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Sister Rosemary
Home for Wayward Girls
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Posted - 2014.07.10 15:05:00 -
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I had originally intended to use this toon for scouting and ice mining, but I'd like to branch out a little and do something different....different for me anyway....so I'm thinking of getting my feet wet in a bit of WH exploration with a large side of indy hunting.
This is the Purifier fit that I set up rather quickly:
Highs:
Prototype 'Arbalest' Torp Launcher x 3 Covert Ops Cloak II Core Probe Launcher
Med:
Phased Weapon Navigation Array x 2 Limited 1mn MWD
Low:
Ballistic Control System II x 2
Ammo: Caldari Navy Inferno Torps Sisters Scanner Probes
Rigs;
Not sure.
The fit is tight, but doable without implants. I still have 1 empty low slot, and I haven't put rigs on yet because I'm not sure what to use there. The tank is lacking, but I'm under the impression that's the nature of the bomber anyway. I'm currently training missile skills, but I'll start venturing into the unknown before I get T2 weapon systems.
Thoughts? Helpful comments?
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Freya Shimane
Cut Throats And Wise Guys
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Posted - 2014.07.10 15:36:00 -
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First, I would use Mjolnir torps in a Purifier for the EM damage bonus. Second, you will need a point or they'll just run.
I really don't think you'll have a problem applying damage to exhumers. Drop the target painters and throw a Medium Shield Extender on there so you don't die when a a flight of hobgoblins look at you funny. Jam a warp disruptor in the last midslot. It will be pretty tight on cpu.
Here's a pretty standard fit:
[Purifier, ESAD] Co-Processor II Ballistic Control System II Ballistic Control System II
1MN Afterburner II Warp Disruptor II Medium F-S9 Regolith Shield Induction
Torpedo Launcher II Torpedo Launcher II Torpedo Launcher II Covert Ops Cloaking Device II Core Probe Launcher I
Small Processor Overclocking Unit I Small Warhead Rigor Catalyst I |
Daniel Plain
Science and Trade Institute Caldari State
2067
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Posted - 2014.07.10 17:03:00 -
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confirming that a set of light drones will chew up an untanked stealth bomber faster than you can read this sentence.
"I don't troll, I just give overly blunt responses that annoy people who are wrong but don't want to admit it. It's not my fault that people have sensitive feelings" -MXZF |
Sister Rosemary
Home for Wayward Girls
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Posted - 2014.07.10 17:17:00 -
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Ah right. Completely forgot about using faction specific damage for the torps and putting a point on. lol Thanks for the reminder and the input. |
Kaarous Aldurald
ROC Deep Space The ROC
7752
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Posted - 2014.07.11 05:21:00 -
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Wormhole fits by necessity are rather heavy on tank. They'll also eat a stealth bomber for breakfast a lot of the time. A stealth bomber is really useful for scouting, as compared to a T2 explorer frigate it can throw out a decent amount of dps once the real tacklers arrive.
But as far as solo hunting, a T3 is a better option, especially a Proteus. "Verily, I have often laughed at the weaklings who thought themselves good because they had no claws."
Clean Up Local 2014.-á |
Chris Winter
Zephyr Corp V.A.S.T.
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Posted - 2014.07.11 06:29:00 -
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SBs are fine for some kinds of WH hunting as long as you know your limits. You probably won't be able to kill combat ships running sites. Failfit noctises salvaging are a good bet, but be careful, some of them can bite back. Industrials moving through WHs are also a good bet, although you need to catch them on a J->J WH and be prepared to follow them through. If you see an industrial moving through a WH system, you might also be able to set up a bubble trap for his return trip.
Ironically, while moving up to a Proteus or other cloaky T3 (or stratios, I suppose) will allow you to kill site runners, it hampers your ability to catch industrials due to the lock delay and the longer lock time. |
Justin Zaine
Unexploded Ordnance
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Posted - 2014.07.16 07:01:00 -
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Quote:Ironically, while moving up to a Proteus or other cloaky T3 (or stratios, I suppose) will allow you to kill site runners, it hampers your ability to catch industrials due to the lock delay and the longer lock time.
This is very true. The lack of targeting delay on the bombers makes them great ships for getting initial point, and there's also a surprise factor involved when the target sees a bomber uncloak and lock him out of nowhere.
T3 is also an option for you but there's nothing more annoying than having the first ship you've seen in a week get away because you couldn't lock him in time, Though there are ways around this. Namely the uncloak-by-bumping method.
You need to weigh the benefits of skilling into a T3. Sure you get more capability but: 20-ish days for a bomber versus 60 + days for a T3. 40 mil to replace a bomber or 300 + mil including a 4 day retrain on the sub that loses SP. If you're just looking for a little adventure on the side, a bomber is the way to go and you'll get way more bang for your buck.
My recommendation for that purifier fit is to go with speed. If you're fast it will cause tracking issues with their drones, extending your life somewhat. If you're not fast enough, it's only a matter of time before their drones chew through you and death is a certain thing.
