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Kuri Kurvora
Black VooDoo Asassins The Kadeshi
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Posted - 2014.07.14 15:21:00 -
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Greetings.
Looking for investors to expand my investments in trading and manufacturing.
Details:
- Minimum investment size: 100 million ISK - Interest rate: 1% / week - Minimum investment time: 2 weeks. - Interest paid out every week (on that day when the investment arrived / every 168 hours ) - Investment must be made in full 100 millions. - Per person investment: unlimited - Project capacity: 4 billion ISK (Expansion is planned) - Collateral: 80% of the investment.
Eve-Mogul data: https://www.eve-mogul.com/reports/profile/232/Aqo0BfuXm73BRN7aWqkZRBgRsDsH9nff (Register Date 2014-07-12 00:50:43. These performance based on 5 billion working capital)
If you have any questions, feel free to post it here, mail me or convo me in-game.
Look at my uncollateralized investment opportunity too by clicking this sentence. [url]https://www.eve-mogul.com/reports/profile/232/Aqo0BfuXm73BRN7aWqkZRBgRsDsH9nff[/url] |-á[url]https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=357864&find=unread[/url] |
RAW23
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Posted - 2014.07.14 16:30:00 -
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My suggestion is that you structure this a little differently.
Split the investment into two tranches:
1) 3bil fully collateralised @ 2.5% (will fill easily) 2) 1bil uncollateralised @10% (should fill if you don't screw up the meet and greet)
Those investors who want fully collateralised loans are going to be dubious about the risk involved in the 20% undercollateralisation and are probably not going to be moved by the fact that you are offering a very low interest rate for someone's first offering. Similarly, those who are willing to take a punt on a new face are going to want more than 4% for their risk. By splitting the offering into tranches you get exactly the same effect but you market the right type of debt to the right people rather than asking two pools of people to both compromise their expectations. There are two types of EVE player:
those who believe there are two types of EVE player and those who do not. |
Kuri Kurvora
Black VooDoo Asassins The Kadeshi
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Posted - 2014.07.14 16:37:00 -
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RAW23 wrote:My suggestion is that you structure this a little differently.
Split the investment into two tranches:
1) 3bil fully collateralised @ 2.5% (will fill easily) 2) 1bil uncollateralised @10% (should fill if you don't screw up the meet and greet)
Those investors who want fully collateralised loans are going to be dubious about the risk involved in the 20% undercollateralisation and are probably not going to be moved by the fact that you are offering a very low interest rate for someone's first offering. Similarly, those who are willing to take a punt on a new face are going to want more than 4% for their risk. By splitting the offering into tranches you get exactly the same effect but you market the right type of debt to the right people rather than asking two pools of people to both compromise their expectations.
Thanks for your constructive reply.
I have two things to say:
First, did you mean 2.5% and 10% per month or week? I stated per week interest. (And I think it is high enough to get someone's attention.)
Secondly, I have another thread about uncollateralized loan.The idea behind I created this 80% collateralized offer is that I am new to the forum. I want to build up reputation for myself, and maybe it will take time for an investor to make a deal with, it will also be the first steps building up good reputation. I think there is an investor out there who will to 'risk' 80% collateralized loan with like, for example, one billion isk for a plex as collateral. Looking for uncollateralized and collateralized loans. |
ResearchGuy10k
LoGisTicAl ERr0R
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Posted - 2014.07.15 12:14:00 -
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I'd be happy to pick this up with 100% Collateral. But anything under this, I'd feel inclined to step away. |
Super Nashwan Power
Isk Fountain
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Posted - 2014.07.15 12:18:00 -
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Kuri Kurvora wrote:- Collateral: 80% of the investment. What is the collateral and how will it be secured?
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Kuri Kurvora
Black VooDoo Asassins The Kadeshi
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Posted - 2014.07.15 12:57:00 -
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Super Nashwan Power wrote:Kuri Kurvora wrote:- Collateral: 80% of the investment. What is the collateral and how will it be secured?
Collateral can be your chosen item type. I can directly contract you or can use Chribba service.
Quote:I'd be happy to pick this up with 100% Collateral. But anything under this, I'd feel inclined to step away.
Idea behind 80% collateral is that I do not have any assets which isn't in work generating isk. With that extra 20% uncollateralized part, I can effectively increase my working capital. I would be glad to prove you a fair deal, and I know reputation and uncollateralized loans come together, and I don't have it yet, but I really want to prove myself trustworthy. You can 'risk' as low as 100 million isk, and later on, when successful deal made, you can decide wether or not you want to continue your initiall investment or raise it. Looking for uncollateralized and collateralized loans. |
Super Nashwan Power
Isk Fountain
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Posted - 2014.07.15 13:00:00 -
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Kuri Kurvora wrote:Collateral can be your chosen item type. Are you saying that you are going to buy the collateral specifically for this, or is there a list of collateral items for me to choose from?
