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Zileana Nightwind
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Posted - 2003.09.29 14:22:00 -
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As a peacful trader I was trying to find out what is going on with the war in curse as the raise of the Curse Coalition is one of the last things I whould like to see concidering the way they have acted previously. So I contaced a representative of EV to try to set things straight and all I was met with was insults and accusations of being a Sinister alt without really getting one single answer. I hope these two people are not representative for the rest of you as you are one of the SA corps I have had a great deal of respect for up until now.
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Channelname: Claveman conversation Listener: Zileana Nightwind Session started: 2003.09.29 13:21:17
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[ 2003.09.29 13:21:44 ] Claveman > Hello [ 2003.09.29 13:22:22 ] Claveman > What can I do for you? [ 2003.09.29 13:23:11 ] Zileana Nightwind > I just want to ask how you can vouch support for Curse
Coalition [ 2003.09.29 13:23:33 ] Zileana Nightwind > I understand your situation with SINC and RUS but they are
nothign but backstabbers [ 2003.09.29 13:24:13 ] Zileana Nightwind > I have several friends among the Curse corps and those so
called CC are newcomers that have been conspiring from day one [ 2003.09.29 13:24:23 ] Zileana Nightwind > against really honorable and good people like the nomads [ 2003.09.29 13:24:28 ] Claveman > We are winning the war without any problem or setbacks I can replace my
battleships in minutes. [ 2003.09.29 13:24:48 ] Claveman > Where they are the only ones suffering at this time [ 2003.09.29 13:25:08 ] Zileana Nightwind > War is not about winning only. It's about walking out of the
battle with your head high [ 2003.09.29 13:25:19 ] Zileana Nightwind > That was not my point [ 2003.09.29 13:25:33 ] Zileana Nightwind > YOu openly support covards and backstabbers on the open boards [ 2003.09.29 13:25:34 ] Claveman > I understand you guys have been getting targeted [ 2003.09.29 13:25:44 ] Zileana Nightwind > I am not with them [ 2003.09.29 13:25:49 ] Claveman > and I sympathize with you [ 2003.09.29 13:25:51 ] Zileana Nightwind > I am completely neutral in this [ 2003.09.29 13:26:08 ] Claveman > I understand that but look at it from my standpoint [ 2003.09.29 13:26:18 ] Claveman > We dont know who the enemy is all the time [ 2003.09.29 13:26:28 ] Claveman > We dont know who is supporting them [ 2003.09.29 13:26:31 ] Zileana Nightwind > I only know that these so called Curse Coalition came to curse
and have done nothing but trying to drive out the people there [ 2003.09.29 13:26:41 ] Claveman > We dont know who is spying for them [ 2003.09.29 13:26:45 ] Zileana Nightwind > employing pirate corps to disturb the people who live there [ 2003.09.29 13:27:25 ] Claveman > Everlasting Vendetta employs no such people [ 2003.09.29 13:27:33 ] Claveman > SA is not EV [ 2003.09.29 13:27:41 ] Claveman > please dont confuse the two [ 2003.09.29 13:27:46 ] Claveman > yes we are SA [ 2003.09.29 13:28:01 ] Claveman > but our corp is based on firm principles [ 2003.09.29 13:28:12 ] Claveman > We employ no Pirates [ 2003.09.29 13:28:29 ] Zileana Nightwind > No but the people in Nexus you openly voach support for on the
boards do [ 2003.09.29 13:28:45 ] Zileana Nightwind > SINC came to help nomads and other respected corps [ 2003.09.29 13:29:00 ] Zileana Nightwind > with a true intent to shy away from piracy [ 2003.09.29 13:29:01 ] Claveman > SINC has no honor [ 2003.09.29 13:29:13 ] Zileana Nightwind > SINC has more honor then most people in this game [ 2003.09.29 13:29:28 ] Claveman > We have an Everlasting Vendetta against SINC [ 2003.09.29 13:29:41 ] Zileana Nightwind > they might be pirates but they do it as a part of this game [ 2003.09.29 13:30:00 ] Claveman > I understand that they choose a path [ 2003.09.29 13:30:01 ] Zileana Nightwind > I have encountered them alot as I am syndicate based [ 2003.09.29 13:30:29 ] Zileana Nightwind > Yes they shoot people that comes into their territory without
paying but they stand by their word if you have a deal with them [ 2003.09.29 13:30:46 ] Zileana Nightwind > I have passed their blockades many many ties unharmed [ 2003.09.29 13:31:01 ] Claveman > are you coming to me because they want to make a deal with us? [ 2003.09.29 13:31:09 ] Zileana Nightwind > While stain shot me down the moment I jumped in [ 2003.09.29 13:31:19 ] Zileana Nightwind > I have no official connection with them [ 2003.09.29 13:31:29 ] Claveman > I am a Military commander in the middle of a War! [ 2003.09.29 13:31:35 ] Zileana Nightwind > I want to know where you really stand in this and what your
reasons behind this really are [ 2003.09.29 13:31:52 ] Claveman > I take my job very seriously I role play it to the max [ 2003.09.29 13:32:11 ] Zileana Nightwind > I have billions and billions of isk and BPs and miner
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Mr Blonde
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Posted - 2003.09.29 14:35:00 -
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Ummm your saying the Curse Coalition employs pirates, while the CA still has pirate blockades in Syndicate??
