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Ria Nieyli
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Posted - 2014.07.17 22:29:00 -
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flakeys wrote:Elbie Klep wrote: I can afford to lose the odd freighter out of petty cash, but to a noob that Obelisk, Orca, Hulk, or faction L4 runner is a huge investment that took them a long time to get. (1/3 of the value per month for insurance? How many noobs can afford that for large ships?) That's severe frustration.
When i started playing eve i started as most people with mining.You started mining in a frig , then a cruiser to eventually end up in the ulitmate mining ship , the apoc.So after having spend many many months i finally got myself the thing i started for , a raven , and i lost that ship within the time span of max 4 hours ''hello ecp and beybey ecp '' . My mind was blown and i was gazing at the screen for minutes wich seemed hours ... and then it hit me , the frustration was higher then i had experienced in any other mmorpg/game i had ever played and eve got me hooked for years and years to come. Why this story?Because that is how ''vets'' got hooked into eve but today's ''players'' mostly do the opposite.Any game that can give you a downfeeling is thrown in the corner because of it being '' too frustrating'' as you play to relax from rl stuff where as the oldschool/and to some extent the exeptional newbro plays to get the thrills wich rl lacks. Take away the frustration from backstabbing / ganking / steeling asshats you meet in your eve carreer and you end up with a game as blend as the other mmorpgs.All of the former are playstyles i haven't done myself and i doubt i ever would because of ''eve-bushido'' but if it was ever removed from the game i would immediatly cancel all my accounts. But then i'm sure that one day that will happen and CCP will be ''forced'' to adapt to the general boredom that is mmorpg's these days.
To be honest, considering base gameplay mechanics, EvE is worse than other gaming products on the markets be it MMOs or other types of games.
When you consider the interactions that you can have with other players in EvE, however... take this subforum for example, with all the loans and bonds and such... it's stuff like that that makes me play. Well, that and the skillqueue. Please help. Do not remove a fly from your friend's forehead with a hatchet.
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Tulber
Caldari State
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Posted - 2014.07.17 23:47:00 -
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Ria Nieyli wrote: To be honest, considering base gameplay mechanics, EvE is worse than other gaming products on the markets be it MMOs or other types of games.
When you consider the interactions that you can have with other players in EvE, however... take this subforum for example, with all the loans and bonds and such... it's stuff like that that makes me play. Well, that and the skillqueue. Please help.
Eh... that first bit is a rather tiresome cliche. I've been around a while and i'm starting from scratch for the second time here. The mechanics are certainly rough around the edges and in some places worse than others, but the market and interconnection of the content is way ahead of every other game I've seen or heard of. I don't follow a lot of mmo's lately, but I've never seen one yet that essentially requires your interaction with the player marketplace like EVE does. Doing it all yourself in most mmos is a popular way to play. Doing it all yourself in EVE would require dozens of alts, a colition of players to give you access to all the necessary moons, and the latter essentially precludes the "do it yourself," scenario.
Really, when you get down to brass tacks, the interactions are the game, but those intereactions only take place in the context of the game. This isn't reddit with a skillqueue. It's a spaceship game with a whole lot of ways to participate in or generate unique meta content. |
Sh0plifter
Underworld Initiative
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Posted - 2014.07.18 01:31:00 -
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Ria Nieyli wrote: To be honest, considering base gameplay mechanics, EvE is worse than other gaming products on the markets be it MMOs or other types of games.
When you consider the interactions that you can have with other players in EvE, however... take this subforum for example, with all the loans and bonds and such... it's stuff like that that makes me play. Well, that and the skillqueue. Please help.
Absolutely not. Eve is not your 1 thru = MMO. You dont have 30 abilities to use in a certain order. Eve is not your 1-6 MMO either. Eve is in its own field. An entire economy completely user ran. Multiple possibilities to range for active and semi-active players. You can do many things under the tense of "Do-it-yourself" but why? Most people do not play computer (internet) video games to play by themselves. They play for the interaction. The biggest problem new people see when they start up is the effort that goes into starting. You are talking getting money with cheap or free ships. Buying your basic skills and training them. Without a mentor in this game, or people to play with. Starting up sucks. You could not ultimately simplify the mechanics for this game, if they did it would draw new people as it would push people away as well. People play for the diversity and complexity of this game. Everything now, for the most part requires more than yourself. Sure you can run missions solo, you can have an arsenal of alts for production/industrial stuff. Sure you can have an alt army for hauling, trading, etc. However the bigger picture of this game is not single-player friend. People are figuring this out and getting groups together to go run through lowsec. People are figuring this out as they go base out of low-sec or nullsec systems to enjoy a riskier PVE environment. Could you solo-do it all? Absolutely, I have done it. Boring as all hell though.
