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Retar Aveymone
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
544
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Posted - 2014.07.12 17:56:00 -
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Ramona McCandless wrote:Quick question;
As none of us are in charge, and none of us are NPs
Why is our input on NPE relevant? As the head of an alliance that has thrived mostly because we replace the garbage NPE with our own so our new recruits actually stay, I think Mitten's input on the NPE is exactly correct. |
Dave Stark
6561
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Posted - 2014.07.12 17:56:00 -
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Matilda Cecilia Fock wrote:So now that the game has pretty much run out of actual noobs, they're considering to improve the NPE? What will be next? They will improve PvE once the average mission runner would rather tear off his eyes than rescue the damsel for the thousandth time?
you say that, but i've rescued that little tart at least 3 times today. |
Kaarous Aldurald
ROC Deep Space The ROC
7802
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Posted - 2014.07.12 17:57:00 -
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Matilda Cecilia Fock wrote:So now that the game has pretty much run out of actual noobs, they're considering to improve the NPE? What will be next? They will improve PvE once the average mission runner would rather tear off his eyes than rescue the damsel for the thousandth time?
No, because the first one of those things is not a complete waste of time that would require recoding much of the game's core design. "Verily, I have often laughed at the weaklings who thought themselves good because they had no claws."
Clean Up Local 2014.-á |
Marsha Mallow
1289
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Posted - 2014.07.12 18:00:00 -
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Dally Lama wrote:Funny how many of you regulars on here have always called other posters risk-averse poons when they mention how AWOXing is absurd and dumb. I've seen how many threads on it where all the usual forum bros come in with their sly comments and tear the OP apart for thinkink AWOXing in high-sec is legal CONCORD evasion. Mittens mentions it and now watch as you sheep start actually considering the logic. Yeah, it's a real shock that a former CSM/alliance leader known for using ~words~ as a weapon is able to cobble together a more persuasive argument than someone sobbing incoherently in ganking thread #9000 about how unfair the game is.
Acknowledging the issues mentioned doesn't necessarily mean unreserved support for the proposed solutions. The most fun I had early on was awoxing other corpies, although amazingly most of us did it for fun because we were bored out of our minds grinding ISK. 'Griefing' was never mentioned because shooting other spaceships isn't griefing.
Dave Stark wrote:Sentamon wrote:The NPE drives away WoW carebear types, and has worked just fine in steadily increasing subs for CCP as long as nullsec had variety and action. Now that subs are dropping like crazy from nullsec stagnation, lets ask the Blue Donut Master himself how to fix the game. the NPE drives many people away, not just the wow carebears. i doubt i'm the only one that made an account years ago and went "**** this ****" then came back some time later and gave it a second chance and just decided to trudge through the NPE like the **** filled bog that it is to see if there was anything on the other side. Seems the other way around to me - it's promoting the kind of contentless ISK farming WoWzers expect, which is why there's such a disconnect between Highsec attitudes and the rest of the playerbase.
I quit first time too because of the NPE v0v Fair enough we can't dictate how it works in the future, but there's no harm commenting on how it could be improved. TO THE RIPARDMOBILE! |
Sentamon
Imperial Academy Amarr Empire
1946
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Posted - 2014.07.12 18:03:00 -
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Dave Stark wrote: you mean like showering new players with isk, and free tackle ships and double srp and... yeah they already do.
They already DID you mean.
In the vast sea of allies, and nothing happening there isn't much to spend your ISK on, is there. ~ Professional Forum Alt -á~ |
Ramona McCandless
The McCandless Clan
6201
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Posted - 2014.07.12 18:04:00 -
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Retar Aveymone wrote:Ramona McCandless wrote:Quick question;
As none of us are in charge, and none of us are NPs
Why is our input on NPE relevant? As the head of an alliance that has thrived mostly because we replace the garbage NPE with our own so our new recruits actually stay, I think Mitten's input on the NPE is exactly correct.
