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Spacefaring Bastard
Science and Trade Institute Caldari State
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Posted - 2014.07.14 01:28:00 -
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Got my first cruiser today(woo!) and even trained medium hybrids for it(faster than upgrading all my missile skills) and so far it's technically safer(Thumbing my nose at things from 40KM away neener neener neener, you can't hit me!) but it takes so much longer than simply alpha-stomping things with my missile destroyer.
So am I missing something or are rails just for "safe" combat(If I wanted to make boring, safe money, I'd be mining) |
L'ouris
Have Naught Subsidiaries
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Posted - 2014.07.14 01:39:00 -
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With proper gunnery support skills, including your ship skills:
Try loading antimatter. It is a much different experience than the 'long range' Ammos.
The rate of fire, rate of reload and flexibility to engage out to crazy ranges as desired make it at least as good as missiles these days. Doubly so since medium missiles are not exactly in a great spot... |
Spacefaring Bastard
Science and Trade Institute Caldari State
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Posted - 2014.07.14 01:43:00 -
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fun, I'm training for medium(looking at heavy assaults or heavies, maybe even rapid lights, as most of the rat sites I visit have frigates and destroyers) right now, and eying my next cruiser(caracal) to compliment them
It's always more fun to have an uphill fight than being able to coast to the finish line. |
Sabriz Adoudel
Mission BLITZ
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Posted - 2014.07.14 03:07:00 -
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I have never been a big fan of medium rails, even after the buff they got a few months back. (This isn't to claim that they are bad, other people do get better results from them than I do).
Damage just isn't quite high enough for blowing up cruisers and larger, and your tracking isn't quite there for hitting frigates. https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=346564 - a proposal to overhaul the Logistics skill https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=238931 - an idea for a new form of hybrid PVE/PVP content. www.minerbumping.com - ganking miners and causing chaos |
Tau Cabalander
Retirement Retreat Working Stiffs
3870
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Posted - 2014.07.14 03:29:00 -
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Sabriz Adoudel wrote:I have never been a big fan of medium rails, even after the buff they got a few months back. (This isn't to claim that they are bad, other people do get better results from them than I do).
Damage just isn't quite high enough for blowing up cruisers and larger, and your tracking isn't quite there for hitting frigates. Rails are truly a long-range weapon system.
They do less short-range damage than other long-range weapons can. This is why many rate rails as "meh".
If you are at a range where tracking is an issue with rails, then you are definitely too close.
Rails are not a high-damage weapon system. They are more a moderate damage at ranges other weapon-systems can't do moderate damage at. Unfortunately moderate damage isn't something that impresses people. |
Delt0r Garsk
Sanctuary of Shadows Honorable Third Party
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Posted - 2014.07.14 09:44:00 -
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Rails are awesome when used right. Like arty med rails are not suppose to easily track frigates. At least not without support (webs/painters). But rails have an advantage over arty in that they often have better range on the hulls that have the bonus and a faster RoF which can make quite a difference in fleets.
But rails really need T2 for the spike ammo for range. This is where they are really useful. T1 just does not quite cut it. But the damage they can apply at range is pretty impressive compared to arty.
As for compared to missiles. The instantly applied damage can make quite a difference. For example i don't think any incursion runners use missiles. But you need to understand tracking and stuff like that as you move up on your weapon sizes. Basically the weapon size for the hull is more or less geared to apply damage to that sized hull. Med turrets and missiles don't apply full damage to frigates and dessys, more so with lower skills.
Really don't overlook skills. Yes you don't need 20M sp to be an effective pilot. But you need to compare your skill level in say small or med missiles to small or med hybrids/rails.
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Daniel Plain
Science and Trade Institute Caldari State
2070
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Posted - 2014.07.14 11:55:00 -
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just as a data point: i use a brutix navy for lvl3 security missions. with my character's near-perfect skills it has up to ~750 dps with 250mm railguns.