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Zileana Nightwind
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Posted - 2003.09.29 14:40:00 -
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I have not been to curse since the start of the war as you should understand. I know however how things were prior to this. Anyone thinking the curse conflict is new don't know what is going on really. I know there are pirate corps in CA but I don't think they are stupid enough to intentionally attack their own allies. My expeience from these pirate corps is that they are indeed killing people quite ruthlessly but they do stand by their word. Sure some members have gone on a killing spree but so has indivisuals from Evol and MASS. Two corps that are in many ways similar to SINC in my eyes. Only differens is that those two choose to do their fighting in the big alliances.
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Mr Blonde
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Posted - 2003.09.29 14:53:00 -
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Ummm they dont kill their allies, but they kill everyone else that runs across them, anywhere in 0.0 space. This means they are pirates, and have lots of enemies.
The rest is pretty easy to figure out |
Zileana Nightwind
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Posted - 2003.09.29 15:00:00 -
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Well it's hardly a secret Sinister are pirates but obviously they are now fighting for the Curse corps. If they just wanted to keep on pirating I see no reason why they whould be doing this. They might want to use it as a base of operations in a war against stain but if that is indeed their intent then they have as valid reasons as any of the other alliances for what they are doing. My personal belief is that SA and FA are simply bored and want to do some fighting. What they fail to see, or perhaps simply neglect, is the impact their actions have on the rest of us.
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Cormyat Astara
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Posted - 2003.09.29 15:47:00 -
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Edited by: Cormyat Astara on 29/09/2003 15:47:44 Ummm...maybe he was a bit standoffish because there are SOME people who might publish whatever he said in private on the public forums and try to make the conversation seem meaningful when, in fact, nothing meaningful was said?
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Jade Constantine
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Posted - 2003.09.29 16:10:00 -
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Zileana, you should consider applying for a job inside Taggart PR. They are looking for one or two seasoned professional spin-doctors to explain away the M3G4 collapse.
Love and peace
JF Public Forum |
Zileana Nightwind
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Posted - 2003.09.29 16:36:00 -
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Tell me again why I whould like to do that Jade. I appear to have forgotten.
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Civil Deity
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Posted - 2003.09.29 16:55:00 -
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Lol Jade that was halarious.
Zileana I have no idea what you are trying to say. What you are trying to acomplish and what the point of that log was referring to.
1) We have openly declared several times on the forums that it is an open war zone and those who dont stop to report from a planet in order to have their corp checked off will be shot down. The enemy uses, newbs, shuttles, industries from newb corps all of the above in order to fuel themselves. All pilots randomly jumping into this declaired war zone will be destroyed this is no secret. Its the rules of war. If you wished to stay alive you shouldn't have come.
2) The curse coalition just left not even 12 hours ago their allaince with the CA. It looks like you were going down there to help them. If that was the case you should have taken proper steps to ensure your safety.
3) I apologize you were shot down, but you openly said you resepct sinister and started supporting the bad guys, what are we supposed to do.
GO back to the inteior or join up with Sinq. Your posts are not welcome and nothing more than mere porpoganda.
Civil Deity
Wanna kill pirates? Join EV! Join SA! check us out: www.everlastingvendetta.com
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Alynthir
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Posted - 2003.09.29 16:56:00 -
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Zileana,
The Curse Coalition is against Sinister and the other pirate corps. Period. All that has happened in Curse is that Sin moved in and made nice with the local thugs, signed an NA with the CA and started shooting anything than came into or tried to escape from Curse.
Sorry, but Nexus and the CC will not be associated with that sort of lawless activity. Why you think Sinister actually was being honest about turning over a new leaf is beyond me. _____ CLS Civil Affairs Bureau
"Permanent = Today's Plan."
