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Tengu Grib
Simple Inc Simple Group
206
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Posted - 2014.07.08 21:14:00 -
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Sibyyl wrote:Out of curiosity, are CODE's alts automatically permit tanked (assuming that these alts always adhere to the code)?
No, our alts are required to purchase and display permits just like everyone else. This is in no small part due to the impossibility of keeping track of everyones alts. Nothing says you can't sell yourself a permit though. Tengu Grib > I agree. The distinct lack of quality spaceships makes RL the worst space sim ever. SolidX > i'm an alt IRL Guilty conscience? Buy a mining permit today. www.minerbumping.com |
Lady Areola Fappington
1996
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Posted - 2014.07.08 21:16:00 -
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Sibyyl wrote:Out of curiosity, are CODE's alts automatically permit tanked (assuming that these alts always adhere to the code)?
For those of us who feel the urge to play in the dirt and mine, yeah, they get permits. In the end, it's chipping in some ISK so your buddies can go have some fun and generate content.
Adhering to the Code, of course we do! Code adherents don't get ganked! It's honestly pretty hard to catch the Skiff who's orbiting a rock, afterburner on, and spooks and runs the second a scout starts getting near.
That, friends, is the secret to dodging most ganks. Fly a tank barge (with a tank fitted) Stay mobile Run when anyone, even a +5 "good guy", invades your personal space. This thread officially has 25% more pssssssshhh than leading competitors. Rick Moranis was never put on death row for shrinking his children. New York exists outside the mind of Billy Joel. A French press is not lifting weights with your tongue out. Lena Dunham is not a girl ventriloquist. |
Cavalira
The Greater Goon Clockwork Pineapple
374
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Posted - 2014.07.09 00:41:00 -
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Lady Areola Fappington wrote: For those of us who feel the urge to play in the dirt and mine, yeah, they get permits. In the end, it's chipping in some ISK so your buddies can go have some fun and generate content.
Paying someone else to have fun with your money.
Implying ganking is actually a fun thing to do. Personally, I get super bored after 10 minutes. |
Kong Kao
State War Academy Caldari State
0
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Posted - 2014.07.09 01:26:00 -
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I thought about buying a permit but then I remembered I had what was it.....oh yeah some self-respect. |
Sabriz Adoudel
Mission BLITZ
3215
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Posted - 2014.07.09 02:21:00 -
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Handar Turiant wrote:Little code interpretation question:
Should one be mining without a permit, does one get the opportunity to purchase it before being suicide ganked, or do the Code Folk gank everything not on their little list without the agent in question offering to purchase redemption through permit?
Think how RL law enforcement officers act.
If I were to enter my local electronics store, sneak a tablet into my bag, leave the store and then get confronted by a store detective, they would not give me the opportunity to purchase the tablet then and there, they'd attempt to arrest me for theft.
The New Order operates in a similar fashion.
When we detect lawbreaking, Agents have the discretion to respond with a warning (possibly a warning bump, possibly a convo), or to respond with an enforcement action (a gank, or a bump that sends them out of range).
Enforcement actions serve three purposes - they provide a warning to other miners, they inflict loss upon the non-compliant, and they also spread knowledge and fear of the Code. https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=346564 - a proposal to overhaul the Logistics skill https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=238931 - an idea for a new form of hybrid PVE/PVP content. www.minerbumping.com - ganking miners and causing chaos |
admiral root
Red Galaxy
1390
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Posted - 2014.07.09 18:24:00 -
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Christo Severasse wrote:morally bankrupt psychopaths.
I think I've identified the source of your problem. :) No, your rights end in optimal+2*falloff |
BeBopAReBop RhubarbPie
Unleashed Pestilence
815
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Posted - 2014.07.09 19:04:00 -
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Thomas Mayaki wrote:BeBopAReBop RhubarbPie wrote: Essentially a permit shown in your bio requires our agents to attempt to contact you through either local or private chat (their choice), and give you a reasonable amount of time (agent's discretion, James 315 gives 5 seconds, I give 30) to respond. If you have not responded within this time, they will begin bumping/ganking.
