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Thorvade
The Damorian Collective
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Posted - 2014.07.15 02:38:00 -
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Ok establishing from the start that I support High sec wars and combat, IF they have a true purpose. I believe they make the game dynamic and give choices meaning and danger.
I do NOT support repetitive and pointless wars that hinder high sec corps from being able to play the game. If I mission and mine that is my choice. Getting ganked randomly is bad enough, but thats somewhat realistic. Cops are rarely around for muggings and murders. But being forced to NOT be able to play a game that we pay for is pretty ridiculous in the long run. I enjoy the space themes, I enjoy piloting spaceships, I enjoy many of the facets that EVE has to offer. But I do not enjoy sitting in a station spinning waiting for countdown timers to end. Because thats what happens mostly. Thats the best way to get war decs to end and thats BS. Paying off pirates who are harrasing you seems counter intuitive at best.
If a war has a true purpose, like territory (but thats nullsec), monetary gain (griefing for money), or even because you were slighted.
When you are repeatedly decced by 2 man corps, 1 man corps running multiple accounts, etc etc. This is nothing more than people who are looking for free kills against the squishiest targets they can find, and that wont shoot back.
Its these wars that break high sec corps, scare off new players, and generally give way to nothing more than bullying and people who get their kicks from fighting things that cant shoot back.
This is a thread for specifically and useful arguments.
And yes I might be a carebear in EVE, but Ive served in actual combat in real life so I dont want to hear insults etc etc. |
chatgris
Quantum Cats Syndicate Repeat 0ffenders
705
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Posted - 2014.07.15 02:50:00 -
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Just leave your corp, join an NPC corp and make a chat channel for your corp mates for the duration of the war. Rejoin when war is over.
Never pay a ransom - it will just flag you as someone who will pay and you'll be decced again in short order. |
Super Chair
Project Cerberus Templis CALSF
628
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Posted - 2014.07.15 03:08:00 -
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There's also plenty of dudes out there who just wanna log in and shoot stuff. You could find these people to fight for you. However sounds like you're probably against some neckbeard that just wants to shoot new players for shiny killmails when they get caught while running a mission. These players generally scout out their targets and collect intel on every potential missioner (what they fly, where they mission, their potential isk earned from loot by killing their ship, etc) in a corp prior to wardeccing them then use neutral alts to tail them whilst their main is logged off waiting to pounce once a suitable target is found. So you'll have setup a trap for them (such as using a "mission boat" with a bait tank, neuts, tackle, etc to bait out your aggressor into fighting then bring in your friends).
Add the people who wardecced you to your watchlist, look at their killboards to see any potential alts that they may have, etc and fight back (obviously not with your pimped mission ships). They'll eventually toss off once you show you have some teeth. Project Cerberus is recruiting for the US Timezone, click here |
Lychton Kondur
Brave Newbies Inc. Brave Collective
45
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Posted - 2014.07.15 03:35:00 -
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Thorvade wrote:
When you are repeatedly decced by 2 man corps, 1 man corps running multiple accounts, etc etc. This is nothing more than people who are looking for free kills against the squishiest targets they can find, and that wont shoot back.
And yes I might be a carebear in EVE, but Ive served in actual combat in real life so I dont want to hear insults etc etc.
Honestly, the best way to solidify your corp is to look at the engagement platform your enemy is using against you (via your lossmails) and developing a counter doctrine to neutralize the threat. It's good content for your members and it may get the multibox dude/dudette to back down.
Actual combat (ty for your service) doesn't translate to game mechanics. You still need to find, fix, and destroy your space enemy. |
Inxentas Ultramar
Ultramar Independent Contracting
1369
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Posted - 2014.07.15 08:56:00 -
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If it cannot defend itself against a singular pilot, the only thing that's pointless is the existance of that corporation. |
Vyktor Abyss
The Abyss Corporation Abyss Alliance
525
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Posted - 2014.07.15 09:06:00 -
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Fight back you nonce. |
Ohemgeez MyNameWontFi
Republic Military School Minmatar Republic
4
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Posted - 2014.07.15 09:32:00 -
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Thorvade wrote:
When you are repeatedly decced by 2 man corps, 1 man corps running multiple accounts, etc etc. This is nothing more than people who are looking for free kills against the squishiest targets they can find, and that wont shoot back.
