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Yarda Black
Epidemic. Nulli Secunda
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Posted - 2014.07.11 22:54:00 -
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While I agree that some are "auto-trolls", my experience is that most posters take a stance based on the OP. I do for sure.
Look at it this way:
"This mechanic sucks! CCP failed hard. How do they expect to keep EVE alive when this happens! You need to change this CCP or I will unsub!"
OR
"I believe this mechanic is flawed. Because of A, B and C. I think it should be D"
Both will attract the HTFU, go back to WoW etc responses. But which one will also have a "I disagree, I think it should be E" response tucked in there you think?
Also; I would advise not to use this forum's search function. Grab Google and type in 4 or 5 keywords. That way you will have access to the old forum as well. If your answer isn't in here you can check those. Some answers are outdated, but those that aren't were written by folks that played a much harder version of EVE.
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Ramona McCandless
The McCandless Clan
6185
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Posted - 2014.07.11 23:25:00 -
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Tiger Tesla wrote:Ramona McCandless wrote:Tiger Tesla wrote:
Kum by yah? Did I say I didn't like PvP, ganking, spies, or anything of that sort? I'm not saying that at all, in fact I love Eve because of those challenges. Don't confuse being an antagonist with being an ******* out of game.
So how exactly do you think that judgement and punishment should be meted out to people outside of EvE? And why? And what qualifies as being a 7*, as you put it? Not talking about punishment at all, just wondering what other players think of the meta community and if we should strive to be kinder to one another out of game. And 7* was a-hole.
Oh I see.
Well, I guess, uh... um..... I have no idea. I dont really see what people do outside of game is something that affects me
Also, I kinda knew what word you meant, I was avoiding it as I find that word very distasteful, but thats just me "Many have joined the battle, many have survived the tests and trials, but countless have fallen because they weren't the sharpest, the fastest thinking, the most devious, the most ruthless or most intelligent. -áLog in and Compete!"-á- CCP Falcon
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Grog Aftermath
Need more grog
10
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Posted - 2014.07.11 23:40:00 -
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Tiger Tesla wrote: I am familiar with that quote from CCP Falcon, but once again I am not talking about how people play their character. I am not suggesting a departure from the rule that applies 99.9% of the time which is NBSI. What I'm talking about is the general attitude that players outside the game have.
Although one of the appeals of Eve Online is the difficulty, that harshness should end with the Eve client, unless of course everyone is role playing in all things Eve. I often feel the Mittani is almost always in character, but also that his character is an extension of himself.
Your obviously talking about the forums otherwise this thread in in the wrong forum.
If you read the GD forum you could be forgiven for thinking EVE has a bad community, but to be honest I've never really seen that much evidence of that in game.
If you're the type of person that gets upset (not necessarily talking about you) with the type of comments in GD then you're better off not reading it. You would probably have a better gaming experience if you're that way inclined.
Actually GD seems fairly normal to me, where you have a PvP group and PvE group sharing the same servers. |
Kaarous Aldurald
ROC Deep Space The ROC
7778
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Posted - 2014.07.11 23:50:00 -
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This game is an entirely voluntary participatory media. You aren't "bullied" by an interaction you expressly agreed to. Whether you were dumb enough to realize it or not. Using that word is entirely inappropriate in a video game, that you can just turn off with the press of a button or a mouseclick, and using it in this context denigrates real victims in real life.
This internet social justice bullshit really irritates me. No, I will not dumb the game down for the sake of the weak minded and the thin skinned. No, I will not alter my behavior for the possibility of encountering a genuinely new player.
And above all else, I will not be told what to do by pansy, mealy mouthed limp wristed weaklings who are only out to cry loud enough to handcuff my freedom as a player. "Verily, I have often laughed at the weaklings who thought themselves good because they had no claws."
Clean Up Local 2014.-á |
Don Purple
Caldari State
300
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Posted - 2014.07.12 00:19:00 -
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Im one of the best guys you will ever meet I am just here to snuggle. |
Alavaria Fera
GoonWaffe
6226
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Posted - 2014.07.12 00:34:00 -
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Kaarous Aldurald wrote:This game is an entirely voluntary participatory media. You aren't "bullied" by an interaction you expressly agreed to. Whether you were dumb enough to realize it or not. Using that word is entirely inappropriate in a video game, that you can just turn off with the press of a button or a mouseclick, and using it in this context denigrates real victims in real life.
This internet social justice bullshit really irritates me. No, I will not dumb the game down for the sake of the weak minded and the thin skinned. No, I will not alter my behavior for the possibility of encountering a genuinely new player.
And above all else, I will not be told what to do by pansy, mealy mouthed limp wristed weaklings who are only out to cry loud enough to handcuff my freedom as a player. I see that you need to be identified as part of the problem
and "dealt with"
Because eve is dying, or something ^^ Delicious goon ((tech nerf, siphon, drone assist, supercap)) tears.
Taking a wrecking ball to the futile hopes and broken dreams of skillless blobbers. |
Seven Koskanaiken
DIVINE CHA0S The Bastion
1325
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Posted - 2014.07.12 00:44:00 -
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Well you just ignore it, is what you do.
