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Commander Askiras
State War Academy Caldari State
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Posted - 2014.07.12 22:16:00 -
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Is the vargur good for lvl 4 missions? I'm asking first before I go crazy and buy one |
elitatwo
Congregatio
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Posted - 2014.07.12 22:39:00 -
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Yes.
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stoicfaux
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Posted - 2014.07.13 01:50:00 -
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I find the Vargur to be adequate: https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=4217001
WASABI: Warp Acceleration System Ancillary Boost Injected(Gäó)
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Antillie Sa'Kan
Forging Industries Silent Infinity
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Posted - 2014.07.13 02:31:00 -
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Yes. Very much so. |
IIshira
School of Applied Knowledge Caldari State
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Posted - 2014.07.13 04:03:00 -
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How does it compare to a Machariel? |
Hakaari Inkuran
State War Academy Caldari State
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Posted - 2014.07.13 14:03:00 -
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It can facetank god himself without any bling and it has better projection than the shield mach. Its great. If you're willing to tank with only a x-large booster, DCU and a cap booster, bastion still gets you 1200 HP/S against sansha, which is its weakest resists. And allows you to use 3 tracking computers and a prop mod. It has its strengths. It out DPS's the machariel at all but the absolute closest ranges, and can't warp as fast nor move as fast. |
Slymah
Reoples
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Posted - 2014.07.14 03:40:00 -
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Commander Askiras wrote:Is the vargur good for lvl 4 missions? I'm asking first before I go crazy and buy one
Commander Askiras wrote:Is the vargur good for lvl 4 missions? I'm asking first before I go crazy and buy one
Yep
Solo missioning is pretty much the whole point of marauders. (I think?)
If you're lazy just slap on a couple adaptives+dcu and forget about it.
Low pimp needed so you don't attract much attention from gank.
Ammo consumption is low enough to use faction.
I don't want to say impossible to get blown up by npcs just for the sake of karma but it's pretty darned stout. no problems whatsoever with any lvl4's including AE bonus room and lvl4 epic arc. *Minmatar space.
Fit tractors/salv and forget the need to haul around a noctis. Large enough cargo hold for most clean ups.
It looks sexy as all get out.
This is just my observations over the last week or so after buying one. Keep in mind I came out of a Mael so I'm still in shock that anything performs this good. I've never flown a Mach so I can't compare.
Read up on stoicfaux's posted thread for actual numbers. |
Anize Oramara
EVE Protection Agency Bloodline.
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Posted - 2014.07.14 07:58:00 -
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you want around 70km falloff with bastion, use faction short range ammo and switch to barrage for anything further than 50km. run missions in minmatar space for best results and learn to love the mjd, it is your friend.
I fit two tractors and a single salvager in the highs. I use salvage drones and a mtu to suppliment and I tend to finish salvaging the last wreck when the last rat dies.
it is a very different kind of ship to a mach or rattler, polar oposite almost so it might not be for you. if you try and fly it like a mach you will be dissapointed.
if you want to fly something different you can always try a phoon as an idea on how a rattler migh feel like. or fit a fleet phoon with acs for an idea how the mach might fly like. |
Tarojan
Tarojan Corporation
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Posted - 2014.07.14 22:56:00 -
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You say its different to fly? how? On a rokh I mjd out to 150km then fly away from rats picking them off. I assume on a mach I just drop straight into the nearest pack of enemy and blaze away pointblank? So how should the vargur be flown? and how would that differ from say a kronos? Why is the varg better then the kron? Free Erotica 1 ! Code always wins:-áhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=K6nALvMTkZs |
Rok Hard
The Crimson Permanent Assurance Co. Bad Intention
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Posted - 2014.07.14 23:33:00 -
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I'm training for a vargur right now, just a couple more days till I can fly it. I'm using a BC fit but I think I'm gonna drop the tractors for more salvagers and just use a MTU. I can't wait to try it out though. This is the fit I'm gonna use.
http://eve.battleclinic.com/loadout/24255-Rubicon-Vargur-makes-L4-missions-its-bi-h.html |
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Maeltstome
Twisted Insanity. The Kadeshi
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Posted - 2014.07.15 13:20:00 -
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Tarojan wrote:You say its different to fly? how? On a rokh I mjd out to 150km then fly away from rats picking them off. I assume on a mach I just drop straight into the nearest pack of enemy and blaze away pointblank? So how should the vargur be flown? and how would that differ from say a kronos? Why is the varg better then the kron?
Warp in. Drop tracor, Drop salvage drones. Bastion mode. Kill everything and occasionally press the shield booster.
