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Brian Harrelstein
Science and Trade Institute Caldari State
7
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Posted - 2014.07.13 21:55:00 -
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For what it's worth, Jan 1 is considered summer in the southern hemisphere. |
Ocih
Space Mermaids Somethin Awfull Forums
635
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Posted - 2014.07.13 22:16:00 -
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Mr Epeen wrote:Brigitte wrote:
1.1 2011 - 35 000 online 1.1 2012 - 30 000 online 1.1 2013 - 34 000 online 1.1 2014 - 33 000 online
Does it look like there's more people playing eve every year?
It would be nice to see the numbers steadily rising, but they aren't really falling either. I think the game has peaked. Without radical change it's unlikely that we'll see much change one way or the other. EVE has pretty much attracted everyone it ever will. Fortunately they are a dedicated bunch and it doesn't seem like they'll be bailing any time soon. Even the rage quitters come back with their tail between their legs after they think no one will notice. While more people playing would be good to see, I just don't think it's going to happen. Mr Epeen
Agreed on the peak and no, I don't see higher numbers either.
Based on my experience as the years go by EVE is only playable in small doses and the doses get smaller each year. To the tune of 2 months a year lately. I doubt very much it's just me and more and more Vets are dropping sub to go play some other flavor on a regular basis. Nothing I have seen indicates CCP is concerned about it or they haven't introduced anything that would cause me to go back to 10-12 months a year subscription. |
James Amril-Kesh
4S Corporation Goonswarm Federation
10662
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Posted - 2014.07.13 22:25:00 -
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Oh, you're one of those insufferable "I resubbed to ***** about the game" types. No, this isn't it at all. Make it more... psssshhhh. |
Arsine Mayhem
Tribal Liberation Force Minmatar Republic
203
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Posted - 2014.07.13 22:31:00 -
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So we need someone dancing around in their Gloria Estefan pants to tell us this? |
Ramona McCandless
The McCandless Clan
6250
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Posted - 2014.07.13 22:34:00 -
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Brigitte wrote:Ramona McCandless wrote:
Does it look like there's less? Looks around the same, give or take
Im sure that one third of a percent is all the proof anyone needs that EvE are dyingTM
Yeah, it's been same for 4 years. I did not say it's dying, I said it's stagnating, and if it looks same for 4 years, it is stagnating..that's pretty obvious ain't it
Why is that obvious? Why stagnation and not stability?
stagnation noun 1. the state or condition of stagnating, or having stopped, as by ceasing to run or flow 2. a foulness or staleness, as one emanating from a standing pool of water. 3. a failure to develop, progress, or advance: periods of economic stagnation followed by bursts of growth. 4. the state or quality of being or feeling sluggish and dull: Happily, they have been able to avoid stagnation in their ten-year marriage.
stability GÇé noun 1. the state or quality of being stable. 2. firmness in position. 3. continuance without change; permanence. 4. Chemistry . resistance or the degree of resistance to chemical change or disintegration. 5. resistance to change, especially sudden change or deterioration: The stability of the economy encourages investment.
Seems to me that for an extremely niche game type, the population of EvE shows "resistance to change, especially sudden change or deterioration" not "having stopped, as by ceasing to run or flow" "Many have joined the battle, many have survived the tests and trials, but countless have fallen because they weren't the sharpest, the fastest thinking, the most devious, the most ruthless or most intelligent. -áLog in and Compete!"-á- CCP Falcon
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Alavaria Fera
GoonWaffe
6229
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Posted - 2014.07.14 00:35:00 -
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William Ruben wrote:Li Quiao wrote:Seven Koskanaiken wrote:http://themittani.com/content/traffic-control-newbie-zone
Not even a troll, honest. Getting tips on improving the newbie experience from a Goonswam leader is like getting home security tips from Charles Manson. Goonswarm has a very positive attitude towards newbies and shower them in isk and ships and make them FC right off the bat. There is a reason why you all complain about the "Goon Zerg". Those players come from somewhere It's the secret to our power you see.
If all you did was gank our newbies in their 10-day ratting ship with your interceptor gang, we'd be helpless. No wait, something is wrong with that picture... ^^ Delicious goon ((tech nerf, siphon, drone assist, supercap)) tears.