I don't mean use the "ignore function" or whatever, but old fashioned ignoring. |
Gorinia Sanford
Big n Large
61
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Posted - 2014.07.12 01:47:00 -
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Tiger Tesla wrote:Jenn aSide wrote:The real question is this: if you are so sensitive that the 'bad' behavior bothers you, why would you have an internet connection in the 1st place choose to be a part of the EVE community? Do I come off as that sensitive? I am just observant. It is a widespread view of gamers outside Eve (as well as within) that our community has a very vocal minority that encourage and live for bullying. Between the former head of the CSM encouraging members of the community to make a player commit suicide and the whole Erotica1 incident I'm surprised you don't see the same thing. And btw, I am a member of this community and plan to be for some time. The "well if you don't like it you can leave" response is just immature.
Case in point, James 315 and the "Code". Or as I like to call it, you're not playing Eve my way, therefore you're wrong. |
Serptimis
Boob Heads Black Legion.
330
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Posted - 2014.07.12 02:12:00 -
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KnowUsByTheDead wrote:For this, I will defer to the wise CCP Falcon... CCP Falcon wrote:
EVE is a 11 year long (so far) arena match that keeps moving forward. Many have joined the battle, many have survived the tests and trials so far, but countless have fallen because they weren't the sharpest, the fastest thinking, the most devious, the most ruthless or most intelligent thinking.
/thread Yeah, the self congratulatory nonsense about how we are all so awesome to stick with this game might suit CCP to propagate, but if you think only the sharpest, fastest thinking are playing this game, you're delusional. |
Christina Project
Deeper Feelings Inc.
263
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Posted - 2014.07.12 02:21:00 -
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Your portrait is really well done, Tesla.
The current meta is quite horrible, if you can call it that. A possible conclusion would be that the "good" people fail at being good and that's why the "bad" people have the upper hand. Besides the "bad" people not even using their potential.
And that's just one perspective! There are so many ... and currently the most likely ones have a ****** outcome. Deeper Feelings Inc. - Selling reality ... as fiction. ;) http://residentoutlaw.tumblr.com - #3 Uedama. sigh... can't even make a proper sig. :/
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Riyria Twinpeaks
Reasonable People Of Sound Mind
2031
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Posted - 2014.07.12 02:34:00 -
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It's almost unavoidable that every larger community has people you don't like and who behave bad and don't meet your standards. If you'd play monopoly not only with your family, but with 10,000 people, then you couldn't be that sure there are none who'd spit in your snacks. And there are bound to be some bad losers who will be angry at you for winning, or feel betrayed at you for breaking that alliance even though it only was in the game.
My personal experience with EvE is that it's not that bad as you people creating threads as this one make it out to be. Sure, there are trolls and such, as everywhere on the internet. But it's been very rare that I've seen someone ask a sensible question on these forums who didn't get help. Sure, even in those cases there are some trolls, too, but rarely malicious ones, and if misinformation is spread, others speak up to correct it.
That said, there are some topics that are just beat to death already, and some people create threads where they insult half of the community from the start or otherwise show an attitude of not seeking help or a discussion, but just wanting to rant or rile up people "for their cause". The responses to such threads are predictably less constructive. |
Christina Project
Deeper Feelings Inc.
263
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Posted - 2014.07.12 02:36:00 -
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Very well said. :D Deeper Feelings Inc. - Selling reality ... as fiction. ;) http://residentoutlaw.tumblr.com - #3 Uedama. sigh... can't even make a proper sig. :/
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Michael Ruckert
SECURE TRANSPORTS
160
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Posted - 2014.07.12 03:19:00 -
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Posting in a stealth "grrrr goons" thread. "No matter how well you perform there's always somebody of intelligent opinion who thinks it's lousy." - Laurence Olivier |
KnowUsByTheDead
Sunlight...Through The Blight.
2022
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Posted - 2014.07.12 03:50:00 -
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Serptimis wrote:KnowUsByTheDead wrote:For this, I will defer to the wise CCP Falcon... CCP Falcon wrote:
EVE is a 11 year long (so far) arena match that keeps moving forward. Many have joined the battle, many have survived the tests and trials so far, but countless have fallen because they weren't the sharpest, the fastest thinking, the most devious, the most ruthless or most intelligent thinking.
/thread Yeah, the self congratulatory nonsense about how we are all so awesome to stick with this game might suit CCP to propagate, but if you think only the sharpest, fastest thinking are playing this game, you're delusional.
And if you took that as anything other than face value sarcasm, you sir, are delusional.
The problem with the meta in EvE right now, and that this thread propagates is what our former CSM started.
Character assassination via allegation of "cyberbullying."
And make no mistake, that is all anyone tries to do anymore. All anyone "cares" about. Because thinking for themselves is too hard. Or for vengeance. Or for whatever.
God forbid a person actually have a natural tendency toward sarcasm.
Or that they play a scam to perfection, ending with the "mark" scamming themselves.
