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Kuri Kurvora
Black VooDoo Asassins The Kadeshi
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Posted - 2014.07.11 20:22:00 -
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Greetings.
Looking for investors to expand my investments in trading and manufacturing.
Details:
- Minimum investment size: 100 million ISK - Interest rate: 3.5% / week - Minimum investment time: 8 weeks. - Interest paid out every week (on that day when the investment arrived / every 168 hours ) - Investment must be made in full 100 millions.
Interest and repayment will be paid back by using Chribba's service.
If you have any questions, feel free to post it here, mail me or convo me in-game. |
Elizabeth Norn
Nornir Research
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Posted - 2014.07.11 21:23:00 -
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Kuri Kurvor wrote:Interest and repayment will be paid back by using Chribba's service.
What do you mean by this? .
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Kuri Kurvora
Black VooDoo Asassins The Kadeshi
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Posted - 2014.07.11 21:25:00 -
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Elizabeth Norn wrote:Kuri Kurvor wrote:Interest and repayment will be paid back by using Chribba's service.
What do you mean by this?
I will send him the money, and he forwards it, so in the future, it will be a proper evidence of my legitimacy. |
Evil Brock Nelson
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Posted - 2014.07.11 21:49:00 -
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Makes no difference where the interest payment comes from, Chribba or you. You're just gonna end up having to pay extra for Chribba's service.
Whats your max investment allowed? |
Kuri Kurvora
Black VooDoo Asassins The Kadeshi
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Posted - 2014.07.11 22:08:00 -
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Evil Brock Nelson wrote:Makes no difference where the interest payment comes from, Chribba or you. You're just gonna end up having to pay extra for Chribba's service.
Whats your max investment allowed?
Thanks for your reply. With Chribba's service, I would just prevent those cases where I have to prove I have sent the payment clearly. (I hope it won't happen, but for example, if someone states false things against me in the future, I can prove it with him)
About the maximum investment allowed:
Per person: unlimited Project capacity: 50 billion
As it's my first project with borrowed capital, I cap my project at 50 billion. After a few weeks, I will raise the limit or create a new one with different terms, but currently, that's the capital which I can make it work to produce that kind of interest. |
Elizabeth Norn
Nornir Research
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Posted - 2014.07.11 22:16:00 -
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Kuri Kurvora wrote:
About the maximum investment allowed:
Per person: unlimited Project capacity: 50 billion
As it's my first project with borrowed capital, I cap my project at 50 billion. After a few weeks, I will raise the limit or create a new one with different terms, but currently, that's the capital which I can make it work to produce that kind of interest.
You're optimistic . How much are you currently trading with? .
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Kuri Kurvora
Black VooDoo Asassins The Kadeshi
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Posted - 2014.07.11 22:18:00 -
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Elizabeth Norn wrote:Kuri Kurvora wrote:
About the maximum investment allowed:
Per person: unlimited Project capacity: 50 billion
As it's my first project with borrowed capital, I cap my project at 50 billion. After a few weeks, I will raise the limit or create a new one with different terms, but currently, that's the capital which I can make it work to produce that kind of interest.
You're optimistic . How much are you currently trading with?
That's an information I do not want to share, but I can tell you a project like this would raise my capital between 25% and 50 %.
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Evil Brock Nelson
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Posted - 2014.07.11 22:22:00 -
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Given that the Crius is coming out in 1.5 weeks, have you taken into account about how much the change will impact your trading and manufacturing setup?
What's on Sisi in terms of manufacturing numbers may not even be the final form. CCP's already stated in the past that they learn from Tyrannis when it comes to revealing those numbers before the expansion gets released.
Also, will you submit to an audit to verify that you are indeed involved with trading and manufacturing. |
Kuri Kurvora
Black VooDoo Asassins The Kadeshi
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Posted - 2014.07.11 22:32:00 -
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Evil Brock Nelson wrote:Given that the Crius is coming out in 1.5 weeks, have you taken into account about how much the change will impact your trading and manufacturing setup?
What's on Sisi in terms of manufacturing numbers may not even be the final form. CCP's already stated in the past that they learn from Tyrannis when it comes to revealing those numbers before the expansion gets released.
Also, will you submit to an audit to verify that you are indeed involved with trading and manufacturing.
Crius:
Yes. Before the decision of making this project, I have taken into account everything about the patch, and there isn't any significant chance that it would change profits so negativly I couldn't guarantee the interest. My whole business stands on a lot of small legs, which I want to grow bigger. Trading alone could easily absorb the project's funds and way more, manufacturing is another big pool which I plan to grow. But as you mentioned, Crius will change the whole manufacturing part of my business, so pumping capital into that part of my business could and will be delayed by a few weeks, and still during that time trading could easily produce the wanted interest.
