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masternerdguy
The Great Harmon Institute Of Technology Enemy Spotted.
1740
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Posted - 2014.07.06 18:34:00 -
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Title says it all. For our purposes, I will define elite pvp for the uninitiated.
Elite PVP - The use of huge blobs, capital ships, and metagaming to defeat a target you already significantly outnumbered.
The unfortunate truth is that CCP has made elite pvp almost impossible in FW. Back in my day, in the olden days, Faction Wars was a very different place with regular battleship blobs soaring over 100 every night and capitals and supercapitals being dropped pretty frequently for lo sec. Then, everyone involved suddenly lost their courage and started flying around in frigates.
And eventually the game mechanics were changed so that only cruisers and smaller are viable in FW. It is a sad story, truly, but not irreversible.
Simply remove acceleration gates from FW sites and all will be right in the universe. Sure, you'll upset the people who think being good in a 1v1 makes them an elite PVPer, but as we all can clearly see from nullsec nobody gets big by being good at a 1v1. Things are only impossible until they are not. |
Felicity Love
Ka'ra Shabuir Inc.
1993
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Posted - 2014.07.06 18:40:00 -
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Shhhhhhhhh..... the unwashed masses of Null need "bread and circuses", too, now that they have effectively created a "slave" class to "farm their fields" in their subjugated "provinces". Legions of troops get bored easily, and the last thing you want is bored troops.
"Rome" is falling....
"Psssshhhhhhhhhhhhhh" -á-- That ambiguous and pseudo-technical term used by management to describe, to staff, how frakking cool something looks inside their own heads.
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ElQuirko
Protus Correction Facility Inc.
3396
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Posted - 2014.07.06 18:53:00 -
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I agree with the OP. Supercarrier drops and titan bridges would fix the issue that is FW. Dodixie > Hek |
Alavaria Fera
GoonWaffe
6214
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Posted - 2014.07.06 20:14:00 -
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masternerdguy wrote:Title says it all. For our purposes, I will define elite pvp for the uninitiated.
Elite PVP - The use of huge blobs, capital ships, and metagaming to defeat a target you already significantly outnumbered. What is the definition of blobbing? ^^ Delicious goon ((tech nerf, siphon, drone assist, supercap)) tears.
Taking a wrecking ball to the futile hopes and broken dreams of skillless blobbers. |
Morganta
The Greater Goon Clockwork Pineapple
1989
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Posted - 2014.07.06 20:21:00 -
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Alavaria Fera wrote:masternerdguy wrote:Title says it all. For our purposes, I will define elite pvp for the uninitiated.
Elite PVP - The use of huge blobs, capital ships, and metagaming to defeat a target you already significantly outnumbered. What is the definition of blobbing?
sexual relations with fat people
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GreenSeed
1052
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Posted - 2014.07.06 21:26:00 -
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chubby needs love too. |
Cynter DeVries
Spheroidal Projections
886
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Posted - 2014.07.06 21:50:00 -
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I thought having more pilots on your side was "Elite PvP" in Eve. Cynter's Law of feature suggestion: Thou shalt not suggest NPCs do something players could do instead. |
Yarda Black
Epidemic. Nulli Secunda
220
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Posted - 2014.07.06 21:53:00 -
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Not falling for this one. |
Herzog Wolfhammer
Sigma Special Tactics Group
5093
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Posted - 2014.07.06 22:01:00 -
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I slather myself in Grey Poupon when I PVP. Does that make me leet? (if not a little seasoned) Bring back DEEEEP Space! |
Mr Epeen
It's All About Me
5418
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Posted - 2014.07.06 22:34:00 -
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masternerdguy wrote: Elite PVP - The use of huge blobs, capital ships, and metagaming to defeat a target you already significantly outnumbered.
I don't pay much attention to you most times, Nerd, but I swear I'm tempted to use that as a new sig.
Priceless!
Mr Epeen
There are 86,400 seconds in a day. You just saved one of them by typing 'u' instead of 'you'.-á Congratulations, dumbass! |
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ArmyOfMe
Teddybears.
