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BlueSmok
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Posted - 2006.06.29 21:12:00 -
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Inner ice fields being depleted and this Ice Opportunity?
Looks like tough times are soon to be upon those of us who need isotopes to maintain their assets in the field, This is a serious blow. Anyone want to buy a control tower??
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Naginataii
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Posted - 2006.06.29 22:27:00 -
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Quick! Panic buy all the remaining fuel on the market!
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BlueSmok
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Posted - 2006.06.29 22:39:00 -
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Originally by: Naginataii Quick! Panic buy all the remaining fuel on the market!
You can buy all mine, cause it's gotten to rich(poor) for my tastes, and the tower and silos too!
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FrontC
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Posted - 2006.06.29 23:17:00 -
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It will stabilize, it just takes time. Isotopes will probably get back to the old 500-600 per unit price. Reactions and the T2 components built from them will rise as well. Ferrogel used to sell for 25,000 ISK, now it's less than 10. Graviton Reactors used to be 60,000, now about 35,000. Those prices will creep back up, and a POS will be profitable again. |
Sarmea Moon
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Posted - 2006.06.29 23:28:00 -
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Before anyone panicks, reread that thread again, and go past page 1. They make it perfectly clear, they are only removing it from high traffic systems, not all of high sec. It means you are going to have to leave Jita, and go ice mine in Osmon( an empty .6 system a few jumps out). Join channel: "Eve University" or read here |
FrontC
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Posted - 2006.06.29 23:46:00 -
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Originally by: Sarmea Moon Before anyone panicks, reread that thread again, and go past page 1. They make it perfectly clear, they are only removing it from high traffic systems, not all of high sec. It means you are going to have to leave Jita, and go ice mine in Osmon( an empty .6 system a few jumps out).
I don't think it's a panic, just reality. Ice is now more difficult for Macros/Farmers, who are probably the majority of suppliers, so therefore the price will rise. How much is the discussion. Will Macro/Farmers move to mining areas where they have to worry about rats, or will they stick to 0.9 and 1.0 systems and mine ore instead? |
Aurther Dent
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Posted - 2006.06.30 00:40:00 -
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It is reality. As Ice becomes harder for the Macro Miners to mine they will shift to easyer targets. Get ready for high isotope prices as mineral prices drop through the floor.
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Faltor
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Posted - 2006.06.30 01:18:00 -
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I may be in the minority, but this is pure BS. I do not usually post rants, but haveing just spent 5 weeks and started a 2nd PAY account to help my corp with fuel, I now cannot help them without spending *ANOTHER* 6 weeks training?!?!?! (to get to a mack...).... PLEASE tell me this is a belated April Fools joke....
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Rumbaar
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Posted - 2006.06.30 03:43:00 -
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I hear your pain Faltor ....
Though I've been a miner and only gotten some Ice Harvesters recently and not mined much (500-600 sec cycle times!!) I'm dreading this push for us to go low sec.
Also I don't read any confirmation that they are NOT removing Ice from all 0.5+ systems.
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Serina Verity
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Posted - 2006.06.30 07:09:00 -
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If they don't want people to macro-mine ice, they should make it less boring. Base cycle time of 10 minutes and not able to do anything else?
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Red Raustauf
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Posted - 2006.06.30 07:24:00 -
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I aggree, the cycle times for ice are rediculous. You could speed up the cycle times and make the amount of ice mined each tick be smaller. Still the same ice in the end, but with more interest. I mine in low sec space now so that my evening is broken up by throwing my drones at rats and humping to a moon whever a pirate warps in. Eh, its a livin :)
Getting rid of it in high seck space completely wont hurt my feelings at all. those Large armadas of macro mining ships may help the keep the price down... but there way too irritating and will at some point serve to show how much isk they are making over me. Now thats the real tragedy! hehe
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Fishbone
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Posted - 2006.06.30 07:27:00 -
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this is the only way CCP can deal with the macro miners. remove their source of income. sure it will drive more people to lower sec systems, and the greifers, i mean empire pirates will have a field day.
I personally have watched one such group mine in a 0.7 system for the last 2 days, they are there when i log in the morning when I wake up, and still there when i head for bed at night. there is always someone there to hual this ice, mind you i have seen three or 4 different hualers. But becuase someone is there to respond to questions and what not, CCP really cannot do anything to them becuase someone is at the controls, even though its obvious its a macro group. I mean come on, 6 miners and at least 3 hualers, all created withing 10 minutes of each other, that is $135 a month CCP will lose if they ban these accounts just becuase they think they are macro'ing becuase someone can respond to their convo invites. I feel they should ban them, but thats another story.
