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Alexander Eisenhower
The Scope Gallente Federation
25
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Posted - 2014.07.15 10:45:00 -
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This is actually a 2 part questions. First, whats the best defense against the serpentis sensor dampening. I finally finished Blockade last nite but it took a ridiculous amount of time. My drones continue to fire of coarse but they target the large ships instead of the frigates that are closing fast. Once the frigates get close I cant hit them of coarse. So i warp out, dock up to recharge shield and try again with a different angle.
Second, whats the best Sentry Domi build for these missions?
Thanks and fly safe! |
Elmonky
Titans of The Short Bus Universal Consortium
75
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Posted - 2014.07.15 10:59:00 -
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Personally in my Sentry Domi I carry a flight of Hobo II's to deal with frigates.
3x DLA in High Omni Link and MJD, SeBo with Targetting script in mids Tanks and DDA in lows
I opersonally use wardens for range, but I know a lot of people use Gardes for the tracking.
TBH if you are using any sort sentries at 100km + micro manage your drones and punch the frigates out first. Even Warden I's should alpha most frigates in level 4's |
Sara Tosa
School of Applied Knowledge Caldari State
14
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Posted - 2014.07.15 11:03:00 -
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Alexander Eisenhower wrote:This is actually a 2 part questions. First, whats the best defense against the serpentis sensor dampening. I finally finished Blockade last nite but it took a ridiculous amount of time. My drones continue to fire of coarse but they target the large ships instead of the frigates that are closing fast. Once the frigates get close I cant hit them of coarse. So i warp out, dock up to recharge shield and try again with a different angle.
Second, whats the best Sentry Domi build for these missions?
Thanks and fly safe! microjump drive and a couple of drone range mods, once you are at 100km you can alpha frigates/dest and two-three shot cruisers/bc with your sentries while they are mwd to you (so tracking assured), then move to bs. as serpentis bs are blaster fit, you basically wont need tank or nearly so. while there are ships with a lot more dps serpentis with microjumpdomi is basically eazymode. |
Elmonky
Titans of The Short Bus Universal Consortium
76
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Posted - 2014.07.15 12:29:00 -
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Another tip would be to drop your MTU at the warp in spot... MJD in the opposite direction to the NPC, and then when they are all dead, align to the MTU and MJD back to it |
Sara Tosa
School of Applied Knowledge Caldari State
14
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Posted - 2014.07.15 12:41:00 -
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Elmonky wrote:Another tip would be to drop your MTU at the warp in spot... MJD in the opposite direction to the NPC, and then when they are all dead, align to the MTU and MJD back to it and keep a yurt and an afterburner/mwd in your cargo so you can switch for the missions where its required to slowboat to the accel gate. |
Nalelmir Ahashion
Omegon 42nd Core
492
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Posted - 2014.07.15 13:02:00 -
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Good practice with any pve mission is long long range weapons and kill EWAR ships first.
or get a marauder with bastion. "What's worse than a foul-mouthed eight-year-old constantly claiming he's had relations with your mother? A foul-mouthed eight-year-old constantly claiming he's had relations with your mother who thinks he's a gangser, that's what." --áAaron Birch |
Lantro
Sebiestor Tribe Minmatar Republic
11
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Posted - 2014.07.15 13:05:00 -
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There is no way to defend against NPC EWar, except Bastion, which is a Marauder only toy. But with Sniper Sentries you can do this mission faster, than with most other BS, since everything you order your drones to attack will be killed, even if you loose the Targetlock. Only tip here is to focus on the dampening cruisers first. |
Alexander Eisenhower
The Scope Gallente Federation
25
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Posted - 2014.07.15 13:39:00 -
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Lantro wrote:There is no way to defend against NPC EWar, except Bastion, which is a Marauder only toy. But with Sniper Sentries you can do this mission faster, than with most other BS, since everything you order your drones to attack will be killed, even if you loose the Targetlock. Only tip here is to focus on the dampening cruisers first.