I didnt mention Mittens even once "Many have joined the battle, many have survived the tests and trials, but countless have fallen because they weren't the sharpest, the fastest thinking, the most devious, the most ruthless or most intelligent. -áLog in and Compete!"-á- CCP Falcon
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Hal Morsh
404 Ship Not Found Violent Declaration
118
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Posted - 2014.07.12 18:11:00 -
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Highsec is too safe and lowsec is too dangerous. Lets just put it at that, and no I don't have a solution to fix it, and newbies don't have any way to learn but to figure it out themselfs. When I started I figured the game out, but watched so many people grab from baited cans and get slaughtered because they had no clue, regardless of rules.
Even after more than a few days into the game people still fall victim to game mechanics they do not yet understand. I enjoy a good session of mining. |
Vaju Enki
Secular Wisdom
1358
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Posted - 2014.07.12 18:14:00 -
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Hal Morsh wrote:Highsec is too safe and lowsec is too dangerous. Lets just put it at that, and no I don't have a solution to fix it, and newbies don't have any way to learn but to figure it out themselfs. When I started I figured the game out, but watched so many people grab from baited cans and get slaughtered because they had no clue, regardless of rules.
Even after more than a few days into the game people still fall victim to game mechanics they do not yet understand.
Highsec is too safe, lowsec is fine. The Tears Must Flow |
Dave Stark
6565
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Posted - 2014.07.12 18:16:00 -
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Sentamon wrote:Dave Stark wrote: you mean like showering new players with isk, and free tackle ships and double srp and... yeah they already do.
They already DID you mean. In the vast sea of allies, and nothing happening there isn't much to spend your ISK on, is there.
as far as i'm aware, it's still an ongoing practice.
so, no, i mean they do. |
Mr Epeen
It's All About Me
5482
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Posted - 2014.07.12 18:19:00 -
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The Lord of the Bees always has an ulterior motive for what he writes.
Until I figure out what he's actually up to this time, I'll reserve comment on that weirdly out of character wall of words he posted.
Mr Epeen There are 86,400 seconds in a day. You just saved one of them by typing 'u' instead of 'you'.-á Congratulations, dumbass! |
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Retar Aveymone
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
544
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Posted - 2014.07.12 18:20:00 -
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Fixing in-corp awoxing does not need to go with making highsec safer: you could, for example, pair it with making corp-hopping to evade wardecs harder. But the fundamental problem is that EVE is a garbage game without other people most of the time, and highsec awoxing makes it just too difficult for good highsec corps to recruit new players. As a result, the only ones recruiting are the idiots who quickly get what's coming to them. |
Retar Aveymone
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
544
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Posted - 2014.07.12 18:22:00 -
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Mr Epeen wrote:The Lord of the Bees always has an ulterior motive for what he writes. Until I figure out what he's actually up to this time, I'll reserve comment on that weirdly out of character wall of words he posted. Mr Epeen the king of space has an obvious vested interest in space not going bankrupt because then he's just a random narcissist without an empire |
Dave Stark
6566
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Posted - 2014.07.12 18:30:00 -
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Retar Aveymone wrote:Fixing in-corp awoxing does not need to go with making highsec safer: you could, for example, pair it with making corp-hopping to evade wardecs harder. But the fundamental problem is that EVE is a garbage game without other people most of the time, and highsec awoxing makes it just too difficult for good highsec corps to recruit new players. As a result, the only ones recruiting are the idiots who quickly get what's coming to them.
if you're talking about fixing awoxing rather than removing it, all you need to do is stop neutral logi working as it does currently. |
Malcolm Shinhwa
Northstar Cabal Tactical Narcotics Team
2646
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Posted - 2014.07.12 18:31:00 -
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Sentamon wrote:Ramona McCandless wrote:Quick question; As none of us are in charge, and none of us are NPs
Why is our input on NPE relevant? It's not, CCP gets ample feedback from real new players to work with. It's worth poinintg out that, if the Goon-Lord and his merry band of Yes-Men really cared about new players and their experience, they could use their trillions in ISK assests to improve the new player experience themselves ... you know, like the real Goons of old used too, not work on Titan #300 and fine tune their content crushing BOTLORD agreements.