For PVP, you play against new people all the time. Always a new face to be shot at. For Industrialists you have entire corporations that work together to help build stuff. Mining operations where people sit and chat while dumping ore into orcas. What else is there to do while mining other than interact with people there? For mission runners, alot of new people start off in corps that run missions with them. They may be salvaging stuff as they go. But they have people to play with, to help guide them.
The users who most of the time do not stick around do not put the effort into the MMO portion of the game. They try to do single-player while figuring it out. Which ultimately leads to most also uninstalling after a week or the trial.
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OllieNorth
Recidivists Incorporated
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Posted - 2014.07.18 18:39:00 -
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There are few constants in life, but one of them is that every time I come back to EVE after a few months off, I can guarantee that there will be a Bad Bobby thread and a "Is PLEX crashing" thread. I love you all.
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Amarr Citizen 1312151005
Royal Amarr Institute Amarr Empire
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Posted - 2014.07.19 07:38:00 -
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The bubble is very real. The only people saying that it is not are the ones who invested deeply in plex. Just like all the morons who bought apple stock at it's highest prices right before iphone 5 came out only to have that bubble burst with in days.
The plex bubble will in deed burst anyone who says otherwise is only trying not to lose there ass on the plex they bought as investment. |
Vaerah Vahrokha
Vahrokh Consulting
5455
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Posted - 2014.07.19 08:15:00 -
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Amarr Citizen 1312151005 wrote:The bubble is very real. The only people saying that it is not are the ones who invested deeply in plex. Just like all the morons who bought apple stock at it's highest prices right before iphone 5 came out only to have that bubble burst with in days.
The plex bubble will in deed burst anyone who says otherwise is only trying not to lose there ass on the plex they bought as investment.
Markets are made by money and facts.
Let talk those who talk, they are irrelevant, exactly like the many mouthpieces that pretend to be relevant in RL economy. They themselves are after something else which is not money but power by proxy (which later also allows to get money). Auditing | Collateral holding and insurance | Consulting | PLEX for Good Charity
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flakeys
Caldari Provisions Caldari State
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Posted - 2014.07.19 13:25:00 -
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OllieNorth wrote:There are few constants in life, but one of them is that every time I come back to EVE after a few months off, I can guarantee that there will be a Bad Bobby thread and a "Is PLEX crashing" thread. I love you all.
/would like pledge 20b
Bobby is too much busy with making tea these days it seems .
We are all born ignorant, but one must work hard to remain stupid.
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Nemah Xadi
Hedion University Amarr Empire
3
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Posted - 2014.07.19 13:55:00 -
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Amarr Citizen 1312151005 wrote:The plex bubble will in deed burst anyone who says otherwise is only trying not to lose there ass on the plex they bought as investment.
And I suppose anyone who says what you're saying is only hoping to create a temporary dip so they can pick up more PLEX cheap? Maybe because you feel you didn't get in the game early enough?
There was a slight crash and now prices are heading back up again. People did not panic sell en masse, because there is no reason to. PLEX lasts forever, and the people who hold PLEX tend to be thinking long term and do not need to sell off their stash in order to get some ISK.
This is why the "bubble" can keep inflating indefinitely. |
Tulber
Caldari State
3
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Posted - 2014.07.19 16:28:00 -
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Nemah Xadi wrote:People did not panic sell en masse, because there is no reason to. PLEX lasts forever, and the people who hold PLEX tend to be thinking long term and do not need to sell off their stash in order to get some ISK.
This is why the "bubble" can keep inflating indefinitely.
TIL the market for PLEX is perfectly inelastic. |
Amarr Citizen 1312151005
Royal Amarr Institute Amarr Empire
44
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Posted - 2014.07.20 07:41:00 -
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Nemah Xadi wrote:
This is why the "bubble" can keep inflating indefinitely.
Right until is burst. People invested to much into plex now they are trying to undermine the fact that there is a bubble and it can and will burst.
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Steve Celeste
Overdogs
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Posted - 2014.07.20 08:20:00 -
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Amarr Citizen 1312151005 wrote:Nemah Xadi wrote:
This is why the "bubble" can keep inflating indefinitely.