Thanks, so keep range and hope for the best! lol
All good tips, thanks! |
Estella Osoka
Deep Void Merc Syndicate
413
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Posted - 2014.07.15 15:00:00 -
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The only thing that counters sensor damping is sensor boosters. |
Jeanne-Luise Argenau
Suddenly Frigates Reconstructed Criticism
122
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Posted - 2014.07.15 18:02:00 -
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maybe stay outside their sensor damp range and always kill elite cruisers first as they r the annoying damps. Else u will need a bastioned marauder to fight the damps efficiently |
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Ireland VonVicious
Vicious Trading Company
328
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Posted - 2014.07.15 20:41:00 -
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Lantro wrote:There is no way to defend against NPC EWar, except Bastion, which is a Marauder only toy. But with Sniper Sentries you can do this mission faster, than with most other BS, since everything you order your drones to attack will be killed, even if you loose the Targetlock. Only tip here is to focus on the dampening cruisers first.
F.O.F. Missiles.
RS can use sentries on aggressive with them and no **** will be given to any type of EWAR. |
Caleidascope
Republic Military School Minmatar Republic
526
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Posted - 2014.07.15 21:14:00 -
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Auto targeting missiles. Warp in, get agro, turn on the launchers, everything dies.
Also they usually have more range than your ship targeting range, works great with LMJD.
Example 1. Typhoon. Ship targeting range: 81 km. Auto targeting cruise missile range: 148 km. So the rats might be 140 km away, I kill them anyway.
Example 2. Raven. Ship targeting range: 93 km. Auto targeting cruise missile range: 228 km. The rats might be 200 km away, don't matter, I don't need to lock them, as long as I have agro the auto targeting cruise missiles will kill them. Life is short and dinner time is chancy Eat dessert first! |
IIshira
School of Applied Knowledge Caldari State
1018
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Posted - 2014.07.15 21:41:00 -
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Lantro wrote:There is no way to defend against NPC EWar, except Bastion, which is a Marauder only toy. This is not exactly true. Tracking disruption and neuting can be mitigated with range. I don't think it makes a difference with jamming or sensor dampening though. |
Goldiiee
Bureau of Astronomical Anomalies
1124
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Posted - 2014.07.15 22:41:00 -
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While all of the previous advice works I find a MWD and motoring towards each spawn worked well, the BC spawn will drop you down to 17km Targeting range, and a 30sec lock time but once your on top of them they melt really fast.
Sitting and waiting for all three bracketed spawns to close on you and get to optimal while waiting for drones to kill the right rat is a bad idea especially in that mission. So drop a Depot with some Long guns in it, and warp in with Short guns. The first spawn is right up close and easy enough to kill but make sure you kill the web tower before the trigger BS. Then like I said motor towards the BC spawn and kill them, they are the dampening. After their dead head to the Depot and switch to long guns to kill the spawns that are still out at 60+km. Prepare for the next spawn with the dampening frigs and pop them as quickly as possible, failing at that switch back to your short guns and repeat.
Or alternatively, take a friend with a similar setup, when he has agro you kill the damps, when you have agro he kills the damps.
Things that keep me up at night;-á Why do we use a voice communication device to send telegraphs? Moore's Law should state,-áOnce you have paid off the last PC upgrade you will need another. |
Hasikan Miallok
Republic University Minmatar Republic
971
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Posted - 2014.07.16 01:47:00 -
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IIshira wrote:Lantro wrote:There is no way to defend against NPC EWar, except Bastion, which is a Marauder only toy. This is not exactly true. Tracking disruption and neuting can be mitigated with range. I don't think it makes a difference with jamming or sensor dampening though.