Another solution would be to make the game run in full screen mode but allow for a ALT+TAB option so the client does not lock up or crash every time and have a nProtect or GameGuard type program that prevents other programs from running in the Eve Client. But then this would probably cuase problems if someone tried to use 2 accounts on the same computer and crash them both. I know I use 2 accounts on one system occasionaly. Thus there would be another way CCP would lose money becuase people would either have to buy more systems and hardware (not an option for me), or just let the additional accounts go.
So bottem line - I think CCP is doing the right thing in combating these mining groups. Sad that it has had to come to this. But like all the changes since day one, the ones that can adapt and overcome will be that much stronger. And if it means replacing Control Towers to match the local ice, so be it, or pay a hefty price to get ice from other regions shipped to you, or start making some trading contracts. I for one think matching the local ice would be better, i mean you control the area already, wouldn't be that hard to mine the ice.
Just my opinion.
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Amethyst Rage
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Posted - 2006.06.30 07:51:00 -
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The miners within our corp, including myself, have moved to ice mining within the last couple of months, we have spent our entire fortune kitting out Macks with tech II Ice harvesters, tech II drones and our characters with ice mining implants.
We mine in 0.8 space, and we earn our living from it.
Now we have to move to pirate infested space with our expensive ships so that the pirates can have their fun with us? All for the sake of a few cheating macro miners that are not only ruining our corps economy but that of the entire game system?
There is only one thing that could make matters worse...ice mining restricted to 0.0 space...and 'I have a bad feeling about this'
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KHEN
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Posted - 2006.06.30 07:57:00 -
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I don't believe that complex mining bots exist, but gold farms with players acting like robots, yes. (I've see a pic of one in french press a few month ago).
Isk farmers are simply going to buy a few char on forums with Carrier ability to protect their miners in low-sec.
Nevertheless, I think ccp did an excellent move placing ice fields only in 0.0-0.4 systems
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KHEN
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Posted - 2006.06.30 08:43:00 -
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I used my uber excel spreadsheet to calculate the impact of new fuel costs on advanced materials : if previous -> new fuel costs are : Isotopes : 220 pu -> 650 pu Liquid Ozone : 420 pu -> 700 pu Heavy water : 75pu -> 200 pu
Then this is how Advanced materials should grow on prices : Carbides : + 65-70% Fermionic Condensates : + 13% Ferrogel : +12 % Fullerides : + 39% Hypersynaptic Fibers : + 16% Nanotransistors : +27 % Phenolic Composites : +35 % Sylramic Fibers : +59 %
Investors should be interested by these numbers but be careful : prices will grow slowly and market will need time to stabilize I've done the maths already for T2 ship components, but keep this for myself since I sell these units...
Fueling a large POS should jump from 137 Mil to 313 Mil per Month So, clearly the effect will be on POS holding sovereignity in key systems (outposts, operational bases) rather than on industrial POS'ses
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Sable Moran
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Posted - 2006.06.30 09:07:00 -
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Jumping to conclusion again, are we?
Originally by: Kieron Some ice fields in high security, high traffic systems will deplete themselves over the coming days,
Read that quote, especially the bolded part. Now read it again. Apply some understanding. Be enlightened.
No need to press the panic button quite yet me thinks.
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KHEN
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Posted - 2006.06.30 10:17:00 -
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Originally by: news Maybe now, they will have to go into less-secure areas where they have to compete with Capsuleers who are at the controls of their mining AND weapon systems. Time will tell."
Originally by: Sable Moran No need to press the panic button quite yet me thinks.
lol, no panic ofc, but wanna bet ?
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Dark Shikari
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Posted - 2006.06.30 13:05:00 -
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Originally by: KHEN I used my uber excel spreadsheet to calculate the impact of new fuel costs on advanced materials : if previous -> new fuel costs are : Isotopes : 220 pu -> 650 pu Liquid Ozone : 420 pu -> 700 pu Heavy water : 75pu -> 200 pu
It isn't going to rise that much.
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Fishbone
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Posted - 2006.06.30 14:20:00 -
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And another thing that was mentioned in the original post you seemed to have missed.