It depends on what audit you mean, but I am eager to attend anything to prove the project's legitimacy. |
Evil Brock Nelson
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Posted - 2014.07.11 22:40:00 -
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What I mean by audit is someone thrustworthy will take a peak at your transaction history and market history to verify that you are indeed trading and if that trading can support your statement that you can make 3.5% interest payment on 50b loan weekly.
Looking at your skills wouldn't hurt either to verify you are indeed building stuff. |
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Kuri Kurvora
Black VooDoo Asassins The Kadeshi
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Posted - 2014.07.11 22:46:00 -
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Evil Brock Nelson wrote:What I mean by audit is someone thrustworthy will take a peak at your transaction history and market history to verify that you are indeed trading and if that trading can support your statement that you can make 3.5% interest payment on 50b loan weekly.
Looking at your skills wouldn't hurt either to verify you are indeed building stuff.
From personal bad experiences, I can't let anyone to use my api. (That's the purpose to use the third party service (Chribba) for repayments. To avoid API checks). Also, it would reveal plenty of my alts, which is my most discrete information about my identity. Sadly, with an information like this, I can't trust literally anyone. |
Evil Brock Nelson
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Posted - 2014.07.11 23:01:00 -
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That's why we have auditors, they look at your stuff and don't even bother to use that information, I can tell you that from my personal experience that I didn't care about what others were trading. The purpose is just to verify what you're saying. Anybody can come in MD, start a thread saying "I do lots of trading and manufacturing, gimmie 50b"
The purpose of using third party for any venture (except for collateral exchange) is completely useless. You can send interest payment and if 1 person out of 20 investors said they didn't receive interest payment, you can have an auditor verify if that's true or not.
Chribba cannot protect investors against false claims such as "I can make 1.75b a week doing trading and manufacturing". It's easy, yes but it's also easy to make a thread saying you can make that much in interest payment per week and bam, you're 50b richer because of some sapless rich eve player who didn't bother to do some fact checking.
Lets look at the facts here
1. Unknown to MD forum, no prior history. Only post prior to this thread is a recruitment thread.
2. 50b, no collateral, and with no prior history, that's unheard of unless you ran Phaser Inc.
3. No audit. Audits are by no means a perfect way to weed out scammers but it can at the very least verify that you are indeed doing what you claim to. I went over to Eveboard and found your skillset, it's not exactly an impressive set of skills for manufacturing but you do have decent skillset for trading.
4. You said 50b would be an increase of 50% of the capital available to you, so that means you have at least 100b of assets and liquid isk available. Are none of them available to use as collateral? |
Wingmate
Raven's Flight Reconstructed Criticism
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Posted - 2014.07.11 23:03:00 -
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no api, no history of working investments, 50b buyin? I'M IN.
edit: it means that he owns a fitted titan and nothing else, therefore, 100b. i make spreadsheets for pretty cheap. contact me for more info.
https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=197433 |
Kuri Kurvora
Black VooDoo Asassins The Kadeshi
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Posted - 2014.07.11 23:21:00 -
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Evil Brock Nelson wrote:That's why we have auditors, they look at your stuff and don't even bother to use that information, I can tell you that from my personal experience that I didn't care about what others were trading. The purpose is just to verify what you're saying. Anybody can come in MD, start a thread saying "I do lots of trading and manufacturing, gimmie 50b"
The purpose of using third party for any venture (except for collateral exchange) is completely useless. You can send interest payment and if 1 person out of 20 investors said they didn't receive interest payment, you can have an auditor verify if that's true or not.
Chribba cannot protect investors against false claims such as "I can make 1.75b a week doing trading and manufacturing". It's easy, yes but it's also easy to make a thread saying you can make that much in interest payment per week and bam, you're 50b richer because of some sapless rich eve player who didn't bother to do some fact checking.
Lets look at the facts here
1. Unknown to MD forum, no prior history. Only post prior to this thread is a recruitment thread.
2. 50b, no collateral, and with no prior history, that's unheard of unless you ran Phaser Inc.
3. No audit. Audits are by no means a perfect way to weed out scammers but it can at the very least verify that you are indeed doing what you claim to. I went over to Eveboard and found your skillset, it's not exactly an impressive set of skills for manufacturing but you do have decent skillset for trading.
4. You said 50b would be an increase of 50% of the capital available to you, so that means you have at least 100b of assets and liquid isk available. Are none of them available to use as collateral?
1. Yes, and I have to tell you I wasn't hoping an instant 50 billion isk deposit. My idea about of the procedure is that I could find a few smaller investors who would make small deposits and after suessful repays, they would raise their investments, some bigger investors would come and so on while I could build my own reputation with completed transactions. My only thing which in my opinion raises my trustworthiness to a level, where a minimum 100 million isk investment would be a fair risk taking considered the interest is that I come with my main, didn't bring any of my alts. I know reputation is everything in this area of business, and I have one chance to get in.