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Jade Constantine
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Posted - 2003.09.29 16:56:00 -
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Lots of reasons really, but this one sold it ...
Quote: [ 2003.09.29 13:32:11 ] Zileana Nightwind > I have billions and billions of isk and BPs and miner
The flawless mingling of pointless spinning and conversational entrappment with huge boastful claims of wealth.
You seem a perfect fit.
Love and peace
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Darger VonReign
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Posted - 2003.09.29 17:01:00 -
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Uhh I don't get it. Was this post supposed to reflect badly on this Claveman fellow? Seems he was overly patient with you considering you were doing more preaching than questioning.
By the way, you sound anything but "completely neutral" in that log.
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Rust
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Posted - 2003.09.29 17:12:00 -
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Nightwind, I do not understand what you are getting at?
The conversation shows you ranting, and EV representative being polite and trying to answer whenever you gave him a chance.
You also say that it is reasonable for RUS and Sinister to use Curse as a base to attack SA. I think it is perfectly reasonable too, but the tone of your post suggests that you think it is wrong for SA to attack them in Curse, or for Corps in Stain to object to being used by RUS and Sinister as cannon fodder.
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Zileana Nightwind
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Posted - 2003.09.29 17:59:00 -
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Anyone bothering to read what I really say can see clearly that I am not questioning SA attacking CA but the fact that they are basically giving the region to people in CC that I have had a really bad experience of prior to this whole thing.
And I have no idea what you are trying to point out with you 1,2,3... post. I have not been in the warzone. I have not been shot down in curse. I had this conversation sitting in a station in gallente space.
And do you seriously call avoiding my questions and insulting my integrity for patientiently listening. I turned to EV becuase I think they are a reasonable corp and that I whould be able to get something else then the common forumpropaganda but all they did was throw that same stuff at me.
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Hammering You
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Posted - 2003.09.29 18:55:00 -
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Quote: Well it's hardly a secret Sinister are pirates but obviously they are now fighting for the Curse corps. If they just wanted to keep on pirating I see no reason why they whould be doing this. They might want to use it as a base of operations in a war against stain but if that is indeed their intent then they have as valid reasons as any of the other alliances for what they are doing. My personal belief is that SA and FA are simply bored and want to do some fighting. What they fail to see, or perhaps simply neglect, is the impact their actions have on the rest of us.
Erm so what your saying is that players who attain all they can in the game and are bored should not go for some pvp action? In my humble opinion it is great that these corporatations such as Evol go kick the sh1t out of pirates and corporations that associate with pirates. It will keep them busy so the rest of us can get on with our lives. CA made themselves a target the day they agreed to let pirate corps join with them. I'm not sure if you are just a pirate alt trying to get some pitty. If not I'd like to hear why you actually complain about the current situation?
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Intruders
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Posted - 2003.09.29 19:02:00 -
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Quote: Civil Deity Minmatar Everlasting Vendetta
Zileana I have no idea what you are trying to say. What you are trying to acomplish and what the point of that log was referring to.
1) We have openly declared several times on the forums that it is an open war zone and those who dont stop to report from a planet in order to have their corp checked off will be shot down. The enemy uses, newbs, shuttles, industries from newb corps all of the above in order to fuel themselves. All pilots randomly jumping into this declaired war zone will be destroyed this is no secret. Its the rules of war. If you wished to stay alive you shouldn't have come.
Civil Deity, personaly I haven\ never been attacked by those pirates you mention, you actions declaring war, cost me a hell of a pile of money, will the offended corporations by the declaration of war by SA and FA against Curse Alliance and every inocent bystander get compensated for their loses of income?
Thank you.
Zileana you name a certain corporation about hiring pirates to harass the old members of Curse since I believe I redise with this fellow Fubie in the same system I would apreciate it to send me more data so I can protect myself. I would have a realy hard time to relocate and since this person never responds to his convo. I would like someone else to tell me what to expect or not. If all the above are true, which I hope they arent, should be reasonable that people like that cannot be trusted.
Every man lives..but not every man dies!
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Joshua Calvert
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Posted - 2003.09.29 20:30:00 -
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Claveman usually isn't that talkative.
LEEEEERRRRRRRRRRROOOOOOOOOYYYYYYYYYYYYYYY! |
Alynthir
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Posted - 2003.09.29 20:58:00 -
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Quote: Zileana you name a certain corporation about hiring pirates to harass the old members of Curse since I believe I redise with this fellow Fubie in the same system I would apreciate it to send me more data so I can protect myself.
