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BrundleMeth
Caldari Provisions Caldari State
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Posted - 2014.07.14 23:28:00 -
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Me personally I simply hate all the scamming. And no I never fell for a scam. But it is simply a waste of space IMO...
I think that many people are short sighted too. When someone quits all the clowns say is "Good riddance, we don't need his type anyway". I don't think thats a fair assement... |
Jenn aSide
Smokin Aces.
7229
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Posted - 2014.07.14 23:29:00 -
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Scipio Artelius wrote:Titania Hrothgar wrote:Oh, I must be one of these people? I'm going to hide my head in the sands because I brought up one of the most common complaints of the people the OP posted about? You're very presumptuous, aren't you? However, people get pissed off because their level of anger is inversely proportional to their acceptance of responsibility. No scammer and no scam ever, forced anyone to lose their money. When people who fall for scams get angry it's because they want to blame someone else, rather than accept that it was their own fault, 100%. As soon as there is a change in perspective, there is a change in the level of anger and an opportunity to learn from the situation and figure out how to not fall for the same thing again. Those are lessons that sometimes carry over into RL too, in terms of the general principles of dealing with difficult situations. There is so much about this game that adds to it's depth and to the challenge it throws up. Scams are very much a part of that.
Well said. That's another thing about EVE that games generally don't have: it requires a sense of responsibility, other games tend to shield you from amny choices and mistakes.
This, btw, is why I dislike the whole "safety" thing. Sure, it kind makes sense that CCP doesn't want people unintentionally creating content (lol), but something of the game died the day EVE started letting people not make mistakes IMO. |
Gallowmere Rorschach
Enlightened Industries Goonswarm Federation
402
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Posted - 2014.07.14 23:31:00 -
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Okay, let's be 100% honest and straightforward for a moment. As a whole, on the gameplay level, this game is ******* terrible. It's slow, it's borderline mindnumbing, it's tedious, it's skill queue online, it's got one of the most wonky and ridiculous physics engines ever conceived (though that's been getting better), it's challenge level is borderline laughable once you get past the first couple of weeks so long as you aren't doing anything stupid like trying to do L4 missions in a Burst...I'll stop there, but you get my point.
The only thing that makes this game enjoyable for anyone with a fully functioning brain is the people who play it, and the **** they do and say to each other. How often do you find yourself docked up, talking to people for hours at a time, because suddenly chat was far more interesting than anything the actual game provides? If not that, how often do you find yourself borderline AFKing the most 'challenging' PvE content whilst completely immersed in a conversation in chat? Exactly. |
Ramona McCandless
The McCandless Clan
6266
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Posted - 2014.07.14 23:31:00 -
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I hate aviator glasses
I dont wear them, but I think they are a waste of space
Get em binned cos more people will stop quitting once my petty demand is fulfilled "Many have joined the battle, many have survived the tests and trials, but countless have fallen because they weren't the sharpest, the fastest thinking, the most devious, the most ruthless or most intelligent. -áLog in and Compete!"-á- CCP Falcon
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Nathaniel Raynaud
Space Interstellar Reclamation Services
10
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Posted - 2014.07.14 23:32:00 -
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BrundleMeth wrote:Me personally I simply hate all the scamming. And no I never fell for a scam. But it is simply a waste of space IMO...
I think that many people are short sighted too. When someone quits all the clowns say is "Good riddance, we don't need his type anyway". I don't think thats a fair assement...
on the other hand, scammers create great opportunities to insult people in local chat and are thus important members of the eve ecosystem (evecosystem) |
Myxx
747
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Posted - 2014.07.14 23:33:00 -
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Mallak Azaria wrote:Myxx wrote:Mallak Azaria wrote:Ralph King-Griffin wrote:Eve deliberately excludes the stupid and the weak willied. Its reputation is a reflection of that. Your "ex" player quote is from infinity ziona...nuf said.
