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Gertrude Guntermeiste
Science and Trade Institute Caldari State
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Posted - 2014.07.11 12:03:00 -
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Good day everybody.
I have a small change in circumstances coming up which means I will be working from home a lot more.
I wish to take advantage of that by using the 'semi afk' time to earn some ISK! I have three accounts and I was thinking of doing some mining as I crack on with work.
I know there are the risks of ganking and those that don't agree with semi afk/afk gameplay but hey ho!
I currently have one character that is only needing mining barge V to be able to fly exhumes, and the others have limited mining skills. I have just over a month to train towards something so I'd like some advice on set ups with three toons?
Many thanks for your time! |
Nicola Arman
Mining and Explorations
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Posted - 2014.07.11 12:12:00 -
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Mine your heart out. Pick quieter systems and keep your combat drones out. This is EVE. Nothing is truly risk free but you could, with some luck, mine happily with little to no harassment. |
Ralph King-Griffin
Lords.Of.Midnight The Devil's Warrior Alliance
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Posted - 2014.07.11 12:23:00 -
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Just don't do it on the toon you started this thread with. "Confirming EVE is hot, batshit crazy, and puts out." -Omar Alharazaad "CAKE CANNOT HOLD UP TO BEING A CHARACTER DAMNIT." --áUnsuccessful At Everything |
Gertrude Guntermeiste
Science and Trade Institute Caldari State
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Posted - 2014.07.11 12:51:00 -
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Oh I won't!
And as far as mining with three accounts goes is three retrievers the best way of doing things ? |
Kaea Astridsson
Yggdrasil Woodchoppers Noir. Mercenary Group
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Posted - 2014.07.11 13:33:00 -
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Why is it that whenever someone wants "passive isk" they go for mining?! Why not something truly passive... like PI or Manufacturing.
If I'd go mining I know I would be sitting it out in a procurer. Brick tank that thing and mine away. You'll still have to check in and point that laser toward other rocks and head back to station more often using them as opposed to the retriever. |
Gertrude Guntermeiste
Science and Trade Institute Caldari State
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Posted - 2014.07.11 14:21:00 -
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I don't know. I've never really looked into manufacturing. I do have PI set up.
How about a change of question - could I train up anything useful for manufacturing in a month? |
Tarko Auduin
Icendus Corux Quam'Nocent
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Posted - 2014.07.11 14:27:00 -
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Kaea Astridsson wrote:If I'd go mining I know I would be sitting it out in a procurer. Brick tank that thing and mine away. You'll still have to check in and point that laser toward other rocks and head back to station more often using them as opposed to the retriever.
Procurer is definitely the way to go, as long as you tank it like you're supposed to.
On an older account of mine about a year ago I was mining semi-afk in low sec with a stabbed and brick tanked procurer. Went back to check on the game to see if it was time to change rocks or empty, and realized I was trying to be killed by a pair of cruisers. Calmly recalled drones, tried to warp out and took me about 20 seconds to realize there was an asteroid in my way, manually flew around it, and warped out.
Think I was just hitting around 30% shields so yeah, procurers are awesome |
Lorlen Nalelmir
EVE University Ivy League
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Posted - 2014.07.11 15:03:00 -
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Gertrude Guntermeiste wrote:Good day everybody.
I have a small change in circumstances coming up which means I will be working from home a lot more.
I wish to take advantage of that by using the 'semi afk' time to earn some ISK! I have three accounts and I was thinking of doing some mining as I crack on with work.
I know there are the risks of ganking and those that don't agree with semi afk/afk gameplay but hey ho!
I currently have one character that is only needing mining barge V to be able to fly exhumes, and the others have limited mining skills. I have just over a month to train towards something so I'd like some advice on set ups with three toons?
Many thanks for your time! You just behave to be aware that rats and players can come and bank you...that is the issue with semi faking and It happens to me too. SOsas long as your careful. |
Daniel Plain
Science and Trade Institute Caldari State
2069
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Posted - 2014.07.11 15:12:00 -
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Kaea Astridsson wrote:Why is it that whenever someone wants "passive isk" they go for mining?! Why not something truly passive... like PI or Manufacturing.
