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Raposao1978
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Posted - 2014.07.11 19:25:00 -
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Something needs to be done to stop the annoying exploit of criminal suspect flagged pilots hanging around trade hubs hoping to bait non-criminal flagged pilots into engaging them only to have them instantly dock and re-emerge in a bigger tougher ship?
It is the newest exploit to bait pilots into fights while giving the criminal suspect the advantage to re-dock while taking away the ability for the non-criminal suspect flagged pilot to dock.
Giving an advantage to a criminal suspect while taking away the same option from the non-criminal suspect seems to be an unintended consequence, an exploit being used by some pilots in highsec.
I would like to present solutions and not just a complaint.
Criminal Suspect flagged pilots should be subject to Concord cops, gate guns, and station guns.
Criminal Suspect flagged pilots should be unable to re-dock at any station for five (5) minutes after undocking.
Criminal Suspect flagged pilots should be unable to change their Criminal Suspect status while targeted.
Criminal Suspect flagged pilots should be restricted from limited engagement rights with non-criminal suspect pilots.
Duels allow any pilot to get fights from willing participants in highsec, this is an exploit that needs to be removed. Self destruct so i can have your salvage ..... i'll get it anyway ..... and this saves us both some time! |
Unsuccessful At Everything
The Troll Bridge
15161
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Posted - 2014.07.11 19:26:00 -
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Exploit.
You keep using that word. I do not think it means what you think it means.
Since the cessation of their usefulness is imminent, may I appropriate your belongings? |
Leoric Firesword
Dark Fusion Industries Limitless Inc.
33
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Posted - 2014.07.11 19:28:00 -
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show me on the doll where the bad criminal touched you |
Jenn aSide
Smokin Aces.
7182
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Posted - 2014.07.11 19:29:00 -
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Raposao1978 wrote:Something needs to be done to stop the annoying exploit of criminal suspect flagged pilots hanging around trade hubs hoping to bait non-criminal flagged pilots into engaging them only to have them instantly dock and re-emerge in a bigger tougher ship? It is the newest exploit to bait pilots into fights while giving the criminal suspect the advantage to re-dock while taking away the ability for the non-criminal suspect flagged pilot to dock. Giving an advantage to a criminal suspect while taking away the same option from the non-criminal suspect seems to be an unintended consequence, an exploit being used by some pilots in highsec. I would like to present solutions and not just a complaint.Criminal Suspect flagged pilots should be subject to Concord cops, gate guns, and station guns. Criminal Suspect flagged pilots should be unable to re-dock at any station for five (5) minutes after undocking. Criminal Suspect flagged pilots should be unable to change their Criminal Suspect status while targeted. Criminal Suspect flagged pilots should be restricted from limited engagement rights with non-criminal suspect pilots. Duels allow any pilot to get fights from willing participants in highsec, this is an exploit that needs to be removed.
Translation: "I stupidly shot at someone and got killed because I don't know how things work, CCP please play the game for me"
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Ramona McCandless
The McCandless Clan
6167
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Posted - 2014.07.11 19:30:00 -
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Raposao1978 wrote:Something needs to be done
You could, like, not engage them when they are on a docking ring. "Many have joined the battle, many have survived the tests and trials, but countless have fallen because they weren't the sharpest, the fastest thinking, the most devious, the most ruthless or most intelligent. -áLog in and Compete!"-á- CCP Falcon
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Mashie Saldana
BFG Tech
1113
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Posted - 2014.07.11 19:32:00 -
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Ramona McCandless wrote:Raposao1978 wrote:Something needs to be done You could, like, not engage them when they are on a docking ring. Or if they dock up you may consider leaving the station for 60 seconds before warping back and dock yourself? Mashie Saldana Dominique Vasilkovsky
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Sentamon
Imperial Academy Amarr Empire
1942
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Posted - 2014.07.11 19:32:00 -
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Ramona McCandless wrote:Raposao1978 wrote:Something needs to be done You could, like, not engage them when they are on a docking ring.