Taking a wrecking ball to the futile hopes and broken dreams of skillless blobbers. |
William Ruben
The Greater Goon Clockwork Pineapple
22
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Posted - 2014.07.14 00:49:00 -
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Alavaria Fera wrote:William Ruben wrote:Li Quiao wrote:Seven Koskanaiken wrote:http://themittani.com/content/traffic-control-newbie-zone
Not even a troll, honest. Getting tips on improving the newbie experience from a Goonswam leader is like getting home security tips from Charles Manson. Goonswarm has a very positive attitude towards newbies and shower them in isk and ships and make them FC right off the bat. There is a reason why you all complain about the "Goon Zerg". Those players come from somewhere It's the secret to our power you see. If all you did was gank our newbies in their 10-day ratting ship with your interceptor gang, we'd be helpless. No wait, something is wrong with that picture... Yeah.
You're blue to us |
Hasikan Miallok
Republic University Minmatar Republic
958
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Posted - 2014.07.14 01:11:00 -
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Not really wanting to agree with Mittani (it feels dirty somehow) but the idea of getting rid of the initial starter systems has merit.
You could keep the 12 schools and possibly create a couple of new ones in low and null.
Simply eliminate the Aura starter systems and have a single place with better survival training. Teach new players essential survival stuff like using d-scan and using the bookmarks for safe spots, insta undocks and docks etc before they get in the game proper. Then when they need to leave they can choose which school (including new nullsec schools) they transfer to. |
Alavaria Fera
GoonWaffe
6229
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Posted - 2014.07.14 01:15:00 -
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William Ruben wrote:Alavaria Fera wrote:William Ruben wrote:Li Quiao wrote:Seven Koskanaiken wrote:http://themittani.com/content/traffic-control-newbie-zone
Not even a troll, honest. Getting tips on improving the newbie experience from a Goonswam leader is like getting home security tips from Charles Manson. Goonswarm has a very positive attitude towards newbies and shower them in isk and ships and make them FC right off the bat. There is a reason why you all complain about the "Goon Zerg". Those players come from somewhere It's the secret to our power you see. If all you did was gank our newbies in their 10-day ratting ship with your interceptor gang, we'd be helpless. No wait, something is wrong with that picture... Yeah. You're blue to us It's part of being a blobber. ^^ Delicious goon ((tech nerf, siphon, drone assist, supercap)) tears.
Taking a wrecking ball to the futile hopes and broken dreams of skillless blobbers. |
Falin Whalen
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
676
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Posted - 2014.07.14 01:20:00 -
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Alavaria Fera wrote: It's part of being a dirty blobber.
FYP. You forgot to get the pubbie narrative right. "it's only because of their stupidity that they're able to be so sure of themselves." The Trial - Franz Kafka-á |
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Anna Shole
MASS A DEATH Mordus Angels
2
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Posted - 2014.07.14 01:32:00 -
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Surprisingly, I agree with what he says. I think 99.999% of the goons are moronic retards, but this is an issue that has to be addressed. I want Eve to survive a long and prosperous life, mainly because I have so much time invested in it, and money. |
Alavaria Fera
GoonWaffe
6230
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Posted - 2014.07.14 02:12:00 -
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Falin Whalen wrote:Alavaria Fera wrote: It's part of being a dirty blobber.
FYP. You forgot to get the pubbie narrative right. Dishonorable and cowardly too, according to today's local chat.
Anna Shole wrote:Surprisingly, I agree with what he says. I think 99.999% of the goons are moronic retards, but this is an issue that has to be addressed. That sounds rather appropriate I guess. Help us be smarter, but wouldn't that be bad for you? ^^ Delicious goon ((tech nerf, siphon, drone assist, supercap)) tears.
Taking a wrecking ball to the futile hopes and broken dreams of skillless blobbers. |
Shederov Blood
Deadly Viper Kitten Mitten Sewing Company
1210
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Posted - 2014.07.14 02:52:00 -
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Brigitte wrote: 1.1 2011 - 35 000 online 1.1 2012 - 30 000 online 1.1 2013 - 34 000 online 1.1 2014 - 33 000 online
Does it look like there's more people playing eve every year?