"I don't troll, I just give overly blunt responses that annoy people who are wrong but don't want to admit it. It's not my fault that people have sensitive feelings" -MXZF |
Jur Tissant
Unreal Darkness
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Posted - 2014.07.14 12:09:00 -
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You can't get pew-pew with missiles so it seems like a no-brainer to me.
Actually, though, with a Rokh you can do full antimatter damage from something like 40km away. Throw on a MJD and you can be soloing L4s without taking any damage. However, as I found out the hard way, you're really going to have to max out your DPS unless you want them to take 4 hours each. |
Daniel Plain
Science and Trade Institute Caldari State
2070
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Posted - 2014.07.14 12:43:00 -
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Jur Tissant wrote:You can't get pew-pew with missiles so it seems like a no-brainer to me.
Actually, though, with a Rokh you can do full antimatter damage from something like 40km away. Throw on a MJD and you can be soloing L4s without taking any damage. However, as I found out the hard way, you're really going to have to max out your DPS unless you want them to take 4 hours each. the rokh is not a very good mission ship to be sure. if you want railguns and decent mission times, you pretty much have to take a vindicator.
"I don't troll, I just give overly blunt responses that annoy people who are wrong but don't want to admit it. It's not my fault that people have sensitive feelings" -MXZF |
Cara Forelli
Green Skull LLC
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Posted - 2014.07.14 15:10:00 -
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Jur Tissant wrote:You can't get pew-pew with MEDIUM missiles so it seems like a no-brainer to me. Fixed for you. Some of the missile frigates are amazing pvp ships. They don't suffer from the same application problems and in solo/small gang stuff you aren't as worried about the target dying before your damage arrives. www.ensignyooch.wordpress.com
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Leoric Firesword
Dark Fusion Industries Limitless Inc.
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Posted - 2014.07.14 17:13:00 -
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I carry 3-4 different types of ammo with me when flying rails (I can't fit T2) a long range/low damage, medium range/medium damage and low range/high damage
that way as I'm flying to targets I can soften them up, and as I get closer I change ammo. |
Netan MalDoran
xXTheWarhammerXx
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Posted - 2014.07.14 17:19:00 -
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To me, I ABSOLUTELY HATE MISSILES!!!
But if you know what you are doing rails are the best thing for their class, I have no problem taking down battleships with meta 4 rails with antimatter (Or faction antimatter). These are better for long range slow kiting and you pick off the frigs before they get close, then get on top of everything else and brawl with it. If the frigs do get to you, then you have drones as I prefer the Ferox.
.... Then you have the Naga for sniping, using meta 4 guns with faction iron (Don't have T2 large hybrids yet ) I can pick off stuff at 180km then get in close at 50km with antimatter and pound battleships.
So are they good for everything? No, but if you use them right, they are lethal. "Your security status has been lowered." - Hell yeah it was! |
Ralph King-Griffin
Lords.Of.Midnight The Devil's Warrior Alliance
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Posted - 2014.07.14 17:26:00 -
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Netan MalDoran wrote:To me, I ABSOLUTELY HATE MISSILES!!! But if you know what you are doing rails are the best thing for their class, I have no problem taking down battleships with meta 4 rails with antimatter (Or faction antimatter). These are better for long range slow kiting and you pick off the frigs before they get close, then get on top of everything else and brawl with it. If the frigs do get to you, then you have drones as I prefer the Ferox. .... Then you have the Naga for sniping, using meta 4 guns with faction iron (Don't have T2 large hybrids yet ) I can pick off stuff at 180km then get in close at 50km with antimatter and pound battleships. So are they good for everything? No, but if you use them right, they are lethal. the Naga can hit out to around 250km with the correct setup, which is an absurd distance most of the time. "Confirming EVE is hot, batshit crazy, and puts out." -Omar Alharazaad "CAKE CANNOT HOLD UP TO BEING A CHARACTER DAMNIT." --áUnsuccessful At Everything |
Paranoid Loyd
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Posted - 2014.07.14 18:45:00 -
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FWIW, I exclusively use rails "PvE in EVE is a trap to turn you into PvP content, don't confuse it for actual gameplay." Lipbite |
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