Far too complex for your average forum rager. Hopefuly he petitioned too, wasting GM time and keeping them employed. ~ Professional Forum Alt -á~ |
Nat Silverguard
Aideron Robotics
31
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Posted - 2014.07.11 19:32:00 -
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dude, if you want 1vs1 go to low sec.
hunting down suspects in high sec is dumb especially if you know he is baiting you.
there is no exploit here, people just don't use common sense, cause really a-free-for-all-target is hanging out in a high density area is doing it just for the lulz, right? Just Add Water |
Spurty
V0LTA Triumvirate.
1362
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Posted - 2014.07.11 19:33:00 -
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Solution is to get 300 friends on comms with you undocked and ready. Guy goes suspect. You all lock him and shot on command (not at free will).
Poof goes his pixels.
Any other solution is going to fail hard.
Don't have 300 friends? Well tough *******. *signature is not allowed on the EVE Online forums* |
RoAnnon
Eternity INC. Goonswarm Federation
374
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Posted - 2014.07.11 19:33:00 -
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If you think you have found an exploit, you're supposed to file a petition, not post about it on the public forum. So, you're a bounty hunter. No, that ain't it at all. Then what are you? I'm a bounty hunter. |
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Giuseppe R Raimondo
Lowsey Pirates Inc. Easily Excited
44
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Posted - 2014.07.11 19:34:00 -
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Seems to me you got baited and are now crying in the forums about the oldest trick in the book, you are lucky he didn't undock 6 guardians to fight you. And btw if you attack someone on station and they dock just warp out, not like they have you pointed or something |
Sibyyl
Gallente Federation
2435
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Posted - 2014.07.11 19:36:00 -
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OP, apparently you don't read your own posts.
Raposao1978 wrote:EVE is a world wide game, you get to interact with all types of players and play styles, a lot of those interactions are not positive, so we have to deal with it. Remember it's only a game an if you are getting really really angry then that means it's a good game because you have become immersed in the game play. Train to get better, train to get even, train to get revenge. HTFU.
I don't get it. Were you lying when you posted this in the other thread? .. when everything else is gone .. |
Tippia
Sunshine and Lollipops
23097
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Posted - 2014.07.11 19:38:00 -
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Raposao1978 wrote:Something needs to be done to stop the annoying exploit of criminal suspect flagged pilots hanging around trade hubs hoping to bait non-criminal flagged pilots into engaging them only to have them instantly dock and re-emerge in a bigger tougher ship? How is it being exploited?
Quote:I would like to present solutions and not just a complaint.
1. Criminal Suspect flagged pilots should be subject to Concord cops, gate guns, and station guns. 2. Criminal Suspect flagged pilots should be unable to re-dock at any station for five (5) minutes after undocking. 3. Criminal Suspect flagged pilots should be unable to change their Criminal Suspect status while targeted. 4. Criminal Suspect flagged pilots should be restricted from limited engagement rights with non-criminal suspect pilots. 1. Means removing the suspect timer completely. So no. 2. Already exists in the form of a weapons timer, so no. 3. Is nonsensical GÇö no-one can GÇ£change their flagging statusGÇ¥ GÇö so no. 4. Removes the point both the suspect flag and the limited engagement, so no.
Quote:Duels allow any pilot to get fights from willing participants in highsec, this is an exploit that needs to be removed. 100% incorrect.
What you're describing is not an exploit and what you're suggesting as a GÇ£solutionGÇ¥ to this non-issue shows a fundamental misunderstanding of every last aspect of CrimeWatch, its mechanisms, and its purpose.
