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Reiisha
Splint Eye Probabilities Inc. Dawn of Transcendence
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Posted - 2014.07.08 07:47:00 -
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A profound misunderstanding of basic economics? Check. A raging, massive ego? Check. Conspiracy theories? Check.
PLEX conspiracy thread #98897293874, please lock.
If you do things right, people won't be sure you've done anything at all... |
Skydell
Bad Girl Posse Somethin Awfull Forums
601
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Posted - 2014.07.08 07:59:00 -
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Reiisha wrote:A profound misunderstanding of basic economics? Check. A raging, massive ego? Check. Conspiracy theories? Check.
PLEX conspiracy thread #98897293874, please lock.
Only read the title? Check |
Vortexo VonBrenner
Tadakastu-Obata Corporation The Honda Accord
1442
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Posted - 2014.07.08 08:15:00 -
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Antihrist Pripravnik wrote:Riot Girl wrote:PLEX isn't getting more expensive, ISK is getting cheaper. This. Also, OP and everyone else interested in PLEX prices, please take a look at EVE Fanfest 2014. Economy Panel video (I've linked the exact timestamp where the talk about PLEX starts, so you won't have to search for it). It's a shame that there is so much interest on EVE forums about PLEX prices, but the video itself has only 7,500 views That's interesting, thanks. Hey OP, you might want to watch this... PLEX prices are 3.6 bil on the serenity server? Huh. Yeah, I don't feel so bad.
I'm listening to-áBj+¦rk, playing EVE, eating fishsticks, and I'm cold....this is immersion gaming. |
Yarda Black
Epidemic. Nulli Secunda
228
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Posted - 2014.07.08 08:56:00 -
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I'm in luck it seems:
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Yabba Addict
The Lost Minmatar Legion Weapon's of Mass Destruction
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Posted - 2014.07.08 08:57:00 -
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Ugh, this again. OK, this is the way it works, plex costs more than a sub, which is good for CCP. Higher prices in New Eden is good for the seller, meaning that more people are willing to buy plex and sell them in New Eden. BUT if the prices become so high that players who plex their sub stop doing so then that is a bad thing, from the buyers point of view, the sellers and CCPs. CCP does not want inflated plex prices, they want prices that are in balance with the general income of the playerbase.
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Adrie Atticus
The Shadow Plague The Bastion
147
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Posted - 2014.07.08 09:21:00 -
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Reiisha wrote:A profound misunderstanding of basic economics? Check. A raging, massive ego? Check. Conspiracy theories? Check.
PLEX conspiracy thread #98897293874, please lock.
This post gave me a raging clue over the OP's ability to spaceships. |
Rhivre
TarNec Invisible Exchequer
765
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Posted - 2014.07.08 09:21:00 -
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Creamdream wrote:High plex price means more people wil buy with euro or dollar instead of isk.
You would think with the increasing plex price, it was almost as if there was something else people could do with PLEX besides subbing their account Fluffy Bunny Pic! |
Ralph King-Griffin
Lords.Of.Midnight The Devil's Warrior Alliance
2576
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Posted - 2014.07.08 09:54:00 -
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Skydell wrote:Reiisha wrote:A profound misunderstanding of basic economics? Check. A raging, massive ego? Check. Conspiracy theories? Check.
PLEX conspiracy thread #98897293874, please lock. Only read the title? Check Recognizing there's more mileage in discussing the title than the half arsed op? Check "Confirming EVE is hot, batshit crazy, and puts out." -Omar Alharazaad "CAKE CANNOT HOLD UP TO BEING A CHARACTER DAMNIT." --áUnsuccessful At Everything |
Gallowmere Rorschach
Enlightened Industries Goonswarm Federation
375
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Posted - 2014.07.08 10:02:00 -
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There aren't many ISK sinks in the game, therefore most ISK generated by mission runners, ratters, etc. stays in the player pool, whereas materials are often destroyed or consumed. As such, PLEX isn't expensive, ISK is devalued. |
Arec Bardwin
1458
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Posted - 2014.07.08 10:28:00 -
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Creamdream wrote:(don't lock) I support this request.
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Creamdream
Unlimited Potential
1
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Posted - 2014.07.08 10:29:00 -
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80% of comments are trolls, couldn't expect anything else I guess. To those who provided more constructive views, thanks for that. Note that I have no objection whatsoever to CCP making money. In fact, I would like them to do so as it will keep the game we all enjoy, running. T
That said, there is equally nothing wrong with admitting that it is extremely unlikely that CCP does not stimulate PLEX inflation. It is in their interest to do so.
