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Dave Stark
6551
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Posted - 2014.07.12 15:42:00 -
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I'm going to throw it out there.
Achievements.
no, stop hitting me with that stick, it hurts. think about what ccp said at fanfest about the NPE and that game that just had a tutorial of "build a fire" and that was that, it left you to your own devices.
i'm just thinking have something like achievements for the NPE. a list of things for new players to do, at their own pace, whenever they wanted, and totally optional.
"kill another player" "visit a low sec system" "visit a null sec system" "join a corp" "scan another player's ship using combat probes" "lose a ship"
stuff like that. after you've shown them that you can do ~stuff~ in eve, sort of go "there's something over there that you can do, go and take a look" and guide them to places where they'll encounter player generated content. |
Li Quiao
Imperial Academy Amarr Empire
57
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Posted - 2014.07.12 15:55:00 -
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Seven Koskanaiken wrote:http://themittani.com/content/traffic-control-newbie-zone
Not even a troll, honest.
Getting tips on improving the newbie experience from a Goonswam leader is like getting home security tips from Charles Manson. |
Ralph King-Griffin
Lords.Of.Midnight The Devil's Warrior Alliance
2763
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Posted - 2014.07.12 16:03:00 -
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Li Quiao wrote:Seven Koskanaiken wrote:http://themittani.com/content/traffic-control-newbie-zone
Not even a troll, honest. Getting tips on improving the newbie experience from a Goonswam leader is like getting home security tips from Charles Manson. no, more like Al Capone. the man has a point though, we all know it and in this case its fairly irrelevant who the man is. "Confirming EVE is hot, batshit crazy, and puts out." -Omar Alharazaad "CAKE CANNOT HOLD UP TO BEING A CHARACTER DAMNIT." --áUnsuccessful At Everything |
Hell Freeze
Deep Core Mining Inc. Caldari State
313
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Posted - 2014.07.12 16:10:00 -
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Li Quiao wrote:Seven Koskanaiken wrote:http://themittani.com/content/traffic-control-newbie-zone
Not even a troll, honest. Getting tips on improving the newbie experience from a Goonswam leader is like getting home security tips from Charles Manson. The best security information comes from convicts...just sayin'.
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Lady Areola Fappington
2040
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Posted - 2014.07.12 16:12:00 -
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The main problem I have with a newbie area is, unless you make it time-limited and utterly useless for anything else, then the risk-averse types will move right in and use it as "ultra-highsec. That means no SP, no ISK, no modules, no ships, no nothing.
The last thing EVE needs is "Stay in the ultrasec newbie zone till you've skilled the max SP you can have there, gathered the max ISK, and gotten the best ship."
I've always thought the best way to introduce EVE to newbies is with a big booming (mostly scripted) fleet battle. Have a scripted FC teach the newbie typical commands and such, show them how a new toon can be useful (Fly over there, web that guy, shoot those drones, kill that tackler), give the basics of Dscan, then drop them into EVE. Have them lose ships in the tutorial in unscripted ways.
Another trick would be to totally do away with the terms "High-sec", "Low-sec", and "Null-sec". Call it "Empire", "Frontier", and "Sovereign", explain how faction police and concord respond in each area, and make it very, very clear that open PVP is allowed, and happens, in all three areas. So, so many people confuse "illegal" as meaning "not allowed", and....well, we see what happens.
If CCP JUST did that, I think it would help quite abit with the confusion some new folks have. This thread officially has 25% more pssssssshhh than leading competitors. Rick Moranis was never put on death row for shrinking his children. New York exists outside the mind of Billy Joel. A French press is not lifting weights with your tongue out. Lena Dunham is not a girl ventriloquist. |
Felicity Love
Ka'ra Shabuir Inc.
2019
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Posted - 2014.07.12 16:18:00 -
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... absolutely delicious, every last drop of this hypocritical AWOXER tear drama...
"Psssshhhhhhhhhhhhhh" -á-- That ambiguous and pseudo-technical term used by management to describe, to staff, how frakking cool something looks inside their own heads.