So no. GÇ£If you're not willing to fight for what you have in GëívGëí you don't deserve it, and you will lose it.GÇ¥
Get a good start: Newbie skillplan 2.2. |
BeBopAReBop RhubarbPie
Unleashed Pestilence
837
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Posted - 2014.07.11 19:39:00 -
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I accidentally killed an ally who was doing this recently. Turns out its pretty easy to bump a noctis 10km. Oops. New player resources: http://wiki.eveuniversity.org/Main_Page - General information http://www.evealtruist.com/p/know-your-enemy.html - Learn to PvP http://belligerentundesirables.com/ - Safaris, Awoxes, Ganking and Griefing-á |
Adrie Atticus
The Shadow Plague The Bastion
151
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Posted - 2014.07.11 19:39:00 -
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What ship were you in if you can't warp off in the 10 seconds + undocking ticks it takes for someone to do the thing you describe? |
Raposao1978
5
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Posted - 2014.07.11 19:40:00 -
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For all the trolls, I have not engaged a criminal suspect that was able to defeat me even after they re-docked.
I thank you for your automatic foolish assumptions they are as sweet as tears.
I simply think taking an option away from one pilot while giving it to a criminal suspect legally engaged is an unintended consequence of CCP's implementation.
If you want to gank you take your chances, everyone knows that. This is an exploit for those without the courage to face the consequences of combat, they want a get out of combat free card to play by re-docking or switching status once you target them. So if you trolls stand with the cowards I fully support the right for you to choose to stand with your peers. Self destruct so i can have your salvage ..... i'll get it anyway ..... and this saves us both some time! |
Osirus Darksun
Vile Drifters Blood.Drunk
32
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Posted - 2014.07.11 19:40:00 -
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This is great |
Jonah Gravenstein
Machiavellian Space Bastards
19566
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Posted - 2014.07.11 19:44:00 -
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Raposao1978 wrote:For all the trolls, I have not engaged a criminal suspect that was able to defeat me even after they re-docked. I thank you for your automatic foolish assumptions they are as sweet as tears. I simply think taking an option away from one pilot while giving it to a criminal suspect legally engaged is an unintended consequence of CCP's implementation. If you want to gank you take your chances, everyone knows that. This is an exploit for those without the courage to face the consequences of combat, they want a get out of combat free card to play by re-docking or switching status once you target them. So if you trolls stand with the cowards I fully support the right for you to choose to stand with your peers. How is it an exploit? Station games always have been, and always will be a part of Eve.
Nil mortifi sine lucre |
Mag's
the united
17692
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Posted - 2014.07.11 19:45:00 -
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Bad idea in the wrong forum. Figures.
Destination SkillQueue:- It's like assuming the lions will ignore you in the savannah, if you're small, fat and look helpless. |
Tippia
Sunshine and Lollipops
23097
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Posted - 2014.07.11 19:45:00 -
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Raposao1978 wrote:I simply think taking an option away from one pilot while giving it to a criminal suspect legally engaged is an unintended consequence of CCP's implementation. It's not.
No. Your unfamiliarity with the mechanics does not turn their use into an exploit. GÇ£If you're not willing to fight for what you have in GëívGëí you don't deserve it, and you will lose it.GÇ¥
Get a good start: Newbie skillplan 2.2. |
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Nat Silverguard
Aideron Robotics
33
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Posted - 2014.07.11 19:46:00 -
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Raposao1978 wrote:For all the trolls, I have not engaged a criminal suspect that was able to defeat me even after they re-docked. I thank you for your automatic foolish assumptions they are as sweet as tears. I simply think taking an option away from one pilot while giving it to a criminal suspect legally engaged is an unintended consequence of CCP's implementation. If you want to gank you take your chances, everyone knows that. This is an exploit for those without the courage to face the consequences of combat, they want a get out of combat free card to play by re-docking or switching status once you target them. So if you trolls stand with the cowards I fully support the right for you to choose to stand with your peers.
yes and screw most of the militia men fighting for their faction because of your stupid idea.
again, use your common sense please. Just Add Water |
Ramona McCandless
The McCandless Clan
6171
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Posted - 2014.07.11 19:47:00 -
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Raposao1978 wrote:For all the trolls, I have not engaged a criminal suspect that was able to defeat me even after they re-docked.
1) So what's your problem?