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Kuri Kurvora
Black VooDoo Asassins The Kadeshi
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Posted - 2014.07.15 13:02:00 -
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Super Nashwan Power wrote:Kuri Kurvora wrote:Collateral can be your chosen item type. Are you saying that you are going to buy the collateral specifically for this, or is there a list of collateral items for me to choose from?
I have 4 PLEX to cover the maximum 4 billion loan, but can convert it to any type of item if you want.
Looking for uncollateralized and collateralized loans. |
CupCake Kittie
Big Pink Fluffly CupCakes
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Posted - 2014.07.15 13:07:00 -
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hey my friend i have just noticed your last 2 days from eve mogul has seen no profit any explanation to this ? |
Kuri Kurvora
Black VooDoo Asassins The Kadeshi
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Posted - 2014.07.15 13:08:00 -
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CupCake Kittie wrote:hey my friend i have just noticed your last 2 days from eve mogul has seen no profit any explanation to this ?
That's impossible. Please check it again:
https://www.eve-mogul.com/reports/profile/232/Aqo0BfuXm73BRN7aWqkZRBgRsDsH9nff
Can someone other check it too?
Looking for uncollateralized and collateralized loans. |
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CupCake Kittie
Big Pink Fluffly CupCakes
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Posted - 2014.07.15 13:12:00 -
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Oooops really really sorry
Yeah sorry i did not refresh from one of my old moguls really sorry :/
on that note i would like to place 1 bill with collateral please i will be willing to take 1 plex for the time period. |
Super Nashwan Power
Isk Fountain
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Posted - 2014.07.15 13:13:00 -
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Kuri Kurvora wrote:Super Nashwan Power wrote:Kuri Kurvora wrote:Collateral can be your chosen item type. Are you saying that you are going to buy the collateral specifically for this, or is there a list of collateral items for me to choose from? I have 4 PLEX to cover the maximum 4 billion loan, but can convert it to any type of item if you want. Ok, I'll fill the loan with the 4 PLEX as 80% collateral on 4B. Make out a contract to me and I'll accept it later today. |
Kuri Kurvora
Black VooDoo Asassins The Kadeshi
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Posted - 2014.07.15 13:16:00 -
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CupCake Kittie wrote:Oooops really really sorry Yeah sorry i did not refresh from one of my old moguls really sorry :/ on that note i would like to place 1 bill with collateral please i will be willing to take 1 plex for the time period.
Thank you. I will contract it to you today. Once you accepted, I will post here the details.
Quote:Ok, I'll fill the loan with the 4 PLEX as 80% collateral on 4B. Make out a contract to me and I'll accept it later today.
I am sorry, but you were one minute late. CupCake Kittie put an offer on one billion before you. So only 3 billion left. Will you take it still? Looking for uncollateralized and collateralized loans. |
Super Nashwan Power
Isk Fountain
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Posted - 2014.07.15 13:17:00 -
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Kuri Kurvora wrote:So only 3 billion left. Will you take it still? Yes.
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CupCake Kittie
Big Pink Fluffly CupCakes
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Posted - 2014.07.15 13:20:00 -
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Quote:Thank you. I will contract it to you today. Once you accepted, I will post here the details.
Awesome thank you.
Sorry for the snipe super nashwan power |
Elizabeth Norn
Nornir Research
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Posted - 2014.07.15 14:39:00 -
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Why are you only trading with 5b on Eve-Mogul? You implied you were using at least 100b in your last thread. .
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Kuri Kurvora
Black VooDoo Asassins The Kadeshi
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Posted - 2014.07.15 15:21:00 -
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Elizabeth Norn wrote:Why are you only trading with 5b on Eve-Mogul? You implied you were using at least 100b in your last thread.
I was waiting for this question. Answer is simple. I just wanted to proof my profitability. Of course the bigger capital doesn't provide that much profitability in percentage. Also, I didn't say I have just 100B. I said an 50 bill project would raise my working capital by 25-50%. Looking for uncollateralized and collateralized loans. |
CupCake Kittie
Big Pink Fluffly CupCakes
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Posted - 2014.07.15 15:27:00 -
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Currently holding 1 plex as collateral.
sent Kuri Kurvora 1bilion isk for 4 weeks. for 1% per week profit.