this is just embarrassing dude....
corporation who can't defend themselves against, as you've said, 2-man/1-man corps, imho, needs to be wardecced as often as possible to wake the heck out of them and force them to fight. |
Ka'Narlist
Dreddit Test Alliance Please Ignore
180
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Posted - 2014.07.15 10:08:00 -
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Thorvade wrote: When you are repeatedly decced by 2 man corps, 1 man corps running multiple accounts, etc etc. This is nothing more than people who are looking for free kills against the squishiest targets they can find, and that wont shoot back.
Well if you play like a noob you should join a noob (npc) corp instead. |
Kagura Nikon
Mentally Assured Destruction The Pursuit of Happiness
1427
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Posted - 2014.07.15 10:31:00 -
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Thorvade wrote:Ok establishing from the start that I support High sec wars and combat, IF they have a true purpose. I believe they make the game dynamic and give choices meaning and danger.
I do NOT support repetitive and pointless wars that hinder high sec corps from being able to play the game. If I mission and mine that is my choice. Getting ganked randomly is bad enough, but thats somewhat realistic. Cops are rarely around for muggings and murders. But being forced to NOT be able to play a game that we pay for is pretty ridiculous in the long run. I enjoy the space themes, I enjoy piloting spaceships, I enjoy many of the facets that EVE has to offer. But I do not enjoy sitting in a station spinning waiting for countdown timers to end. Because thats what happens mostly. Thats the best way to get war decs to end and thats BS. Paying off pirates who are harrasing you seems counter intuitive at best.
If a war has a true purpose, like territory (but thats nullsec), monetary gain (griefing for money), or even because you were slighted.
When you are repeatedly decced by 2 man corps, 1 man corps running multiple accounts, etc etc. This is nothing more than people who are looking for free kills against the squishiest targets they can find, and that wont shoot back.
Its these wars that break high sec corps, scare off new players, and generally give way to nothing more than bullying and people who get their kicks from fighting things that cant shoot back.
This is a thread for specifically and useful arguments.
And yes I might be a carebear in EVE, but Ive served in actual combat in real life so I dont want to hear insults etc etc.
Someone paid me to war dec you. My monetary gain is not a real reason? I am entitled to my gameplay as much as you are to yours. You can still play the game, jsut need to be non dumb and learn to make an intel network.
And ganking is more realistic than wars? LOL.... that was a good one. Wars give you ample ground to learn how to avoid and fight back, Ganking gives you nothing.
Know one thing you can do? Hire US to hunt them. Or some other merc group that hunts targets (not the camp trade routes only type). The vast majority of people that hired us to punish offending corps are pleased... "If brute force does not solve your problem..... -áthen you are -ásurely not using enough!" |
Gully Alex Foyle
Black Fox Marauders Repeat 0ffenders
1276
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Posted - 2014.07.15 11:22:00 -
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Thorvade wrote:This is nothing more than people who are looking for free kills against the squishiest targets they can find, and that wont shoot back. This is probable. Still, there's no reason for you guys to allow them to control your playtime.
You have 3 options:
1) if you want to play EVE very casually --> do as chatgris said: drop corp, share a chat channel
2) if you want to become a good 'carebear' player --> learn to evade combat. it's extremely easy, especially if it's just one or a couple of dudes hunting you in all of EVE. change systems, watch local, watch dscan, use bookmarks (dock, undock, tacticals on gates), take advantage of acceleration gates and deadspace, etc. there's tons of material on how to do this
3) if you want to try pvp --> fight back, either alone or with help. keep your ships cheap and you'll have fun no matter the outcome
I'd personally reccomend option 3, but if you're not interested the other 2 options are fine. Just do not sit in station like a helpless moron. EVE Online: Death-o-meter |
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Intar Medris
Lords.Of.Midnight The Devil's Warrior Alliance
212
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Posted - 2014.07.15 12:48:00 -
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I will kill a carebear in honor of this post. +1 Added to the Kill-It-Forward queue. I try to be nice and mind my business just shooting lasers at rocks. There is just way too many asshats in New Eden for that to happen. |
Serendipity Lost
Repo Industries
282
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Posted - 2014.07.15 13:20:00 -
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I'll just point out one more time for the record.