Quote from the code '- No AFK mining allowed. All miners are expected to remain at their keyboards at all times, and are required to prove their presence by responding in local when requested by the Supreme Protector or one of his Agents.' Since when has being contacted in private chat been an option perhaps the agents should actually read the code rather than just making stuff up? Under the code I am perfectly within my rights to gank someone if they do no respond in local within an amount of time that I deem reasonable. So yes, I could target their ship, hit enter in chat, and then hit f1. I choose to attempt to convo them and give a longer period of time to be more lenient even if it is not required under the code. New player resources: http://wiki.eveuniversity.org/Main_Page - General information http://www.evealtruist.com/p/know-your-enemy.html - Learn to PvP http://belligerentundesirables.com/ - Safaris, Awoxes, Ganking and Griefing-á |
Tengu Grib
Simple Inc Simple Group
211
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Posted - 2014.07.09 21:23:00 -
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BeBopAReBop RhubarbPie wrote:Thomas Mayaki wrote:BeBopAReBop RhubarbPie wrote: Essentially a permit shown in your bio requires our agents to attempt to contact you through either local or private chat (their choice), and give you a reasonable amount of time (agent's discretion, James 315 gives 5 seconds, I give 30) to respond. If you have not responded within this time, they will begin bumping/ganking.
Quote from the code '- No AFK mining allowed. All miners are expected to remain at their keyboards at all times, and are required to prove their presence by responding in local when requested by the Supreme Protector or one of his Agents.' Since when has being contacted in private chat been an option perhaps the agents should actually read the code rather than just making stuff up? Under the code I am perfectly within my rights to gank someone if they do no respond in local within an amount of time that I deem reasonable. So yes, I could target their ship, hit enter in chat, and then hit f1. I choose to attempt to convo them and give a longer period of time to be more lenient even if it is not required under the code.
Proof that BeBopAReBop is an all round nice guy. Tengu Grib > I agree. The distinct lack of quality spaceships makes RL the worst space sim ever. SolidX > i'm an alt IRL Guilty conscience? Buy a mining permit today. www.minerbumping.com |
Thomas Mayaki
Science and Trade Institute Caldari State
7
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Posted - 2014.07.10 14:52:00 -
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Tengu Grib wrote:BeBopAReBop RhubarbPie wrote:Thomas Mayaki wrote:BeBopAReBop RhubarbPie wrote: Essentially a permit shown in your bio requires our agents to attempt to contact you through either local or private chat (their choice), and give you a reasonable amount of time (agent's discretion, James 315 gives 5 seconds, I give 30) to respond. If you have not responded within this time, they will begin bumping/ganking.
Quote from the code '- No AFK mining allowed. All miners are expected to remain at their keyboards at all times, and are required to prove their presence by responding in local when requested by the Supreme Protector or one of his Agents.' Since when has being contacted in private chat been an option perhaps the agents should actually read the code rather than just making stuff up? Under the code I am perfectly within my rights to gank someone if they do no respond in local within an amount of time that I deem reasonable. So yes, I could target their ship, hit enter in chat, and then hit f1. I choose to attempt to convo them and give a longer period of time to be more lenient even if it is not required under the code. Proof that BeBopAReBop is an all round nice guy.
Still a bit confused about the 'or private chat' thing. Yes or No if you don't respond to a private chat request within 5 seconds you will be ganked for being afk?
Also since when did James 315 start ganking that 5 seconds seems to apply to his bumping only. It's easy enough to check. |
BeBopAReBop RhubarbPie
Unleashed Pestilence
826
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Posted - 2014.07.10 16:53:00 -
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Thomas Mayaki wrote:Tengu Grib wrote:BeBopAReBop RhubarbPie wrote:Thomas Mayaki wrote:BeBopAReBop RhubarbPie wrote: Essentially a permit shown in your bio requires our agents to attempt to contact you through either local or private chat (their choice), and give you a reasonable amount of time (agent's discretion, James 315 gives 5 seconds, I give 30) to respond. If you have not responded within this time, they will begin bumping/ganking.
Quote from the code '- No AFK mining allowed. All miners are expected to remain at their keyboards at all times, and are required to prove their presence by responding in local when requested by the Supreme Protector or one of his Agents.' Since when has being contacted in private chat been an option perhaps the agents should actually read the code rather than just making stuff up? Under the code I am perfectly within my rights to gank someone if they do no respond in local within an amount of time that I deem reasonable. So yes, I could target their ship, hit enter in chat, and then hit f1. I choose to attempt to convo them and give a longer period of time to be more lenient even if it is not required under the code. Proof that BeBopAReBop is an all round nice guy. Still a bit confused about the 'or private chat' thing. Yes or No if you don't respond to a private chat request within 5 seconds you will be ganked for being afk? Also since when did James 315 start ganking that 5 seconds seems to apply to his bumping only. It's easy enough to check. James uses Currin Trading as his gank alt. I just give the private chat option because getting a giant popup that so-and-so is inviting you to a conversation is really hard not to notice if you're actually at your keyboard. New player resources: http://wiki.eveuniversity.org/Main_Page - General information http://www.evealtruist.com/p/know-your-enemy.html - Learn to PvP http://belligerentundesirables.com/ - Safaris, Awoxes, Ganking and Griefing-á |
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Tengu Grib
Simple Inc Simple Group
214
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Posted - 2014.07.10 22:16:00 -
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Thomas Mayaki wrote:Still a bit confused about the 'or private chat' thing. Yes or No if you don't respond to a private chat request within 5 seconds you will be ganked for being afk?
