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Dinique
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Posted - 2006.06.30 07:00:00 -
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Originally by: kieron Some ice fields in high security, high traffic systems will deplete themselves over the coming days, as they were not intended to be in these areas. There are other fields that will suffer the same fate in the near future.
Could everyone please take a moment and actually READ?
Ice is not being taken away from highsec, just the high traffic systems. Which means Jita and a couple of others. There is still going to be high sec ice. _____
There's so many different worlds So many different suns And we have just one world But we live in different ones
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MysticNZ
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Posted - 2006.06.30 07:05:00 -
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Attempts were made to contact a number of strip mining conglomerate officers and CEOs. None could be reached for comment.
hahaha -=====-
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Cmdr Sy
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Posted - 2006.06.30 07:13:00 -
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Originally by: Vincent Gaines
Originally by: Dessa DesPlains What I never understood is why CCP just doesn't go to ebay, buy some ISK and ban everyone associated with the account.
because the one selling on ebay, and the one that transfers the ISK ingame will have no ties to the farming operation. it's laundered through escrow first.
Or an "act of piracy" involving a low-sec belt, a hauler full of Zyd and a ransom demand.
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Vincent Gaines
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Posted - 2006.06.30 07:33:00 -
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it's a shame that it won't stop this from happening.
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Ralitge boyter
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Posted - 2006.06.30 07:35:00 -
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Oh, goody give the big alliances more power and more ISK.
All this will do is kill the low end mineral market and make the alliances out in 0.0 even more powerful then they already are.
I do think something needed to be done but making N00b miners the victem of a macro miners evil deeds is not the solution.
I think CCP made a error here but time will tell... ------------------------------------------- Should you disagree with me, well I guess that is because I disagree with you. If you have a problem with that please feel free not to tell me. |
Tachy
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Posted - 2006.06.30 07:38:00 -
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Originally by: Vincent Gaines it's a shame that it won't stop this from happening.
What? It doesn't stop icemining for POS and CapShip fuel? You must be joking! --*=*=*--
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Gariuys
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Posted - 2006.06.30 07:42:00 -
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Edited by: Gariuys on 30/06/2006 07:44:12 Why do people if it's a change that affects them, or they feel negatively about refuse to bloody read the whole thing? Instead of just screaming bloody murder about stuff that noone has said.
And you think this is their "solution" to macros??? what are you people smoking, making life of macro's harder is a side benefit, and Kieron just wrote a comical news item with the focus on that.... getting miners/mission runners out of trade hubs is a good idea to lessen the load on those systems.
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Yoko Milan
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Posted - 2006.06.30 07:42:00 -
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This announcement did make me a bit upset, ok, I don't mind ice disapearing out of high traffice systems. 100 players in the same system is a little ridiculous.
But doing this to end macro miners, give me a break, there's far batter ways to kill them. Put some system monitoring software into EVE that looks for macro programs and make eve refuse to run if you are using them.
Empire space needs more places for carebears to earn money. Most the players play in Empire, I would think that would give some hints as to where players want expansion done to. Don't get me wrong I'm a 0.0 pilot myself. I'm just for what will make CCP more money. More money means more content and a better game for all involved.
But what you could do is make some areas in Empire a lot more difficult and worth more money. That's the kind of expansions I would like to see. Heck open up the Eve gate again and make that area completely Empire just a lot harder, I'm cool with that idea. But for now I'll stick to 0.0.
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Yoko Milan
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Posted - 2006.06.30 07:53:00 -
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Originally by: Ralitge boyter Oh, goody give the big alliances more power and more ISK.
All this will do is kill the low end mineral market and make the alliances out in 0.0 even more powerful then they already are.
I do think something needed to be done but making N00b miners the victem of a macro miners evil deeds is not the solution.
I think CCP made a error here but time will tell...
I'm afraid I would have to agree with you on this, unless CCP puts more ice belts in other systems.
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Matthew
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Posted - 2006.06.30 08:02:00 -
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Originally by: marioman Something with the statement puzzles me. Not the fact ice belts are removed and what not....but the whole "Some ice fields in high security, high traffic systems will deplete themselves over the coming days, as they were not intended to be in these areas." part.
