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Lar Tadaruwa
State War Academy Caldari State
65
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Posted - 2014.07.13 08:05:00 -
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From Sisters of EVE To "Insert Pilot Name".
1. Date 2014.07.13 (Insert Date)
2. Event Type All (Other Options are:) Agent Buy Off Agent Donation Agent Mission Bonus Agent Mission Completed Agent Mission Declined 10.98882014.07.13 06.07 -4.3031% 2014.06.23 -2.2111% Mission Title - Mission Part Name (3 of 10) 2014.06.08 -2.1234% Mission Title - Part (2 of 5) 2014.06.04 -2.3512% = -10.9888%, or more than the 4% bonus x2 or almost x3 of the Connections skill.
Agent Mission Offer Expired (No transactions available) Combat - Agression (No transactions available) Combat - Other (No transactions available) Combat - Pod Kill (No transactions available) Combat - Ship Kill (No transactions available) Decay (No transactions available) Derived Modification Negative (No transactions available) Derived Modification Positive (No transactions available) Initial Corp Agent (No transactions available) Initial Faction Ally (No transactions available) Initial Faction Corp (around 50% of the list)...
-=-=- Edit: All in Corp. Not in Faction for the last one except: 2014.06.08 -0.0175% 2014.06.04 -0.0175%
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Goldiiee
Bureau of Astronomical Anomalies
1117
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Posted - 2014.07.13 11:37:00 -
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Yes Lar don't decline missions, EVER. If you can't complete it get someone you trust to fleet up with you to get it done, or if you have doubts about your ability to do it, then don't accept it. Failing a mission or declining within the 4 hour window cost up to 10 times more in standings than you had to gain if you successfully finish it.
Things that keep me up at night;-á Why do we use a voice communication device to send telegraphs? Moore's Law should state,-áOnce you have paid off the last PC upgrade you will need another. |
Lar Tadaruwa
State War Academy Caldari State
65
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Posted - 2014.07.13 11:54:00 -
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Goldiiee wrote:...Failing a mission or declining within the 4 hour window cost up to 10 times more in standings than you had to gain if you successfully finish it. Erm, you are partly right there... The decline mission option is the option you have after requesting an offer without accepting it yet. I think the offer stays on for more than 4 hours though.
Most mission do have 1 week to complete (one accepted), not 4 hours. There are many 4 hours bonus which is not affecting the related standing.
btw, was there really anyone I could trust for that? If so, what are the odds? I try to update my trust ratios.
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Elena Thiesant
Sun Micro Systems
1386
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Posted - 2014.07.13 12:12:00 -
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Lar Tadaruwa wrote:Goldiiee wrote:...Failing a mission or declining within the 4 hour window cost up to 10 times more in standings than you had to gain if you successfully finish it. Erm, you are partly right there... The decline mission option is the option you have after requesting an offer without accepting it yet. I think the offer stays on for more than 4 hours though.
The decline option is indeed the one you have after requesting a mission. Declining one mission is fine. Declining a second from the same agent within a 4 hour period gets you a standings hit. (the time the offer remains, which is a week, has nothing to do with this)
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Goldiiee
Bureau of Astronomical Anomalies
1117
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Posted - 2014.07.13 12:14:00 -
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If you decline one mission, you have to wait 4 hours to decline another without a standing loss. Once accepted a mission cannot be failed without taking the standings hit, and must be completed within a week.
I would say the hardest part, and possibly the goal of this game is finding people you can trust. I have found quite a few but have been playing for several years. Keep looking and know that some people are going to lie, cheat and steal and others are trustworthy, you just have to keep trying.
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Lar Tadaruwa
State War Academy Caldari State
65
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Posted - 2014.07.13 12:15:00 -
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Elena Thiesant wrote:Lar Tadaruwa wrote:Goldiiee wrote:...Failing a mission or declining within the 4 hour window cost up to 10 times more in standings than you had to gain if you successfully finish it. Erm, you are partly right there... The decline mission option is the option you have after requesting an offer without accepting it yet. I think the offer stays on for more than 4 hours though. The decline option is indeed the one you have after requesting a mission. Declining one mission is fine. Declining a second from the same agent within a 4 hour period gets you a standings hit. (the time the offer remains, which is a week, has nothing to do with this) Except that if you don't decline it within a week, and the offer expires, declining a second from the same agent within a 4 hour period gets you a standings hit.
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Lar Tadaruwa
State War Academy Caldari State
65
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Posted - 2014.07.13 12:20:00 -
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Goldiiee wrote:...I would say the hardest part, and possibly the goal of this game is finding people you can trust. I have found quite a few but have been playing for several years. Keep looking and know that some people are going to lie, cheat and steal and others are trustworthy, you just have to keep trying. I don't know how old you are but for me it wasn't worth the try. I do better solo and use the energies save looking to focus on the benefit I can get. Even that is not easy as the game itself it more than challenging. I might be off for over 2 years for that.