EVE is a PVP game. It's not a PVE game. It's designed / coded for one player to shoot another player. If you're trying to make EVE into a PVE game - you will fail. You are paying to play a PVP game - you need to understand that.
This whole thread makes me picture some dude with a pony saddle staring at a cat and saying the cat is all messed up. |
Toshiro Hasegawa
Red Federation RvB - RED Federation
33
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Posted - 2014.07.15 13:32:00 -
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Add characters to your Contacts, add to watch list .. know when the enemy is online.
locater agents, find the characters
out of corp scout alts, find the characters, tail the characters. Watch the in gates to where you are "carebearing"
fit pvp combat ships and put them where you can quickly get at them.
fit a bit extra tank
have some of your corp stay in pvp ships while other's carebear.
disband corp .. en mass join and bigger more robust and pvp capable corp.
join a null sec corp, where there is alot less of that sort of stuff .. null is often safer than highsec ..
lots of options and tips and tricks .. History is the study of change. |
Baron' Soontir Fel
Justified Chaos
211
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Posted - 2014.07.15 15:46:00 -
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Serendipity Lost wrote:I'll just point out one more time for the record.
EVE is a PVP game. It's not a PVE game. It's designed / coded for one player to shoot another player. If you're trying to make EVE into a PVE game - you will fail. You are paying to play a PVP game - you need to understand that.
This whole thread makes me picture some dude with a pony saddle staring at a cat and saying the cat is all messed up.
Don't most of the people playing this game play it for the PvE? (IE High Sec stuff) |
Chewytowel Haklar
Dayman Industries
45
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Posted - 2014.07.15 16:51:00 -
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Quote:
Don't most of the people playing this game play it for the PvE? (IE High Sec stuff)
Kyle: Listen, and understand! That Terminator is out there! It can't be bargained with. It can't be reasoned with. It doesn't feel pity, or remorse, or fear. And it absolutely will not stop, ever, until you are dead. (http://en.wikiquote.org/wiki/The_Terminator)
This explains their mentality to the letter. Don't expect them to show kindness ever. |
Serendipity Lost
Repo Industries
283
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Posted - 2014.07.15 17:23:00 -
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Chewytowel Haklar wrote:Quote:
Don't most of the people playing this game play it for the PvE? (IE High Sec stuff)
Kyle: Listen, and understand! That Terminator is out there! It can't be bargained with. It can't be reasoned with. It doesn't feel pity, or remorse, or fear. And it absolutely will not stop, ever, until you are dead. (http://en.wikiquote.org/wiki/The_Terminator) This explains their mentality to the letter. Don't expect them to show kindness ever.
And the other side of the table is the blatant hypocracy in the OP. He just wants to play the game his way.
He is OK with wars of course. BUT ony those with a purpose. Let's examine his definition of purpose: They are OK as long as they don't get in his way. The only logical way to solve his issue is to add a step to the war dec process for his approval/sanction where he approves of a given wars purpose.
His post is soley about self interest. 200 years ago he would have been shunned and expelled from the villiage for such a crime. These days it's OK to be self involved and have no regard for others.
We can explain it to him, but we can't make him understand. |
flakeys
Caldari Provisions Caldari State
2311
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Posted - 2014.07.15 19:42:00 -
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Thorvade wrote:If a war has a true purpose, like territory (but thats nullsec), monetary gain (griefing for money), or even because you were slighted.
When you are repeatedly decced by 2 man corps, 1 man corps running multiple accounts, etc etc. This is nothing more than people who are looking for free kills against the squishiest targets they can find, and that wont shoot back.
Trying to have a good time in a game is as close to true purpose as one can get.The thing in eve is we all play for our own enjoyement and what one considers fun , the other person considers harassing/lame.We do what the game let's us do and wardecs is a part of that.
