go research the early days and development of MARPAT. It was such a good design, other branches wanted to use it. The Marines threw a huge snitfit over it, and went as far as integrating the EGA into the camo pattern itself, to keep other branches from using it.
The camo pattern you wear comes from the location you deploy. If you deploy to the desert you wear desert camo.
The purpose is to hide soldiers and equipment from view by blending in to the terrain and it has nothing to do with unit identification.
It is that simple, and if you served then you know this, they teach in basic training.
"But I don't want to wear forest camo in the desert, they will see me??!!!??"
"Shutup soldier, it is our unit colors"
It is preposterous on the face of it. |
Tippia
Sunshine and Lollipops
22935
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Posted - 2014.07.06 16:49:00 -
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Xavier Liche wrote:"But I don't want to wear forest camo in the desert, they will see me??!!!??" "Shutup soldier, it is our unit colors"
It is preposterous on the face of it. That's because it's a nonsensical strawman that you've invented. GÇ£If you're not willing to fight for what you have in GëívGëí you don't deserve it, and you will lose it.GÇ¥
Get a good start: Newbie skill plan 2.1. |
Xavier Liche
ACME Mineral and Gas
79
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Posted - 2014.07.06 16:52:00 -
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Tippia wrote:Xavier Liche wrote:Stop, a unit is a small group, like the 1/325 in the 82nd Airborne, the pattern is not "per unit" all units in the Army where the same thing if they are located in the same place. The pattern is location specific, desert, jungle, etc.
The pattern has N O T H I N G to do with identifying the unit. GǪaside from telling you something about what unit it is, like the details you just mentioned, even down to pinpointing a time and place for its existence. The pattern, like all other markings, is something that identifies the unit. You see, the very novel concept that you apparently can't get into your tiny little military brain (and as someone who teaches people with these kinds of brains and who sees all kinds of patterns go by outside my office window due to the number and variety of visitors we get from all over the globe, I can speak with some authority on the matterGǪ see how that works? Do you really want to go down that particular route?) is that it doesn't have to be Gǣper unitGǥ to do this. It just have to be different from other patterns used by other groups at other times and/or in other places. If, for instance and for some inconceivable reason, someone would want to immortalise an USMC field unit from the early 21st centry, you bet your arse that MARPAT would be a component in that tribute.
lol, do you have any idea how silly you sound, you are posting random stuff you looked up and you don't realize it doesn't "go" together, that is how I know you did not serve. Keep making stuff up, you are entertaining the troops |
Lady Areola Fappington
1976
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Posted - 2014.07.06 16:58:00 -
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Xavier Liche wrote:The camo pattern you wear comes from the location you deploy. If you deploy to the desert you wear desert camo. The purpose is to hide soldiers and equipment from view by blending in to the terrain and it has nothing to do with unit identification. It is that simple, and if you served then you know this, they teach in basic training. "But I don't want to wear forest camo in the desert, they will see me??!!!??"
"Shutup soldier, it is our unit colors"
It is preposterous on the face of it.
I served during the minor kerfluffle of the ACU. Back in that time, the ACU pattern was the only pattern we needed no matter what, anywhere in the world. Yeah, it was silly.
Last I heard, they're rolling out some more specifically desert colored digicam style camo, for sandbox stuff.
As an addendum to your statement, I actually did see a situation like that. A unit from Germany replaced my unit for OIF 5, and they brought all their woodland colored vehicles over to the desert. They didn't repaint, because having woodland camo trucks singled them out among the masses of desert painted trucks. Unit pride, yo. This thread officially has 25% more pssssssshhh than leading competitors. Rick Moranis was never put on death row for shrinking his children. New York exists outside the mind of Billy Joel. A French press is not lifting weights with your tongue out. Lena Dunham is not a girl ventriloquist. |
Tippia
Sunshine and Lollipops
22935
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Posted - 2014.07.06 17:02:00 -
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Xavier Liche wrote:lol, do you have any idea how silly you sound, you are posting random stuff you looked up and you don't realize it doesn't "go" together, that is how I know you did not serve. Keep making stuff up, you are entertaining the troops I can't help noticing that you are unable to actually refute anything I say and instead have to invent all kinds of new pathetic fantasy stories to make your previous hallucinations match with how things have evolvedGǪ I have some splendid copypasta ready for just such kinds of occasions, but I'll spare you.