I'm unclear as to why players should be the ones to improve the NPE instead of the company that makes the product. But as awful as Goons are they do help new players assuming those new players are Goons. New Goons are told to get the hell out of hisec ASAP because hisec is terrible, they are showered with isk, ships, skillbooks, and taken into any fleet to ***** on glorious killmails literally their very first day of playing. Goons also reimburse all PVP losses so a newbro won't even feel the pinch of loss when the FC whelps them.
Goons are terrible terrible people, but they do take care of the newbros.. assuming they are Goons. If we're not supposed to shoot pods in hisec, why are they filled with meat? |
Hal Morsh
404 Ship Not Found Violent Declaration
118
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Posted - 2014.07.12 18:37:00 -
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Vaju Enki wrote:
Highsec is too safe, lowsec is fine.
Lowsec is a murderzone, you go there and your are guaranteed to die even if you are on ******* spam checking d,scan and locals.
Maybe if highsec wasn't so safe lowsec wouldn't be so dangerous. I honestly would like to see how a non concord empire would work. Too bad that won't happen. Most of the playerbase would leave.
I did once play a game almost 100% open pvp, but you didn't lose anything on death. It did have a usefull system though. It flagged you if you had combat with someone, and flaged them back if they attacked back. But if you killed someone who didn't defend themselves you were now red for a while and anyone could attack you without penalties and you couldn't use a teleporter. it would stack up if you continued and could only be waited out while online. Dunno that it would work in eve, if killing someone bared docking or running through gates for a more extended period.
That game also had a jail youd have to sit in or pay your way out of if you killed too many and managed to die. Course you only got jailed IF you died. I enjoy a good session of mining. |
Comprachicos Pendulum
420 Enterprises.
5
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Posted - 2014.07.12 18:39:00 -
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Maybe I am missing something here. Yeah as a noob I wandered in to Eve without a friend, completely alone. After mining for a month I ended up in low sec, and was murdered. I didn't leave, I spent another year being a noob and learning the ropes. I came back this month and decided I am going to really learn pvp, and oh my has it been rewarding. Not because I am killing others, because the struggle at the beginning to take my own initiative and research Eve, not just be hand held through the start like every other game. I am normally one to be moderate and consider every angle, but I know if my beginning in Eve was any different and in any way another hand hold, I would not be playing today. It is because it is so ruthless that I stuck around. The game is rewarding because only the serious players stick around. I don't know what I am trying to say any more, but I was not born in the same country on Earth as every one of you. Yeah my hand was held when I was a baby, but when I made my character in EvE, she was definitely age of majority. DO some research, put some time in to this game, and it will give back more than you can imagine. Why do you think it was adopted into a museum?
http://community.eveonline.com/news/news-channels/press-releases/eve-online-featured-in-applied-design-moma-museum-of-modern-art-1/
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Zil Davi
Obertura
0
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Posted - 2014.07.12 18:49:00 -
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Hal Morsh wrote:Highsec is too safe and lowsec is too dangerous. Lets just put it at that, and no I don't have a solution to fix it, and newbies don't have any way to learn but to figure it out themselfs. When I started I figured the game out, but watched so many people grab from baited cans and get slaughtered because they had no clue, regardless of rules.
Even after more than a few days into the game people still fall victim to game mechanics they do not yet understand.
But your great-grandparents said, "they don't need electricity, i never had it."
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Vaju Enki
Secular Wisdom
1359
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Posted - 2014.07.12 18:51:00 -
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Hal Morsh wrote:Vaju Enki wrote:
Highsec is too safe, lowsec is fine.