Do i find high-sec wardecs lame?Hell yeah , but it's a part of the game and i've never complained about getting wardecced in the time i lived in high-sec.You can do so many things besides ''counting the days till the dec ends'' to counter your opponent. They usually are out to get easy kills as you say so make it uneasy for them , give them a few losses.You're playing since 2009 , come on you can do better then hide in a station.
Instead of using that group booster for mining/missioning use it to boost your groups pvp fleet , get into ships wich are fast and can hit at range and start to **** with your opponent.It's a great learning pratice .
Your corp discription has 2 things wrong:
1. It shows that you are a pure Industrial corporation , so if you like to remove that big target on your head chance the corp bio.
2.It shows you're ultimate aim is to join a nullsec group , so start behaving like corp that not only belongs in a rental Alliance in null--sec but also can have some sharkteeth if needed.
We are all born ignorant, but one must work hard to remain stupid.
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Thorvade
The Damorian Collective
0
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Posted - 2014.07.15 22:30:00 -
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Yes I would like to play the game my way or at least as close as I can, just as the rest of you do. Especialy since EVE is touted as a space simulator. Thats why most of us play EVE at all. There was some grand thing or another that led us to the game and kept us playing over a few years. Forgive me for choosing to participate in something the way I choose to.
The point I was trying to raise is that all to often war decs force corps of people to play the way someone ELSE wants them to play. Eve is not a pvp or pvp game uniquely its what you choose to make of it. Most of you who run around blowing stuff up (especially those who pvp!) are supported by those who choose PVE activities.
The reason why I choose to argue about wars is all to often these wars serve no other purpose other than harrasment at its most basic form. I cannot play in a function which my character is tuned/designed for so in the end all that achieves is the removal of my playtime. Which when I pay for out of pocket, which means they are taking my money. This is not fun, and a good way to turn people off to this game entirely.
Why is it that carebears rarely engage in pvp? Many reasons exist. Hell maybe some off us just arent good at it. But, most importantly is because we choose not to. Our choice is once again punished and we are forced to play according to someone else's playstyle. So going out at shooting enemy war dec targets doesnt appeal to us. More importantly its rewarding someone else for a way of playing the game, while punishing the other. If so maybe a way to turn the tide on those corps that war dec randomly.
Give it a option of pilot license revoke and let them get stuck in station or forced to do indy/missioning. Because thats what is happening. Whats good for the goose is good fo the gander.
In the end PVE and PVP are necessary mechanics, both are needed to make the game run. Thats fine and needed for depth and interaction.
I do understand wars will happen to high sec corps. I have fought in them in the past, and I have even enjoyed it sometimes. But when they stack up at it becomes more of an grind to even log onto EVE? Thats when something is wrong.
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Gully Alex Foyle
Black Fox Marauders Repeat 0ffenders
1285
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Posted - 2014.07.15 22:56:00 -
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OP, next time please state clearly that you just want to rant cluelessly, so I won't bother to post.
Thanks. EVE Online: Death-o-meter |
drummendejef maaktnietuit
Active Fusion Cold Fusion.
5
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Posted - 2014.07.15 23:17:00 -
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Haters will hate :)
I must agree with the OPs point of view and I love the way how he explained things.
EVE is a big part PVP, true, but you have lowsec, nullsec and Wspace for that. Can't there be a liitle part of space where only ganks are a way of PVP? The wardecs fly highsec corps around their ears. If you ask the wardeccers why: "for the lols". Do we, "carebears" who don't really have PVP skills, but who like to put our training time into manufacturing and flying freighters.
That saying, everyone knows it's useless to even try to undock to start a fight with the wardeccers, who didn't train for manufacturing and flying freighters, but for T2 guns, overheating skills and T3s.
I'm not saying highsec wars should be banned. RvB is a cool way of doing it. But if you are 50% of the time wardecced..
As Thorvade said, carebears also pay for the game, and getting a guy who is too scared to go into lowsec wardeccing you, isn't fair for the people who also pay to play a game.