When you compare a Tuesday and Wednesday in '13 and '14 against a Saturday in '11 like that, yes, it does look quite healthy. All those numbers show is that something must have gone horribly wrong just before '12 for the number to be that low on a Sunday. I wonder what that could have been?
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Alavaria Fera
GoonWaffe
6230
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Posted - 2014.07.14 02:54:00 -
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Shederov Blood wrote:Brigitte wrote: 1.1 2011 - 35 000 online 1.1 2012 - 30 000 online 1.1 2013 - 34 000 online 1.1 2014 - 33 000 online
Does it look like there's more people playing eve every year?
When you compare a Tuesday and Wednesday in '13 and '14 against a Saturday in '11 like that, yes, it does look quite healthy. All those numbers show is that something must have gone horribly wrong just before '12 for the number to be that low on a Sunday. I wonder what that could have been? oh snap, now the facts come out
run away, GD ^^ Delicious goon ((tech nerf, siphon, drone assist, supercap)) tears.
Taking a wrecking ball to the futile hopes and broken dreams of skillless blobbers. |
Mayhaw Morgan
State War Academy Caldari State
232
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Posted - 2014.07.14 03:51:00 -
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James Amril-Kesh wrote:NPC corps won't teach new players how to play the game at all. Of course player corps [teach] new players how they play the game. Why do you think is this a bad thing? Players join corps that do the things they want to do, so ipso facto those player corps teach them about what they want to learn. Don't like it? Join another corp.
Your negative assertion that NPC corps won't teach new players how to play the game is easily disproven. Log into one of your NPC alts and ask a noob question. I'll bet you get an answer. It may not be a good answer, but there is no greater guarantee you'll get a good answer in a player corp, and you don't have to quit the corp just for disagreeing, and all your **** won't be stranded in some low or null sec station because you disagreed with your "superior".
I don't think teaching another person how I play the game is bad, per se, but if that's all they ever learn, if they are discouraged and punished socially, physically, economically (within the confines of the game) for dissenting or deviating, THAT is bad. Now, go try to start a high sec mining or level 4 missioning fleet in your alliance channel and THEN come back at me with "We don't discourage or punish people for having a different playstyle." Please bring the transcripts of that interaction.
Val'Dore wrote:'Vet' players still in noob corps only serve one purpose, to misinform new players.
Any new player would learn far more by just getting out of the kiddie pool.
I see a lot of "vet players" giving out bad advice in the State War Academy channel. I see far fewer vet characters (i.e. characters with time and skillpoints invested in them) giving out bad advice in the State War Academy channel. That you are even aware of what goes on in noob corps leads me to believe that you spend a lot of time in them, despite having the character you are currently posting on. Would you care to elaborate as to why that is? And, could you also tell us how you know that new players would learn more from leaving the noob corp versus "staying in the kiddie pool"? It sounds like a lot of biased speculation to me.
Andski wrote:NPC corp chat is ridiculously toxic to new players, with brilliant advice like "don't ever leave hisec, just run missions." The people in NPC corps do more of that "teaching new players how THEY play the game" than anyone else.
Firstly, do tell us who the player is who gave such bad advice to a new player. I and a lot of other players that I know would shoot down "don't ever leave hisec" straight away.
Second, you are right that people in NPC corps will teach you HOW THEY play the game. The difference is that they can't blow you up (as easily), strand you in unsecure space (There's a funny story that contradicts that a little bit.), refuse to reimburse your losses (normally), steal your stuff (by taking it from a corp hangar), ostracize you (without being persuasive to others), etc. Also, there are lots of different people who won't all try to teach you the same exact things or impart the same philosophy on you. Really, I can't speak to your experiences in NPC channels. I can only speak to what I've personally experienced, and what I've experienced is a diverse group of people with differing agendas and playstyles, from carebear miners to missioners to explorers, wormholers, swashbuckling pirate types, null sec grunts, and probably even a few big wigs. They may not have been on their main characters, but that doesn't invalidate any of what they said or did. There is a wealth of experience there for a new player who has an open mind and the patience to understand what he/she is being told. |
FurBurger PotPie
Republic University Minmatar Republic
0
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Posted - 2014.07.14 04:00:00 -
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Shederov Blood wrote:Brigitte wrote: 1.1 2011 - 35 000 online 1.1 2012 - 30 000 online 1.1 2013 - 34 000 online 1.1 2014 - 33 000 online
Does it look like there's more people playing eve every year?