2. Read 1.
3. I must tell that manufacturing only produces about 5-10% of my current profit, a lot (and I mean really a lot) of space to expand in this territory, but my trade operation can drain alone that amount of capital, as I mentioned before. In the following weeks, I am planing to pour most of the isk into trading, during that, but a bit slower expanding my manufacturing. I understand one wants to know how his or her investment will be handled and how will it produce the correct interest, and we are on the edge of a serious industrial patch.
4. Not of a significant value, and also, they are in use 7/24.
Wingmate wrote:no api, no history of working investments, 50b buyin? I'M IN.
edit: it means that he owns a fitted titan and nothing else, therefore, 100b.
Please read the above text if you have serious thoughts about the topic, anyway I do not know how to handle posts like yours. Thank you. |
Koniforous
Tauren Transit
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Posted - 2014.07.11 23:36:00 -
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Kuri Kurvora wrote:Elizabeth Norn wrote:Kuri Kurvor wrote:Interest and repayment will be paid back by using Chribba's service.
What do you mean by this? I will send him the money, and he forwards it, so in the future, it will be a proper evidence of my legitimacy. lol...
EDIT: I'll try to be more constructive; You claim to be using a 3rd party service to prove your legitimacy, but then claim that 3rd party service will only be used to prove that funds have been paid. What is to stop you from just taking the 50bil and not paying any interest or principle amounts? This all sounds interesting and even believable, except for this little 3rd party quark. Am I missing something here? Do you have a popular main that I don't know about and I should? My apologies if so. TAUTX Bank: 12.5% of profits paid to investors monthly. More info: https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=322582&find=unread |
Kuri Kurvora
Black VooDoo Asassins The Kadeshi
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Posted - 2014.07.11 23:38:00 -
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Koniforous wrote:Kuri Kurvora wrote:Elizabeth Norn wrote:Kuri Kurvor wrote:Interest and repayment will be paid back by using Chribba's service.
What do you mean by this? I will send him the money, and he forwards it, so in the future, it will be a proper evidence of my legitimacy. lol...
... in case if someone states I didn't send the payment. |
Kuri Kurvora
Black VooDoo Asassins The Kadeshi
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Posted - 2014.07.12 00:01:00 -
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Koniforous wrote:Kuri Kurvora wrote:Elizabeth Norn wrote:Kuri Kurvor wrote:Interest and repayment will be paid back by using Chribba's service.
What do you mean by this? I will send him the money, and he forwards it, so in the future, it will be a proper evidence of my legitimacy. lol... EDIT: I'll try to be more constructive; You claim to be using a 3rd party service to prove your legitimacy, but then claim that 3rd party service will only be used to prove that funds have been paid. What is to stop you from just taking the 50bil and not paying any interest or principle amounts? This all sounds interesting and even believable, except for this little 3rd party quark. Am I missing something here? Do you have a popular main that I don't know about and I should? My apologies if so.
Thanks for being more gentle.
In fact, nothing.
Currently, I don't have any reputation, but I belive there is someone out there who will to risk a few hunder million isk on an investment which can yield in my opinion pretty nice interest rate. As I stated before, I don't expect that all of the project will be funded.
On the long run, it would yield me way more if I would build up a reputation for myself, then just running away with a few billions. I am a trader, not a scammer, but only time will prove this, and those steps, which lead eventually a higher reputation, the small investments.
Don't look at that 50 bill like a strict goal which I have to reach. That's just a personal cap, a limit which within I can guarantee the mentioned interest. Also, I could make a per person limit, but if I do not I have the chance that someone with big capital invests and then I could skip a lot of small steps with micro-investment stated above.
I hope I could express myself to you, even if it can't satisfy your expectations.
You don't have to apologise, I do not have any popular main. Yet. |
Elizabeth Norn
Nornir Research
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Posted - 2014.07.12 06:31:00 -
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If you're not willing to share your API then perhaps you could post some old or censored screenshots of your orders and transaction or industry history.
You have to remember that dozens of people with no history whose only intention is to get some easy ISK come here asking for money, make claims that they cannot prove for one reason or another and use exactly the same reasoning and arguments that you have. API checks simply weed out those who just post with unused alts begging for ISK. .
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Kuri Kurvora
Black VooDoo Asassins The Kadeshi
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Posted - 2014.07.12 16:00:00 -
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Elizabeth Norn wrote:If you're not willing to share your API then perhaps you could post some old or censored screenshots of your orders and transaction or industry history.
You have to remember that dozens of people with no history whose only intention is to get some easy ISK come here asking for money, make claims that they cannot prove for one reason or another and use exactly the same reasoning and arguments that you have. API checks simply weed out those who just post with unused alts begging for ISK.
I see your point of sending a censored screenshot, but I don't think that would prove anything as I would have to censore most of the informations to protect my interest.