If these fields "were not intended to be in these areas".....why on earth were they put there in the 1st place? lol i mean seriously....sounds like u might need to talk with the guy @ CCP that put them there if this really is the case.
There have been gate restructures and population movements since ice fields were first placed. So, while they didn't intend for ice fields to be in the high-traffic systems, some systems have become high-traffic between when the ice fields were placed, and now. Hence some that were ok when placed, are now causing a problem.
Personally I think that most people in this thread are assuming this change is going to do far more than it actually will. I'm willing to bet that this round of moves will address the most crowded high-sec systems, the jitas and oursulaert's of the world, with the news item leaving the possibility open for more should other systems grow to require it.
After all, there's no real need for ice belts to be in these systems - it's not like there's any significant demand for the products generated in these systems (if the source moves, the trade hub will move with the source) - in fact many of them are about as far from the places where the fuel is actually used as you can get! In that sense, pushing ice mining out to low-traffic 0.7-0.5 systems makes perfect sense, allowing local fuel markets to develop closer to where people actually want the fuel, and helping to alleviate traffic in the high-traffic systems, both by removing those mining the ice, and those shuttling back and forth in haulers to buy it. ------- There is no magic Wand of Fixing, and it is not powered by forum whines. |
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Thelmarr
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Posted - 2006.06.30 08:02:00 -
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Originally by: Gariuys Edited by: Gariuys on 30/06/2006 07:44:12 Why do people if it's a change that affects them, or they feel negatively about refuse to bloody read the whole thing? Instead of just screaming bloody murder about stuff that noone has said.
And you think this is their "solution" to macros??? what are you people smoking, making life of macro's harder is a side benefit, and Kieron just wrote a comical news item with the focus on that.... getting miners/mission runners out of trade hubs is a good idea to lessen the load on those systems.
But then again, trade hubs are not set in stone. Markets follow the money, like it or not. Yeah, Jita and others might remain as hubs after their "nerf" in other content but then again, they might just be abandoned and trade would move to next hub with enough potential.
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Tachy
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Posted - 2006.06.30 08:02:00 -
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Spyware on my comp? Thanks, but no.
Btw, you'd hate it if just another clientpart eats into your available resources, causing more and more clientproblems and lag. --*=*=*--
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Chribba
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Posted - 2006.06.30 08:10:00 -
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Even though I myself tend to (ab)use(?) empire systems for my ice need - I oddely enough, welcome this change. Sure I might have to relocate for my ice, but still if this increase the overall performance then it's a good thing.
I just hope that this is not the first step to relocate our precious veldspar resources from empire as well.
Keep up the good work! /me going back to my ice fields while they are there.
/c
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Dinique
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Posted - 2006.06.30 08:24:00 -
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ICE BELTS ARE NOT BEING REMOVED FROM HIGH SEC EMPIRE ICE BELTS ARE NOT BEING REMOVED FROM HIGH SEC EMPIRE ICE BELTS ARE NOT BEING REMOVED FROM HIGH SEC EMPIRE
Only high traffic systems like Jita are affected by this. Read Kieron and Oveur's posts this time before having a knee-jerk reaction.
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There's so many different worlds So many different suns And we have just one world But we live in different ones
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Thelmarr
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Posted - 2006.06.30 08:30:00 -
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Ok. I hope all understand this point about ice being only removed from some systems (will it be added to other high sec systems or is this permanent nerf in Empire?), namely ones with lots of traffic.
Now, like I said, what guarantee we have that these trade hubs do not MOVE as well?
We have people mining ice and selling it at local station, ice buyers of course come there to buy their ice (as opposed to having someone buy cheaper ice there, drag it to Jita and selling for profit). This can cause other traders to move after them to sell in this place.
Suddnely, Jita is empty and system XXX has huge traffic.
So because of this I am not certain if this solution will be too long lived.
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BlueSmok
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Posted - 2006.06.30 08:37:00 -
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Just had a thought... Any macro miners out there that don't read the forums or news, Loyaly activating the macro script and sending the drones out to field that no longer exsist... ROFLMAO!!