No one hired Sinister or any other pirates to do anything. Seeing as how the CC is at war with these pirates, Fubie is the last person you have to fear unless you open fire on a CC member. Regardless, Curse is far from safe at the moment, so be sure to keep an eye on the map at all times. _____ CLS Civil Affairs Bureau
"Permanent = Today's Plan."
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Intruders
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Posted - 2003.09.29 21:25:00 -
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Thank you for that clarification, I hope its official. It was not to my intentions to harass any Nexus members.
Every man lives..but not every man dies!
My sig sux |
Civil Deity
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Posted - 2003.09.29 21:43:00 -
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Those who are truly innocent i will compensate, but those who never come to me but call us a bunch of trigger happy pirates what can I do for them? Nothing.
I look at it as the CA using civilians as sheilds. They use dupes, they use friendly corps they use what every they can to sneak by our ranks in order to re-fuel and re-supply. Which is a fine tactic, because it works on several fronts, 1) those that claim to be innocent and we let go get through with precious cargo. 2) those who are truly innocent and get shot down make SA look like the bad guy.
So the CA's tactic here is working nicely, but I will say it again, there is no reason to be going east through HED other than to see the CA or the SA or perhaps hunt pirates for projectile or laser damage. But now is not the time for that it is a war zone and hunt pirates in a few after the enemy has been destroyed.
Zileana i failed to see what your initial question is. But I have answered the generic answer that all get coming through the aera.
If you have been shot down and are innocent contact me we'll work something out. Civil Deity
Wanna kill pirates? Join EV! Join SA! check us out: www.everlastingvendetta.com
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The Reclaimer
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Posted - 2003.09.29 22:03:00 -
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Quote: Ummm they dont kill their allies, but they kill everyone else that runs across them, anywhere in 0.0 space. This means they are pirates, and have lots of enemies.
The rest is pretty easy to figure out
Thus by your definition Stain and Fountain are pirates. They kill ppl just for being near their area's.
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FlyinFish Shriker
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Posted - 2003.09.29 22:28:00 -
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Quote: Anyone bothering to read what I really say can see clearly that I am not questioning SA attacking CA but the fact that they are basically giving the region to people in CC that I have had a really bad experience of prior to this whole thing.
Can I read this as you don't want CA to move out of Curse neither want CC to move in?
Oh well, I want CCP to move out of their office and some other guys who treats me better to move in too. But I certainly will just keep this idea as a joke. "Death is just the beginning..." |
Intruders
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Posted - 2003.09.29 23:13:00 -
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Quote: Alynthir
No one hired Sinister or any other pirates to do anything. Seeing as how the CC is at war with these pirates, Fubie is the last person you have to fear unless you open fire on a CC member. Regardless, Curse is far from safe at the moment, so be sure to keep an eye on the map at all times.
Alynthir I respect your manner, I had a bit of a disturbing discussion with a person named Dobbo who from what I understood tried to scare me about something since Nexus will start patrolling from now on..and they doesnt like people who say that Nexus coops with Pirates. Being straightforward I told him to be more exact and clarify to me if Nexus sees me as a hostile, prob is he didnt clarify anythink. Im not hostile to Nexus but if anyone wants to say something to me using middle men looks lame. This guy anyway doesnt belong to Nexus but I see him with your people. He belongs to Scope(go figure). He also mentioned something about your CEO Fubie, if Fubie has something to say to me, he should go ahead and say it. I would be pleased if Nexus has something to say to me in person since they re neighbors in the same system with me where my HQ resides. Thanks.
Quote: Civil Deity
Those who are truly innocent i will compensate, but those who never come to me but call us a bunch of trigger happy pirates what can I do for them? Nothing.
Since Iam an innocent, I would like to receive 2 apocalypse bps around 5 implants and about 30 mil. for compensation, since my external afairs, traveling, ore acquisition, hunting bounty, module acquisition and trading were hintered because of the war declaration from SA FA to CA. Thank you.
Hope I start a trent where all the affected innocents get to demand for compensation from the corps or alliances that declare war on somewhere..never hurts to ask..
Every man lives..but not every man dies!
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Zileana Nightwind
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Posted - 2003.09.30 08:45:00 -
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Edited by: Zileana Nightwind on 30/09/2003 13:50:25 I have no problems replacing my ship so I don't want any refunding from anyone. I have not entered the warzone and have no intention of doing so. My intent with this conversation was to get a statement of what SA:s relation to this Curse Coalition was, as I have some buisness in curse and frankly don't want to see them rule the region. I have some means to help either side in this conflict and I wanted to really make sure of the situation before I did anything. I don't like the attitude of "you are just a lone person your oppinion don't matter"/"We have infinite resources so wahtever you can do is of no value to us" that these EV people showed so I posted the log here with the hope that some of the honorable and good people in EV that I have came to respect earlier whould step forward and give me some rael answers.