304
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Posted - 2014.07.06 23:05:00 -
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masternerdguy wrote: Faction Wars was a very different place with regular battleship blobs soaring over 100 every night and capitals and supercapitals being dropped pretty frequently for lo sec. Then, everyone involved suddenly lost their courage and started flying around in frigates. . Or it could be because of some entitys have gotten so massive super cap fleets, and cyno chains that any dropping of caps/supers in low sec = insta death to them most of the time. QUOTE CCP Dolan and the EVE Online development team:-áThe battle was relatively even for some time with CFC and Russian forces holding moderate lead at first and only have a slight lead in Titan kills. Then came a turning point in the battle. Manfred Sideous, the initial Fleet Commander for PL/N3, handed over command to the CEO of Northern Coalition., Vince Draken |
Kudos12345
Republic University Minmatar Republic
26
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Posted - 2014.07.06 23:19:00 -
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To me elite PVP is a single pilot that uses expensive fits (for your average EVE player) and knows how to use them and does fly them all the time and generally kills a lot of ships and does fight outnumbered. I was inactive for a long long time, generally corps back in my day that did that were D.N.A and Mercenary Forces, I hope corps like that still exist in EVE if not ... =/ Blobing even BS blobing is not elite PVP... |
Rowells
Unknown Soldiers Fidelas Constans
913
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Posted - 2014.07.06 23:33:00 -
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I figured true elite pvp was in wormholes |
Rowells
Unknown Soldiers Fidelas Constans
913
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Posted - 2014.07.06 23:36:00 -
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Herzog Wolfhammer wrote:I slather myself in Grey Poupon when I PVP. Does that make me leet? (if not a little seasoned) No but it does make you a tasty target |
Arronicus
Caldari Navy Reconnaissance
1085
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Posted - 2014.07.06 23:50:00 -
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masternerdguy wrote: I will define elite pvp for the uninitiated.
Elite PVP - The use of huge blobs, capital ships, and metagaming to defeat a target you already significantly outnumbered.
Not sure whether trolling, or naive. You've defined Blob warfare, not elite pvp. |
James Nikolas Tesla
Onslaught Inc RISE of LEGION
122
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Posted - 2014.07.07 00:29:00 -
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Mr Epeen wrote:masternerdguy wrote: Elite PVP - The use of huge blobs, capital ships, and metagaming to defeat a target you already significantly outnumbered.
I don't pay much attention to you most times, Nerd, but I swear I'm tempted to use that as a new sig. Priceless! Mr Epeen Too late Elite PVP - The use of huge blobs, capital ships, and metagaming to defeat a target you already significantly outnumbered. -masternerdguy |
Marsha Mallow
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Posted - 2014.07.07 00:42:00 -
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Morganta wrote:Alavaria Fera wrote:What is the definition of blobbing? sexual relations with fat people Tbf, I've always had this image in my mind. Hence, 'derty' blobbers.
It's also really disturbing having a 14 year old FC (maybe they are really 40, but they get awfully squeaky when excited) screaming in your ear about surprise buttsex.
EvE Online = where even fat people can get anal (but only on a weekend, and if they're prepared to be twitch streamed) TO THE RIPARDMOBILE! |
Bienator II
madmen of the skies
2728
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Posted - 2014.07.07 00:43:00 -
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wait till we can cyno jam amamake eve style bounties (done) dust boarding parties imagine there is war and everybody cloaks - join FW |
Erica Dusette
Nighthawk Exploration Anoikis Ronin
11775
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Posted - 2014.07.07 02:05:00 -
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Noticed you beginning to post again a lil while back, and it's nice to see you back again MNG.
I remember flying with you quite a few times back in my (short) time in FW a few years ago.
Have fun and kill lots!
Gÿá Part-time wormhole pirate | GÖí Full-time super model WH Blog | #420roloswag | Bio |
JAF Anders
Quantum Cats Syndicate Repeat 0ffenders
228
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Posted - 2014.07.07 02:09:00 -
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*yawn* The pursuit of excellence and stabbed plexing alts. |
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stoicfaux
5060
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Posted - 2014.07.07 02:22:00 -
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masternerdguy wrote: Elite PVP - The use of huge blobs, capital ships, and metagaming to defeat a target you already significantly outnumbered.
Well, to be fair, it does require some skill to organize a disparate group of people, to accumulate capital ships, to metagame, and then apply superior force at the right location at the right time to achieve victory.
tl;dr - Elite PvP didn't win Iraq. Blobbing with capitals did. But a lack of metagaming is probably going to lose it.
WASABI: Warp Acceleration System Ancillary Boost Injected(Gäó)
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Erica Dusette
Nighthawk Exploration Anoikis Ronin
11777
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Posted - 2014.07.07 02:25:00 -
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stoicfaux wrote: Elite PvP didn't win Iraq. Wait ... Iraq was won?
Gÿá Part-time wormhole pirate | GÖí Full-time super model WH Blog | #420roloswag | Bio |
Scipio Artelius
The Vendunari End of Life
2035
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Posted - 2014.07.07 02:27:00 -
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Meh to the topic in general.