So yeah, camo, like all other markings and colourations, is a unit identifier and as such can gain some kind of significance over time. The notion that a tribute to a historical unit would include its famous camo pattern isn't exactly unimaginable, as you have come to realise in spite of not wanting to admit it. GÇ£If you're not willing to fight for what you have in GëívGëí you don't deserve it, and you will lose it.GÇ¥
Get a good start: Newbie skill plan 2.1. |
Xavier Liche
ACME Mineral and Gas
79
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Posted - 2014.07.06 19:05:00 -
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Tippia wrote:Xavier Liche wrote:lol, do you have any idea how silly you sound, you are posting random stuff you looked up and you don't realize it doesn't "go" together, that is how I know you did not serve. Keep making stuff up, you are entertaining the troops I can't help noticing that you are unable to actually refute anything I say and instead have to invent all kinds of new pathetic fantasy stories to make your previous hallucinations match with how things have evolvedGǪ I have some splendid copypasta ready for just such kinds of occasions, but I'll spare you. So yeah, camo, like all other markings and colourations, is a unit identifier and as such can gain some kind of significance over time. The notion that a tribute to a historical unit would include its famous camo pattern isn't exactly unimaginable, as you have come to realise in spite of not wanting to admit it.
There is nothing to refute, the plain and obvious purpose for camo is to visually hide the person or equipment. You, a civilian, has made up some historical purpose to support a dumb design in a game.
Space ships do not need to be hidden visually and if they did, camo from a planets surface, would be the incorrect type.
No matter how much you troll with off the wall posts you got from reading some internet site, you cannot change those basic facts. |
masternerdguy
The Great Harmon Institute Of Technology Enemy Spotted.
1741
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Posted - 2014.07.06 19:09:00 -
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Xavier Liche wrote:Tippia wrote:Xavier Liche wrote:lol, do you have any idea how silly you sound, you are posting random stuff you looked up and you don't realize it doesn't "go" together, that is how I know you did not serve. Keep making stuff up, you are entertaining the troops I can't help noticing that you are unable to actually refute anything I say and instead have to invent all kinds of new pathetic fantasy stories to make your previous hallucinations match with how things have evolvedGǪ I have some splendid copypasta ready for just such kinds of occasions, but I'll spare you. So yeah, camo, like all other markings and colourations, is a unit identifier and as such can gain some kind of significance over time. The notion that a tribute to a historical unit would include its famous camo pattern isn't exactly unimaginable, as you have come to realise in spite of not wanting to admit it. There is nothing to refute, the plain and obvious purpose for camo is to visually hide the person or equipment. You, a civilian, has made up some historical purpose to support a dumb design in a game. Space ships do not need to be hidden visually and if they did, camo from a planets surface, would be the incorrect type. No matter how much you troll with off the wall posts you got from reading some internet site, you cannot change those basic facts.
There is no stealth in space.
Therefore, the paint job of the ship is purely an artistic decision. Things are only impossible until they are not. |
Tippia
Sunshine and Lollipops
22943
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Posted - 2014.07.06 19:24:00 -
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Xavier Liche wrote:There is nothing to refute Incorrect. There is just nothing you are able to refute. There's a difference. Your continued attempts to cover this and having nothing but fallacies to (not actually) support you just proves me more and more right every time you fail at it.
Quote:You, a civilian, has made up some historical purpose to support a dumb design in a game. Nope. That's just some dumb strawman you've made up along with your feeble attempts at trying to justify your very obvious mistakes aboutGǪ oh, just about everything. Maybe if you took the time to read what I write instead of just half-arsing it and filling in the gaps vast yawning chasms with spectacularly ignorant guesswork on your part, you'd be in a better position to actually argue against what I say.
Quote:Space ships do not need to be hidden visually and if they did, camo from a planets surface, would be the incorrect type. GǪand since it serves no such purpose, the paint scheme can be anything you like. It could, for instance, be a tribute to some famous or historically significant unit.