In the long term, the carebears are docked, manufacturing goes down (for a bit) and the wardeccers ships get more expensive. Not a big chance that they will ever notice because there are alot of newbro's who do get killed, but make EVE an easier game for them too. We all know that EVE is a hard game, don't let newbro's get wardecced in highsec and lose all the stuff they have. It's not the way you will keep them comming.
Even I am thinking of doing better things with my 15 bucks..
TL;DR Make it harder to wardec someone who doesn't want to be wardecced. |
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Rezig Huruta
Autocannons Anonymous Late Night Alliance
160
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Posted - 2014.07.15 23:47:00 -
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While I understand your frustration, everything in this game must be fought for. Yeah, people wardeccing for the 'lols' is annoying and rather juvenile. However, if you want the perks of your own corporation, you must defend it.
While that sort of hardcore feature isn't in most games, it is a pillar of EVE. You must defend your own. If you can't, or you are unwilling, changing the mechanics of that core (risk vs reward) is not the answer.
You really have a few choices as was pointed out earlier.
People suck. Gankers and lolzwarriors suck, but they are part of the game. |
Shelom Severasse
Elite Kombat Academy
17
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Posted - 2014.07.16 00:33:00 -
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Thorvade wrote:Ok establishing from the start that I support High sec wars and combat, IF they have a true purpose. I believe they make the game dynamic and give choices meaning and danger.
I do NOT support repetitive and pointless wars that hinder high sec corps from being able to play the game. If I mission and mine that is my choice. Getting ganked randomly is bad enough, but thats somewhat realistic. Cops are rarely around for muggings and murders. But being forced to NOT be able to play a game that we pay for is pretty ridiculous in the long run. I enjoy the space themes, I enjoy piloting spaceships, I enjoy many of the facets that EVE has to offer. But I do not enjoy sitting in a station spinning waiting for countdown timers to end. Because thats what happens mostly. Thats the best way to get war decs to end and thats BS. Paying off pirates who are harrasing you seems counter intuitive at best.
If a war has a true purpose, like territory (but thats nullsec), monetary gain (griefing for money), or even because you were slighted.
When you are repeatedly decced by 2 man corps, 1 man corps running multiple accounts, etc etc. This is nothing more than people who are looking for free kills against the squishiest targets they can find, and that wont shoot back.
Its these wars that break high sec corps, scare off new players, and generally give way to nothing more than bullying and people who get their kicks from fighting things that cant shoot back.
This is a thread for specifically and useful arguments.
And yes I might be a carebear in EVE, but Ive served in actual combat in real life so I dont want to hear insults etc etc. you know, there are more skills to train than just indy and mining skills right? have you looked at gunnery or missile skills with which to defend yourself? if your best attempt to defend yourself is by posting angrily on the forums, then thats just sad :| |
Inxentas Ultramar
Ultramar Independent Contracting
1382
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Posted - 2014.07.16 09:09:00 -
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Thorvade wrote:The point I was trying to raise is that all to often war decs force corps of people to play the way someone ELSE wants them to play. And that's where you are dead wrong. War decs force you to play as the developers intended. It's part of the whole package that is Eve. You are never forced into this as it is not mandatory to join a corp.
Thorvade wrote:Our choice is once again punished and we are forced to play according to someone else's playstyle. You act as if the developers actually give you a choice. This is simply not the case. You never had a choice, you are in a corporation so wardecs are a reality you deal with. You are not "forced" into anything. Stick in an NPC corp and you won't have to deal with wars.
Ohhh but then you'd have to pay 11% tax now woudn't you? You simply want all the benefits, but none of the responsibilities of being in a corporation. This isn't about forcing anyones playstyle. This is you crying about having to pay 11% tax to be safe from wardecs. |
Christine Peeveepeeski
The Imperial Fedaykin Amarrian Commandos
604
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Posted - 2014.07.16 10:26:00 -
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TBH the solution is simple, don't call them wars. Call them 'unreasoned hate agreements'. Now, when you contact concord you can state your utter hatred for some people and suddenly makes sense as they go 'sure why not pew them for absolutely no reason at all'.