If I'd go mining I know I would be sitting it out in a procurer. Brick tank that thing and mine away. You'll still have to check in and point that laser toward other rocks and head back to station more often using them as opposed to the retriever. or you could do all three
@topic: the only thing you really need for effective manufacturing is the production efficiency skill at V. without it, you may end up producing at a loss, which is not what you want (d'uuh). as soon as this is dealt with, it's pretty much up to you. you can always find items that will produce for 500k per hour per production line. you can train up to 11 production lines per character but most people leave it at 10 (advanced mass production IV). branching out into invention and T2 production takes longer and involves some spreadsheet magic. also, be aware that crius's changes to industry are approaching quickly and the effects on the economy are hard to predict.
"I don't troll, I just give overly blunt responses that annoy people who are wrong but don't want to admit it. It's not my fault that people have sensitive feelings" -MXZF |
Gertrude Guntermeiste
Science and Trade Institute Caldari State
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Posted - 2014.07.11 15:42:00 -
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Thanks for all the replies! I think I'll do a whole bunch of reading up on manufacturing! Could be interesting but I am utterly clueless, let a lone knowing anything about the changes coming up |
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Gully Alex Foyle
Black Fox Marauders Repeat 0ffenders
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Posted - 2014.07.11 15:42:00 -
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Imo, trading is the perfect semi-AFK activity.
Buy and sell when you feel like it.
Haul stuff when you have 15 minutes or so to spare (inter-hub trading is easier and less time-consuming than station trading, imo).
Make ISK while you sleep!
Trading skills are a very fast train - lvl 5s aren't really necessary except for having more orders.
If you want to haul too, a blockade runner is perfect (for anything small like skillbooks, implants, modules, rigs, salvage, ...). It takes a bit to train but it's as safe as you can get.
EDIT: anything else you do (mining, PI, manufacturing) you'd have to buy/sell anyway, so why not just skip the rest of the work? |
Cara Forelli
Green Skull LLC
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Posted - 2014.07.11 16:05:00 -
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In my experience the biggest risk is not getting any work done. www.ensignyooch.wordpress.com
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Sibyyl
Gallente Federation
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Posted - 2014.07.11 17:01:00 -
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Kaea Astridsson wrote:Why is it that whenever someone wants "passive isk" they go for mining?! Why not something truly passive... like PI or Manufacturing. Because you can PI and manufacture even while you're mining. Mining can be "semi AFK" as the topic says. PI and manufacturing (apart from the click click maintenance) is completely AFK. .. when everything else is gone .. |
Penn Koskanaiken
Deep Core Mining Inc. Caldari State
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Posted - 2014.07.11 17:24:00 -
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What about hauling? Either from public contracts or one of the more organized corps like Pushx or Red Frog. It's pretty passive but you do need ~2.2 B ISK to start. |
J'Poll
CDG Playgrounds
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Posted - 2014.07.11 19:36:00 -
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Hmz, Semi-AFK, mining, multiboxing and retrievers.
I see good target practise for CODE. agents in the making.
OP, stick with Procurer. Beefy tank and expandable. Personal channel: Crazy Dutch Guy
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Netan MalDoran
xXTheWarhammerXx
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Posted - 2014.07.11 20:37:00 -
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As said, heavily tanked Procurer with 5 hobgoblin II (Or I's if u have no skillz), the drones and tank will be fine against highsec rats, hell I've run anoms in these things. Setup a safe just off grid of the belt and warp there and jettison your ore there and when you are done mining, come in with that one Gallente indy that specializes in ore and haul it to station. This makes it much more time efficent since the warp time is reduced drastically (Just remember, jettisoned containers disintegrate in 2 hours, you may want large freight containers for prolonged mining.
"Your security status has been lowered." - Hell yeah it was! |
Schmata Bastanold
Black Rebel Rifter Club The Devil's Tattoo
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Posted - 2014.07.12 18:49:00 -
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To be honest I have no idea how people can really earn anything with AFK mining. I mean so much of time wasted on empty cycles or totally missed moments of rocks popping into oblivion.