Right until is burst. People invested to much into plex now they are trying to undermine the fact that there is a bubble and it can and will burst. If people "invested too much" they can just sell some plex. You can have a trillion in plex and turn it into ISK in a week without crashing the market. That's just another advantage of putting your spare ISK into plex.
But please do keep shouting BUBBLE from the sidelines if you like stagnating wealth. |
Swidgen
Republic University Minmatar Republic
147
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Posted - 2014.07.20 09:43:00 -
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Vaerah Vahrokha wrote:They themselves are after something else which is not money but power by proxy (which later also allows to get money). Power comes after money unless you live in some backwater 3rd world dump. First you get the money. Then you get the power. Then you get the women. Tony Montana: head and shoulders above the rest and telling it like it is since 1983. |
Vaerah Vahrokha
Vahrokh Consulting
5455
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Posted - 2014.07.20 10:28:00 -
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Swidgen wrote:Vaerah Vahrokha wrote:They themselves are after something else which is not money but power by proxy (which later also allows to get money). Power comes after money unless you live in some backwater 3rd world dump. First you get the money. Then you get the power. Then you get the women. Tony Montana: head and shoulders above the rest and telling it like it is since 1983.
It depends on country. In my old one, people would all go into politics FIRST, then boast of their high connections and slowly "bubble up" in society till they become important enough to start becoming visible. Once visible they accept lots of money to steer government decisions (aka corruption, but there it's the ways things go). Auditing | Collateral holding and insurance | Consulting | PLEX for Good Charity
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Erin Crawford
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Posted - 2014.07.20 12:17:00 -
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going slightly to; but I would go so far to say that in todays world wealth buys information and information provides access to more wealth which in turn provides power/influence. Power/influence then again opens doors to even more information which again leads to more wealth and so on...
wealth - information - power... repeat...
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TedStriker
The Scope Gallente Federation
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Posted - 2014.07.20 14:34:00 -
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Plex crashing? Its up 80Mil in June alone....a small dip of 20mil for 1 day is nothing.
Call me when we are back at 500Mil, you know, when you guys (its always the same ones) cryed for the crash...because it has to happen somday right?...blub. Learn what PLEX is and you will understand why it moves diametrically to the market (the market is nearly deflating right now, PLEX heavely inflating...thats a hint). |
Lebraid Leusten
Republic University Minmatar Republic
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Posted - 2014.07.20 18:35:00 -
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Erin Crawford wrote:going slightly to; but I would go so far to say that in todays world wealth buys information and information provides access to more wealth which in turn provides power/influence. Power/influence then again opens doors to even more information which again leads to more wealth and so on...
wealth - information - power... repeat...
Political power is the only means to get wealth in a fascist system like Europe and the united states. |
Nemah Xadi
Hedion University Amarr Empire
4
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Posted - 2014.07.20 19:43:00 -
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Lebraid Leusten wrote:Political power is the only means to get wealth in a fascist system like Europe and the united states.
Yeah, everyone knows Bill Gates and Steve Jobs' best qualities were their social skills. |
Kuri Kurvora
Black VooDoo Asassins The Kadeshi
3
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Posted - 2014.07.21 11:10:00 -
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I don't think it will ever crash. It will consistently raising to a point where demand and supply will be in balance. And currently, where businessmen earns several plex worth of isk per day, demand is much bigger.
When it get's to a point, when the ISK grinders can't afford that 50-60 or more game hours to farm out it, and just buy with real money, then demand will start to fall a bit, but price won't crash, just stay at a constant level.
That level in my opinion will be more than 2.000.000.000 isk for sure.
Please tell me that I am wrong, but in that case also tell an explanation too. Looking for uncollateralized and collateralized loans. |
Zappity
Stay Frosty. A Band Apart.
1230
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Posted - 2014.07.21 11:45:00 -
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Kuri Kurvora wrote:Please tell me that I am wrong, but in that case also tell an explanation too. OK. The increased demand you correctly speak of is not based on any fundamental change in plex usage. It is not based on inflation because the economy actually deflated over the last year. It is not, to any meaningful extent, based on the plex for [service] features CCP offers. The fanfest economy presentation made this clear.
The increased demand is driven by speculation. This is not 'real' demand. There was similar demand for tulips once upon a time. And dot com shares.
I believe that plex will eventually reach well over a billion. It might even reach it in the current surge. But I doubt it will be sustained in the current surge because the demand is not based on a fundamental increase in the value of a plex. Zappity's Adventures for a taste of lowsec. |
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