There used to be a dude with a female toon that flew with BB for ages...Used to camp out wormholes, solo and **** face in his bombers. Used nano fits IIRC. Had a KB that could put H!tler to shame. Really wish I could remember his name but his most memorable piece of advice to me was "If you fly solo in a bomber, prepare to die. A lot." I sing for nobody |
Avern
Caldari Provisions Caldari State
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Posted - 2014.07.16 07:26:00 -
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Looks like OP and I share the same interests (Except I'd fly a manticore, being caldari).
Is a bomber worth being a "Practice" machine for T3 (While also skilling up to it) or is it so much death raining down from you from explorer frigates that you'd just come away with "This sucks, 90% death". |
Justin Zaine
Unexploded Ordnance
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Posted - 2014.07.16 07:34:00 -
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Avern wrote:Looks like OP and I share the same interests (Except I'd fly a manticore, being caldari).
Is a bomber worth being a "Practice" machine for T3 (While also skilling up to it) or is it so much death raining down from you from explorer frigates that you'd just come away with "This sucks, 90% death".
In my experience, it is a very practical "practice" ship. Everything you do while hunting targets up until the time when you get that first target lock will be virtually the same; only the engagement itself will be different. I'm not gonna try comparing tactics between bomber piloting and proteus piloting, cause they're wayyyy different, but yes. It's possible to practice for a T3 while you wait, flying a bomber in the meantime. I sing for nobody |
Avern
Caldari Provisions Caldari State
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Posted - 2014.07.16 07:50:00 -
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So would you recommend hunting, get close, target lock then..
1) Launch torps and warp 2) Launch torps and cloak 3) Try for the kill 4) Leave 5) Other |
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Justin Zaine
Unexploded Ordnance
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Posted - 2014.07.16 08:26:00 -
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Avern wrote:So would you recommend hunting, get close, target lock then..
1) Launch torps and warp 2) Launch torps and cloak 3) Try for the kill 4) Leave 5) Other
#1 would only work if you can insta-pop their ship in 1 volley. Not likely to happen unless they're flying a T1 hauler with a bad tank. I used to try to squeeze off 2 volleys and then cloak up right after the second volley was out the barrels of the launchers. If they're close to you it works, but keep in mind that your torps disappear a few seconds after activating the cloak so if they haven't made it to the target by then you'll lose them mid-flight.
#2 is basically the same as #1. No point in cloaking back up again unless you've insta-popped the guy, and keep in mind that you cannot cloak if he's got you targeted.
#3 is your best option if you ever plan on actually killing anything with torps. It will take anywhere from a few volleys to a couple dozen volleys depending on what your target is and how well its piloted/defended. Chances are that if you can't kill it within say 5 volleys, you're a dead bomber. If it has drones or missiles, you need to be extremely careful.
#4 Leave. As a bomber pilot you have to be super paranoid and never underestimate your target. Do not be afraid to de-aggress and warp out if things aren't going exactly the way you want them to, or if they seem a little bit fishy. Though a bomber is easy to replace, you don't want to lose them for no good reason, and being uber aware of your surroundings as a bomber pilot will teach you good habits for when you start piloting your T3.
#5. The only other thing I might add to this list is a bombing run. If you're doing one of those, you warp to the location the target is at, get range and start from say 40kms away, align to him and when you get to like 32 kms (if he's staying still,) uncloak, drop bomb, warp off to the celestial that's directly behind him and hope your bomb kills him. Careful you don't bomb yourself. I could go on and on about bombing tactics all night but it would be better for you to do some research. Just know that this is an option as well.
It's possible that i'm forgetting some things here but it's 5 am, I'm tired and I gotta write up my report, finish work, and get home for some sleep. I'll include what I always include by saying that as a bomber/t3/cloaky pilot, you need to have ass-loads of patience. You may get lucky and find a mining op to pick on or you may not find any targets for a week straight. It's the game we play but in order to be successful you can't just get discouraged after roaming around for 4 hours with no results. I sing for nobody |
Serendipity Lost
Repo Industries
290
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Posted - 2014.07.18 01:58:00 -
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Start your approach from 30km. Uncloak and launch bomb @ 27km. Put the painter on him. Start firing w/ torps. Point him at 24km. When you get into 20km hit orbit at 20km. If you need to pulse your mwd, then do so.
Soloing in a bomber and running a probe launcher in lieu of a bomb launcher just gimps it a lot. Bring a scanner and a bomb launcher and your effectiveness goes waaaaaaaaay up. There are better solo choices out there. Taranis for one. Bombers are just so much more capable w/ 2 or 3 and a dedicated prober.
If you have to play solo bombers.... call me when you want to upgrade to a team sport. It's a lot more fun.
The funnest thing you can do with a bomber: Drop a bomb on a hauler loading pos guns and put 3 volleys into him and watch that last volley of torps follow him inside the pos shield. Putting a hauler wreck inside the guys pos is priceless.... every single time. |
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