Quote:No matter how much you troll with off the wall posts you got from reading some internet site, you cannot change those basic facts. Good thing that I do none of those things then, and instead provide you with the basic facts you are so desperately trying to dismiss without reason, without argument, and without any kind of connection to reality. Facts such as how all kinds of colourations, designs, and markers can gain historical significance and thus be very important to retain or call back to for those who feel they have to maintain that legacy. GÇ£If you're not willing to fight for what you have in GëívGëí you don't deserve it, and you will lose it.GÇ¥
Get a good start: Newbie skillplan 2.2. |
James Nikolas Tesla
Onslaught Inc RISE of LEGION
123
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Posted - 2014.07.07 01:41:00 -
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I said it before and I'll say it again, I don't want camo, I want pin up girls to put on the side of my ship. Something to keep my warm in those cold, lonely asteroid belts. Elite PVP - The use of huge blobs, capital ships, and metagaming to defeat a target you already significantly outnumbered. -masternerdguy |
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Mr Epeen
It's All About Me
5424
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Posted - 2014.07.07 01:48:00 -
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Title wrote:Forest Camo In Space Is Dumb
What's really dumb is if you are zoomed in close enough to see your paint job while in space.
Mr Epeen There are 86,400 seconds in a day. You just saved one of them by typing 'u' instead of 'you'.-á Congratulations, dumbass! |
Oraac Ensor
School of Applied Knowledge Caldari State
545
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Posted - 2014.07.07 02:09:00 -
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Quote:Forest Camo In Space Is Dumb No dumber than the multi-shades-of-blue police camo I see on tv news almost every night. |
Hasikan Miallok
Republic University Minmatar Republic
914
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Posted - 2014.07.07 02:19:00 -
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I dunno.
If it works for this girl ...
Camo Bikini
It should work for a cruiser. |
Trillian Darkwater
ACME HARDWARE
9
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Posted - 2014.07.07 06:21:00 -
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Dhaq wrote:Camo is the new black. Adapt or get out of the way
ib4l
No.
ORANGE is the new black |
Debora Tsung
The Investment Bankers Guild
1165
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Posted - 2014.07.07 06:31:00 -
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Dinsdale Pirannha wrote:Of course you are correct. The stealth ships should all be matte black, with radar absorbing paint, aka B2 bombers.
But nope, CCP instead tries to squeeze cash out of silly people with various skins. Humans have proven throughout history there always has been, and always will be, a market for frivolous items bought by frivolous people. Don't try and talk me out of my neon green (with either stylish blue or pink stripes) plush camo for my Raven, I still want that. Stupidity should be a bannable offense.
Also This --> https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=216699 Please stop making "afk cloak" threads, thanks in advance. |
Josef Djugashvilis
Acme Mining Corporation
2460
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Posted - 2014.07.07 06:40:00 -
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Hasikan Miallok wrote:I dunno. If it works for this girl ... Camo BikiniIt should work for a cruiser.
The link you provided is not working as that poor girl seems to have two sections of her body missing ! This is not a signature. |
Debora Tsung
The Investment Bankers Guild
1165
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Posted - 2014.07.07 06:59:00 -
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Jenn aSide wrote:We're talking about a game where one race is shooting 'lasers' and Tachyon Beams and another is using ARTILLERY and Autocannons lol. And this game has SHIELDS strong enough to protect a ship from above mentioned high powered directed energy weapons, but somehow not strong enough to protect the same ships from minmatar bullets....
Pssst, Minmatar Bullets are filled with antimatter. Stupidity should be a bannable offense.
Also This --> https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=216699 Please stop making "afk cloak" threads, thanks in advance. |
Xercodo
Xovoni Astronautical Manufacturing and Engineering
3590
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Posted - 2014.07.07 07:14:00 -
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Xavier Liche wrote:Just sayin... Also noticed when I searched that almost every anti-camo thread is locked, but they seem really popular and really tame. Conspiracy?
All threads older than 90 days get auto locked I think (they def get auto locked but not sure on the time cut off). The Drake is a Lie |
Mithandra
Serene Vendetta Brawls Deep
64
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Posted - 2014.07.07 08:04:00 -
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Hasikan Miallok wrote:I dunno. If it works for this girl ... Camo BikiniIt should work for a cruiser.
There's no amount of camo, design of camo, or indeed potential camo that could totally hide that shape.