Then systems fine, no need to change anything, I accept isk for ideas provided. |
Kagura Nikon
Mentally Assured Destruction The Pursuit of Happiness
1429
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Posted - 2014.07.16 10:37:00 -
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Thorvade wrote:Yes I would like to play the game my way or at least as close as I can, just as the rest of you do. Especialy since EVE is touted as a space simulator. Thats why most of us play EVE at all. There was some grand thing or another that led us to the game and kept us playing over a few years. Forgive me for choosing to participate in something the way I choose to.
The point I was trying to raise is that all to often war decs force corps of people to play the way someone ELSE wants them to play. Eve is not a pvp or pvp game uniquely its what you choose to make of it. Most of you who run around blowing stuff up (especially those who pvp!) are supported by those who choose PVE activities.
The reason why I choose to argue about wars is all to often these wars serve no other purpose other than harrasment at its most basic form. I cannot play in a function which my character is tuned/designed for so in the end all that achieves is the removal of my playtime. Which when I pay for out of pocket, which means they are taking my money. This is not fun, and a good way to turn people off to this game entirely.
Why is it that carebears rarely engage in pvp? Many reasons exist. Hell maybe some off us just arent good at it. But, most importantly is because we choose not to. Our choice is once again punished and we are forced to play according to someone else's playstyle. So going out at shooting enemy war dec targets doesnt appeal to us. More importantly its rewarding someone else for a way of playing the game, while punishing the other. If so maybe a way to turn the tide on those corps that war dec randomly.
Give it a option of pilot license revoke and let them get stuck in station or forced to do indy/missioning. Because thats what is happening. Whats good for the goose is good fo the gander.
In the end PVE and PVP are necessary mechanics, both are needed to make the game run. Thats fine and needed for depth and interaction.
I do understand wars will happen to high sec corps. I have fought in them in the past, and I have even enjoyed it sometimes. But when they stack up at it becomes more of an grind to even log onto EVE? Thats when something is wrong.
And when you want to not be shot, that means me not shooting you, you are trying to force me to play the way YOU want. The way I want to play is shooting EVERYONE that is not in my corp.
The same way I cannot get 100% of what I want, you cannot get 100% of what you want, because either of the optiosn would make the other side get 0% of what it wants. "If brute force does not solve your problem..... -áthen you are -ásurely not using enough!" |
Kagura Nikon
Mentally Assured Destruction The Pursuit of Happiness
1429
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Posted - 2014.07.16 10:42:00 -
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Shelom Severasse wrote:Thorvade wrote:Ok establishing from the start that I support High sec wars and combat, IF they have a true purpose. I believe they make the game dynamic and give choices meaning and danger.
I do NOT support repetitive and pointless wars that hinder high sec corps from being able to play the game. If I mission and mine that is my choice. Getting ganked randomly is bad enough, but thats somewhat realistic. Cops are rarely around for muggings and murders. But being forced to NOT be able to play a game that we pay for is pretty ridiculous in the long run. I enjoy the space themes, I enjoy piloting spaceships, I enjoy many of the facets that EVE has to offer. But I do not enjoy sitting in a station spinning waiting for countdown timers to end. Because thats what happens mostly. Thats the best way to get war decs to end and thats BS. Paying off pirates who are harrasing you seems counter intuitive at best.
If a war has a true purpose, like territory (but thats nullsec), monetary gain (griefing for money), or even because you were slighted.
When you are repeatedly decced by 2 man corps, 1 man corps running multiple accounts, etc etc. This is nothing more than people who are looking for free kills against the squishiest targets they can find, and that wont shoot back.
Its these wars that break high sec corps, scare off new players, and generally give way to nothing more than bullying and people who get their kicks from fighting things that cant shoot back.
This is a thread for specifically and useful arguments.
And yes I might be a carebear in EVE, but Ive served in actual combat in real life so I dont want to hear insults etc etc. you know, there are more skills to train than just indy and mining skills right? have you looked at gunnery or missile skills with which to defend yourself? if your best attempt to defend yourself is by posting angrily on the forums, then thats just sad :|
Or even better.. use your own skills to make FRIENDS, and develop a network of contacts, an intel channel. You know REALLY PLAY EVE. The main benefit is not even that you will lose less ships, it is that the game becomes hundreds of times more interesting and fun!