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Sentamon
Imperial Academy Amarr Empire
1945
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Posted - 2014.07.12 16:24:00 -
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Le Martini desperate for clueless noobs making it to the nulsec phase so his zerg has someone to shoot at. ~ Professional Forum Alt -á~ |
Hell Freeze
Deep Core Mining Inc. Caldari State
318
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Posted - 2014.07.12 16:26:00 -
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Felicity Love wrote:... absolutely delicious, every last drop of this hypocritical AWOXER tear drama... Case in point.
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Malcolm Shinhwa
Northstar Cabal Tactical Narcotics Team
2641
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Posted - 2014.07.12 16:47:00 -
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Dally Lama wrote:Funny how many of you regulars on here have always called other posters risk-averse poons when they mention how AWOXing is absurd and dumb. I've seen how many threads on it where all the usual forum bros come in with their sly comments and tear the OP apart for thinkink AWOXing in high-sec is legal CONCORD evasion. Mittens mentions it and now watch as you sheep start actually considering the logic.
Wat??? Next thing you know Psychotic Monk will come out as saying neutral logistics is a broken mechanic that should be fixed ASAP... oh wait, he does. And then he uses it to slaughter corps because thems the rules of the game. If we're not supposed to shoot pods in hisec, why are they filled with meat? |
Ralph King-Griffin
Lords.Of.Midnight The Devil's Warrior Alliance
2764
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Posted - 2014.07.12 16:52:00 -
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Dally Lama wrote:Funny how many of you regulars on here have always called other posters risk-averse poons when they mention how AWOXing is absurd and dumb. I've seen how many threads on it where all the usual forum bros come in with their sly comments and tear the OP apart for thinkink AWOXing in high-sec is legal CONCORD evasion. Mittens mentions it and now watch as you sheep start actually considering the logic. the npe is crap though, thats what we are discussing "Confirming EVE is hot, batshit crazy, and puts out." -Omar Alharazaad "CAKE CANNOT HOLD UP TO BEING A CHARACTER DAMNIT." --áUnsuccessful At Everything |
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Sentamon
Imperial Academy Amarr Empire
1945
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Posted - 2014.07.12 16:55:00 -
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The NPE drives away WoW carebear types, and has worked just fine in steadily increasing subs for CCP as long as nullsec had variety and action. Now that subs are dropping like crazy from nullsec stagnation, lets ask the Blue Donut Master himself how to fix the game. ~ Professional Forum Alt -á~ |
Snagletooth Johnson
Snagle Material Services CAStabouts
170
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Posted - 2014.07.12 16:56:00 -
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Read the article and saw nothing about griefers, just Goons telling CCP "we're running out of fresh meat, please fix!"
Grrr Goons |
Hell Freeze
Deep Core Mining Inc. Caldari State
318
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Posted - 2014.07.12 16:57:00 -
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Ralph King-Griffin wrote:the npe is crap though, thats what we are discussing Very well put.
It is crap. Does CCP want to or see the need to fix it?
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Dave Stark
6554
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Posted - 2014.07.12 17:01:00 -
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Sentamon wrote:The NPE drives away WoW carebear types, and has worked just fine in steadily increasing subs for CCP as long as nullsec had variety and action. Now that subs are dropping like crazy from nullsec stagnation, lets ask the Blue Donut Master himself how to fix the game.
the NPE drives many people away, not just the wow carebears.
i doubt i'm the only one that made an account years ago and went "**** this ****" then came back some time later and gave it a second chance and just decided to trudge through the NPE like the **** filled bog that it is to see if there was anything on the other side. |
Lady Areola Fappington
2045
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Posted - 2014.07.12 17:08:00 -
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One thing the CURRENT NPE could do better at, is understanding ship loss.
At random, with no warning, one of the career agent missions should result in a massive gatecamp gank. 100% you failed the mission standings ding and all. An actual honest to goodness failure, not the silly "OK you go out there this mission is your ship automatically blowing up".