As for the heat signature..... huge.
And I cant believe that by page 6 no one has mentioned spaceship forest camo and the forest moon of endor in the same sentence.
There's hope for the forums yet. |
Sodabro
Republic Military School Minmatar Republic
261
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Posted - 2014.07.07 13:43:00 -
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carebears are dumb. just sayin... |
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TharOkha
0asis Group
832
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Posted - 2014.07.07 17:30:00 -
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forest camo in space game?... nothing more than relic of COD kids generation... . |
Ramona McCandless
The McCandless Clan
6003
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Posted - 2014.07.07 19:00:00 -
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As a ship could be any colour you like and it makes no difference, what makes forest camo a less intelligent choice than police lights?
Or flat grey?
Or splattered in pretty red stains? "Many have joined the battle, many have survived the tests and trials, but countless have fallen because they weren't the sharpest, the fastest thinking, the most devious, the most ruthless or most intelligent. -áLog in and Compete!"-á- CCP Falcon
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De'Veldrin
Black Serpent Technologies The Unthinkables
2476
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Posted - 2014.07.07 19:21:00 -
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Ramona McCandless wrote:As a ship could be any colour you like and it makes no difference, what makes forest camo a less intelligent choice than police lights?
Or flat grey?
Or splattered in pretty red stains?
Pretty much this, tbh.
In a game where most combat ranges are measured in kilometers, the idea of visual camoflage being in any way effective at protecting your ship is ludicrous. It's just there as a way to differentiate the hull from other's of the same visual model. Could they have gone a different way? Sure. That's one reason I am hoping we get (some version of) the ship painter that was recently demoed sooner as opposed to later. I will spend so much disposable income on that..... MAMBA is recruiting. -áWhen other folks are whining about a lack of content, we go out and create it. The case of Shrodinger's Hotdropper |
Toriessian
Helion Production Labs Independent Operators Consortium
246
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Posted - 2014.07.07 19:49:00 -
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Camo on ships is very important. Just last week I was filming a hunting documentary in low sec. I was in orbit above the planet Bosena I, when one of my scouts spotted a white tailed deer on the surface. I immediately loaded up the tactical munitions and let me tell you I put one hell of a hole in that deer from over 50km away.
Had I not been in my full camo gear what would have happened? That deer would have seen me and run away thats what. I support every hunters right to bear arms and wear camo regardless of situation.
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Rumple Tugly
Republic Military School Minmatar Republic
3
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Posted - 2014.07.07 19:56:00 -
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It's not forest Camo, it's Nebula Camo. |
Ned Thomas
Angry Rockbiters M1NER CONFL1CT
57
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Posted - 2014.07.07 20:03:00 -
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This seems as good a time as any to mention that I think the prototype cloaking device should just be a bucket of black paint. |
Ian Morbius
93
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Posted - 2014.07.07 22:15:00 -
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It's Camo Chic. Death Valley & Mojave real world hardcore. www.acronymfinder.com
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Jamwara DelCalicoe Ashley
Lords.Of.Midnight The Devil's Warrior Alliance
230
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Posted - 2014.07.07 23:42:00 -
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Xavier Liche wrote:Tippia wrote:Xavier Liche wrote:Camo has historical significance? This is gotta hear Sure. It's as much a unit identifier as any other marking or colouration. All such identifiers can gain some kind of significance over time. No, the shoulder patch (in the US) is the unit identifier, esp right side because that is the combat unit you serve with. BDUs are all the same.
As of 2002'ish each branch of the American military is wearing a different type of camouflage... the Army, Navy, Air Force, Coast Guard and Marines all look, behave, train and fight vastly different from the others.
Tippia was right. You are wrong. https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=331004 - thank me later |
masternerdguy
The Great Harmon Institute Of Technology Enemy Spotted.
1755
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Posted - 2014.07.07 23:44:00 -
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Jamwara DelCalicoe Ashley wrote:Tippia was right..
We didn't listen! We didn't listen! Things are only impossible until they are not. |
Hasikan Miallok
Republic University Minmatar Republic
919
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Posted - 2014.07.07 23:55:00 -
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Of course the first regular combat use of camo patterns for uniforms was actually by the Waffen SS. |
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