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Graelyn
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Posted - 2006.06.30 00:04:00 -
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With Titans built by the Capsuleer Alliances on the horizon, I can't help but wonder about the Titans, and in particular, how they will measure up to thier Empire Navy counterparts.
What do I mean? Here's what we do know from the prime backstory, and ingame.
The Titans Amarr built took entire moons and many years to assemble. The one Khanid stole from Amarr is very different, as seen in this pic. Khanid Titan The Solteur stolen from GalFedNavy has distinctly different looks and a VERY different weapons system, as witnessed at the Battles into Serpentis. (That was nuts!) The Minmitaar Titan (only seen by some VERY old players) was originally a huge flying 'Matari Colony' (which is awesome, btw, ugly as all hell though, you think the player one looks bad...)
Will these differences continue to be the case? Which is the greater Titan? Do mighty Navy Titan captains fear the Alliances yet?
I hope at the very least that the Empires had the lobes to put fighter bays on thier supercaps. Titans launching five heavy drones is just embarassing.
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Cocoi
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Posted - 2006.06.30 00:06:00 -
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Only future events with 'imaginary ships' like these can tell us that .
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Graelyn
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Posted - 2006.06.30 00:15:00 -
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Still, we already do know the 4 Capsuleer Titans' capabilities, stats, weapons, and uses.
I figure maybe a few pilots would prefer the supersmartbomb the Serps used to a Doomsday device.
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digitalwanderer
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Posted - 2006.06.30 00:28:00 -
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Even though there's only that single picture,that khanid titan design just plain rules compared to the Avatar to be honest....
As far as seeing player built titans,i still seriously doubt any are actually being built,as that rumor has been going around for months now and if there was one already built,we would have heard about it by now,and simply put,the current specs,capabilities and limitations of titans as they are now,simply don't make them good enough in my view to warrant their construction to be honest...
Adding the ability to launch fighters in even greater numbers than a mothership would be an awsome idea,since the titan is the ultimate carrier to have,vastly increased HP to numbers that are at least 10x higher than their current value and the cap to run a tanking setup that can soak up lots of concentrated fire at the same time,would be nice to have
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Dark Shikari
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Posted - 2006.06.30 00:46:00 -
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Edited by: Dark Shikari on 30/06/2006 00:46:38
Originally by: digitalwanderer As far as seeing player built titans,i still seriously doubt any are actually being built,as that rumor has been going around for months now and if there was one already built,we would have heard about it by now,and simply put,the current specs,capabilities and limitations of titans as they are now,simply don't make them good enough in my view to warrant their construction to be honest...
At least one BPO has been bought, and BoB has announced publicly that they are building one, and have publicly stated its location.
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SengH
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Posted - 2006.06.30 00:47:00 -
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I can just imagine TomB redoing the stats for the empire titans for factional warfare.
Tomb: Hmm.. Gallente titan...40mil hp 5 drones... ehhh ... we'll be flying it half the time anyways. Lets try something OVERPOWERED!. Duckling: How about 50 fighters? Tuxford: The player mothership can already field 25 fighters. We need something that says I'm a dev its overpowered and I know it. We can make a special version for you that has just 50 fighters if you want. TomB: Hmm lets add an extra 0 to that.
Next Day on Chaos Mephysto: Whats this new ship? Gallente Soletur Mk2 Virrago: Wow nice dronebay on it 50mil m3? Mephysto: Hmm lets take this for a spin Virrago: Errh wtf is this? New attribute IsOverpowered = 1? Mephysto: LOL if its anything like the gallente carrier this should be fun. *right clicks and does launch all drones* Notify node 1141 has gone offline.
On IRC Mephysto: @#$#@%$#@k Valar: Ok who crashed chaos again TomB: Okay maybe 500 wasnt such a great idea after all.
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digitalwanderer
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Posted - 2006.06.30 01:25:00 -
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At least one BPO has been bought, and BoB has announced publicly that they are building one, and have publicly stated its location.