Grow up, eve is hard and we make it that way because we like it that way Interestingly enough, Infinity Ziona was complaining about cyberbullying against him that wasn't happening (unless disagreeing with someone on the internet is cyberbullying, then I guess it was happening) around the same time that he decided to threaten people with pictures of himself, verbal abuse irl & his attack dogs. Think about that for a minute OP. I was wondering why that name was relevant. Did not know that. ohwell. in all honesty, it isn't a unique viewpoint I don't think. It's not an uncommon occurence for someone who quits over some silly reason (in that particular case, he was being AFK cloaky camped by someone he had previously AFK cloaky camped) to 'add in a little extra', usually calling on the worst case scenarios in an attempt to bolster their inherently false & petty argument. What this really comes down to is; Do you care what the sheeple think? My personal opinion is that a bunch of stuff should change, for the game's long term health. What others think isn't really a concern to me, and I think about 80 percent of EVE's community would disagree with me over it.
The point is pretty clear from my OP, I think. If you agree or disagree is your own opinion. |
Unsuccessful At Everything
The Troll Bridge
15260
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Posted - 2014.07.14 23:34:00 -
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I remember when the whole universe thought the Sith were a huge problem.
You know what happened?
The universe purged out all the Jedi.
Turns out the real problem the universe had.. was too many good guys.
Since the cessation of their usefulness is imminent, may I appropriate your belongings? |
Chewytowel Haklar
Dayman Industries
38
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Posted - 2014.07.14 23:34:00 -
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Gallowmere Rorschach wrote:Okay, let's be 100% honest and straightforward for a moment. As a whole, on the gameplay level, this game is ******* terrible. It's slow, it's borderline mindnumbing, it's tedious, it's skill queue online, it's got one of the most wonky and ridiculous physics engines ever conceived (though that's been getting better), it's challenge level is borderline laughable once you get past the first couple of weeks so long as you aren't doing anything stupid like trying to do L4 missions in a Burst...I'll stop there, but you get my point.
The only thing that makes this game enjoyable for anyone with a fully functioning brain is the people who play it, and the **** they do and say to each other. How often do you find yourself docked up, talking to people for hours at a time, because suddenly chat was far more interesting than anything the actual game provides? If not that, how often do you find yourself borderline AFKing the most 'challenging' PvE content whilst completely immersed in a conversation in chat? Exactly.
I know actually talking to people and treating them like human beings is wonderful. |
Gully Alex Foyle
Black Fox Marauders Repeat 0ffenders
1252
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Posted - 2014.07.14 23:35:00 -
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BrundleMeth wrote:Me personally I simply hate all the scamming. And no I never fell for a scam. But it is simply a waste of space IMO...
I think that many people are short sighted too. When someone quits all the clowns say is "Good riddance, we don't need his type anyway". I don't think thats a fair assement... Depends.
I quit because: 'you guys are so mean' 'I can't play for free anymore because :PLEX:' 'gankers won't let me play by myself' 'some meanie scammed me' etc....
--> goodbye!
I quit because: 'the game is too complicated' 'it's too demanding time-wise' 'I tried but couldn't find a good corp' 'I'm burnt out'
--> usually people will try to help, or at least say 'we'll keep a cyno lit for you if you change your mind'. EVE Online: Death-o-meter |
Mallak Azaria
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
5524
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Posted - 2014.07.14 23:36:00 -
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BrundleMeth wrote:When someone quits all the clowns say is "Good riddance, we don't need his type anyway". I don't think thats a fair assement...
When someone quits because of 'reasons', I don't care. When someone quits because something bad happened to them & their only response is to blame everyone else & CCP, well we really don't need that type anyway. This post was lovingly crafted by a member of the Goonwaffe Posting Cabal & proud member of the popular gay hookup site, somethingawful.com |
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Sobaan Tali
Caldari Quick Reaction Force
313
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Posted - 2014.07.14 23:36:00 -
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Jenn aSide wrote:Nathaniel Raynaud wrote:also, from the persecutive of a player and not someone trying to make money off of this game, what exactly is the advantage of getting a lot of new players if most of them are going to be boring and low-quality boring, low quality, unimaginitive, whiney, entitled to things without working for them and more. Screw that, I like that EVE is a mosh pit of horrible creative people.