Anyway, I take the chance and would like to ask you wether or not an eve-mogul page of mine would prove worthy informations for investors? |
Korgan Medel
Veerhouven Ventures Veerhouven Group Alliance
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Posted - 2014.07.12 17:16:00 -
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Can you offer any collateral? |
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Kuri Kurvora
Black VooDoo Asassins The Kadeshi
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Posted - 2014.07.12 17:20:00 -
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Korgan Medel wrote:Can you offer any collateral?
Not of a significant value I have in items, my blueprints aren't expensive, and most of my ISKs in work . I was thinking about starting another project with collateralised loans, but thats only purpose would be that I could gain some reputation for uncollateralized loans. (When my capital already earn isk, it doesn't make sense to collateral isk which would do the same thing but less effectively (cause of interest)). |
Elizabeth Norn
Nornir Research
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Posted - 2014.07.12 22:55:00 -
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Kuri Kurvora wrote:Elizabeth Norn wrote:If you're not willing to share your API then perhaps you could post some old or censored screenshots of your orders and transaction or industry history.
You have to remember that dozens of people with no history whose only intention is to get some easy ISK come here asking for money, make claims that they cannot prove for one reason or another and use exactly the same reasoning and arguments that you have. API checks simply weed out those who just post with unused alts begging for ISK. I see your point of sending a censored screenshot, but I don't think that would prove anything as I would have to censore most of the informations to protect my interest. Anyway, I take the chance and would like to ask you wether or not an eve-mogul page of mine would prove worthy informations for investors?
What have you got to lose? Post both the screenshots and your eve-mogul page :). .
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Kuri Kurvora
Black VooDoo Asassins The Kadeshi
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Posted - 2014.07.13 13:02:00 -
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Elizabeth Norn wrote:Kuri Kurvora wrote:Elizabeth Norn wrote:If you're not willing to share your API then perhaps you could post some old or censored screenshots of your orders and transaction or industry history.
You have to remember that dozens of people with no history whose only intention is to get some easy ISK come here asking for money, make claims that they cannot prove for one reason or another and use exactly the same reasoning and arguments that you have. API checks simply weed out those who just post with unused alts begging for ISK. I see your point of sending a censored screenshot, but I don't think that would prove anything as I would have to censore most of the informations to protect my interest. Anyway, I take the chance and would like to ask you wether or not an eve-mogul page of mine would prove worthy informations for investors? What have you got to lose? Post both the screenshots and your eve-mogul page :).
Okay. Later this day I will upload a few screenshots and my public link for Eve-mogul (anyway I was 10th top trader yesterday with this acc, and its only use just a part of my working capital) |
Kuri Kurvora
Black VooDoo Asassins The Kadeshi
0
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Posted - 2014.07.13 20:35:00 -
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Eve-mogul profile link added in first post:
https://www.eve-mogul.com/reports/profile/232/Aqo0BfuXm73BRN7aWqkZRBgRsDsH9nff
About the screenshots, I haven't figured out yet what to include in it and what not. |
Jeronica
Tackled In Belt xXPlease Pandemic Citizens Reloaded Alliance.Xx
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Posted - 2014.07.14 00:10:00 -
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It may also take a few days for your stock levels to be generated, depending on your method of trading (high volume/low prices vs low volume/high prices). So your profits should go up as more data is collected. EVE-Mogul: https://www.eve-mogul.com CEO/Programmer Trade Profit Tracking Service |
Kuri Kurvora
Black VooDoo Asassins The Kadeshi
0
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Posted - 2014.07.14 08:15:00 -
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Jeronica wrote:It may also take a few days for your stock levels to be generated, depending on your method of trading (high volume/low prices vs low volume/high prices). So your profits should go up as more data is collected.
Thanks for your reply.
I also take the chance to say a big thank you for your work with this site. It's awesome. Can't wait to try out the elite functions. 5 billion isk in trading. |-áLooking for investors for uncollateralized loan. |
Vaako Omaristos
Alaitoc Private Trading Group
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Posted - 2014.07.21 12:05:00 -
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i am willing to invest 100m |
Kuri Kurvora
Black VooDoo Asassins The Kadeshi
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Posted - 2014.07.21 12:10:00 -
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Vaako Omaristos wrote:i am willing to invest 100m
Thank you for the deal. Please tell the duration of the investment, and also send the money. Once received, I update the first post accordingly. Looking for uncollateralized and collateralized loans. |
Vaako Omaristos
Alaitoc Private Trading Group
1
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Posted - 2014.07.21 12:18:00 -
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100m for 4 weeks, with the option to both increase and extend the investment.
I will transfer the money around 1800 GMT tonight |
Vaako Omaristos
Alaitoc Private Trading Group
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Posted - 2014.07.22 07:45:00 -
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Money has been transferred. |
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