I Don't doubt that a Titan BPO may have been purchased,but BoB has been saying the same thing for the last 3+ months now and last i checked,a Titan only take 8 weeks to build,so,where is it?.....
Heck even a screen shot with the system/constellation/region and pilots name/picture info edited out for obvious reasons,would do fine at this point.... .
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Terranid Meester
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Posted - 2006.06.30 02:32:00 -
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Edited by: Terranid Meester on 30/06/2006 02:32:10 To the OP (or anyone else that knows) - Where did you get that Khanid Titan picture by the way?
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Arcadia1701
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Posted - 2006.06.30 02:33:00 -
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That titan pic is VERY similar to the new amarr tier 3 BS The Abadon
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Sakura Nihil
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Posted - 2006.06.30 03:54:00 -
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Originally by: SengH I can just imagine TomB redoing the stats for the empire titans for factional warfare.
Tomb: Hmm.. Gallente titan...40mil hp 5 drones... ehhh ... we'll be flying it half the time anyways. Lets try something OVERPOWERED!. Duckling: How about 50 fighters? Tuxford: The player mothership can already field 25 fighters. We need something that says I'm a dev its overpowered and I know it. We can make a special version for you that has just 50 fighters if you want. TomB: Hmm lets add an extra 0 to that.
Next Day on Chaos Mephysto: Whats this new ship? Gallente Soletur Mk2 Virrago: Wow nice dronebay on it 50mil m3? Mephysto: Hmm lets take this for a spin Virrago: Errh wtf is this? New attribute IsOverpowered = 1? Mephysto: LOL if its anything like the gallente carrier this should be fun. *right clicks and does launch all drones* Notify node 1141 has gone offline.
On IRC Mephysto: @#$#@%$#@k Valar: Ok who crashed chaos again TomB: Okay maybe 500 wasnt such a great idea after all.
ROFL, so that's why they got the new servers .
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Suze'Rain
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Posted - 2006.06.30 04:20:00 -
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Originally by: Arcadia1701 That titan pic is VERY similar to the new amarr tier 3 BS The Abadon
that titan image, however, pre-dates the Abbadon's concept art by at least 2 years, possibly 3. I rmember seeing that image back in 2003 or thereabouts. same with the Caldari Titan
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Malthros Zenobia
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Posted - 2006.06.30 04:41:00 -
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Originally by: Suze'Rain
Originally by: Arcadia1701 That titan pic is VERY similar to the new amarr tier 3 BS The Abadon
that titan image, however, pre-dates the Abbadon's concept art by at least 2 years, possibly 3. I rmember seeing that image back in 2003 or thereabouts. same with the Caldari Titan
Old titan concept art kicks the current Titan's ass almost as much as the old idea of them being mobile stations.
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Shiraz Merlot
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Posted - 2006.06.30 04:55:00 -
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Originally by: digitalwanderer I Don't doubt that a Titan BPO may have been purchased,but BoB has been saying the same thing for the last 3+ months now and last i checked,a Titan only take 8 weeks to build,so,where is it?.....
Almost certainly in a lab being researched for ME.
/sm
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Dawn Verragan
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Posted - 2006.06.30 07:20:00 -
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Originally by: Graelyn
We've seen the Jovian 'Mothership' (Titan) in the first minute of 'EvE Never Fades', ...
If you're referring to that spiky, glowing things... That're drone hives I thought?
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James Duar
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Posted - 2006.06.30 08:33:00 -
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I like the notion that the pod pilot alliances could construct warships which would put the fear of god into the Empires. Maybe not the current generation of Titans, but there should be some options with our research labs to design upgrades and modifications to the current BPOs until we come up with...well let's face it we all want the deathstar laser.
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Dao 2
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Posted - 2006.06.30 09:04:00 -
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titans arent scary stat wise cept for the doomsday device i think :S
to make them the true monsters i think they should
A) Be able to use siege mode (along with mothership as well)
B) + 5 figthers per lvl like the mother ship, and let it use figthrs of course ;p and +200% range like the carrier
C) have some more hp :|
having the empire titans as well would be cool ;p and maybe we could have a true mobile station :( like dock in it and stuff ;p
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Joshua Foiritain
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Posted - 2006.06.30 09:20:00 -
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Edited by: Joshua Foiritain on 30/06/2006 09:20:31
Originally by: Graelyn We've seen the Jovian 'Mothership' (Titan) in the first minute of 'EvE Never Fades', but all we know is that it has a huge green superpwnagebeamzor.