Also since when did James 315 start ganking that 5 seconds seems to apply to his bumping only. It's easy enough to check.
The private Convo to check if the person is AFK is not mandatory, in fact even checking in local is not mandatory, if we see you mining and your lasers are off and have been for a few minutes, you're AFK and we don't need to ask you in local to confirm that. If we see your lasers mining and we suspect you are still AFK, then we can check in local, or private convo. The convo is purely a courtesy provided by select agents by their own choice and good graces, I myself do not offer convo's. Tengu Grib > I agree. The distinct lack of quality spaceships makes RL the worst space sim ever. SolidX > i'm an alt IRL Guilty conscience? Buy a mining permit today. www.minerbumping.com |
Voyager Arran
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
394
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Posted - 2014.07.10 22:33:00 -
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If you don't notice my scanning alt scope out your tank or my Catalyst alt getting yelled at by faction police when he undocks, you were probably AFK and can safely be ganked.
I don't even fit points. |
Handar Turiant
University of Caille Gallente Federation
16
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Posted - 2014.07.10 22:51:00 -
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Just a little FYI:
Apparently, noobs in Herons are now also deemed bot aspirant by the CODE gang as they try to figure out the scanning system in the solar system map, thereby obviously missing chat/local (if any is provided), and being deemed AFK.
Several poor noobs in help channel going WTF just happened.
Additionally, a bumper sticker (one assumes in the bio) proclaiming loyalty to the code is also mandatory and lacking one a gankable offense.
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Voyager Arran
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
395
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Posted - 2014.07.10 22:55:00 -
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Blowing up newbies trying to learn the game is actually pretty poor form.
I have fond memories of using google translate to explain to some month-old Russian in an untanked Retriever that Otela was maybe not the best place for him to hang out. |
Handar Turiant
University of Caille Gallente Federation
16
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Posted - 2014.07.10 23:04:00 -
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Voyager Arran wrote:Blowing up newbies trying to learn the game is actually pretty poor form..
this |
BeBopAReBop RhubarbPie
Unleashed Pestilence
830
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Posted - 2014.07.10 23:22:00 -
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Voyager Arran wrote:Blowing up newbies trying to learn the game is actually pretty poor form. I totally agree. If you see this occur, please contact DJentropy or I in game with evidence. I do not condone the deliberate targeting of new players in any way, and as far as I know, CODE. alliance does not either. That said, code compliance is expected, and I hope the pilot involved can be directed to a safer area to complete their tutorial.
If you see players suicide ganking within tutorial systems or soe epic arc systems (targeting new players) remember to file a petition. New player resources: http://wiki.eveuniversity.org/Main_Page - General information http://www.evealtruist.com/p/know-your-enemy.html - Learn to PvP http://belligerentundesirables.com/ - Safaris, Awoxes, Ganking and Griefing-á |
TheDevek
Hykanima Defense Systems
0
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Posted - 2014.07.11 02:15:00 -
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Why doesn't someone just find a list of people that purchased permits and start ganking them?
It would put an end to all this code and permit nonsense lol.
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Handar Turiant
University of Caille Gallente Federation
16
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Posted - 2014.07.11 07:04:00 -
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TheDevek wrote:Why doesn't someone just find a list of people that purchased permits and start ganking them?
It would put an end to all this code and permit nonsense lol.
You could almost argue that buying a permit is in itself bot aspirant behaviour, as devoid of any higher reasoning capabilities, as flushing 10m down the drain. The Code within the Code, against the Code.
Anyone start up a corp to make it so?
CODECEPTION!! |
Erica Dusette
Nighthawk Exploration Anoikis Ronin
12316
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Posted - 2014.07.11 07:15:00 -
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TheDevek wrote:Why doesn't someone just find a list of people that purchased permits and start ganking them?
It would put an end to all this code and permit nonsense lol.
A concept I've wondered about once or twice too.
If CODE actually attempted to provide some form of protection to it's permit holders, as well as immunity to CODE pilot ganks, then it would add a ton of legitimacy to the organization and give it more of a tough-love/educational vibe rather than purely a ganky one.