When you compare a Tuesday and Wednesday in '13 and '14 against a Saturday in '11 like that, yes, it does look quite healthy. All those numbers show is that something must have gone horribly wrong just before '12 for the number to be that low on a Sunday. I wonder what that could have been?
Everybody thought the world was gonna end in 2012, some thought it would be at the end of the year, some thought it would be the beginning of the year. People actually did something outside of eve that day to celebrate either the end of the world or the beginning of the end of the world. |
James Amril-Kesh
4S Corporation Goonswarm Federation
10664
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Posted - 2014.07.14 04:29:00 -
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Mayhaw Morgan wrote:James Amril-Kesh wrote:NPC corps won't teach new players how to play the game at all. Of course player corps [teach] new players how they play the game. Why do you think is this a bad thing? Players join corps that do the things they want to do, so ipso facto those player corps teach them about what they want to learn. Don't like it? Join another corp. Your negative assertion that NPC corps won't teach new players how to play the game is easily disproven. Log into one of your NPC alts and ask a noob question. I'll bet you get an answer. It may not be a good answer, but there is no greater guarantee you'll get a good answer in a player corp, Sure, they'll answer questions. But that's not teaching. Will an NPC corp teach you how to fly tackle? Will they teach you how to fly fleet logi?
Mayhaw Morgan wrote:and you don't have to quit the corp just for disagreeing, and all your **** won't be stranded in some low or null sec station because you disagreed with your "superior". Hahaha. Oh man. Feel free to ask RAZOR or 4S leadership what an obstinate **** I can be.
Mayhaw Morgan wrote:Now, go try to start a high sec mining or level 4 missioning fleet in your alliance channel and THEN come back at me with "We don't discourage or punish people for having a different playstyle." Please bring the transcripts of that interaction. Why? This is not a highsec mining or level 4 missioning corporation/alliance. If that's what you want to do, there are corps for that. Does it make sense to join factional warfare and form C6 capital escalation fleets? No. No, this isn't it at all. Make it more... psssshhhh. |
Hasikan Miallok
Republic University Minmatar Republic
958
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Posted - 2014.07.14 04:50:00 -
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James Amril-Kesh wrote:Mayhaw Morgan wrote:James Amril-Kesh wrote:NPC corps won't teach new players how to play the game at all. Of course player corps [teach] new players how they play the game. Why do you think is this a bad thing? Players join corps that do the things they want to do, so ipso facto those player corps teach them about what they want to learn. Don't like it? Join another corp. Your negative assertion that NPC corps won't teach new players how to play the game is easily disproven. Log into one of your NPC alts and ask a noob question. I'll bet you get an answer. It may not be a good answer, but there is no greater guarantee you'll get a good answer in a player corp, Sure, they'll answer questions. But that's not teaching. Will an NPC corp teach you how to fly tackle? Will they teach you how to fly fleet logi?
With alts in all sorts of NPC schools I can honestly say that most schools do not help new players but some schools actually do. A couple of Caldari schools seem the worst overall (scamming players engaging them in outmatched duels and telling the to "HTFU this is EVE" whilst some Gallente generally tend to be among thebest.
The non-school player corps are useless .... agreed on that.
Many smaller NPC corps that will take new players do not help new players much at all. |
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Chribba
Otherworld Enterprises Otherworld Empire
12213
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Posted - 2014.07.14 06:43:00 -
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James Amril-Kesh wrote:Hey Chribba it'd be nice if your graphs had labeled horizontal axes. We'd really appreciate it. Expand what you mean (since I haven't really followed what this thread is about and I have many graphs here and there displaying various stuff hehe)
/c
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Mayhaw Morgan
State War Academy Caldari State
232
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Posted - 2014.07.14 06:54:00 -
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James Amril-Kesh wrote:Sure, they'll answer questions. But that's not teaching. Will an NPC corp teach you how to fly tackle? Will they teach you how to fly fleet logi?