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Seleene
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Posted - 2006.06.30 09:54:00 -
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Originally by: digitalwanderer As far as seeing player built titans,i still seriously doubt any are actually being built,as that rumor has been going around for months now and if there was one already built,we would have heard about it by now,and simply put,the current specs,capabilities and limitations of titans as they are now,simply don't make them good enough in my view to warrant their construction to be honest...
They are being built.
As for the rest, I'll agree. The only thing a Titan can do that a Mothership cannot is generate its own jump portal and there is still no raw data on how that works or what the cost is.
The super weapon is pathetic. The math was done in another thread but the result was this: outside of getting a lucky shot in on an invading BS fleet, you'd need something on the order of at least ten or more Titans firing their super weapons simultaneously to kill off a fleet of sieged Dreads attacking a POS.
Excluding BPO costs, I can build four Motherships for the mineral cost of one titan. Or I can build over twenty Dreads... or nearly forty carriers.
I welcome any arguments to convince me why I should build more than one of these things, if at all, in their current form.
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Dragon Sworn
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Posted - 2006.06.30 11:04:00 -
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Originally by: Seleene
Originally by: digitalwanderer As far as seeing player built titans,i still seriously doubt any are actually being built,as that rumor has been going around for months now and if there was one already built,we would have heard about it by now,and simply put,the current specs,capabilities and limitations of titans as they are now,simply don't make them good enough in my view to warrant their construction to be honest...
They are being built.
As for the rest, I'll agree. The only thing a Titan can do that a Mothership cannot is generate its own jump portal and there is still no raw data on how that works or what the cost is.
The super weapon is pathetic. The math was done in another thread but the result was this: outside of getting a lucky shot in on an invading BS fleet, you'd need something on the order of at least ten or more Titans firing their super weapons simultaneously to kill off a fleet of sieged Dreads attacking a POS.
Excluding BPO costs, I can build four Motherships for the mineral cost of one titan. Or I can build over twenty Dreads... or nearly forty carriers.
I welcome any arguments to convince me why I should build more than one of these things, if at all, in their current form.
Cause they look really really uber cool, but so does Dreads Carriers and Motherships !! I'm so confused :(
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CCP Hammer
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Posted - 2006.06.30 12:04:00 -
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Originally by: SengH I can just imagine TomB redoing the stats for the empire titans for factional warfare.
Tomb: Hmm.. Gallente titan...40mil hp 5 drones... ehhh ... we'll be flying it half the time anyways. Lets try something OVERPOWERED!. Duckling: How about 50 fighters? Tuxford: The player mothership can already field 25 fighters. We need something that says I'm a dev its overpowered and I know it. We can make a special version for you that has just 50 fighters if you want. TomB: Hmm lets add an extra 0 to that.
Next Day on Chaos Mephysto: Whats this new ship? Gallente Soletur Mk2 Virrago: Wow nice dronebay on it 50mil m3? Mephysto: Hmm lets take this for a spin Virrago: Errh wtf is this? New attribute IsOverpowered = 1? Mephysto: LOL if its anything like the gallente carrier this should be fun. *right clicks and does launch all drones* Notify node 1141 has gone offline.
On IRC Mephysto: @#$#@%$#@k Valar: Ok who crashed chaos again TomB: Okay maybe 500 wasnt such a great idea after all.
I find it funny how you have the girl in marketing doing balancing. Other than missing the part about me sending pictures of boobies around in e-mail and Oveur yelling "BACK TO WORK" you have a pretty accurate depiction of what it's like around the office.
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Karmic
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Posted - 2006.06.30 12:12:00 -
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Originally by: Seleene
I welcome any arguments to convince me why I should build more than one of these things, if at all, in their current form.