The way I see it, is that CCP essentially has the same tools available as in a real economy. A PLEX is analoguos to a bond. The central bank (CCP) can use quantitative easing (buying up PLEX) to reduce the supply of PLEX on the market which will increase the prices. Now the bond (PLEX) will be worth more (in terms of ISK) which will increase the value of PLEX when measured in another currency (i.e. Euro or Dollar). Hence, the demand for Euro/Dollar-purchased PLEX will increase which will enhance CCP's profits. |
Debora Tsung
The Investment Bankers Guild
1166
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Posted - 2014.07.08 10:34:00 -
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Creamdream wrote:Truth is always obstructed by those in power. Dont lock. Discuss. You have no idea where those plexes you buy for ISK come from, do you? Stupidity should be a bannable offense.
Also This --> https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=216699 Please stop making "afk cloak" threads, thanks in advance. |
Ralph King-Griffin
Lords.Of.Midnight The Devil's Warrior Alliance
2576
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Posted - 2014.07.08 10:35:00 -
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or, plex is analogous to gold. in this case, no tinfoil hat required (still fashionable though).
Debora Tsung wrote:Creamdream wrote:Truth is always obstructed by those in power. Dont lock. Discuss. You have no idea where those plexes you buy for ISK come from, do you? I don't think he does "Confirming EVE is hot, batshit crazy, and puts out." -Omar Alharazaad "CAKE CANNOT HOLD UP TO BEING A CHARACTER DAMNIT." --áUnsuccessful At Everything |
Quinn Corvez
Probe Patrol Ixtab.
238
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Posted - 2014.07.08 10:38:00 -
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CCP don't need to buy the plex up, they simply release new ships skins (no intrinsic value) or wait for a world disaster (which people donate plex to) and the rest takes care of itself. |
Ralph King-Griffin
Lords.Of.Midnight The Devil's Warrior Alliance
2576
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Posted - 2014.07.08 10:43:00 -
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Quinn Corvez wrote: or wait for a world disaster (which people donate plex to) and the rest takes care of itself. or create one themselves!
I like this hat, i think it suits me. "Confirming EVE is hot, batshit crazy, and puts out." -Omar Alharazaad "CAKE CANNOT HOLD UP TO BEING A CHARACTER DAMNIT." --áUnsuccessful At Everything |
Debora Tsung
The Investment Bankers Guild
1166
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Posted - 2014.07.08 10:44:00 -
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Ralph King-Griffin wrote:Quinn Corvez wrote: or wait for a world disaster (which people donate plex to) and the rest takes care of itself. or create one themselves! I like this hat, i think it suits me. Confirmed, CCP has ha secret pact with an icelandic volcano god to create tsunamis whenever they feel like it. Stupidity should be a bannable offense.
Also This --> https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=216699 Please stop making "afk cloak" threads, thanks in advance. |
Nalelmir Ahashion
Omegon 42nd Core
456
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Posted - 2014.07.08 10:45:00 -
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Tippia wrote:No and no, in that order.
Also, IBTL.
I was sure it was no and No. thanks for figuring it out for us! "What's worse than a foul-mouthed eight-year-old constantly claiming he's had relations with your mother? A foul-mouthed eight-year-old constantly claiming he's had relations with your mother who thinks he's a gangser, that's what." --áAaron Birch |
Steve Celeste
Overdogs
298
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Posted - 2014.07.08 11:04:00 -
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No, but I wish they did. |
Emma Muutaras
State War Academy Caldari State
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Posted - 2014.07.08 11:09:00 -
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Creamdream wrote:High plex price means more people wil buy with euro or dollar instead of isk.
The way I see it, is that CCP essentially has the same tools available as in a real economy. A PLEX is analoguos to a bond. The central bank (CCP) can use quantitative easing (buying up PLEX) to reduce the supply of PLEX on the market which will increase the prices. Now the bond (PLEX) will be worth more (in terms of ISK) which will increase the value of PLEX when measured in another currency (i.e. Euro or Dollar). Hence, the demand for Euro/Dollar-purchased PLEX will increase which will enhance CCP's profits.
Edited the OP.
I guess you do have a point with higher plex prices being more attractive to buy and sell for isk and make you more likely to do it
after all here in the uk if i pay for my sub fee direct to CCP (paypal,DD,ect) the cost is -ú9.99 a month (discounted if paying for more game time upfront )
Cost of a PLEX (from ccp's account management page) -ú16.99 a -ú7 difference for you bros in the US/EU thats a difference of $11.97 and Gé¼8.81
so yes CCP makes a lot more off people plexing there account than people paying the standard sub fee.
getting more people to buy plex will increase there profits however there still needs to be demand for said plex and thats where your bond idea makes a certain amount of sense.