2) No one is trolling you, most in fact have pointed out if its a problem, dont engage where the enemy can get an advantage you dont believe you can counter
3) If you really are 36, you should probably man up "Many have joined the battle, many have survived the tests and trials, but countless have fallen because they weren't the sharpest, the fastest thinking, the most devious, the most ruthless or most intelligent. -áLog in and Compete!"-á- CCP Falcon
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baltec1
Bat Country Goonswarm Federation
12331
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Posted - 2014.07.11 19:48:00 -
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Yea this isnt an exploit, its just high sec docking games. Join Bat Country today and defend the Glorious Socialist Dictatorship |
BeBopAReBop RhubarbPie
Unleashed Pestilence
837
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Posted - 2014.07.11 19:50:00 -
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Raposao1978 wrote:For all the trolls, I have not engaged a criminal suspect that was able to defeat me even after they re-docked. I thank you for your automatic foolish assumptions they are as sweet as tears. I simply think taking an option away from one pilot while giving it to a criminal suspect legally engaged is an unintended consequence of CCP's implementation. If you want to gank you take your chances, everyone knows that. This is an exploit for those without the courage to face the consequences of combat, they want a get out of combat free card to play by re-docking or switching status once you target them. So if you trolls stand with the cowards I fully support the right for you to choose to stand with your peers. You do realize that Criminals and Suspects are different things right? These individuals are suspects, not criminals. If they were criminals, concord would be involved. New player resources: http://wiki.eveuniversity.org/Main_Page - General information http://www.evealtruist.com/p/know-your-enemy.html - Learn to PvP http://belligerentundesirables.com/ - Safaris, Awoxes, Ganking and Griefing-á |
Raposao1978
5
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Posted - 2014.07.11 19:51:00 -
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Tippia wrote:Raposao1978 wrote:Something needs to be done to stop the annoying exploit of criminal suspect flagged pilots hanging around trade hubs hoping to bait non-criminal flagged pilots into engaging them only to have them instantly dock and re-emerge in a bigger tougher ship? How is it being exploited? Quote:I would like to present solutions and not just a complaint.
1. Criminal Suspect flagged pilots should be subject to Concord cops, gate guns, and station guns. 2. Criminal Suspect flagged pilots should be unable to re-dock at any station for five (5) minutes after undocking. 3. Criminal Suspect flagged pilots should be unable to change their Criminal Suspect status while targeted. 4. Criminal Suspect flagged pilots should be restricted from limited engagement rights with non-criminal suspect pilots. 1. Means removing the suspect timer completely. So no. 2. Already exists in the form of a weapons timer, so no. 3. Is nonsensical GÇö no-one can GÇ£change their flagging statusGÇ¥ GÇö so no. 4. Removes the point both the suspect flag and the limited engagement, so no. Quote:Duels allow any pilot to get fights from willing participants in highsec, this is an exploit that needs to be removed. 100% incorrect. What you're describing is not an exploit and what you're suggesting as a GÇ£solutionGÇ¥ to this non-issue shows a fundamental misunderstanding of every last aspect of CrimeWatch, its mechanisms, and its purpose. So no. Have you ever switched your criminal suspect status off an on? Have you undocked a ship or are you a forum troll? Your lack of knowledge of game mechanics is laughable. It explains why your critique of my positions are completely wrong, you are ignorant and perhaps not just mean spirited.
Why so many small mined people think I got shot by this is truly enjoyable, they completely ignore the facts of my position and create their own fantasy scenario .... where of course they are right .... sweeter than tears are the bleating sounds of the self deluded! Self destruct so i can have your salvage ..... i'll get it anyway ..... and this saves us both some time! |
Ramona McCandless
The McCandless Clan
6171
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Posted - 2014.07.11 19:53:00 -
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Raposao1978 wrote: Have you ever switched your criminal suspect status off an on?
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Why so many small mined people think I got shot by this is truly enjoyable, they completely ignore the facts of my position and create their own fantasy scenario .... where of course they are right .... sweeter than tears are the bleating sounds of the self deluded!
Raposao1978 wrote:Something needs to be done to stop the annoying exploit of criminal suspect flagged pilots hanging around trade hubs hoping to bait non-criminal flagged pilots into engaging them only to have them instantly dock and re-emerge in a bigger tougher ship?