I'd rather ass-holes than idiots, too. At least the ass-holes know what the "f" they are doing. And Eve just seems to work better with people, ass-holes or not, who know what the "f" they are doing...who'd a thunk? |
Slade Trillgon
Brutor Force Federated
3036
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Posted - 2014.07.14 23:39:00 -
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LUMINOUS SPIRIT wrote:Mallak Azaria wrote:LUMINOUS SPIRIT wrote:New plays should not be griefed or scammed or ganked in any way, and there should be an area in EVE where it should be COMPLETELY safe for people to play. New people should have a completely safe area to play while they learn, but if you make that available for just anyone then everywhere else is going to be very quiet. And you've my point for me. If current gameplay mode is superior, then CCP has nothing to worry about. But if even a goon admits that this new safe mode proposed will be more attractive to EVERYONE, well, thats an answer in itself.
First off, EvE is a sharded single server game. It can not handle the 'masses'.
Secondly, if you need to have your hand held and want to be protected everywhere this is not the game for you, good that people find this out before they waste any time figuring it out.
P.S. I am a carebear...with teeth grrrrrrr
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Chewytowel Haklar
Dayman Industries
38
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Posted - 2014.07.14 23:41:00 -
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If the Goons invite you to join their club and then they AWOX you, yeah that is a valid excuse to leave as well. Or perhaps a valid reason to never even bother playing at all. |
Kaarous Aldurald
ROC Deep Space The ROC
7866
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Posted - 2014.07.14 23:42:00 -
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First of all, several of those reviews are from Infinity Ziona, a notorious shitbag. Also bitter about being forcibly removed from our community for being such a shitbag. So those reviews are a tad colored by the opinion of the shitbag writing them.
Secondly, if people refuse to play a game where being mean is possible, there are already plenty of MMOs to cater to their cowardice. "Verily, I have often laughed at the weaklings who thought themselves good because they had no claws."
Clean Up Local 2014.-á |
Kaarous Aldurald
ROC Deep Space The ROC
7866
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Posted - 2014.07.14 23:43:00 -
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Chewytowel Haklar wrote: If the Goons invite you to join their club and then they AWOX you, yeah that is a valid excuse to leave as well. Or perhaps a valid reason to never even bother playing at all.
If you're actually too stupid to read the page of their wiki that straight up says that they will scam you, then you wouldn't have kept playing EVE for long anyway.
Oh, and can I have your stuff? "Verily, I have often laughed at the weaklings who thought themselves good because they had no claws."
Clean Up Local 2014.-á |
Gully Alex Foyle
Black Fox Marauders Repeat 0ffenders
1254
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Posted - 2014.07.14 23:47:00 -
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Chewytowel Haklar wrote: If the Goons invite you to join their club and then they AWOX you, yeah that is a valid excuse to leave as well. Or perhaps a valid reason to never even bother playing at all.
I'm pretty sure GoonWaffe cares alot about their true new players. You simply cannot manage such a large community if everybody is just an a-hole to everybody else.
OTOH, if you get scammed because you didn't bother to read the 'how to not get scammed' instructions on their website, ... EVE Online: Death-o-meter |
Remiel Pollard
The Vigilance Institute
3909
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Posted - 2014.07.14 23:48:00 -
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Ramona McCandless wrote:EvE's reputation is one of its biggest, if not the biggest, selling point
This. Before I played EVE, I'd stumbled across comments similar to those in the OP, and they made me want to try it more. My thoughts were, "looks like some lame ducks went and got themselves a bit butthurt, this game sounds like quite the challenge." You don't scare me. I've been to Jita.
People complain about how 'empty' space is. Personally, I would be complaining if it were more 'full'.
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Jenn aSide
Smokin Aces.
7233
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Posted - 2014.07.14 23:48:00 -
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Chewytowel Haklar wrote: If the Goons invite you to join their club and then they AWOX you, yeah that is a valid excuse to leave as well. Or perhaps a valid reason to never even bother playing at all.
If anything anyone does to you in a video game can make you stop playing a video game you like, you problem is way bigger than Goons or griefing.
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Jenn aSide
Smokin Aces.