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p0ma
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Posted - 2003.09.30 12:36:00 -
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Edited by: p0ma on 30/09/2003 12:43:19 I had no quomes with SA until Clavechild and his Quadruple Ego came storming into my part of Curse on Sunday boasting about building 20-30 BB's a day, being teh 1337-z0r, blah blah blah.
He was pod killing friends of mine that he knew damn well were not a part of CA or SA. He justified it by claiming my friends and I "provide a local economy for local pirate corporations therefor are to be treated as pirate-freindly".
Well now Claveman has some new enemies now that can do far worse things to him than boring, buggy, MMORPG PvP'ing.
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The Wretch
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Posted - 2003.09.30 13:41:00 -
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Wretch's Toy was passing thru the HED-GP system in a shuttle to explore a couple "unamed" regions. She saw the system had Everlasting Vendetta in it and figure it would be safe to pass through with out harm.
When she got to the gate to leave the system her shuttle was locked and destroyed, but her pod managed to jump thru (she did not say if you all tried to pod her or not).
I thought this was funny at first but now it is starting to irritate me the more I think about it. I would appreciate it if you could replace her shuttle and let her be on her way to explore. She is docked in Stain at the station at your outer most system.
I don't know what actions are needed to be done to allow a lone traveller safe passage through one of your blockades so please email them to me.
Thanks.
The Wretch Cyberdyne Systems CEO
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Scrapyard Jack
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Posted - 2003.09.30 13:45:00 -
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Quote: Wretch's Toy was passing thru the HED-GP system in a shuttle to explore a couple "unamed" regions.
Eejit!
Scrapyard Jack is reasonably sure you're the type to skateboard through Baghdad and complain about being run over by a tank.
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The Wretch
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Posted - 2003.09.30 13:51:00 -
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"Scrapyard Jack is reasonably sure you're the type to skateboard through Baghdad and complain about being run over by a tank."
Well it's kind of why I laughed about it first. But seeing that EV is a trusted corporation (and still is), I can see where her guard would be let down.
I don't know. Maybe EV is not the corporation I thought it was. I believe in giving everyone the benefit of the doubt at first.
The Wretch Cyberdyne Systems CEO
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Scrapyard Jack
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Posted - 2003.09.30 13:53:00 -
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Quote: I don't know. Maybe EV is not the corporation I thought it was. I believe in giving everyone the benefit of the doubt at first.
ehehehe!
EV's a corporation at war and not taking any chances. Immoral, reprehensible, brutal.. but smart.
Scrapyard Jack is tempted to fill out an application.
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Alynthir
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Posted - 2003.09.30 13:58:00 -
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Quote:
Quote: Alynthir
No one hired Sinister or any other pirates to do anything. Seeing as how the CC is at war with these pirates, Fubie is the last person you have to fear unless you open fire on a CC member. Regardless, Curse is far from safe at the moment, so be sure to keep an eye on the map at all times.
Alynthir I respect your manner, I had a bit of a disturbing discussion with a person named Dobbo who from what I understood tried to scare me about something since Nexus will start patrolling from now on..and they doesnt like people who say that Nexus coops with Pirates. Being straightforward I told him to be more exact and clarify to me if Nexus sees me as a hostile, prob is he didnt clarify anythink. Im not hostile to Nexus but if anyone wants to say something to me using middle men looks lame. This guy anyway doesnt belong to Nexus but I see him with your people. He belongs to Scope(go figure). He also mentioned something about your CEO Fubie, if Fubie has something to say to me, he should go ahead and say it. I would be pleased if Nexus has something to say to me in person since they re neighbors in the same system with me where my HQ resides. Thanks.
Dobbo is one of our BS pilots and I will speak with him and find out what happened here. If you are a resident of Curse and not affiliated with the CC or CA, unfortunately you're in a rather scary grey area. Please understand that the Paranoia Monster is biting everyone right now.
I'm fairly certian that Stain is going to shoot first and ask questions later, and I can't say I blame them in this situation. As for my own pilots, and those of the other CC members, I can only suggest that you check local and make your intentions clear to any CC pilots that might be in the area. And, for heaven's sake, if you see 20 or 50 peeople in local, head on out or hide at a moon because things are probably about to get bloody.
If you have any further concerns, feel free to contact me in game. _____ CLS Civil Affairs Bureau
"Permanent = Today's Plan."
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