Lowsec is a murderzone, you go there and your are guaranteed to die even if you are on ******* spam checking d,scan and locals. Maybe if highsec wasn't so safe lowsec wouldn't be so dangerous. I honestly would like to see how a non concord empire would work. Too bad that won't happen. Most of the playerbase would leave. I did once play a game almost 100% open pvp, but you didn't lose anything on death. It did have a usefull system though. It flagged you if you had combat with someone, and flaged them back if they attacked back. But if you killed someone who didn't defend themselves you were now red for a while and anyone could attack you without penalties and you couldn't use a teleporter. it would stack up if you continued and could only be waited out while online. Dunno that it would work in eve, if killing someone bared docking or running through gates for a more extended period. That game also had a jail youd have to sit in or pay your way out of if you killed too many and managed to die. Course you only got jailed IF you died.
No, wrong again. Lowsec is fine, highsec is too safe. The Tears Must Flow |
Josef Djugashvilis
Acme Mining Corporation
2464
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Posted - 2014.07.12 18:55:00 -
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Hell Freeze wrote:Li Quiao wrote:Seven Koskanaiken wrote:http://themittani.com/content/traffic-control-newbie-zone
Not even a troll, honest. Getting tips on improving the newbie experience from a Goonswam leader is like getting home security tips from Charles Manson. The best security information comes from convicts...just sayin'.
Aren't convicts the ones who failed? This is not a signature. |
Hal Morsh
404 Ship Not Found Violent Declaration
118
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Posted - 2014.07.12 18:57:00 -
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Vaju Enki wrote:highsec is too safe.
And if it wasn't?
Maybe highsec just needs to be nerfed. If there was somehow a barrier between finding people in space. I mean we have ways to find corps, but maybe nerf local as well? I enjoy a good session of mining. |
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TigerXtrm
Black Thorne Corporation Black Thorne Alliance
799
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Posted - 2014.07.12 19:01:00 -
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I agree with everything in that article. Except maybe for making Jove space Newbie zone because ~lore~. Otherwise, go for it. Make these changes and make them ASAP. It will only be better for the game. My YouTube Channel - EVE Tutorials & other game related things! |
Ioci
Bad Girl Posse Somethin Awfull Forums
508
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Posted - 2014.07.12 19:02:00 -
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Vaju Enki wrote: No, wrong again. Lowsec is fine, highsec is too safe.
It either is or it isn't. This degree of safe is the fantasy argument that only works in your head. It has always been said, high sec isn't safe. It's just more expensive to PvP in. R.I.P. Vile Rat |
TigerXtrm
Black Thorne Corporation Black Thorne Alliance
799
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Posted - 2014.07.12 19:03:00 -
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Mr Epeen wrote:The Lord of the Bees always has an ulterior motive for what he writes. Until I figure out what he's actually up to this time, I'll reserve comment on that weirdly out of character wall of words he posted. Mr Epeen
His interest is in this game existing for another 10 to 20 years, because he makes his entire living off of it. He'd have to get a real job again if EVE goes *poof*. There's your ulterior motive. My YouTube Channel - EVE Tutorials & other game related things! |
Hal Morsh
404 Ship Not Found Violent Declaration
118
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Posted - 2014.07.12 19:04:00 -
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TigerXtrm wrote: makes his entire living off of it.
Wait what? I enjoy a good session of mining. |
Aurilia-Yvonne Lyonne
University of Caille Gallente Federation
1
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Posted - 2014.07.12 19:07:00 -
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As a relatively new player, let me give you a clear idea of this new player's recent new player experience.
I've gone through the tutorials, which are pretty boring and confusing, and have started doing the Sisters of Eve arc (which is mostly boring, so far.) But forum posters say you should do it, so I'm doing it.
Now I intend to pvp, and enlist in faction war after the Sisters arc.
And I read the forums everyday. And I read about the war in Huola.
Bingo, just what I want. Big battle. Yippee.
So, 48 hours ago, I decide I'll go to Huola. Sure I'll get killed but what better way to get my feet wet. Much more fun than the tutorials.
First I have to figure out how to get there, that takes about 20 minutes to find the map, figure out a flight path, etc. Because this is not covered, sufficiently, in the tutorials.
Yes, I decide I'll go through low security space, 7 or 8 jumps from Trossere to Huola, probably I'll die on my way there. That's okay, I'm intending to be cannon fodder anyhow.