Perhaps if you didnt switch what your OP was actually about midway through the thread, you might actually get less derision "Many have joined the battle, many have survived the tests and trials, but countless have fallen because they weren't the sharpest, the fastest thinking, the most devious, the most ruthless or most intelligent. -áLog in and Compete!"-á- CCP Falcon
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TharOkha
0asis Group
842
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Posted - 2014.07.11 19:59:00 -
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please tell me that you are just a troll . |
Tippia
Sunshine and Lollipops
23100
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Posted - 2014.07.11 19:59:00 -
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Raposao1978 wrote:Have you ever switched your criminal suspect status off an on? They're not switches, so no. Neither has anyone else except maybe the odd GM or dev.
Quote:Have you undocked a ship or are you a forum troll? Your lack of knowledge of game mechanics is laughable. It explains why your critique of my positions are completely wrong, you are ignorant and perhaps not just mean spirited. You really shouldn't talk to yourself GÇö it creates the impression that you're off your rocker.
The fact remains: what you're describing is not an exploit; what you're offering as a GÇ£solutionGÇ¥ is unnecessary, fundamentally misunderstands how crimewatch works, and breaks the mechanic you're trying to address. Becoming abusive just shows that you are as familiar with proper argumentation as you are with CrimeWatch and explains why you are unable to actually demonstrate anything that's wrong with my answer.
So no.
Quote:they completely ignore the facts of my position and create their own fantasy scenario Your scenario is thoroughly devoid of any facts, and instead mainly consists of your fundamental misunderstanding of the mechanics and design decisions involved. GÇ£If you're not willing to fight for what you have in GëívGëí you don't deserve it, and you will lose it.GÇ¥
Get a good start: Newbie skillplan 2.2. |
baltec1
Bat Country Goonswarm Federation
12333
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Posted - 2014.07.11 20:00:00 -
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Raposao1978 wrote:Tippia wrote:Raposao1978 wrote:Something needs to be done to stop the annoying exploit of criminal suspect flagged pilots hanging around trade hubs hoping to bait non-criminal flagged pilots into engaging them only to have them instantly dock and re-emerge in a bigger tougher ship? How is it being exploited? Quote:I would like to present solutions and not just a complaint.
1. Criminal Suspect flagged pilots should be subject to Concord cops, gate guns, and station guns. 2. Criminal Suspect flagged pilots should be unable to re-dock at any station for five (5) minutes after undocking. 3. Criminal Suspect flagged pilots should be unable to change their Criminal Suspect status while targeted. 4. Criminal Suspect flagged pilots should be restricted from limited engagement rights with non-criminal suspect pilots. 1. Means removing the suspect timer completely. So no. 2. Already exists in the form of a weapons timer, so no. 3. Is nonsensical GÇö no-one can GÇ£change their flagging statusGÇ¥ GÇö so no. 4. Removes the point both the suspect flag and the limited engagement, so no. Quote:Duels allow any pilot to get fights from willing participants in highsec, this is an exploit that needs to be removed. 100% incorrect. What you're describing is not an exploit and what you're suggesting as a GÇ£solutionGÇ¥ to this non-issue shows a fundamental misunderstanding of every last aspect of CrimeWatch, its mechanisms, and its purpose. So no. Have you ever switched your criminal suspect status off an on? Have you undocked a ship or are you a forum troll? Your lack of knowledge of game mechanics is laughable. It explains why your critique of my positions are completely wrong, you are ignorant and perhaps not just mean spirited. Why so many small mined people think I got shot by this is truly enjoyable, they completely ignore the facts of my position and create their own fantasy scenario .... where of course they are right .... sweeter than tears are the bleating sounds of the self deluded!
Those arn't tears. Please don't abuse that word. Join Bat Country today and defend the Glorious Socialist Dictatorship |
Nat Silverguard
Aideron Robotics
33
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Posted - 2014.07.11 20:03:00 -
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OP is just stupid, please ignore. Just Add Water |
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