Gÿá Part-time wormhole pirate | GÖí Full-time super model WH Blog | #420roloswag | Bio |
Handar Turiant
University of Caille Gallente Federation
16
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Posted - 2014.07.11 07:54:00 -
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BeBopAReBop RhubarbPie wrote:Voyager Arran wrote:Blowing up newbies trying to learn the game is actually pretty poor form. I totally agree. If you see this occur, please contact DJentropy or I in game with evidence. I do not condone the deliberate targeting of new players in any way, and as far as I know, CODE. alliance does not either. That said, code compliance is expected, and I hope the pilot involved can be directed to a safer area to complete their tutorial. If you see players suicide ganking within tutorial systems or soe epic arc systems (targeting new players) remember to file a petition.
How about you go look at minerbumping.com for your evidence......
For a diplomat you sure are poor at getting your own politicians in line. Your glorious leader of the revolution just posted a gleeful post about agents popping a 1 month old charachter in a venture, with the agent then following the person into Star Craft 2 to grief them there some more.
As stated above, if the permit would actually mean anything, you could really grow CODE into something. |
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TheDevek
Hykanima Defense Systems
1
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Posted - 2014.07.11 07:55:00 -
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Erica Dusette wrote:TheDevek wrote:Why doesn't someone just find a list of people that purchased permits and start ganking them?
It would put an end to all this code and permit nonsense lol.
A concept I've wondered about once or twice too. If CODE actually attempted to provide some form of protection to it's permit holders, as well as immunity to CODE pilot ganks, then it would add a ton of legitimacy to the organization and give it more of a tough-love/educational vibe rather than purely a ganky one. Well in real life paying off the mafia is just smart business sense. You get better protection than the police could ever provide and you gain additional services.
You can't protect yourself in high sec, and you certainty can't protect anyone else.
What would be better would be an insurance model for high sec miners and it might actually please both sides because the insuring agent could set rules(e.g. fits, behavior, systems) and their advice and suggestions would be better received by new players than a group who is out to kill them. |
Erica Dusette
Nighthawk Exploration Anoikis Ronin
12326
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Posted - 2014.07.11 08:24:00 -
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TheDevek wrote:You can't protect yourself in high sec, and you certainty can't protect anyone else. Wow, I don't think we're playing the same EVE then.
Gÿá Part-time wormhole pirate | GÖí Full-time super model WH Blog | #420roloswag | Bio |
Soylent Jade
New Order Logistics CODE.
139
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Posted - 2014.07.11 12:39:00 -
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TheDevek wrote:Why doesn't someone just find a list of people that purchased permits and start ganking them?
It would put an end to all this code and permit nonsense lol.
Ah yes, the "why doesn't someone do something" lament. Here's an idea...why don't *you*? Making hisec better...one Catalyst at a time
minerbumping.com |
Christina Project
Deeper Feelings Inc.
253
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Posted - 2014.07.11 15:03:00 -
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Soylent Jade wrote:TheDevek wrote:Why doesn't someone just find a list of people that purchased permits and start ganking them?
It would put an end to all this code and permit nonsense lol.
Ah yes, the "why doesn't someone do something" lament. Here's an idea...why don't *you*? They're all alike.
Just like Dryson. Tell others to do ****, while not doing it.
Wannabe leaders. Wannabe tough guys. Wannabe whatever.
I am sick of these people. Deeper Feelings Inc. - Selling reality ... as fiction. ;) http://residentoutlaw.tumblr.com - #3 Uedama. sigh... can't even make a proper sig. :/
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Lady Areola Fappington
2033
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Posted - 2014.07.11 15:06:00 -
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TheDevek wrote:Why doesn't someone just find a list of people that purchased permits and start ganking them?
It would put an end to all this code and permit nonsense lol.
Yes, please please please do this. It would do nothing but help us out.
Permits are a tiny, tiny, tiny portion of New Order income, anymore. We make the vast majority of our income off the content we generate and post to share.
So yes, please, go gank permit holders. I'm positive the stories we get out of THAT will be good for quite a few million ISK. This thread officially has 25% more pssssssshhh than leading competitors. Rick Moranis was never put on death row for shrinking his children. New York exists outside the mind of Billy Joel. A French press is not lifting weights with your tongue out. Lena Dunham is not a girl ventriloquist. |
Tear Jar
The Conference Elite CODE.
108
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Posted - 2014.07.12 01:35:00 -
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Ria Nieyli wrote:Lady Areola Fappington wrote:Ria Nieyli wrote: If you're not afk, you don't actually need a permit to avoid getting ganked.
If you're afk, it's a violation of the agreement between the two parties, so it won't help you avoid getting ganked.
So why get one at all?