Telling is just another way of showing, but to answer your question, yes, some people in NPC corps will SHOW YOU how to fly tackle, light, medium, heavy, fast, precision, suicide, long or short range. But will someone in your corp show them how to mine veldspar? Will someone in your corp show them how to fit their hauler to not get suicide ganked taking mission loot to Jita? Or will you tell them to **** off because those are carebear activities? Oh, look! We have an answer.
James Amril-Kesh wrote:Why [form a high sec mining or mission running fleet]? This is not a highsec mining or level 4 missioning corporation/alliance. IF THAT'S WHAT YOU WANT TO DO, THERE ARE CORPS FOR THAT. Does it make sense to join factional warfare and form C6 capital escalation fleets? No.
Or, in other words, if you want to mine in high sec or run level 4 missions, "get the **** out of our corp". (And, good luck getting all your stuff back to high sec by yourself.) You have made my point for me.
What you aren't realizing is that by bad mouthing NPC corps and players and the "carebearish" activities that new players do, you are pushing the ones who are more inclined towards PVP and null sec into taking the plunge and joining a "real" corp, but for the ones who aren't so inclined (probably the majority of new players), you are just pushing them out of the game. They're not obligated to take a bunch of **** from people like you, and they're not obligated to pay for a game that is full of such people.
Player corporations are supposed to attract new players, but what they have decided to do instead is destroy the alternative (with propoganda) in the hopes that new players will default to them. But, most people actually default to not subscribing. Some people respond to aggression with submission and subservience (i.e. they comply with the demands of the aggressor), but there are alternatives. Evasion is one of them. Some people would rather run back to a game that doesn't have people like you in it. Sorry. :-(
Hasikan Miallok wrote:With alts in all sorts of NPC schools . . . Why do you have alts in all sorts of NPC schools? I'll bet if you told us the reasons it would help us greatly to understand why you have such a low opinion of these schools. After all, it seems quite contradictory that you would think these NPC corps were so useless on the one hand, but on the other hand, you would sit in them with your alts. What information are we missing? Were you one of the people dueling noobs or telling them to HTFU? Did you try to help these noobs to overcome their victimization or did you just laugh at them? |
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Aralyn Cormallen
Wildly Inappropriate Goonswarm Federation
520
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Posted - 2014.07.14 07:13:00 -
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Mayhaw Morgan wrote:James Amril-Kesh wrote:Why [form a high sec mining or mission running fleet]? This is not a highsec mining or level 4 missioning corporation/alliance. IF THAT'S WHAT YOU WANT TO DO, THERE ARE CORPS FOR THAT. Does it make sense to join factional warfare and form C6 capital escalation fleets? No. Or, in other words, if you want to mine in high sec or run level 4 missions, "get the **** out of our corp". (And, good luck getting all your stuff back to high sec by yourself.) You have made my point for me.
Of course, this completely ignores the Nullsec Mining Fleets that I regularly see on my fleet finder, the special interest group you can join for Incursion running, and the two threads currently on the front pages of our forums giving tips and advice on how and where to run NPC Nullsec Missions, and ship fits and tactics for anomaly running. Why would you want to run Highsec versions of any of these in a permanently-wardecced Nullsec Alliance? You are showing just as much ignorance of a well-organised corporation than you are calling James out for about the Starter Corporations. |
Kaarous Aldurald
ROC Deep Space The ROC
7837
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Posted - 2014.07.14 07:19:00 -
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Aralyn Cormallen wrote:Mayhaw Morgan wrote:James Amril-Kesh wrote:Why [form a high sec mining or mission running fleet]? This is not a highsec mining or level 4 missioning corporation/alliance. IF THAT'S WHAT YOU WANT TO DO, THERE ARE CORPS FOR THAT. Does it make sense to join factional warfare and form C6 capital escalation fleets? No. Or, in other words, if you want to mine in high sec or run level 4 missions, "get the **** out of our corp". (And, good luck getting all your stuff back to high sec by yourself.) You have made my point for me. Of course, this completely ignores the Nullsec Mining Fleets that I regularly see on my fleet finder, the special interest group you can join for Incursion running, and the two threads currently on the front pages of our forums giving tips and advice on how and where to run NPC Nullsec Missions, and ship fits and tactics for anomaly running. Why would you want to run Highsec versions of any of these in a permanently-wardecced Nullsec Alliance? You are showing just as much ignorance of a well-organised corporation than you are calling James out for about the Starter Corporations.