So you can do "live" fire exercises of the doomsday weapon on your corp whilst there out in there pimped out ships - - - - - - - - -
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Sandra Tseng
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Posted - 2006.06.30 12:46:00 -
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/me whants a Tech2 Titan
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Max Teranous
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Posted - 2006.06.30 12:56:00 -
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The superweapon does nothing to dreads, but it WTFPWN's the support fleet if it doesn't have specialist setups on the BS's to take it - and dreads without a support fleet are just asking to get toasted.
Besides - it is quite possibly the funniest thing to break a gate camp with - cyno up, Boom headshot !
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Seleene
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Posted - 2006.06.30 13:50:00 -
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Originally by: Max Teranous The superweapon does nothing to dreads, but it WTFPWN's the support fleet if it doesn't have specialist setups on the BS's to take it - and dreads without a support fleet are just asking to get toasted.
Besides - it is quite possibly the funniest thing to break a gate camp with - cyno up, Boom headshot !
Well, yeah. But I want a SUPER weapon. Something that makes POS shields wince a bit, ya know? New skill, maybe? Or, at the least, how about an XXL Tractor Beam that allows me to toss a 30km Veldspar roid at the POS? Eh? How about that??!
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Cocoi
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Posted - 2006.06.30 14:02:00 -
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So, when are we going to see a Jovian Titan?
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Laocoon
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Posted - 2006.06.30 14:23:00 -
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Originally by: Graelyn We've seen the Jovian 'Mothership' (Titan) in the first minute of 'EvE Never Fades',
say what now? - Lao
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Viktor Fyretracker
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Posted - 2006.06.30 14:26:00 -
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well Heres Something Bigger then a Titan......
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digitalwanderer
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Posted - 2006.06.30 14:30:00 -
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Originally by: Shiraz Merlot
Originally by: digitalwanderer I Don't doubt that a Titan BPO may have been purchased,but BoB has been saying the same thing for the last 3+ months now and last i checked,a Titan only take 8 weeks to build,so,where is it?.....
Almost certainly in a lab being researched for ME.
/sm
Then you can't really call it being built now can you?...Researching ME on the BPO is at best case,laying the ground work for it's eventual construction down the line,as i know how long each ME lvl takes on one of those and it isn't pretty...
Even then the ME research argument isn't too convincing,since it's benefits would be mostly felt once you produce several examples of the ship,where the isk savings can then be considerable(read multiple billions on ships needing that many capital ship parts),not with just one ship built...
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Convictus
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Posted - 2006.06.30 18:15:00 -
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What titans or perhaps some future ship should have is a huge beam weapon that takes a long time to charge and perhaps consumes a lot of resources but when fired absolutely fries things in its path... and "makes POS shields quiver"... now that would be cool :) Most ships would have time to get out of the wake if they are paying attention and it would have the desired effect of causing havoc on heavily tanked stationary objects.
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Waterfowl Democracy
The Ministry of Indigenous Affairs GoonSwarm
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Posted - 2007.11.07 04:22:00 -
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Originally by: Seleene
Originally by: digitalwanderer As far as seeing player built titans,i still seriously doubt any are actually being built,as that rumor has been going around for months now and if there was one already built,we would have heard about it by now,and simply put,the current specs,capabilities and limitations of titans as they are now,simply don't make them good enough in my view to warrant their construction to be honest...
They are being built.
As for the rest, I'll agree. The only thing a Titan can do that a Mothership cannot is generate its own jump portal and there is still no raw data on how that works or what the cost is.
The super weapon is pathetic. The math was done in another thread but the result was this: outside of getting a lucky shot in on an invading BS fleet, you'd need something on the order of at least ten or more Titans firing their super weapons simultaneously to kill off a fleet of sieged Dreads attacking a POS.
Excluding BPO costs, I can build four Motherships for the mineral cost of one titan. Or I can build over twenty Dreads... or nearly forty carriers.
I welcome any arguments to convince me why I should build more than one of these things, if at all, in their current form.
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