Quote: There are other fields that will suffer the same fate in the near future.
You wanna know how i feel, ready my post up a few. driving them to 0.5 to 0.8 not the answer - they can tank these frigates easy or have someone watching them in shifts all day long - as in my case with the group i been watching. its a 0.7 system after all, only a matter of time when it will be gone.
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KHEN
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Posted - 2006.06.30 19:40:00 -
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Originally by: Dark Shikari
Originally by: KHEN I used my uber excel spreadsheet to calculate the impact of new fuel costs on advanced materials : if previous -> new fuel costs are : Isotopes : 220 pu -> 650 pu Liquid Ozone : 420 pu -> 700 pu Heavy water : 75pu -> 200 pu
It isn't going to rise that much.
My estimation is 20% over estimated due to ice barges losses to pirates and due to those who will stop ice mining (many people do that afk atm). That should reduce the overall production of ice products and involve less competition on prices. These prices will be at a peak which will occur when the last ice roids will disappear from secure space. Then prices should drop a bit and match the prices that you have in mind...
btw always a pleasure to read you on forums, Dark, your opinion on trades and business is always wise and taken into account by me
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Kenz Rider
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Posted - 2006.06.30 22:11:00 -
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One additional factor that not many seem to be considering is that by moving the ice ming out the hubs there will likely have to be more resources devoted to hauling by the macroers, leading to less yield. They may need 2 haulers for every one they have now, which will increase their cost of doing business and drive up the price of ICE. Same with having to buy a carrier (as someone else suggested), it will increase their cost of doing business and ICE will increase in price.
Personally, I don't think the NPCs will serve any threat because an Iteron V can take on most NPCs in 0.7 or 0.8. I really think only the additional hauling and transportation costs will have a small but meaningful impact.
One other issue. As ICE prices go up, it will become more worthwhile to mine, meaning a macro-er can devote more resources to the mining op. Funny how markets work...
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Sable Moran
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Posted - 2006.07.01 07:14:00 -
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Originally by: KHEN
Originally by: Sable Moran No need to press the panic button quite yet me thinks.
lol, no panic ofc, but wanna bet ?
Hell no, I'd loose that bet. On average people are stupid, herd mentality and all that crap, of course they'll panic. Their precious status quo is going to change and they just can't cope with that. But I don't mind, people like that make people like me opportunites.
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FrontC
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Posted - 2006.07.01 18:29:00 -
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Originally by: KHEN
My estimation is 20% over estimated due to ice barges losses to pirates and due to those who will stop ice mining (many people do that afk atm). That should reduce the overall production of ice products and involve less competition on prices. These prices will be at a peak which will occur when the last ice roids will disappear from secure space. Then prices should drop a bit and match the prices that you have in mind...
btw always a pleasure to read you on forums, Dark, your opinion on trades and business is always wise and taken into account by me
Seems to be headed that way. At the time of the announcement topes were selling for 220-230 on average in Forge. Now it's at 310-330 or so - with what looks like a fair amount of activity. I think it will continue to rise (based on reality or speculation) to about 500 where it'll stabilize for awhile.
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franny
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Posted - 2006.07.01 22:05:00 -
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put the tinfoil hats away quote by Kieron in one of the other threads
Originally by: kieron There were five systems affected by the depletion, Sobaseki, Scolluzer, Inoue, Kakakela and Tash-Murkon Prime.
the panic will set in, prices will jump for a week or 2, then drop
good thing I had almost a months worth of fuel for mine anyway
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High Sierra
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Posted - 2006.07.02 11:08:00 -
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stop panicking. its not all of empire its just certain systems.
its threads like this that will help push prices up.
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Sean Dillon
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Posted - 2006.07.02 12:25:00 -
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Oishami is a 0.5 system that has an ice belt and is located in lonetrek. Problems solved.
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Rollio Polleaous
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Posted - 2006.07.02 16:28:00 -
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Quote: Oishami is a 0.5 system that has an ice belt and is located in lonetrek. Problems solved.
No you're wrong the sky is falling, the sky is falling.
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Dark Shikari
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Posted - 2006.07.03 03:47:00 -
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Edited by: Dark Shikari on 03/07/2006 03:47:30
The prices have stabilized around 280-330 ISK, from what I've seen.
The sky isn't falling.
I, however, made a tidy 500 million.
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