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Kuri Kurvora
Black VooDoo Asassins The Kadeshi
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Posted - 2014.07.15 15:47:00 -
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CupCake Kittie wrote:Currently holding 1 plex as collateral.
sent Kuri Kurvora 1bilion isk for 4 weeks. for 1% per week profit.
Details:
Loan amount: 1.000.000.000 Isk Contract made: 2014.07.15 14:42 Interest: 1% Collateral amount: 80% (800.000.000 ISK) Collateral format: 1 piece of 30 Day Pilot's License Extension (PLEX) Payment type: weekly
Thanks for the business. Looking for uncollateralized and collateralized loans. |
Archibald Thistlewaite III
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Posted - 2014.07.15 15:55:00 -
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PLEX prices have reached 1 billion isk. Awesome. |
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Kuri Kurvora
Black VooDoo Asassins The Kadeshi
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Posted - 2014.07.15 15:57:00 -
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Archibald Thistlewaite III wrote:PLEX prices have reached 1 billion isk. Awesome.
Nope, they are 800 million ISK currently. In this case, they are just collaterals.
Offtopic:
I am sure they will reah 2 billion too. Looking for uncollateralized and collateralized loans. |
Kuri Kurvora
Black VooDoo Asassins The Kadeshi
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Posted - 2014.07.15 16:48:00 -
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Details:
Investor: Super Nashwan Power
Loan amount: 3.000.000.000 Isk Contract made: 2014.07.15 16:43 Interest: 1% per week Collateral amount: 80% (2.400.000.000 ISK) Collateral format: 3 piece of 30 Day Pilot's License Extension (PLEX) Payment type: weekly Next payment: Before 2014.07.22 16:43 Next payment amount: 30.000.000 ISK
First post updated accordingly.
Thanks for the business. Looking for uncollateralized and collateralized loans. |
Elizabeth Norn
Nornir Research
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Posted - 2014.07.16 00:49:00 -
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Kuri Kurvora wrote:Elizabeth Norn wrote:Why are you only trading with 5b on Eve-Mogul? You implied you were using at least 100b in your last thread. I was waiting for this question. Answer is simple. I just wanted to proof my profitability. Of course the bigger capital doesn't provide that much profitability in percentage. Also, I didn't say I have just 100B. I said an 50 bill project would raise my working capital by 25-50%.
I said at least 100b, what you said implies you were trading with anything from 100-200b. It seems very strange that you would suddenly stop trading with 95-97.5% of your ISK for a few days, when trading with your full capital would prove your profitability just as well. It's not like Eve-Mogul even shows how much ISK you have in orders. .
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Kuri Kurvora
Black VooDoo Asassins The Kadeshi
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Posted - 2014.07.16 07:38:00 -
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Elizabeth Norn wrote:Kuri Kurvora wrote:Elizabeth Norn wrote:Why are you only trading with 5b on Eve-Mogul? You implied you were using at least 100b in your last thread. I was waiting for this question. Answer is simple. I just wanted to proof my profitability. Of course the bigger capital doesn't provide that much profitability in percentage. Also, I didn't say I have just 100B. I said an 50 bill project would raise my working capital by 25-50%. I said at least 100b, what you said implies you were trading with anything from 100-200b. It seems very strange that you would suddenly stop trading with 95-97.5% of your ISK for a few days, when trading with your full capital would prove your profitability just as well. It's not like Eve-Mogul even shows how much ISK you have in orders.
Who said I stoped trading with my alts? Looking for uncollateralized and collateralized loans. |
Elizabeth Norn
Nornir Research
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Posted - 2014.07.16 10:26:00 -
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I don't know . .
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Ria Nieyli
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Posted - 2014.07.16 10:30:00 -
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Elizabeth Norn wrote:Kuri Kurvora wrote:Elizabeth Norn wrote:Why are you only trading with 5b on Eve-Mogul? You implied you were using at least 100b in your last thread. I was waiting for this question. Answer is simple. I just wanted to proof my profitability. Of course the bigger capital doesn't provide that much profitability in percentage. Also, I didn't say I have just 100B. I said an 50 bill project would raise my working capital by 25-50%. I said at least 100b, what you said implies you were trading with anything from 100-200b. It seems very strange that you would suddenly stop trading with 95-97.5% of your ISK for a few days, when trading with your full capital would prove your profitability just as well. It's not like Eve-Mogul even shows how much ISK you have in orders.