This one.....this one thinks way too much. She may become a problem. Now, in all seriousness, you are kind of hitting the point behind a lot of New Order actions right on the head. We want people to realise they're playing a multiplayer game, with other people, who can and will influence their gameplay. If you're awake, ATK, paying attention, and doing all those "I don't wanna be ganked" things, it's kind of a moral victory for us. You're PLAYING EVE, not just running the EVE client while watching ****. I mean, we still want that permit fee and all, but...moral victory! So, leaving that aside, what would be the actual benefits of purchasing a mining permit? Honestly, I think it could be a great product, I'm just having a hard time understanding why people would want it.
Permits do make it much less likely for CODE agents to gank you. Most of the time we convo permit holders or alert them in local before ganks.
In the few instances where someone has been ganked while at their keyboard with a permit, I have seen the miner get reimbursed.
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Tear Jar
The Conference Elite CODE.
108
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Posted - 2014.07.12 01:44:00 -
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TheDevek wrote:Why doesn't someone just find a list of people that purchased permits and start ganking them?
It would put an end to all this code and permit nonsense lol.
Because most miners are unorganized and don't want to put effort into their play. Organized groups with a skilled body guard or two are extremely hard to gank. |
Tengu Grib
Simple Inc Simple Group
218
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Posted - 2014.07.13 05:42:00 -
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Tear Jar wrote:TheDevek wrote:Why doesn't someone just find a list of people that purchased permits and start ganking them?
It would put an end to all this code and permit nonsense lol.
Because most miners are unorganized and lazy. Organized groups with a skilled body guard or two are extremely hard to gank. If the mining community was capable of banding together and organizing to stop us, then CODE. wouldn't be needed.
There was actually a group of 5 combat ships in the ice belt in our home system one night, and nothing but tanked skiffs mining. They didn't seem to understand that I considered that situation a victory, it was truly a wonderful sight to see. If they had all been permit holders it would have been perfection, but it was a really good start and exactly in the spirit of what Code is trying to encourage.
It should be noted that despite all their boasting in local they still wouldn't duel me, even when I sent a duel invite to two or three of them at the same time. Oh well. Tengu Grib > I agree. The distinct lack of quality spaceships makes RL the worst space sim ever. SolidX > i'm an alt IRL Guilty conscience? Buy a mining permit today. www.minerbumping.com |
Ria Nieyli
12592
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Posted - 2014.07.13 10:04:00 -
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Tengu Grib wrote:Tear Jar wrote:TheDevek wrote:Why doesn't someone just find a list of people that purchased permits and start ganking them?
It would put an end to all this code and permit nonsense lol.
Because most miners are unorganized and lazy. Organized groups with a skilled body guard or two are extremely hard to gank. If the mining community was capable of banding together and organizing to stop us, then CODE. wouldn't be needed. There was actually a group of 5 combat ships in the ice belt in our home system one night, and nothing but tanked skiffs mining. They didn't seem to understand that I considered that situation a victory, it was truly a wonderful sight to see. If they had all been permit holders it would have been perfection, but it was a really good start and exactly in the spirit of what Code is trying to encourage. It should be noted that despite all their boasting in local they still wouldn't duel me, even when I sent a duel invite to two or three of them at the same time. Oh well.
"We didn't want to gank those miners anyway"
Dude, come the **** on... Do not remove a fly from your friend's forehead with a hatchet.
- Ancient Chinese Proverb |
Azov Rassau
The Hornets Cartel
62
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Posted - 2014.07.13 10:06:00 -
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Voyager Arran wrote:If you don't notice my scanning alt scope out your tank or my Catalyst alt getting yelled at by faction police when he undocks, you were probably AFK and can safely be ganked.
I don't even fit points.
Voyager Arran wrote:Blowing up newbies trying to learn the game is actually pretty poor form.
I have fond memories of using google translate to explain to some month-old Russian in an untanked Retriever that Otela was maybe not the best place for him to hang out. I remember your ganking ops in Otela. You used to say in local: "I was unsubbed for like three months, do we have vigilantes in Otela now?" On D-Scan I used to see your Catalyst funnily named as "Rock Saviour" along with your spotter&looter in that humble Imicus.
If you're still ganking there, especially at the ice belt, either purchase an exclusive, 1-year ganking permit from a local white knight (lel) or fit some ECCM (which you already do IIRC). Because Otela is known for its mostly organized ECM opposition (and other things) which might cause serious electronic failure to your Catalyst. After gankers failed, we used to say "Just forget Otela".
At least that's how Otela was before I left there. Maybe things have changed, who knows? No AFKing. -áSafety First. -áUse D-Scan, Check Local. -áBe Alert. |
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