I was at the point to get 2 PLEX to join a corp for gas mining and they don't answer. It's always been like this. The same as the game clients does (Not responding) and the Internet browsers (all of them).
-=-=- Edit: I even spent over $100 to meet some of their requirements and it makes it too tiring to try to join them. That would be worth over 6 PLEX or 4.2b ISK per instance.
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Elena Thiesant
Sun Micro Systems
1386
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Posted - 2014.07.13 12:28:00 -
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Lar Tadaruwa wrote:Elena Thiesant wrote:Lar Tadaruwa wrote:Goldiiee wrote:...Failing a mission or declining within the 4 hour window cost up to 10 times more in standings than you had to gain if you successfully finish it. Erm, you are partly right there... The decline mission option is the option you have after requesting an offer without accepting it yet. I think the offer stays on for more than 4 hours though. The decline option is indeed the one you have after requesting a mission. Declining one mission is fine. Declining a second from the same agent within a 4 hour period gets you a standings hit. (the time the offer remains, which is a week, has nothing to do with this) Except that if you don't decline it within a week, and the offer expires, declining a second from the same agent within a 4 hour period gets you a standings hit.
No it doesn't.
What gets you a standings hit is declining a mission, then declining a second within 4 hours. Nothing to do with letting a mission expire. Just declining 2 within 4 hours. |
Lar Tadaruwa
State War Academy Caldari State
65
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Posted - 2014.07.13 12:30:00 -
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So, if the mission expires after a week it won't give me a standing loss if I let it expire? It seems to me that my Standing transactions shows me to have losses on those cases if not declined.
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Hasikan Miallok
Republic University Minmatar Republic
956
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Posted - 2014.07.13 12:31:00 -
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Lar Tadaruwa wrote: Except that if you don't decline it within a week, and the offer expires, declining a second from the same agent within a 4 hour period gets you a standings hit.
No. You will get a standing hit every time you let an offer expire.
"Declining a second" has nothing to do with it.
Do not let offers expire.
In particular do not let storyline missions expire.
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Hasikan Miallok
Republic University Minmatar Republic
956
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Posted - 2014.07.13 12:34:00 -
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To be clear, you get a standing hit if you:
1. Decline twice in 4 hours.
2. Fail to complete the mission.
3. Let the offer expire without declining or accepting it.
The standing hit is corp for normal missions and faction for storylines. |
Lar Tadaruwa
State War Academy Caldari State
65
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Posted - 2014.07.13 12:36:00 -
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Now that makes more sense Hasikan Miallok.
Not to say that the other posts made less sense even if they do and if I don't say that in public.
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Hakaari Inkuran
State War Academy Caldari State
120
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Posted - 2014.07.13 15:46:00 -
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Hasikan Miallok wrote:
3. Let the offer expire without declining or accepting it.
I let storyline offers expire all the time and dont get any standings hit. How sure are you about this line? Granted I don't pay much attention to normal missions that I let expire but I have my doubts about this one regardless. Its the first I've ever seen it mentioned.
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Lar Tadaruwa
State War Academy Caldari State
65
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Posted - 2014.07.13 15:51:00 -
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Hakaari Inkuran wrote:Hasikan Miallok wrote:
3. Let the offer expire without declining or accepting it.
I let storyline offers expire all the time and dont get any standings hit. How sure are you about this line? Granted I don't pay much attention to normal missions that I let expire but I have my doubts about this one regardless. Its the first I've ever seen it mentioned. You can right click on the corp and faction standing in your standing tab and choose "TRANSACTION". That opens an information window which lists the exact amount of points in ratios.
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Elena Thiesant
Sun Micro Systems
1386
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Posted - 2014.07.13 15:59:00 -
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Hakaari Inkuran wrote:Hasikan Miallok wrote:
3. Let the offer expire without declining or accepting it.
I let storyline offers expire all the time and dont get any standings hit.
Same here, storyline and normal. I checked through all my standings transactions, no hits for anything other than decline (2 declines within 4 hours) or failure.
I've never seen a standings hit for expiring missions. It might have been a thing in the past, but I don't think it's in the game now.
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Owen Levanth
Federated Deep Space Explorations
197
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Posted - 2014.07.13 17:00:00 -
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Elena Thiesant wrote:Hakaari Inkuran wrote:Hasikan Miallok wrote:
3. Let the offer expire without declining or accepting it.
I let storyline offers expire all the time and dont get any standings hit. Same here, storyline and normal. I checked through all my standings transactions, no hits for anything other than decline (2 declines within 4 hours) or failure. I've never seen a standings hit for expiring missions. It might have been a thing in the past, but I don't think it's in the game now.