After it happens, send the newbie an EVEmail (or tutorial window whatevs), detailing what just happened, and how in the future, it won't be NPCs doing that, it'll be other players. The evemail should also state, in no uncertain way, that it's allowed, permitted behaviour, you consent to PVP when you log in, etc etc etc. This thread officially has 25% more pssssssshhh than leading competitors. Rick Moranis was never put on death row for shrinking his children. New York exists outside the mind of Billy Joel. A French press is not lifting weights with your tongue out. Lena Dunham is not a girl ventriloquist. |
Sirinda
Ekchuah's Shrine Comporium
372
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Posted - 2014.07.12 17:10:00 -
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Well, well.
Back when I started Eve, I got an invite into a freshly started corp within an hour of creating this toon at most.
Granted, the CEO was just trying to start their own corp and probably didn't realize the potential danger I would've been had I had malevolent intentions.
Overall, I find myself in agreement with this article. |
Owen Levanth
Federated Deep Space Explorations
197
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Posted - 2014.07.12 17:15:00 -
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Someone should stop those evil Greifers.
Too bad this new coalition is driving new players away.. Maybe Mittani's griefers could take care of this problem? |
Malcolm Shinhwa
Northstar Cabal Tactical Narcotics Team
2643
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Posted - 2014.07.12 17:16:00 -
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This was my favorite quote from the article:
Quote:(That 10% figure is comically overgenerous to the precious Eve Lore. Seriously, how do you make a fictional clash of space-empires such a snoozefest? Topic for another Traffic Control.)
I'm hoping we can get a response from George Lucas. If we're not supposed to shoot pods in hisec, why are they filled with meat? |
Kaarous Aldurald
ROC Deep Space The ROC
7802
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Posted - 2014.07.12 17:37:00 -
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Dally Lama wrote:Funny how many of you regulars on here have always called other posters risk-averse poons when they mention how AWOXing is absurd and dumb. I've seen how many threads on it where all the usual forum bros come in with their sly comments and tear the OP apart for thinkink AWOXing in high-sec is legal CONCORD evasion. Mittens mentions it and now watch as you sheep start actually considering the logic.
Most of his post has absolutely nothing to do with "greifers", unlike the OP's thread title.
And, besides that, I 100% disagree with him. "helping new players" will never really be a thing if you take away the best real method to destroy bad corporations. Because awoxing is pretty much one of the last ways that you can actually get at people in highsec thanks to so many safety buffs.
His idea would need to coincide with an enormous nerf to both highsec safety and highsec income. (of course, both of those things need to happen anyway, so people have an incentive for lateral movement in the game's security areas) "Verily, I have often laughed at the weaklings who thought themselves good because they had no claws."
Clean Up Local 2014.-á |
Ramona McCandless
The McCandless Clan
6201
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Posted - 2014.07.12 17:38:00 -
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Quick question;
As none of us are in charge, and none of us are NPs
Why is our input on NPE relevant? "Many have joined the battle, many have survived the tests and trials, but countless have fallen because they weren't the sharpest, the fastest thinking, the most devious, the most ruthless or most intelligent. -áLog in and Compete!"-á- CCP Falcon
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Kaarous Aldurald
ROC Deep Space The ROC
7802
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Posted - 2014.07.12 17:41:00 -
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Ramona McCandless wrote:Quick question;
As none of us are in charge, and none of us are NPs
Why is our input on NPE relevant?
Very few people's is relevant. Most of us can only offer what we ourselves would have enjoyed more of in the NPE when we first started.
Myself? I would have liked to skip it. "Verily, I have often laughed at the weaklings who thought themselves good because they had no claws."
Clean Up Local 2014.-á |
Ramona McCandless
The McCandless Clan
6201
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Posted - 2014.07.12 17:43:00 -
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Kaarous Aldurald wrote:Ramona McCandless wrote:Quick question;
As none of us are in charge, and none of us are NPs
Why is our input on NPE relevant? Very few people's is relevant. Most of us can only offer what we ourselves would have enjoyed more of in the NPE when we first started. Myself? I would have liked to skip it.
Oh ok
Well I enjoyed it, for what its worth
Of course, I only gave it serious attention many years ago, when it was more difficult "Many have joined the battle, many have survived the tests and trials, but countless have fallen because they weren't the sharpest, the fastest thinking, the most devious, the most ruthless or most intelligent. -áLog in and Compete!"-á- CCP Falcon
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Hell Freeze
Deep Core Mining Inc. Caldari State
319
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Posted - 2014.07.12 17:47:00 -
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Ramona McCandless wrote:Of course, I only gave it serious attention many years ago, when it was more difficult Like when you had to create a SS 15k past a gate so you could warp to zero?