Any corp that basically acts as a lot of people playing solo under the same banner is fail. This is NOT a solo game, learn to play with others.
And for god sake.. get an empty clone a destroyer or t1 cruiser and TRY the pvp ( need to lose at least 5-7 ships) before you dare to say you do not like it. Most people are just frightened. But if people would not be able to overcome their fear of the unknown human race would end because no one would ever be able to ask a girl to go out for the first time on his life... because "omg.. I never did it, so I cannot do it and I am scared!!!"
"If brute force does not solve your problem..... -áthen you are -ásurely not using enough!" |
Intar Medris
Lords.Of.Midnight The Devil's Warrior Alliance
212
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Posted - 2014.07.16 11:33:00 -
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Thorvade wrote:Yes I would like to play the game my way or at least as close as I can, just as the rest of you do. Especialy since EVE is touted as a space simulator. Thats why most of us play EVE at all. There was some grand thing or another that led us to the game and kept us playing over a few years. Forgive me for choosing to participate in something the way I choose to.
The point I was trying to raise is that all to often war decs force corps of people to play the way someone ELSE wants them to play. Eve is not a pvp or pvp game uniquely its what you choose to make of it. Most of you who run around blowing stuff up (especially those who pvp!) are supported by those who choose PVE activities.
The reason why I choose to argue about wars is all to often these wars serve no other purpose other than harrasment at its most basic form. I cannot play in a function which my character is tuned/designed for so in the end all that achieves is the removal of my playtime. Which when I pay for out of pocket, which means they are taking my money. This is not fun, and a good way to turn people off to this game entirely.
Why is it that carebears rarely engage in pvp? Many reasons exist. Hell maybe some off us just arent good at it. But, most importantly is because we choose not to. Our choice is once again punished and we are forced to play according to someone else's playstyle. So going out at shooting enemy war dec targets doesnt appeal to us. More importantly its rewarding someone else for a way of playing the game, while punishing the other. If so maybe a way to turn the tide on those corps that war dec randomly.
Give it a option of pilot license revoke and let them get stuck in station or forced to do indy/missioning. Because thats what is happening. Whats good for the goose is good fo the gander.
In the end PVE and PVP are necessary mechanics, both are needed to make the game run. Thats fine and needed for depth and interaction.
I do understand wars will happen to high sec corps. I have fought in them in the past, and I have even enjoyed it sometimes. But when they stack up at it becomes more of an grind to even log onto EVE? Thats when something is wrong.
You can effectively PVP with just a bunch of frigates. Surely you and your corp mates have decent enough skills to do that. If you keep making yourself an easy target expect the corp to be wardecced to oblivion. Fight back and keep your losses low, and cause the attackers some losses you are much less likely to be wardecced in the future. Or hire a Merc group to defend you, and really give your attackers a headache which will have them running for the hills if you hire a competent group.
I try to be nice and mind my business just shooting lasers at rocks. There is just way too many asshats in New Eden for that to happen. |
Estella Osoka
Deep Void Merc Syndicate
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Posted - 2014.07.16 14:38:00 -
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If you can't defend your way of life, it will be taken from you. |
RavenPaine
RaVeN Alliance
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Posted - 2014.07.16 15:48:00 -
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This is the part where you learn how to shoot back. It's the place where your corp grows, or dies. If your members won't ever attempt to fight, your corp is doomed to die a slow and sad death.
Over 90% of EVE ships have guns on them. Should be a big clue at some point, as to what happens in the game. |
Samuel Triptee
Black Fox Marauders Repeat 0ffenders
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Posted - 2014.07.16 18:26:00 -
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So... let me get this straight...
There is a miner complaining his play style is being controlled by a WarDecker.
The Miner's solution is to control the WarDecker's play style.
Am I missing something?
Miner's are very fortunate I didn't design the asteroid fields... they would be more dangerous to fly around than level 4 missions. Those big rocks would be randomly moving and would cause damage if they made contact. Nasty place to go to work. |
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