Same thing here, I've had lots of missions expire over time, due to lazyness. Never had a standing hit, ever. |
stoicfaux
5143
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Posted - 2014.07.13 18:38:00 -
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Confirming the no standings hit for missions that you let expire (i.e. have not accepted.)
As for declining multiple missions per 4 hour block, the "trick" is to get your faction standings up high enough to run level 4 missions. For example, declining In the Midst of Deadspace cost me: * Minmatar faction standing for -0.0105%, * corp standing was hit for -2.1516%. * agent standing was hit for -5.7375%
As long as your corp and agent standings don't hit -2.0 or lower you'll have access to the agent if you faction standings stay at 5.0+, thus letting you decline many mission per 4 hour block.
The downside is that it is a pain to get your faction standings up to 5.0 in the first place, and eventually you will need to mission for the "other side" to keep the enemy faction standings from going too low. (But the SoE epic arc helps with that.)
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Zhilia Mann
Tide Way Out Productions
2120
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Posted - 2014.07.13 19:29:00 -
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Hasikan Miallok wrote:No. You will get a standing hit every time you let an offer expire.
Confirming that this is wrong, wrong, wrong. Always has been. Please check this and don't spread the misunderstanding any further. Standings are complicated enough as is.
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Elena Thiesant
Sun Micro Systems
1387
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Posted - 2014.07.13 20:16:00 -
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Ok, so to summarise correctly, you get a standing hit if you:
1. Decline a mission twice in 4 hours for the same agent.
2. Fail to complete a mission.
The standing hit is always to agent, corp and faction, regardless of whether it's a normal or storyline mission.
Does that look correct to everyone? |
Zhilia Mann
Tide Way Out Productions
2120
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Posted - 2014.07.13 22:02:00 -
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Elena Thiesant wrote:Ok, so to summarise correctly, you get a standing hit if you:
1. Decline a mission twice in 4 hours for the same agent.
2. Fail to complete a mission after accepting it.
The standing hit is always to agent, corp and faction, regardless of whether it's a normal or storyline mission. Note that for storyline missions this may not be for the same corp as your normal mission agent.
Does that look correct to everyone?
Rephrased slightly, but in essence that was right. |
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Hakaari Inkuran
State War Academy Caldari State
122
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Posted - 2014.07.13 22:03:00 -
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Lar Tadaruwa wrote:Hakaari Inkuran wrote:Hasikan Miallok wrote:
3. Let the offer expire without declining or accepting it.
I let storyline offers expire all the time and dont get any standings hit. How sure are you about this line? Granted I don't pay much attention to normal missions that I let expire but I have my doubts about this one regardless. Its the first I've ever seen it mentioned. You can right click on the corp and faction standing in your standing tab and choose "TRANSACTION". That opens an information window which lists the exact amount of points in ratios. Yup, yup, and I've never seen it happen. I know for a fact I never take a faction hit. Could be a corp hit but I wont know for certain for another week. |
Hakaari Inkuran
State War Academy Caldari State
122
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Posted - 2014.07.13 22:07:00 -
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stoicfaux wrote:Confirming the no standings hit for missions that you let expire (i.e. have not accepted.)
As for declining multiple missions per 4 hour block, the "trick" is to get your faction standings up high enough to run level 4 missions. For example, declining In the Midst of Deadspace cost me: * Minmatar faction standing for -0.0105%, * corp standing was hit for -2.1516%. * agent standing was hit for -5.7375%
As long as your corp and agent standings don't hit -2.0 or lower you'll have access to the agent if you faction standings stay at 5.0+, thus letting you decline many mission per 4 hour block.
The downside is that it is a pain to get your faction standings up to 5.0 in the first place, and eventually you will need to mission for the "other side" to keep the enemy faction standings from going too low. (But the SoE epic arc helps with that.)
I'm not certain WHEN it happens, but at some point you actually want to stop doing storylines entirely because derived standing hits will get bigger than standing gains. Then you're left to the mercy of only the epic arcs :( |
Hasikan Miallok
Republic University Minmatar Republic
958
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Posted - 2014.07.13 23:46:00 -
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Zhilia Mann wrote:Elena Thiesant wrote:Ok, so to summarise correctly, you get a standing hit if you:
1. Decline a mission twice in 4 hours for the same agent.
2. Fail to complete a mission after accepting it.
The standing hit is always to agent, corp and faction, regardless of whether it's a normal or storyline mission. Note that for storyline missions this may not be for the same corp as your normal mission agent.
Does that look correct to everyone? Rephrased slightly, but in essence that was right.
Agreed.