BRB need to go make my tinfoil hat
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Poo Sugar
Science and Trade Institute Caldari State
2
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Posted - 2014.07.08 11:28:00 -
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I don't think I've ever posted in a soon to be locked thread before! (Don't delete!) ;) |
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Creamdream
Unlimited Potential
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Posted - 2014.07.08 11:47:00 -
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Emma Muutaras wrote:Creamdream wrote:High plex price means more people wil buy with euro or dollar instead of isk.
The way I see it, is that CCP essentially has the same tools available as in a real economy. A PLEX is analoguos to a bond. The central bank (CCP) can use quantitative easing (buying up PLEX) to reduce the supply of PLEX on the market which will increase the prices. Now the bond (PLEX) will be worth more (in terms of ISK) which will increase the value of PLEX when measured in another currency (i.e. Euro or Dollar). Hence, the demand for Euro/Dollar-purchased PLEX will increase which will enhance CCP's profits.
Edited the OP. I guess you do have a point with higher plex prices being more attractive to buy and sell for isk and make you more likely to do it after all here in the uk if i pay for my sub fee direct to CCP (paypal,DD,ect) the cost is -ú9.99 a month (discounted if paying for more game time upfront ) Cost of a PLEX (from ccp's account management page) -ú16.99 a -ú7 difference for you bros in the US/EU thats a difference of $11.97 and Gé¼8.81 so yes CCP makes a lot more off people plexing there account than people paying the standard sub fee. getting more people to buy plex will increase there profits however there still needs to be demand for said plex and thats where your bond idea makes a certain amount of sense. Think about it ccp buys lets say 500 plex a week off the market increasing the demand while at the same time decreasing the supply, plex prices go up, more people see how much isk they can make for a 1 time payment of -ú16.99. and the beauty of it is the people who use plex to pay there sub fee are still there to buy them. All ccp has done is buy some for the shredder to make buying plex for real -ú/$/Gé¼ even more attractive as you get more for ya buck BRB need to go make my tinfoil hat
Now here's a person who understands things.
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Tippia
Sunshine and Lollipops
22987
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Posted - 2014.07.08 11:52:00 -
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Creamdream wrote:That said, there is equally nothing wrong with admitting that it is extremely unlikely that CCP does not stimulate PLEX inflation. It is in their interest to do so. No, it really isn't, since it means they lose customers. Even the most cursory look at the market data will tell you that higher (ISK) prices do not lead to more (RL) PLEX sales. Going by CCP's own analysis, higher prices only seem to lead to more re-lists and higher velocity GÇö neither of which makes CCP any money and rather works to hide a decrease in PLEX sales.
Quote:High plex price means more people wil buy with euro or dollar instead of isk. In other words, high plex prices means CCP makes less money. GÇ£If you're not willing to fight for what you have in GëívGëí you don't deserve it, and you will lose it.GÇ¥
Get a good start: Newbie skillplan 2.2. |
Creamdream
Unlimited Potential
1
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Posted - 2014.07.08 11:53:00 -
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Ralph King-Griffin wrote:or, plex is analogous to gold. in this case, no tinfoil hat required (still fashionable though). Debora Tsung wrote:Creamdream wrote:Truth is always obstructed by those in power. Dont lock. Discuss. You have no idea where those plexes you buy for ISK come from, do you? I don't think he does
You are only seeing half of the equation. It's not about where they come from. It's where some of them go to. I.e. being bought back by CPP which is analogous to a central bank's quantitative easing (buying back bonds that were issued by themselves/fed government). |
Slade Trillgon
Brutor Force Federated
3010
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Posted - 2014.07.08 11:54:00 -
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Creamdream wrote:Emma Muutaras wrote:Creamdream wrote:High plex price means more people wil buy with euro or dollar instead of isk.
The way I see it, is that CCP essentially has the same tools available as in a real economy. A PLEX is analoguos to a bond. The central bank (CCP) can use quantitative easing (buying up PLEX) to reduce the supply of PLEX on the market which will increase the prices. Now the bond (PLEX) will be worth more (in terms of ISK) which will increase the value of PLEX when measured in another currency (i.e. Euro or Dollar). Hence, the demand for Euro/Dollar-purchased PLEX will increase which will enhance CCP's profits.