You're assuming he needs to know what he's talking about in order to just blindly "Grr Goons!" at everything anyone else says. "Verily, I have often laughed at the weaklings who thought themselves good because they had no claws."
Clean Up Local 2014.-á |
Hasikan Miallok
Republic University Minmatar Republic
958
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Posted - 2014.07.14 08:05:00 -
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Kaarous Aldurald wrote:Aralyn Cormallen wrote:Mayhaw Morgan wrote:James Amril-Kesh wrote:Why [form a high sec mining or mission running fleet]? This is not a highsec mining or level 4 missioning corporation/alliance. IF THAT'S WHAT YOU WANT TO DO, THERE ARE CORPS FOR THAT. Does it make sense to join factional warfare and form C6 capital escalation fleets? No. Or, in other words, if you want to mine in high sec or run level 4 missions, "get the **** out of our corp". (And, good luck getting all your stuff back to high sec by yourself.) You have made my point for me. Of course, this completely ignores the Nullsec Mining Fleets that I regularly see on my fleet finder, the special interest group you can join for Incursion running, and the two threads currently on the front pages of our forums giving tips and advice on how and where to run NPC Nullsec Missions, and ship fits and tactics for anomaly running. Why would you want to run Highsec versions of any of these in a permanently-wardecced Nullsec Alliance? You are showing just as much ignorance of a well-organised corporation than you are calling James out for about the Starter Corporations. You're assuming he needs to know what he's talking about in order to just blindly "Grr Goons!" at everything anyone else says.
It is GD after all.
Dem Goons Doe |
Mayhaw Morgan
State War Academy Caldari State
232
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Posted - 2014.07.14 08:40:00 -
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Kaarous Aldurald wrote:You're assuming he needs to know what he's talking about in order to just blindly "Grr Goons!" at everything anyone else says.
As if you actually knew what you were talking about . . . Did you know that the story of Goonswarm noobs fighting off battleship fleets and Titans with just Merlins and Rifters and such was one of the most compelling stories I read about the game before I started playing and was one of the things that drew me to the game? As per Aralyn Cormallen's comment, I guess the Goon noobs these days have it much easier (although, less fun). I'm still trying to figure out if that is because the game has changed or because the story was a farce all along. I suspect it's a lot of both. But as for me hating Goons, you couldn't be further off base.
. . .
Either way, there is no null sec mining fleet in my fleet finder window to ignore. As a player who is not part of the blue donut, the game is not handed to me on a silver platter. The game mechanics have not been skewed to suit my play style. I do not get free ships and ISK and PLEX and whatever else you give people to induce them to accept The Mittani as their lord and savior. Your approval is not going to be enough to keep myself and many other players playing the game.
You're claiming I don't know what I'm talking about, but I just have a different perspective, one of the kind of people who do not bend to your will. You reward the people who conform. You **** on the people who resist. And given the wealth and influence some of you have in the game (and out of it), we're talking about a pretty juicy carrot and a pretty big stick you are wielding. A noob does not stand a chance and that's a large part of why so many of them make a strategic withdrawal to a different game. Isn't that the point of your strategy?
Many (probably most) people will not play a game that is not fair. Is EVE fair?
Many (probably most) people will not play a game that makes them feel impotent and frustrated. Can you think of some experiences in EVE that make noobs feel impotent and frustrated?