I'm juggling orca, hulk and cov with cov being much less skilled then hulk so there is a difference in yield and range and cycle times and I do that very advanced math of calculating how much lazors should go to mine exactly amount of ore left currently in rock and when ore is in cargo I move it to orca and when fleet hangar gets full I move it to ore cargo and when it gets full I move it to normal cargo and when finally orca get full all together I switch cov to miasmos and haul ore from orca to station in two trips meanwhile hulk keeps drilling and adding to orca so when miasmos gets back from second trip it switches back to cov and orca gets full even faster because when miasmos was doing second trip hulk managed to dump a few full cycles so cov needs to switch to miasmos sooner than before and do those 2 trips with hulk brutalizing rocks without any regard to anything...
OMFG, how do you do it AFK???
fake edit: I know, hard to read, right? Mining is too fast to waste time for paragraphs :)
Real edit: And I'm clicking d-scan every 5 seconds because I am so paranoid and I know it is not a matter of 'if' they come but only a matter of 'when' :) I am not my skills but... http://eveboard.com/pilot/Schmata_Bastanold |
Gertrude Guntermeiste
Science and Trade Institute Caldari State
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Posted - 2014.07.13 03:55:00 -
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Thanks for all of the fantastic replies! I've got lots to think about! I think I'll invest some time in manufacturing skills on all three toons. Hopefully when cirrus lands I can find some t1 stuff to build and turn a profit!
As far as traiding goes I'm a bit clueless but I'm going to save up some capital and give it ago!
And mining, I think it's not going to be as efficient as it could be, but if I'd just be floating in space anyway I may as well chew some rocks! And if I'm in brick tanked barges like you guys have advised I think I can keep my losses to a minimum. I had images of having an orca and two hulks in space - but looks like that is just a fantastic way to generate some lossmails!
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Galaxy Pig
New Order Logistics CODE.
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Posted - 2014.07.13 06:27:00 -
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The in game map has excellent tools for filtering things like exhumers kills in the last x hours. This can be used to avoid places gankers frequent. :)
Welcome to EVE! Highsec is owned by players now. Systems 0.5-1.0 are New Order Territory.-áAll miners and other residents of Highsec must obey The Code.-áMining without a permit is dangerous and harmful to the EVE community. See www.MinerBumping.com to learn more. |
Shiloh Templeton
Center for Advanced Studies Gallente Federation
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Posted - 2014.07.13 17:43:00 -
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I found Semi-afk ice mining to be the easiest option and still feel like you're doing something in space - and it's very easy to get into. I always mined in a tanked Procurer or Skiff along with a tanked Orca so the small hold didn't bother me. This made it very easy to semi-afk while I was doing work on my other monitor. Consider training one of your characters into an Orca -- it's a useful ship and will lead to lots of leadership skills. Most miners are out in Macks unless it's an area frequented by gankers.
Asteroid belts require a lot more attention because of changing rocks. Also, it's more lonely compared ice mining. Biggest problem with ice mining is if you're in a system that has one of the massive isboxer fleets that suck up all the ice too quickly. You can also get an explorer type ship and look around for ore anomalies in your area which is interesting and quite profitable if you come across one of the Large ones.
I've branched into mostly a manufacturing phase now. It requires a great deal more research and legwork to get things setup, not only in skills but in figuring out what to manufacture profitably, and then researching and inventing blueprints. And then you have to learn how to take everything to a trade hub and get it sold while buying the materials you need for the next batch. After you have everything setup, it's short periods of active time followed by time where you don't need to be logged in while things cook. It's closer to passive income than semi-afk in my mind.
I haven't done PI yet, but I get the impression it's more like manufacturing.
Trading can be semi-afk and has the most profit potential if you like doing it.
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Mara Rinn
Cosmic Goo Convertor Cosmic Consortium
5424
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Posted - 2014.07.14 02:04:00 -
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Gertrude Guntermeiste wrote:I have a small change in circumstances coming up which means I will be working from home a lot more.
I wish to take advantage of that by using the 'semi afk' time to earn some ISK! I have three accounts and I was thinking of doing some mining as I crack on with work.