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Sable Moran
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Posted - 2006.06.30 08:51:00 -
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Originally by: Jinx Barker
Originally by: Sadayiel Edited by: Sadayiel on 29/06/2006 19:45:52 If someone it's interested just keep the settings folder and prefs archive without delete, this save your bookmark and window configuration ingame =)
I think this is a good idea as long it slows the macrominers, pvp guys let's grave those macronames in your ammo!!!
I made a "Visual Aid" for the Cache Folder (in case peeps want to clear it, and want to keep BMs and Settings): Here ya Go
You might also want to save the 'Browser' folder because it has files which contain your IGB bookmarks.
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Candy Babe
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Posted - 2006.06.30 08:55:00 -
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First off I dont mine ice at all ever, never will either so the effect on me will be very small if at all noticably. I was shocked to to see Oveur's response to Bhaal, I can only offer my support for Bhaal, but good on you for at least asking question's SOOO much toadying on here it's unbelievably. So in this game NO one is allowed to question or disagree, express a view right or wrong without a slap down.
1000 accounts banned good about time, strange when i logged on still 21k online (mid week) just under 22k so at the weekend the game will be a lot less laggy then. More macro's are run in empire coz its safe for some to do so but dont ever think it dont happen in low sec, the player from a well know alliance you used lvl 4 mission channel to announce "yea but not all are firing when i run the script" "opp's wronge channel"
Good for CCP to do something but after all the dust (or ice) has settled, what impact will this have just means new accounts opened and more training for them before they start again, be it on low grade ore's or in other systems where ice is still there FOR NOW.
As for some post praising this move you can see they only want more targets and loot, not very objective view, but then their knuckles drag the ground now so what do you expect. What impact will their be for many who took the challenge up and made new home's in low sec, how will this effect their fuel ?
when they move ice lower or remove it to alliance ground what will happen, so much pressure to go 0.0 experience the real eve, now how will this help anyone or hinder them, kneejerk action or long term plan, more people in low sec with less ability to defend/mine to survive, time will tell when it's all in 0.0 they will be a lot less lag in the game coz the 80% who reside in empire will be less and less, the game will be full of old farrts 3-4 years old (game time) and no one to shoot at.
Instead of playing in alliances they should have flown into jita and checked a few out and the other system's when they mine, picked a few macro's out and jumped them into 0.5 or lower so everybody saw, until Bhaal asked no one knew how many if any accounts were moved.
Power to you Bhaal dont become just another toad I love this game for now, and some of us need people to ask, at least you got an answer, props to you dude
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Sa Sa
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Posted - 2006.06.30 09:01:00 -
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Originally by: Dinique
ICE BELTS ARE NOT BEING REMOVED FROM HIGH SEC EMPIRE ICE BELTS ARE NOT BEING REMOVED FROM HIGH SEC EMPIRE ICE BELTS ARE NOT BEING REMOVED FROM HIGH SEC EMPIRE
Only high traffic systems like Jita are affected by this. Read Kieron and Oveur's posts this time before having a knee-jerk reaction.
Nearly Dinique, unfortunatley people still can't read for some reason
Let me try this and see if anyone STILL replies to this thread whining that they'll have to go to low sec to mine ice...
Here we go....
ICE IS ONLY BEING REMOVED FROM 1.0 & 0.9 SYSTEMS.... NOT ANYWHERE ELSE!!!
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Jim McGregor
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Posted - 2006.06.30 09:03:00 -
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Originally by: kieron This is not being looked at as the end-all to dealing with macro-miners and players who abuse the resources in high-sec areas, there are other measures being looked into. Also, not all the high-sec resources are going away.
The point is, it doesn't make sense for someone to be mining 23/7 in Jita, when there are 4,999 other systems, most of which are not on high-traffic nodes, to mine and gather resources from.
Although I wrote the news item with a decided anti-macrominer tone, load balancing also had an effect on the depletion decision.
This will only affect the load balancing i think. Macro miners will move and continue in other systems like before. Its a shame actually... i thought you guys would remove all ice from empire, to promote miners working together in a hostile environment (low sec) and even make guarding them a valid thing to do for some corps. Would also remove the macroers from the ice completely. Why do you feel this is not a good idea?