Start out, on my way, getting there, funky music (in low security space), get to Huola, look around.........
HOW DO I FIND THE BATTLE?
Gack! I can't.
There's a battle going on, I see smack in local.
But I don't know what to do to get to the battle........so,
I turn around, go back to Trossere, park my ship, and go watch a movie.
There, you have it, the new player experience (for one night), in a nutshell.
But, I will figure this out. |
Sentamon
Imperial Academy Amarr Empire
1946
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Posted - 2014.07.12 19:11:00 -
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Malcolm Shinhwa wrote: New Goons are told to get the hell out of hisec ASAP because hisec is terrible.
Ever consider that highsec, lowsec, w-holes, and NPC null isn't terrible, but that everyone in Goonswarm or in the other friend-enemy coalition is the terrible part? .. eh probably not.
Replenishing your meatshields, to crash nodes or terrible TiDi fights, doesn't impress anyone with an IQ over 3. ~ Professional Forum Alt -á~ |
Malcolm Shinhwa
Northstar Cabal Tactical Narcotics Team
2647
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Posted - 2014.07.12 19:24:00 -
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Sentamon wrote:Malcolm Shinhwa wrote: New Goons are told to get the hell out of hisec ASAP because hisec is terrible. Ever consider that highsec, lowsec, w-holes, and NPC null isn't terrible, but that everyone in Goonswarm or in the other friend-enemy coalition is the terrible part? .. eh probably not. Replenishing your meatshields, to crash nodes or terrible TiDi fights, doesn't impress anyone with an IQ over 3.
Hisec is terrible because of the many, confusing, somewhat contradictory, arbitrary, and capricious rules that a player has to learn to survive there. All these rules were made up to "protect" players from non-consensual PVP and instead are exploited endlessly, and hilariously, by more knowledgeable players. The ruleset governing all other areas of space is vastly simpler and therefore easy to grasp.
Hisec should be the retirement zone for bitter vets who want to sit suspect flagged on a station all day and talk about how the newbros these days have it too easy. Mittani's "newbie zone" should pop you out into NPC nullsec with a very short rule list: If anyone tries to kill you, kill them right back. If we're not supposed to shoot pods in hisec, why are they filled with meat? |
Malcolm Shinhwa
Northstar Cabal Tactical Narcotics Team
2647
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Posted - 2014.07.12 19:34:00 -
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Aurilia-Yvonne Lyonne wrote: HOW DO I FIND THE BATTLE?
Gack! I can't.
There's a battle going on, I see smack in local.
But I don't know what to do to get to the battle........so,
Although at first space appears vast, in fights generally happen where pilots can get to each other easily:
- Gates
- Stations
- Faction Warfare complexes
- Cosmic Anomolies
- Asteroid Belts
- Moons with POSes
- Sun
- Planets
It is possible that they happen at Signatures and dead space mission pockets, but that is much rarer. Hunt around on Youtube for a video that explains how to use the directional scanner and you will be able to find the next fight. Warp at 100km to the fleets and try to snipe any ships from outside of 30km. You'll do great. If we're not supposed to shoot pods in hisec, why are they filled with meat? |
Vherokior Matari
Republic Military School Minmatar Republic
0
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Posted - 2014.07.12 19:40:00 -
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I'm thinking Mittani should consult for CCP full-time. That article was fantastic and to hear those things from an ostensibly ruthless nullsec dictator is about as refreshing as it gets. |
Ralph King-Griffin
Lords.Of.Midnight The Devil's Warrior Alliance
2776
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Posted - 2014.07.12 19:51:00 -
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Mad idea, what if the npc Corp you started in was already at war with another starter Corp, and you would get the boot when rookie help disappears (obviously not the solution but just a thought) "Confirming EVE is hot, batshit crazy, and puts out." -Omar Alharazaad "CAKE CANNOT HOLD UP TO BEING A CHARACTER DAMNIT." --áUnsuccessful At Everything |
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