Edited the OP. I guess you do have a point with higher plex prices being more attractive to buy and sell for isk and make you more likely to do it after all here in the uk if i pay for my sub fee direct to CCP (paypal,DD,ect) the cost is -ú9.99 a month (discounted if paying for more game time upfront ) Cost of a PLEX (from ccp's account management page) -ú16.99 a -ú7 difference for you bros in the US/EU thats a difference of $11.97 and Gé¼8.81 so yes CCP makes a lot more off people plexing there account than people paying the standard sub fee. getting more people to buy plex will increase there profits however there still needs to be demand for said plex and thats where your bond idea makes a certain amount of sense. Think about it ccp buys lets say 500 plex a week off the market increasing the demand while at the same time decreasing the supply, plex prices go up, more people see how much isk they can make for a 1 time payment of -ú16.99. and the beauty of it is the people who use plex to pay there sub fee are still there to buy them. All ccp has done is buy some for the shredder to make buying plex for real -ú/$/Gé¼ even more attractive as you get more for ya buck BRB need to go make my tinfoil hat Now here's a person who understands things.
Totally makes sense and is totally possible and I even propsed this years ago deep in a thread, but it was over looked. That being said, if an internal e-mail about this actually being in practice was leaked it would probably be the cast iron 9" nail into the heart of the company. |
Tippia
Sunshine and Lollipops
22989
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Posted - 2014.07.08 11:57:00 -
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Creamdream wrote:You are only seeing half of the equation. It's not about where they come from. It's where some of them go to. I.e. being bought back by CPP which is analogous to a central bank's quantitative easing (buying back bonds that were issued by themselves/fed government). It's not that he doesn't see the other half, it's that the other half is zero since they don't buy back any PLEX. GÇ£If you're not willing to fight for what you have in GëívGëí you don't deserve it, and you will lose it.GÇ¥
Get a good start: Newbie skillplan 2.2. |
Emma Muutaras
State War Academy Caldari State
20
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Posted - 2014.07.08 12:05:00 -
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Tippia wrote:Creamdream wrote:You are only seeing half of the equation. It's not about where they come from. It's where some of them go to. I.e. being bought back by CPP which is analogous to a central bank's quantitative easing (buying back bonds that were issued by themselves/fed government). It's not that he doesn't see the other half, it's that the other half is zero since they don't buy back any PLEX.
Come on Tippia join the tin foil hat club you no u wanna
but on a more serious note personally i dont think CCP is manipulating plex prices it would be highly unethical and there would be a uproar within the playing community that would dwarf the monocle riots that almost killed the game
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Tippia
Sunshine and Lollipops
22989
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Posted - 2014.07.08 12:08:00 -
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Emma Muutaras wrote:Come on Tippia join the tin foil hat club you no u wanna No thanks. Tin foil just focuses the mind control ray and then you end up like the OP: insightful as a baked potato. GÇ£If you're not willing to fight for what you have in GëívGëí you don't deserve it, and you will lose it.GÇ¥
Get a good start: Newbie skillplan 2.2. |
Dave Stark
6507
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Posted - 2014.07.08 12:09:00 -
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Tippia wrote:Emma Muutaras wrote:Come on Tippia join the tin foil hat club you no u wanna No thanks. Tin foil just focuses the mind control ray and then you end up like the OP: insightful as a baked potato.
but i like baked potatos.... |
Tippia
Sunshine and Lollipops
22989
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Posted - 2014.07.08 12:10:00 -
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Dave Stark wrote:but i like baked potatos.... There's a difference between liking baked potatoes and being one. GÇ£If you're not willing to fight for what you have in GëívGëí you don't deserve it, and you will lose it.GÇ¥
Get a good start: Newbie skillplan 2.2. |
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ISD Ezwal
ISD Community Communications Liaisons
1817
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Posted - 2014.07.08 12:32:00 -
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Debora Tsung wrote:Creamdream wrote:Truth is always obstructed by those in power. Dont lock. Discuss. You have no idea where those plexes you buy for ISK come from, do you? According to our youngest doughtier they are dug up by dwarfs near her tree hut in the back of our garden.
Gets shovel, sneaks to back of garden.....'I'm going to get rich! Rich I say!....'
Eh....well....yes...I mean....eh no.....maybe not.
Plex are bought from CCP directly or from third parties (who buy them from CCP) with real world money. If redeemed in game they can be sold for in game Isk.
And no, CCP does not manipulate the market, they do how ever intervene once in a great while to stabilise the in-game market under very specific circumstances.
Thread locked.
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