7233
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Posted - 2014.07.14 23:51:00 -
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Sobaan Tali wrote:Jenn aSide wrote:Nathaniel Raynaud wrote:also, from the persecutive of a player and not someone trying to make money off of this game, what exactly is the advantage of getting a lot of new players if most of them are going to be boring and low-quality boring, low quality, unimaginitive, whiney, entitled to things without working for them and more. Screw that, I like that EVE is a mosh pit of horrible creative people. I'd rather ass-holes than idiots, too. At least the ass-holes know what the "f" they are doing. And Eve just seems to work better with people, ass-holes or not, who know what the "f" they are doing...who'd a thunk?
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Christina Project
Deeper Feelings Inc.
293
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Posted - 2014.07.14 23:52:00 -
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The problem isn't EVEs reputation, it's the stupidity, decadence, lazyness and lack of self responsibility most people have nowadays.
That's the problem! It's funny how she changed her mains portrait,-ábecause all her alts look pretty much like her. Took her a long while to finally realize.-á(: -álol Phantomime.
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Malcolm Shinhwa
Northstar Cabal Tactical Narcotics Team
2669
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Posted - 2014.07.14 23:52:00 -
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Paranoid Loyd wrote:Unsuccessful At Everything wrote:Awwwwww damnnnn... Torch and Pitchfork Firesale!!!!!!!!!!
WTB, 1 of each please.
I'm a Level 80 Crafter of these items. I'll sell them for 10 gold each. If we're not supposed to shoot pods in hisec, why are they filled with meat? |
Remiel Pollard
The Vigilance Institute
3909
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Posted - 2014.07.14 23:53:00 -
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Also, most of the comments in the OP are based on bullshit. "This is what I think of a game that I've never played" is not a reputation, it's an uninformed opinion at best, and misinformation at worst. And it's the same for all of those comments. You don't scare me. I've been to Jita.
People complain about how 'empty' space is. Personally, I would be complaining if it were more 'full'.
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Christina Project
Deeper Feelings Inc.
293
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Posted - 2014.07.14 23:54:00 -
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Kaarous Aldurald wrote:First of all, several of those reviews are from Infinity Ziona, a notorious shitbag. Also bitter about being forcibly removed from our community for being such a shitbag. So those reviews are a tad colored by the opinion of the shitbag writing them.
Secondly, if people refuse to play a game where being mean is possible, there are already plenty of MMOs to cater to their cowardice. And who would have thought, the OP likes to wear the same glasses IZ is fond of. It's funny how she changed her mains portrait,-ábecause all her alts look pretty much like her. Took her a long while to finally realize.-á(: -álol Phantomime.
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Jonah Gravenstein
Machiavellian Space Bastards
19605
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Posted - 2014.07.14 23:54:00 -
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Chewytowel Haklar wrote: If the Goons invite you to join their club and then they AWOX you, yeah that is a valid excuse to leave as well. Or perhaps a valid reason to never even bother playing at all.
If you're dumb enough to take them up on the offer without doing any further research, especially when Goons are reputed to be utterly ruthless bastards, then you deserve everything you get.
Nil mortifi sine lucre |
Hasikan Miallok
Republic University Minmatar Republic
961
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Posted - 2014.07.14 23:55:00 -
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Gallowmere Rorschach wrote:Okay, let's be 100% honest and straightforward for a moment. As a whole, on the gameplay level, this game is ******* terrible. It's slow, it's borderline mindnumbing, it's tedious, it's skill queue online, it's got one of the most wonky and ridiculous physics engines ever conceived (though that's been getting better), it's challenge level is borderline laughable once you get past the first couple of weeks so long as you aren't doing anything stupid like trying to do L4 missions in a Burst...I'll stop there, but you get my point.
Lets compare EVE combat with something like a WWII flightsim like IL2 online.
Flightsim Your flying a simulation of a WWII German fighter with a huge learning curve because it actually IS a simulation of a historically difficult aircraft to fly. You have banked into a tight turn and as you pull back on the force feed back stick to pull the plane even tighter the stick begins to shudder as you approach stall and the wing slats bang open. You slam the Hotas throttle forward for combat power and dial in more trim as suddenly tracer appears out of nowhere missing you by inches. Your head tracker works overtime as you swing your head back and forward looking for the enemy somewhere on your tail as your wingman squadmate screams at you "try and bank left so I can get a shot at him" meanwhile your opponent finally gets in a good deflection shot and bits of your wing start peeling off and a steady stream of leaking fuel appears. panicking you kick the rudder pedals and flip inverted before pulling back in a split S barely clearing the ground before flipping up right and banking between two chimney stacks on a Russian factory. A collision will turn you into a fireball. Your opponent gets off another deflection shot and your engine splatters oil over your windscreen and develops a distinct grinding sound ....