At one point, it was merely "tear collection."
When someone created an issue that was proven to be trumped up ten fold, obviously this is going to shift the way the meta plays.
And frankly, this thread is the core of the problem, along with CCP's advertising.
CCP has literally made it to where players actually try to equate "spaceship violence, scamming, infiltrating, etc." to "actual hurtful act in real life" with years of their "EvE is Real" bullshit.
And it is exactly that. Bullshit.
It's a game. Pixels. Even the meta game is tied directly to the gain and/or loss of said pixels.
So people can either sit here and hand-wring over trumped up issues that are continually progressed by threads such as these....
Or they can have fun like we did with UAE's "Weekly Highsec Braveheart" thread. Use wit, sarcasm, etc. to actually have fun.
Tbh, I would rather be sarcastic, be considered a troll, and have fun...than worry about assassinating characters with pettiness.
But, hey, that's just me. I play video games for fun. And I certainly don't worry about what someone in a fit of rage (often from their own stupidity) is throwing at me. I am still going to be sarcastic and rational. And I will worry about it once the EULA and ToS and Forum Rules ban sarcasm and rationality.
But, hey, you're right. I'm delusional.
Once you realize what a joke everything is, being the comedian is the only thing that makes sense. |
Tiger Tesla
Periphery Bound
15
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Posted - 2014.07.12 04:18:00 -
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Christina Project wrote:Your portrait is really well done, Tesla.
Thanks, I actually just happened to see your portrait earlier on the "Beautiful Portraits" thread and liked yours a lot, so I guess similar taste :) |
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Chribba
Otherworld Enterprises Otherworld Empire
12201
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Posted - 2014.07.12 07:39:00 -
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baltec1 wrote:If you are seen as trustworthy you stand to make a fortune. Good guys do get their reward. Well put and fully agree.
(Now my suggestion to pilots wanting to be good, don't, lol, let me have more of the fortune cuts )
/c
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Serene Repose
1427
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Posted - 2014.07.12 10:34:00 -
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Anyone interested in culture, but who employs a usage such as "culture/meta" is so bereft of any basic understanding of the subject, remedial education would be required at once before any rational discussion of "culture" could proceed. If this sentence sent you to a dictionary, that's a good start. I have sworn upon the altar of God eternal hostility toward every form of tyranny over the mind of man.-á |
Gully Alex Foyle
Black Fox Marauders Repeat 0ffenders
1182
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Posted - 2014.07.12 10:55:00 -
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EVE is arguably harder than most other MMOs, so the community's average IQ is arguably a bit higher.
I appreciate this, I personally prefer a smart troll to a dumb do-gooder. |
Tiger Tesla
Periphery Bound
20
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Posted - 2014.07.12 15:45:00 -
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Serene Repose wrote:Anyone interested in culture, but who employs a usage such as "culture/meta" is so bereft of any basic understanding of the subject, remedial education would be required at once before any rational discussion of "culture" could proceed. If this sentence sent you to a dictionary, that's a good start.
The forward slash was denoting "or", and the reason I spoke of the culture and meta is because I have heard other people refer to Eve having a horrible player base and that we promote trolling. This most often appears in the meta game of Eve, as more often than not this is where this culture manifests itself.
Most of the people responding have also chosen to ignore that I am pointing out, in my opinion, that they are also the best parts of the game.
I love this game, and honestly I have a good laugh when I see a witty or trollish response on the forums. My concern is what image we are presenting to not only new players, but also prospective players.
I'm not sure what about my post made you feel that I needed "remedial education". As a former publisher I can appreciate the English language and how little the average person knows of their own language. But that is also why I had an editor, I didn't go to school to get a degree in English.
That being said, I must thank you for providing more content confirming my initial statement. |
Sibyyl
Gallente Federation
2530
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Posted - 2014.07.12 16:00:00 -
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Tiger Tesla wrote:I love this game, and honestly I have a good laugh when I see a witty or trollish response on the forums. My concern is what image we are presenting to not only new players, but also prospective players. Anyone who takes a casual look at EVE will come away with an opinion that EVE people are truly awful and that the meta is no different from other internet hazing cultures like Kugu, /b/, Something Awful, you name it.
This is why Ripard's grandstanding about scamming in EVE was so damaging.. because it led the reader to believe that Ripard's biopsy of EVE culture was enough for someone to judge all of EVE.
People in EVE are a bit more complicated than that, as intelligent people tend to be. I think it's *good* that casual interaction is discouraged. People can have a "these people are good" and "these people are bad" opinion.. but they really don't get engaged until they say "these people make me feel xyz". As with any non-superficial relationship, xyz is both positive and negative.
EVE people should seem incredibly warm and wonderful AND deeply frustrating and combative. It's called not being two dimensional. .. when everything else is gone .. |
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Gully Alex Foyle
Black Fox Marauders Repeat 0ffenders
1184
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Posted - 2014.07.12 17:55:00 -
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I'd agree with Sibyyl even if she weren't so pretty these days. |
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