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Jim McGregor
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Posted - 2006.06.30 09:06:00 -
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Originally by: Sa Sa
Nearly Dinique, unfortunatley people still can't read for some reason
People read the news and then post, without going through all the replies in the thread. Nothing strange about it.
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Tachy
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Posted - 2006.06.30 09:09:00 -
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@Chribba: The following question might be interesting for you: Does ccp consider Amarr a high traffic system when it comes to removing ore belts? --*=*=*--
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Tachy
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Posted - 2006.06.30 09:10:00 -
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Originally by: Dinique
ICE BELTS ARE NOT BEING REMOVED FROM HIGH SEC EMPIRE ICE BELTS ARE NOT BEING REMOVED FROM HIGH SEC EMPIRE ICE BELTS ARE NOT BEING REMOVED FROM HIGH SEC EMPIRE
Only high traffic systems like Jita are affected by this. Read Kieron and Oveur's posts this time before having a knee-jerk reaction.
I haven't seen a list of affected ice fields. Did you? Where? --*=*=*--
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Jim McGregor
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Posted - 2006.06.30 09:17:00 -
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Edited by: Jim McGregor on 30/06/2006 09:16:55 @Tachy:
Its obvious that Jita is amongst them, even though there is no specifics.
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Chribba
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Posted - 2006.06.30 09:24:00 -
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Originally by: Tachy @Chribba: The following question might be interesting for you: Does ccp consider Amarr a high traffic system when it comes to removing ore belts?
Don't think so, but you never know what evil plans are being discussed over a beer when it comes to veldspar blockade.
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Sa Sa
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Posted - 2006.06.30 09:31:00 -
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Originally by: Jim McGregor
Originally by: Sa Sa
Nearly Dinique, unfortunatley people still can't read for some reason
People read the news and then post, without going through all the replies in the thread. Nothing strange about it.
"Strip mining operations have depleted numerous Ice Fields in high-traffic, high-security Empire regions."
This is the 2nd line of that news report.
People only need to read that news article down to the 2nd line to see exactly which areas are effected, yet they come on these forums and whine to CCP about being forced in to low sec to mine ice. Some even threatend to cancel their accounts. LOL.
CCP shouldn't have bothered trying to role-play that news article and should have just posted in big green letters that ice is being removed from system x, y, and z. Then copied and pasted it 100 times down the page just to make sure that even the dumbest morons would get the message.
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Flyyn
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Posted - 2006.06.30 09:32:00 -
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Edited by: Flyyn on 30/06/2006 09:32:44 Me iceies!!! Where am I to go now for my nice ice!!!<holds up empty glass and bottle of 12 year old scotch> No tell me you not takeing my ice away?!?!?! What good is scotch on the rocks, if I aint got cold rocks?
But really now...This is a step in the right direction!
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Bermag
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Posted - 2006.06.30 09:39:00 -
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If you want to know how people have reacted to these news, then check how much NI were traded in Forge and how little there is left for sale
It would have caused less confusion if the "Hint" did not just say "high-traffic, high-security system" (which could be interpreted as all 0.5+ systems - well at least the "high-security" part) and instead say only some hub systems like Jita/Ours etc will be affected and not all 0.5+
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Tachy
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Posted - 2006.06.30 09:39:00 -
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Originally by: Jim McGregor Edited by: Jim McGregor on 30/06/2006 09:16:55 @Tachy:
Its obvious that Jita is amongst them, even though there is no specifics.
Aye, that one for sure. I know a couple of others too. ccp didn't limit their info to 'Only'. With the available info they could remove all icefields from HiSec.
@Tool fetichists: Icelanders aren't known for using hammers. They prefer spears, swords(expensive!), the one-bladed axe(often used as tools too) and the two-handed battleaxe(not aboard the ships). --*=*=*--
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Miss Overlord
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Posted - 2006.06.30 09:44:00 -
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having such a sudden ISK spending frenzy on ice supplies if everyone is thinking that all .5 and up ice systems are going is probably a good ISK sink that said .5 to .7 looks like some of them might remain. Jita and ours are vanishing but thats a good thing.
Ah well good to see some ISK moving around ingame
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