[i}EVE Online[/i] Using drop down menus and the keyboard you lock the target and attempt to manually fly to keep your traversal up by clicking at a random spot in space. No need to worry about colliding with anything as you will just bounce off. A red bar appears on your target as you get into range and hit F1 but he gets a lock on you and red bars appear on your screen as well. Eventually one of you is destroyed and disappears.
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Paranoid Loyd
857
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Posted - 2014.07.14 23:55:00 -
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Malcolm Shinhwa wrote:Paranoid Loyd wrote:Unsuccessful At Everything wrote:Awwwwww damnnnn... Torch and Pitchfork Firesale!!!!!!!!!!
WTB, 1 of each please. I'm a Level 80 Crafter of these items. I'll sell them for 10 gold each.
Will you take isk? My boar hunting skills are sadly not up to par so I have no Gold "PvE in EVE is a trap to turn you into PvP content, don't confuse it for actual gameplay." Lipbite |
Jegrey Dozer
Ruatha Holdings
26
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Posted - 2014.07.14 23:58:00 -
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Quote:EVE is a terrible game. I've heard horror stories about it, the pretty much legalized griefing that goes on in the game and ****. Guild officers robbing entire guilds blind, forceful takeovers of guilds and draining them. ******* over new players in general. Its just **** I've heard, I've never played the game though. I probably never will, why would anyone want to experience that?
This single person's complaint is the same reason other people play and his assessment is entirely subjective. Also, EvE is not alone in that players can screw each other over. There is griefing in every game. Therefore, this critique is moot. No justification has been given as to why EvE is any different.
Quote:Eve, a great place for jerks to congregate and pretend they're good at something, when in reality the only thing they're good it is being douche bags, and having way too much time to play a video game.
This is not relevant to any productive conversation. It's just one bitter person who most likely was dissatisfied when he/she made risky choices and paid the ultimate price.
Quote:Sociopaths like E1 will always find victims because weak ones are numerous in our world.
Abusing them is never ok, even if they are willing to be abused.
CCP had to answer faster on this matter and they did not. My EVE accounts have been cancelled and I will never set foot in this universe (and I don't want to call it a game, I have too much respect for them) again. I am quite ashamed to have been blind for so long.
Enjoy your s***box. (the *** were put there by me, not by some profanity filter).
The E1 incident was dealt with professionally. Anyone who thinks otherwise lacks an understanding of the limited reach and uniformity of true justice. CCP had a decision of whether or not to ban someone for something documented by a 3rd party program. While part of the community that was outraged was asking for E1's head to be delivered on a spike, the rest of us considered how dangerous it would be if CCP decided to chuck the ban hammer at anyone who pissed off the community. Ultimately, E1 was banned and anyone who left because of CCP's slow response never understood the fundamental principles of EvE in the first place. CCP did an outstanding job of being calm and collected when passing judgment. Those are qualities much more preferable in practice compared to handing out swift death to anyone who becomes infamous.
Quote:i also grew to mistrust the company CCP and the community of this game, although im sure there were lots of decent human beings amongst them. the biggest problem i had with the community happened when i first started playing. the leader of one of the most prominent corporate alliances had shown up to a livestream drunk and called out a player by his real name and asked his followers to grief this poor, totally innocent guy. the leader said during the livestream that he wanted the player to actually commit suicide irl, and the big bad leader was marshalling his ingame forces to "make it so".
this despicable behaviour was reprimanded with a slap on the wrist, a mere 30 day suspension from their little ingame council, and as far as i know, nothing more was done.
there seemed to be a lingering resentment towards players who choose to pve or mine or whatever, and i read more than a few forum posts that were more like essays on how the elitist players are right in how they grief players who choose to mine, likening them to worse than mindless drones that deserve to die over and over. it felt like i was reading the manifesto of a sociopath, rather than a reasoned sensible opinion.