"Semi AFK" mining is not compatible with any other task that requires your actual attention. Unless your paid work is watching movies with half your brain, don't try mining. You will be far better off running a L4 mission or two during your coffee break, or setting up speculative trading.
Once you get to three characters, you will be continually paying attention to the game to transfer ore before ore holds fill up, hauling ore back to station, moving to new belts, or otherwise tending to your fleet. You will need to pay about 30 seconds of attention to the game every five to ten minutes. So unless your "real" job is compatible with your thoughts being elsewhere, you will find that your "real" job and your mining job both suffer.
Speculative hauling works well with limited attention: tank your hauler, carry a minimal value of goods, and rely on autopilot routes that don't pass through Uedama or Niarja, and avoid Jita like the plague. As your trade hauling becomes more profitable, you can start paying other people to haul for you.
I love blockade runners, because you can make them fast or hardy depending on whether you're at-keyboard or AFK.
Mining maxes out at about 20M ISK/hr per mining ship, with boosts. This requires your constant attention since your ore hold will be filling up very quickly. With the same amount of attention, you can be making 60M ISK/hr with each character by running L4 missions. So when you are on a coffee break, run a mission. If you spend 15 minutes doing that, you've made as much ISK as you would have if you had been mining for an hour.
Mission-running is scalable up to the point where your characters are blowing up targets faster than you can switch clients. You can also start a mission, clear a room, get back to work, come back and clear another room, work some more while your ship autopilots back to station, etc.
"Safe" semi-AFK mission ships include any battleship with long range weaponry and a MJD: you might go for a T2 sentry Dominix with 740DPS, which can be built for well under 500M ISK, or a T2 & faction Machariel, or a marauder, or GǪ you get the idea. The nice thing about the Machariel is that it has the warp speed advantage, so you won't spend so much time warping to and fro.
So rather than mining semi-AFK, I would recommend trading (or "speculative hauling") or mission-running as better alternatives.
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Mara Rinn
Cosmic Goo Convertor Cosmic Consortium
5424
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Posted - 2014.07.14 02:58:00 -
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epic double post Day 0 advice for new players: Day 0 Advice for New Players |
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ISD Dorrim Barstorlode
ISD Community Communications Liaisons
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Posted - 2014.07.14 05:02:00 -
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Removed an epic double post. ISD Dorrim Barstorlode Captain Community Communication Liaisons (CCLs) Interstellar Services Department |
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Shiloh Templeton
Center for Advanced Studies Gallente Federation
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Posted - 2014.07.15 01:35:00 -
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Mara Rinn wrote:"Semi AFK" mining is not compatible with any other task that requires your actual attention. Unless your paid work is watching movies with half your brain, don't try mining. You will be far better off running a L4 mission or two during your coffee break, or setting up speculative trading. You make a lot of good points, but it really depends on your job (and your ambitions I suppose). Customer call center - no problem. Time spent in corporate conference calls - no problem. A 30 second distraction every 10 minutes while doing web development - probably not a problem. Trying to work on the next great novel - definite problem.
The nice thing about mining is that you can get into it almost right from the start of your Eve life. Getting a boat and the skills that can run lvl 4 missions without a lot of attention is going to take a while. Plus, if you get distracted while mining in a tanked ship you just miss a few cycles. Get distracted in Angel Extravagance and it might be an embarrassing kill mail.
I wouldn't try to talk anyone into mining, but I don't see a need to talk them out of it either, if it's something they enjoy. Different strokes and all that.
Mara Rinn wrote:I love blockade runners, because you can make them fast or hardy depending on whether you're at-keyboard or AFK. Do you have a fit for an auto-pilot BR? I always assumed people would gank them on principle since they can't tell when they're empty.
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Emma Verondi
Strategic Fighters Association
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Posted - 2014.07.15 10:11:00 -
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Cara Forelli wrote:In my experience the biggest risk is not getting any work done. Agreed, multiboxing while working is a good way to make sure you dont get any work done!
/Emma "Forgotten were the elementary rules of logic, that extraordinary claims require extraordinary evidence and that what can be asserted without evidence can also be dismissed without evidence" - Christopher Hitchens, 2007 |
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