L33t is just the guy/group that win any encounter. Doesn't matter if it s blob, solo, small gang or ISBoxer running multiple accounts.
You win. You l33t.
We're all only as l33t as our last fight. Come Win At Eve - Join The Vendunari
. -á<- Argue this, not this ->-á( -í-¦ -£-û -í-¦) |
Serene Repose
1425
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Posted - 2014.07.07 07:15:00 -
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You missed the single most important factor to EVE activity (or inactivity), and that's ISK per second. No dough? No go. You also sort of skipped over why smaller ships became popular gamewide over the larger ships and the demise of the battleship as the end all, be all of personal fighting ships.
If the idea is to stimulate interest in FW to increase the number of players doing it, I suggest you take another tack, 'cause this one don't get it. If this is indeed your intent, I think you'll find your "prospective recruits" out, en masse, ganking in dessies. I have sworn upon the altar of God eternal hostility toward every form of tyranny over the mind of man.-á |
Mr Epeen
It's All About Me
5432
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Posted - 2014.07.07 07:56:00 -
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Erica Dusette wrote:stoicfaux wrote: Elite PvP didn't win Iraq. Wait ... Iraq was won? Sure...by Iraqis.
Mr Epeen
There are 86,400 seconds in a day. You just saved one of them by typing 'u' instead of 'you'.-á Congratulations, dumbass! |
Maeltstome
Twisted Insanity. The Kadeshi
500
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Posted - 2014.07.07 10:01:00 -
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ArmyOfMe wrote:masternerdguy wrote: Faction Wars was a very different place with regular battleship blobs soaring over 100 every night and capitals and supercapitals being dropped pretty frequently for lo sec. Then, everyone involved suddenly lost their courage and started flying around in frigates. . Or it could be because of some entitys have gotten so massive super cap fleets, and cyno chains that any dropping of caps/supers in low sec = insta death to them most of the time.
Jump bridging kills BS fleets. Why? It means you can instantly blob a battleship fleet with your own BS and some triage caps. If you had to commit supers to the field using a regular cyno but COULDN'T bridge a sub-cap-support fleet in at the same time, you'd see less hot-dropping. If you can't tackle, neut and blob targets, most capitals wont get kills.
Suddenly people AFK'ing at a POS-Titan need to start moving around instead of getting beam-me-up-scotty'd into a fight. |
Alavaria Fera
GoonWaffe
6215
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Posted - 2014.07.07 10:49:00 -
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stoicfaux wrote:masternerdguy wrote: Elite PVP - The use of huge blobs, capital ships, and metagaming to defeat a target you already significantly outnumbered.
Well, to be fair, it does require some skill to organize a disparate group of people, to accumulate capital ships, to metagame, and then apply superior force at the right location at the right time to achieve victory. tl;dr - Elite PvP didn't win Iraq. Blobbing with capitals did. But a lack of metagaming is probably going to lose it. But the isk on field... ^^ Delicious goon ((tech nerf, siphon, drone assist, supercap)) tears.
Taking a wrecking ball to the futile hopes and broken dreams of skillless blobbers. |
Vyktor Abyss
The Abyss Corporation Abyss Alliance
521
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Posted - 2014.07.07 12:56:00 -
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The solution is pretty obvious...
Instead of reducing power projection from things like hotdrops and bridges; embrace this joy of speedy movement!
Every corporation or alliance joining FW gets access to an NPC Titan (its already there in Luminaire!!!!) and can jumpbridge as much as they like for a small ISK usage fee!
That'll surely level all playing fields!!1!oneELEVEN!! |
De'Veldrin
Black Serpent Technologies The Unthinkables
2473
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Posted - 2014.07.07 13:46:00 -
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Vyktor Abyss wrote:The solution is pretty obvious...
Instead of reducing power projection from things like hotdrops and bridges; embrace this joy of speedy movement!
Every corporation or alliance joining FW gets access to an NPC Titan (its already there in Luminaire!!!!) and can jumpbridge as much as they like for a small ISK usage fee!
That'll surely level all playing fields!!1!oneELEVEN!!
I'm in. This has "Best. Idea. Ever." written all over it. MAMBA is recruiting. -áWhen other folks are whining about a lack of content, we go out and create it. The case of Shrodinger's Hotdropper |
Grimpak
Shifting Sands Trader Cartel Bleak Horizon Alliance.
1679
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Posted - 2014.07.07 19:54:00 -
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I have a better idea:
let's not. [img]http://eve-files.com/sig/grimpak[/img]
[quote]The more I know about humans, the more I love animals.[/quote] ain't that right |
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