In this post that got deleted, he couldn't figure out why people plex their accounts instead of paying for their subs with isk. The whole thing just seems a bit sideways, considering he claims to have hundreds of billions. Do not remove a fly from your friend's forehead with a hatchet.
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Setsune Rin
Collapsed Out Overload Everything
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Posted - 2014.07.16 14:22:00 -
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Kuri Kurvora wrote:Elizabeth Norn wrote:Kuri Kurvora wrote:Elizabeth Norn wrote:Why are you only trading with 5b on Eve-Mogul? You implied you were using at least 100b in your last thread. I was waiting for this question. Answer is simple. I just wanted to proof my profitability. Of course the bigger capital doesn't provide that much profitability in percentage. Also, I didn't say I have just 100B. I said an 50 bill project would raise my working capital by 25-50%. I said at least 100b, what you said implies you were trading with anything from 100-200b. It seems very strange that you would suddenly stop trading with 95-97.5% of your ISK for a few days, when trading with your full capital would prove your profitability just as well. It's not like Eve-Mogul even shows how much ISK you have in orders. Who said I stoped trading with my alts?
then what is this supposed to prove exactly? that you can trade with a tiny sum?
you're still not backup up your claims of handling 100b |
Kuri Kurvora
Black VooDoo Asassins The Kadeshi
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Posted - 2014.07.16 15:25:00 -
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Quote: In this post that got deleted, he couldn't figure out why people plex their accounts instead of paying for their subs with isk. The whole thing just seems a bit sideways, considering he claims to have hundreds of billions.
Let me quote what I wrote and please read it carefuly.
Quote:Cidanel Afuran wrote: I am asking this honestly as someone still pretty new to the game. I am just under 3m skillpoints, have moved to null and finally see how much ISK I can make per hour. That being said, I am not sure why anyone would ever grind for ISK to buy plex in game. The math doesn't add up to me. I consider 'grinding' anything I don't enjoy actively doing. Ratting/mining/etc. is a grind, but so is working landscaping IRL on a saturday.
If I grind in game, I can earn a plex in about 10 hours of work (around 70 mil ISK/hour).
If I take a job doing landscaping for a neighbor, I can earn a plex in about two hours work ($10/hour).
Why would I ever grind in game if I can earn my monthly plex in a fraction of the time outside the game? It isn't like anyone actually enjoys hours of grinding out the ISK needed to pay for it, do they?
Kuri Kurvora: Your question was asked by a lot of people before and your conclusion is so true. Why do they do this? I don't really know ... stupidity?
I just replied to a post where Cidanel Afuran asked why they farm like hell for hours to buy their plex with isk, instead of working 1 or 2 hours at a job to get it. (Speaking about boring, not-so-fun isk grinding). I answered that I totally agree with him, I don't know either why people do this. I didn't speak about plexing account instead of isk payment, but the isk making way to buy a plex which isn't exactly logical.
Quote:then what is this supposed to prove exactly? that you can trade with a tiny sum?
you're still not backup up your claims of handling 100b
It is to prove I can make reasonable profits.
Please let me ask you a question.
Will it prove something if the deals with the investors (this four billion isk) will be successful? Looking for uncollateralized and collateralized loans. |
Ria Nieyli
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Posted - 2014.07.16 16:01:00 -
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Kuri Kurvora wrote:I just replied to a post where Cidanel Afuran asked why they farm like hell for hours to buy their plex with isk, instead of working 1 or 2 hours at a job to get it. (Speaking about boring, not-so-fun isk grinding). I answered that I totally agree with him, I don't know either why people do this. I didn't speak about plexing account instead of isk payment, but the isk making way to buy a plex which isn't exactly logical.
Why do you bother trading then? Just buy plex and seed the market to solve all your isk needs. I mean, you already bought 4 to offer as collater at 80%, mind you...
Kuri Kurvora wrote:It is to prove I can make reasonable profits.
Please let me ask you a question.
Will it prove something if the deals with the investors (this four billion isk) will be successful?
I lol'd. The rep grind, it never ends... Do not remove a fly from your friend's forehead with a hatchet.
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Kuri Kurvora
Black VooDoo Asassins The Kadeshi
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Posted - 2014.07.16 17:24:00 -
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Quote:Why do you bother trading then? Just buy plex and seed the market to solve all your isk needs. I mean, you already bought 4 to offer as collater at 80%, mind you...
"...Speaking about boring, not-so-fun isk grinding..." - To make profits is fun for me.
... and I bought the plexes with Isk.
Looking for uncollateralized and collateralized loans. |
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