None of this fancy flying around is required. It's like an old Torp raven from '06/'07 |
Chainsaw Plankton
IDLE GUNS IDLE EMPIRE
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Posted - 2014.07.17 04:32:00 -
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Varg is reasonably nice, I just prefer other ships. Maybe that mostly has to do with mainly running in caldari space? I might have to send it down with my alt to gal/minny space some time, see how I like it out there. You can trust me, I have a monocole |
Aeril Malkyre
Knights of the Ouroboros
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Posted - 2014.07.18 14:51:00 -
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Destroys all Level 4 missions in Minmatar space with a T2 fit. Jackrabbits around the mission space using the MJD, between Bastion cycles. Learn to use the MJD and you'll be able to hop out into the middle of a far spawn, kill them point blank, and hop back to the acceleration gate when they're dead. I typically send out salvage drones as soon as I have aggro, because I can kill as fast as they can salvage. If you really want to get your multitask on, slot 3 tractors and bring the wrecks in even as you're locking new targets and killing them. Just don't screw up and shoot your wrecks :)
The Vargur is literally built to run Level 4 missions. Use it. |
Vinh 'Gallente' Nguyen
Valor Inc.
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Posted - 2014.07.18 20:08:00 -
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How does the Vargur compare to the Kronos for missions?
I ask because I have Battleship V for both Gallente and Minmatar... and am looking into a T2 BS soon.
I'm a drone guy and am currently using a Rattlesnake
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Val'Dore
PlanetCorp InterStellar
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Posted - 2014.07.18 21:26:00 -
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I have a question for you... why the hell aren't you using a Vindi?
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Vinh 'Gallente' Nguyen
Valor Inc.
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Posted - 2014.07.18 23:14:00 -
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Vindi is kinda shiny... but how well does it do for missions? |
Antillie Sa'Kan
Forging Industries Silent Infinity
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Posted - 2014.07.18 23:43:00 -
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Vinh 'Gallente' Nguyen wrote:How does the Vargur compare to the Kronos for missions?
I ask because I have Battleship V for both Gallente and Minmatar... and am looking into a T2 BS soon.
I'm a drone guy and am currently using a Rattlesnake
With a Vargur you can stick to ACs for pretty much everything. With the Kronos you will be swapping between blasters and rails. Also the Kronos lacks damage type selection. |
Antillie Sa'Kan
Forging Industries Silent Infinity
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Posted - 2014.07.18 23:46:00 -
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Vinh 'Gallente' Nguyen wrote:Vindi is kinda shiny... but how well does it do for missions? Honestly? Its kinda terrible for missions. The web bonus is a waste for killing small ships when you could just use drones instead and it has issues with range and drinks ammo. |
Chainsaw Plankton
IDLE GUNS IDLE EMPIRE
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Posted - 2014.07.19 16:53:00 -
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vindicator has very limited range with blasters, and well the other option is failguns (okay rails aren't that bad, but trying to make the vindy work with rails isn't the most natural thing). The blaster DPS is awesome, but very limited application means it is only viable in a small number of missions. I'd probably rather stick with the rattlesnake for most missions.
with the marauder changes I feel like the Kronos and Vargur are very similar with close range weapons. If I gave an edge to the varg it would mostly be for the selectable damage type. although looking at the dps graph the Kronos has better projection. Plus with antimatter the Kronos has a nice raw dps advantage.
Also my bias is mostly caldari/amarr space so I'm more used to shooting stuff there, and the only angel mission I ever see is Angels extra. For something like damsel I would think the kronos with antimatter and a dps advantage would finish faster than a vargur. I have no idea what Merc's resist profile is, other than they seem to die fast to lots of dps of any variety (I've mostly used lasers or hybrids against them).
oh yea and I'd say by a machariel, that thing is awesome! More dps, more speed, more agility, awesome projection. with a MWD the thing is as fast as some cruisers. As far as I'm concerned the only thing the varg has on the mach is tractor beam range... You can trust me, I have a monocole |
Lugia3
Intentionally Dense Easily Excited
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Posted - 2014.07.19 17:23:00 -
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I'll just say this, a dual XL-ASB Vargur with links, crystals, and a bit of bling can tank upwards of 20 thousand dps. "CCP Dolan is full of ****." - CCP Bettik |
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Chainsaw Plankton
IDLE GUNS IDLE EMPIRE
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Posted - 2014.07.19 18:21:00 -
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Lugia3 wrote:I'll just say this, a dual XL-ASB Vargur with links, crystals, and a bit of bling can tank upwards of 20 thousand dps. which is entirely worthless for level 4 missions. You can trust me, I have a monocole |
Code Redd
Federal Navy Academy Gallente Federation
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Posted - 2014.07.22 08:56:00 -
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Vinh 'Gallente' Nguyen wrote:How does the Vargur compare to the Kronos for missions?
I ask because I have Battleship V for both Gallente and Minmatar... and am looking into a T2 BS soon.
I'm a drone guy and am currently using a Rattlesnake
Own both, fly both.
Think with the kronos is the damage types... now i've never had a problem with this, as i dont mission against sansha or blood (gallente and minmatar space just dont have them). BUT, anyone that tells you to use rails on a kronos is compleatly diluted, out of their mind nutts. you NEVER use rails on a kronos. in bastion, your falloff is 70k (or my fit will) with blasters, which means, if it's further than 50k, you could just mjd closer. 150k? MJD straight at it, STILL use blasters, apply better dps.
It doesnt tank, by the numbers, as much as my vargur (that's just the nature of shield tanks), and on paper, it says it gets 100 or so less dps, but since the optimal on blasters is usually out to 30k (or even 45 or so with null ammo), i apply it better at most ranges than the vargur (that has an optimal around, what, 4-6?). So, i feel that a kronos applies its damage better at all ranges than a vargur, even if in EFT it says it has less.