I can not defend the actions of someone who says something that awful. However, considering that I have never heard of this before and no link has been provided for proof, I can not address the hypothetical of a major alliance leader saying something of that sort. If this was actually done and CCP followed it up with a 30 day suspension, then I would not consider it a total failure as the quoted person seems to believe.
Players who spend most of their time in a massive multiplayer online game fighting computer generated opponents do not have the grounds to complain about player interaction. The game was designed to create conflict between players. Interaction between players is also what keeps the game vibrant and alive. It is only a minority of PvE players who are vilified because they do not contribute to the longevity of the game.
Quote:This isn't a game. This is a chatroom for the sociopathic basement-dwellers who use mindgames to screw over the other nutjobs
Again, this is someone who just sounds bitter. This quote does not contribute to any meaningful discussion.
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Yang Aurilen
The Mjolnir Bloc The Bloc
256
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Posted - 2014.07.15 00:00:00 -
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I never really understood this. I first heard of EVE online in 2007 during the times of BoB and Goons going at it from a webcomic forums when I was still new to the internet. I was into MMO at the times and read the lore took up a good chunk of my day it was an interesting read. Then apparently it was P2P so I couldn't play it and went on my merry way.
Over the years I've played other MMO's and all I can say it was just a massive grind solo even with guild members. Must be me but everyone I play with is not sociable and/or shitheads that will troll you. Some games even encourage botting which completely shat on the player economy. Fast forward 2013 I was playing MWO when a buddy told me about asakai. Checked the video and fell in love with what amounted as a massive escalation because DDRB derped into field. After that I did my research about EVE Online and remembered I read the EVE lore years ago.
I read about the scams, the espionage, and other stories about other players and loved it. I instantly subbed after my trial ended but found PvE to be boring so I went to FW and died alot and had lots of fun. No static content in EVE I should say not unlike other MMO's where: Go kill 200 pandas, go kill 2000 pandas, go kill OVER 9000 pandas, good here's 1 ISK because this PVE content is now obsolete from the previous patch.
In EVE the rewards actually scale up depending on how well you do so it's a good sign for me.
Eventually a buddy asked me for an MMO to play and I showed him EVE. He made a trial account and he never logged in. It must not have been his cup of tea so I never asked him again if he was still playing.
TL;DR: I'm one of the type of players that actually like EVE. My buddy did the sensible thing and quit because he didn't like it and never tried to force his views on what EVE should be to suit him. |
Unsuccessful At Everything
The Troll Bridge
15268
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Posted - 2014.07.15 00:00:00 -
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Paranoid Loyd wrote:Malcolm Shinhwa wrote:Paranoid Loyd wrote:Unsuccessful At Everything wrote:Awwwwww damnnnn... Torch and Pitchfork Firesale!!!!!!!!!!
WTB, 1 of each please. I'm a Level 80 Crafter of these items. I'll sell them for 10 gold each. Will you take isk? My boar hunting skills are sadly not up to par so I have no Gold
Why the **** would a boar have gold!?!!?! Why?!?!? Why does no one ask these questions!??!?!
People say the fluid physics in eve is ******* immersion breaking.. but not 1 damn person in WoW complains about broken immersion when a wild boar drops a ******* demon sword!!!!! Since the cessation of their usefulness is imminent, may I appropriate your belongings? |
Lothros Andastar
The Minutemen The Bastion
159
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Posted - 2014.07.15 00:02:00 -
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LUMINOUS SPIRIT wrote:All of the above is correct. If EVE wants to avoid the slow decline, it needs to introduce areas for consensual PvP (arenas-battlegrounds-whatever) and clamp down on the griefing/suicide-ganking. New plays should not be griefed or scammed or ganked in any way, and there should be an area in EVE where it should be COMPLETELY safe for people to play. Simple as that. Will it happen? No, because ~reasons~ Whatever. Theirs jobs to lose, not mine. Meh. EDIT - and why the hell aren't there normal video-tutorials? What is this, the 1990s? Instead of wasting money on flashy intros, get a nice 2-hour long video tutorial on how to actually play the game. The moment this happens, I quit for good. As would a majority of the player base I reckon. |
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