It's not hard to figure this stuff out, but first, you have you remove your head from your ass and take a look in the mirror. You might be the problem. |
Angelica Everstar
22
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Posted - 2014.07.14 09:48:00 -
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Some time ago I posted a thread about this very subject. I see this as one of the easiest things to fix (dev time) and one of the most important things to fix for the game overall. I even tried to talk and bribe some of the devs and Hilmar into fixing this precise issue. Even got a "this would be worth looking into" from devs and Hilmar. Both this and last years FanFest Both now Goons are saying it, it might just happen :-D Any typos, spelling errors and bad grammer found, are free and yours to keep Current bond : PFA05 500b / Total 825b |
Arkady Romanov
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
298
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Posted - 2014.07.14 09:54:00 -
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Mayhaw Morgan wrote:words.
Have you ever considered the possibility that you're not an edgy, contrarian vagabond with a hairy chest and a thousand yard stare, but are in fact a myopic putz who makes EVE difficult for yourself for no benefit at all? |
Remiel Pollard
The Vigilance Institute
3895
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Posted - 2014.07.14 09:58:00 -
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Mayhaw Morgan wrote:The game mechanics have not been skewed to suit my play style.
Nor have they been skewed to fit any play style, some people are just better at adapting their play style to the mechanics in order to take best advantage of them. Those players are called "people who know what they're doing". You don't scare me. I've been to Jita.
People complain about how 'empty' space is. Personally, I would be complaining if it were more 'full'.
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Falin Whalen
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
678
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Posted - 2014.07.14 09:59:00 -
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Mayhaw Morgan wrote:Kaarous Aldurald wrote:You're assuming he needs to know what he's talking about in order to just blindly "Grr Goons!" at everything anyone else says. As if you actually knew what you were talking about . . . Did you know that the story of Goonswarm noobs fighting off battleship fleets and Titans with just Merlins and Rifters and such was one of the most compelling stories I read about the game before I started playing and was one of the things that drew me to the game? As per Aralyn Cormallen's comment, I guess the Goon noobs these days have it much easier (although, less fun). I'm still trying to figure out if that is because the game has changed or because the story was a farce all along. I suspect it's a lot of both. But as for me hating Goons, you couldn't be further off base. . . . Either way, there is no null sec mining fleet in my fleet finder window to ignore. As a player who is not part of the blue donut, the game is not handed to me on a silver platter. The game mechanics have not been skewed to suit my play style. I do not get free ships and ISK and PLEX and whatever else you give people to induce them to accept The Mittani as their lord and savior. Your approval is not going to be enough to keep myself and many other players playing the game. You're claiming I don't know what I'm talking about, but I just have a different perspective, one of the kind of people who do not bend to your will. You reward the people who conform. You **** on the people who resist. And given the wealth and influence some of you have in the game (and out of it), we're talking about a pretty juicy carrot and a pretty big stick you are wielding. A noob does not stand a chance and that's a large part of why so many of them make a strategic withdrawal to a different game. Isn't that the point of your strategy? Many (probably most) people will not play a game that is not fair. Is EVE fair? Many (probably most) people will not play a game that makes them feel impotent and frustrated. Can you think of some experiences in EVE that make noobs feel impotent and frustrated? It's not hard to figure this stuff out, but first, you have you remove your head from your ass and take a look in the mirror. You might be the problem. Just because you can't reach the grapes on the vine, doesn't make them sour. Honestly this is the most eloquent sour grapes post ever.
"it's only because of their stupidity that they're able to be so sure of themselves." The Trial - Franz Kafka-á |
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Posted - 2014.07.14 10:09:00 -
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He doesn't even need to log in to the forum to troll it. |
Mayhaw Morgan
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Posted - 2014.07.14 10:15:00 -
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Arkady Romanov wrote:Have you ever considered the possibility that you're not an edgy, contrarian vagabond with a hairy chest and a thousand yard stare, but are in fact a myopic putz who makes EVE difficult for yourself for no benefit at all?
Remiel Pollard wrote:Nor have [game mechanics] been skewed to fit any play style, some people are just better at adapting their play style to the mechanics in order to take best advantage of them. Those players are called "people who know what they're doing".
Falin Whalen wrote:Just because you can't reach the grapes on the vine, doesn't make them sour. Honestly this is the most eloquent sour grapes post ever.
No sour grapes here. I play EVE because it's fun, not out of spite.
Mayhaw Morgan wrote:You might be the problem.
^ I think this bears repeating. |
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