Neither ship has any problem tanking lvl 4's.
I run my Kronos with a ALL t2 fit, no bling needed. 80% of the time, it runs Null ammo (sometiems swapped for CN anti if all the BS's are close at the end of the mission). Unless i'm slow, i dont even use bastion mode. or drones.
Vargur, i use bastion mode a LOT more, BUT, i use a large gist booster (cheap one), not an x-large. It can perma-tank (just like the kronos), but i never ever do. Pulse tank both of them. I found that fitting the ships more for tracking than damage makes a bigger difference, so, each of them has 2 dps mods, and 1 tracking enhancer--and 2 tracking computers (scripted according to range/targets).
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Kagura Nikon
Mentally Assured Destruction The Pursuit of Happiness
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Posted - 2014.07.22 09:55:00 -
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IIshira wrote:How does it compare to a Machariel?
Machariels run faster. Because level 4 do not have enough incomming damage to need the marauder tank. But the marauder can be more effective on other pve scenarios. "If brute force does not solve your problem..... -áthen you are -ásurely not using enough!" |
Kagura Nikon
Mentally Assured Destruction The Pursuit of Happiness
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Posted - 2014.07.22 09:58:00 -
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Lugia3 wrote:I'll just say this, a dual XL-ASB Vargur with links, crystals, and a bit of bling can tank upwards of 20 thousand dps.
So you bring an M1 abrams to fight a cloud of mosquitos.. and you are proud of it? Even if it would be faster to just use a Toxic Spray ? "If brute force does not solve your problem..... -áthen you are -ásurely not using enough!" |
IIshira
School of Applied Knowledge Caldari State
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Posted - 2014.07.22 12:57:00 -
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Kagura Nikon wrote:Lugia3 wrote:I'll just say this, a dual XL-ASB Vargur with links, crystals, and a bit of bling can tank upwards of 20 thousand dps. So you bring an M1 abrams to fight a cloud of mosquitos.. and you are proud of it? Even if it would be faster to just use a Toxic Spray ?
A flame thrower would be more fun! |
Antillie Sa'Kan
Forging Industries Silent Infinity
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Posted - 2014.07.22 13:31:00 -
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IIshira wrote:Kagura Nikon wrote:So you bring an M1 abrams to fight a cloud of mosquitos.. and you are proud of it? Even if it would be faster to just use a Toxic Spray ? A flame thrower would be more fun! I declare you the winner of this thread. |
Nolak Ataru
Incursion Osprey Replacement Fund LLC
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Posted - 2014.07.22 15:12:00 -
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Kagura Nikon wrote:Lugia3 wrote:I'll just say this, a dual XL-ASB Vargur with links, crystals, and a bit of bling can tank upwards of 20 thousand dps. So you bring an M1 abrams to fight a cloud of mosquitos.. and you are proud of it? Even if it would be faster to just use a Toxic Spray ?
L5 missions. While I do recognize this is a L4 thread, the Vargur is currently the best choice for L5s if you have a quiet-enough place and no carrier.
Also it's awesome to be able to tank a dread in a subcap.... |
Marcus Walkuris
Aww yeahhh
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Posted - 2014.07.23 06:53:00 -
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Commander Askiras wrote:Is the vargur good for lvl 4 missions? I'm asking first before I go crazy and buy one
It depends. If you plan to play in Angel space, Absolutely. I ran some general numbers and taking pirate faction resists into the equation your secondary damage type loses between 10-20% dps compared to your optimal damage type, your tertiary sits in the area of 40-60% against lvl 4 mission ships. So you go for whichever marauder fits the area-code or pirate faction battleship depending on your style and SP. Note that the Mach competes with the Vargur and depending on play-style is quite superior due to warp speed and its falloff bonus. Vargur offers independance from crystal implants, and salvage/loot on the go if you single-box. |
Bastion Arzi
Dat Tax
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Posted - 2014.07.23 08:32:00 -
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vargur with crystals for lols |
Euripedies
Hot Droppin Cherry Poppers
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Posted - 2014.07.24 03:02:00 -
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Maeltstome wrote:Tarojan wrote:You say its different to fly? how? On a rokh I mjd out to 150km then fly away from rats picking them off. I assume on a mach I just drop straight into the nearest pack of enemy and blaze away pointblank? So how should the vargur be flown? and how would that differ from say a kronos? Why is the varg better then the kron? Warp in. Drop tracor, Drop salvage drones. Bastion mode. Kill everything and occasionally press the shield booster. None of this fancy flying around is required. It's like an old Torp raven from '06/'07
This, and compared to a Machariel, ha ha, funny, the Vargur, and all Mauraders are awesome mission machines that every real PVEer should have in their hanger. The Machariel is a fun toy for those who like to fly fast BSs with 800mm ACs and blast things real good. However the Maurauders are in a class all by themselves. Think miniature Dreadnaughts for Hi-sec. except with ACs that reach out a long ways, and a tank that laughs at whatever it encounters. |
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