Apparently the standing hit for expiring was removed about 5 years ago but I never noticed because I do not let them expire :D |
Lar Tadaruwa
State War Academy Caldari State
73
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Posted - 2014.07.16 23:50:00 -
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I can verify again, and let one expire, but I do get losses. Also, the losses are not all for agents, corporations and factions. Most are for agents and corporations. Some are for all 3.
The same as or similarly to the positive bonuses.
I will be able to verify this, and make videos to confirm. But don't take this as if it was written in a rock embedded in welded iron. (...Besides, even those can be changed.)
I did however take screenshots and videos, and will be able to verify those as well. Also, I wrote down data from an actual character losses in the first post.
Those definitely are the expired missions. And I can guarantee you for over 15 trillions that they are not 5 years old mission. Those were taken as of the listed date with less than 2 months.
Edit: Even if I work in electronic warfare lies detection systems ingame and off.
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Schmata Bastanold
Black Rebel Rifter Club The Devil's Tattoo
2152
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Posted - 2014.07.17 11:56:00 -
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Lar Tadaruwa wrote:I was at the point to get 2 PLEX to join a corp for gas mining and they don't answer. It's always been like this. The same as the game clients does (Not responding) and the Internet browsers (all of them).
-=-=- Edit: I even spent over $100 to meet some of their requirements and it makes it too tiring to try to join them. That would be worth over 6 PLEX or 4.2b ISK per instance.
You will never stop to amaze me with your economic approach and financial sacrifices you make for sake of playing this game. Honestly, I have to be in some other universe because I pay 10 euro/month sub cost and I never had to pay anybody to join their corp. My god, I admire your dedication. Eve Online Overview Wizard: https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=358845&find=unread
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Owen Levanth
Federated Deep Space Explorations
207
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Posted - 2014.07.17 15:20:00 -
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Schmata Bastanold wrote:Lar Tadaruwa wrote:I was at the point to get 2 PLEX to join a corp for gas mining and they don't answer. It's always been like this. The same as the game clients does (Not responding) and the Internet browsers (all of them).
-=-=- Edit: I even spent over $100 to meet some of their requirements and it makes it too tiring to try to join them. That would be worth over 6 PLEX or 4.2b ISK per instance. You will never stop to amaze me with your economic approach and financial sacrifices you make for sake of playing this game. Honestly, I have to be in some other universe because I pay 10 euro/month sub cost and I never had to pay anybody to join their corp. My god, I admire your dedication.
Honestly, either English is his third or fourth language (in which case I would take everything he says with a grain of salt) or he is an alien robot or something, in which case he can just order his ship's computer to make more Earth money.
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Schmata Bastanold
Black Rebel Rifter Club The Devil's Tattoo
2156
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Posted - 2014.07.17 16:04:00 -
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We are not allowed to ask him about country he's from and he opposes any suggestions about English being not his first language. If you don't understand what he is writing about you will get accused of trying to trick him into some shady situations and jeopardize his and his family income, happiness and overall security. Believe me, I tried already :) Eve Online Overview Wizard: Forum thread Homepage
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Hakaari Inkuran
State War Academy Caldari State
127
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Posted - 2014.07.17 17:13:00 -
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Lar do you ever post your screenshots and videos? |
Lar Tadaruwa
State War Academy Caldari State
74
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Posted - 2014.07.17 22:28:00 -
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Hakaari Inkuran wrote:Lar do you ever post your screenshots and videos? Yes, ty, and I keep them all too!! Actually, I have to start to save them in other countries too...
The level of deliberate misinterpretation is exponentially increasing, very fast.
As for the corp offer mentionned, it turned out it was meant to test infiltration. Little to do with Missioning if nothing at all.
The same kind of misinterpretation that would tell a judge that I am not in a relationship while engaged in marriage for 3 years. Makes me want to change army.
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Schmata Bastanold
Black Rebel Rifter Club The Devil's Tattoo
2159
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Posted - 2014.07.17 22:39:00 -
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Lar Tadaruwa wrote:Hakaari Inkuran wrote:Lar do you ever post your screenshots and videos? Yes, ty, and I keep them all too!! Actually, I have to start to save them in other countries too...
Yep, everybody wants to get your screens and vids, nowhere is safe.
Lar Tadaruwa wrote: The level of deliberate misinterpretation is exponentially increasing, very fast.
The only misinterpretation that happens takes place between your screen and your brain. Somehow everybody can understand what everybody else is saying except you and your threads.
Lar Tadaruwa wrote: As for the corp offer mentionned, it turned out it was meant to test infiltration. Little to do with Missioning if nothing at all.
Little to do with anything in Eve to be honest. If you paid RL money or even ISK to get into a corp you are, well... Again, somehow everybody else is able to find and get into corps without paying anything but you. Eve Online Overview Wizard: Forum thread Homepage
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