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Dave Stark
6558
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Posted - 2014.07.12 17:48:00 -
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Ramona McCandless wrote:Quick question;
As none of us are in charge, and none of us are NPs
Why is our input on NPE relevant?
because to be an old player, you had to have been a new player. which means you had to have been pushed through the grinder of the NPE, and if you didn't say "**** this ****" and hit uninstall... you know exactly how horrible it is and why you never want to endure it again. |
Sentamon
Imperial Academy Amarr Empire
1946
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Posted - 2014.07.12 17:49:00 -
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Ramona McCandless wrote:Quick question; As none of us are in charge, and none of us are NPs
Why is our input on NPE relevant?
It's not, CCP gets ample feedback from real new players to work with.
It's worth poinintg out that, if the Goon-Lord and his merry band of Yes-Men really cared about new players and their experience, they could use their trillions in ISK assests to improve the new player experience themselves ... you know, like the real Goons of old used too, not work on Titan #300 and fine tune their content crushing BOTLORD agreements. ~ Professional Forum Alt -á~ |
Vaju Enki
Secular Wisdom
1357
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Posted - 2014.07.12 17:50:00 -
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Pandora's box. The Tears Must Flow |
Jegrey Dozer
Ruatha Holdings
24
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Posted - 2014.07.12 17:52:00 -
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Just make the new player experience more interactive and with more audio.
Reading Aura's 82 thousand little informational boxes in the bottom right corner is boring as hell.
The game is interesting and the tutorial isn't off track. It teaches the necessities. The only problem is that it is based off of reading. And all "hur dur" jokes aside, not a lot of people playing a game want to read. You open up the game to people who learn better visually and by lecture. |
Dave Stark
6558
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Posted - 2014.07.12 17:54:00 -
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Sentamon wrote:Ramona McCandless wrote:Quick question; As none of us are in charge, and none of us are NPs
Why is our input on NPE relevant? It's not, CCP gets ample feedback from real new players to work with. It's worth poinintg out that, if the Goon-Lord and his merry band of Yes-Men really cared about new players and their experience, they could use their trillions in ISK assests to improve the new player experience themselves ... you know, like the real Goons of old used too, not work on Titan #300 and fine tune their content crushing BOTLORD agreements.
you mean like showering new players with isk, and free tackle ships and double srp and... yeah they already do. |
Matilda Cecilia Fock
Pator Tech School Minmatar Republic
224
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Posted - 2014.07.12 17:55:00 -
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So now that the game has pretty much run out of actual noobs, they're considering to improve the NPE?
What will be next? They will improve PvE once the average mission runner would rather tear off his eyes than rescue the damsel for the thousandth time?
Q: So many well known dev's left lately, should we be worried? A: (Jester): Nope. (...) Worry a lot if Fozzie, Masterplan, Rise, Veritas, Bettik, Ytterbium, Scarpia, Arrow, or even Greyscale leaves. Worry a little if Punkturis, karkur, SoniClover, Affinity, Goliath, or Xhagen leaves.
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Ramona McCandless
The McCandless Clan
6201
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Posted - 2014.07.12 17:56:00 -
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Sentamon wrote:Ramona McCandless wrote:Quick question; As none of us are in charge, and none of us are NPs
Why is our input on NPE relevant? It's not, CCP gets ample feedback from real new players to work with. It's worth poinintg out that, if the Goon-Lord and his merry band of Yes-Men really cared about new players and their experience, they could use their trillions in ISK assests to improve the new player experience themselves ... you know, like the real Goons of old used too, not work on Titan #300 and fine tune their content crushing BOTLORD agreements.
Im not sure the population of their alliance could only be veterans.
Unless you have some info you want to share?
"Many have joined the battle, many have survived the tests and trials, but countless have fallen because they weren't the sharpest, the fastest thinking, the most devious, the most ruthless or most intelligent. -áLog in and Compete!"-á- CCP Falcon
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