I had the impression with a Domi that Magnetometric Sensor Compensation helped, even against rats. |
IIshira
School of Applied Knowledge Caldari State
1018
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Posted - 2014.07.16 01:51:00 -
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Hasikan Miallok wrote:IIshira wrote:Lantro wrote:There is no way to defend against NPC EWar, except Bastion, which is a Marauder only toy. This is not exactly true. Tracking disruption and neuting can be mitigated with range. I don't think it makes a difference with jamming or sensor dampening though. I had the impression with a Domi that Magnetometric Sensor Compensation helped, even against rats. That's a good question. I do know the mid slot modules help so that skill should too. |
Abrazzar
Vardaugas Family
4094
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Posted - 2014.07.16 14:51:00 -
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I found out with a tracking computer on my Hyperion and manoeuvring to mitigate transversal, I could even hit those tight orbiting damping cruisers with rails. Sovereignty and Population New Mining Mechanics |
Moor Deybe
Lom Corporation Brothers of Tangra
29
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Posted - 2014.07.16 15:39:00 -
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Alexander Eisenhower wrote:... My drones continue to fire of coarse but they target the large ships instead of the frigates that are closing fast. Once the frigates get close I cant hit them of coarse. So i warp out, dock up to recharge shield and try again with a different angle. ... This reads like you're putting the drones on aggressive and letting them select their own target. To select the target that you want, i.e. the frigates first, just lock them up, click on the target that you want the drones to fire at, and press F.
I'm assuming you're using a Dominix and sentries, so if any frigates do get close to you, shift-R to recall the sentries, deploy a flight of Hobgoblins, kill the frigates orbiting you, shift-R to recall the Hobgoblins and deploy the sentries again.
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Alexander Eisenhower
The Scope Gallente Federation
25
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Posted - 2014.07.16 16:24:00 -
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Moor Deybe wrote:Alexander Eisenhower wrote:... My drones continue to fire of coarse but they target the large ships instead of the frigates that are closing fast. Once the frigates get close I cant hit them of coarse. So i warp out, dock up to recharge shield and try again with a different angle. ... This reads like you're putting the drones on aggressive and letting them select their own target. To select the target that you want, i.e. the frigates first, just lock them up, click on the target that you want the drones to fire at, and press F. I'm assuming you're using a Dominix and sentries, so if any frigates do get close to you, shift-R to recall the sentries, deploy a flight of Hobgoblins, kill the frigates orbiting you, shift-R to recall the Hobgoblins and deploy the sentries again.
Thats all well and good until your damped to like 17km
I have increased my range to 150km and havent had much issue since. But I have not rolled Blockade again yet either.
As long as I can lock em up, nothing gets close enough to hit me except Caldari Missle Boats. |
Alexander Eisenhower
The Scope Gallente Federation
25
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Posted - 2014.07.18 16:40:00 -
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Caleidascope wrote:Auto targeting missiles. Warp in, get agro, turn on the launchers, everything dies.
Also they usually have more range than your ship targeting range, works great with LMJD.
Example 1. Typhoon. Ship targeting range: 81 km. Auto targeting cruise missile range: 148 km. So the rats might be 140 km away, I kill them anyway.
Example 2. Raven. Ship targeting range: 93 km. Auto targeting cruise missile range: 228 km. The rats might be 200 km away, don't matter, I don't need to lock them, as long as I have agro the auto targeting cruise missiles will kill them.
A very very good reason to train for torps :) Thanks |
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Caleidascope
Republic Military School Minmatar Republic
527
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Posted - 2014.07.18 17:30:00 -
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Alexander Eisenhower wrote:Caleidascope wrote:Auto targeting missiles. Warp in, get agro, turn on the launchers, everything dies.
Also they usually have more range than your ship targeting range, works great with LMJD.
Example 1. Typhoon. Ship targeting range: 81 km. Auto targeting cruise missile range: 148 km. So the rats might be 140 km away, I kill them anyway.
Example 2. Raven. Ship targeting range: 93 km. Auto targeting cruise missile range: 228 km. The rats might be 200 km away, don't matter, I don't need to lock them, as long as I have agro the auto targeting cruise missiles will kill them. A very very good reason to train for torps :) Thanks Eh? You lost me at torps. Life is short and dinner time is chancy Eat dessert first! |
hmskrecik
LOST IDEA C0VEN
211
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Posted - 2014.07.19 09:56:00 -
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Estella Osoka wrote:The only thing that counters sensor damping is sensor boosters. Sorry to break it for you but they don't. Not in PvE. Once I have attempted said Blockade with double scripted SeBos, got capped at 250km range and when the second wave hit I was still reduced to 20-ish km.
So no, Bastion or GTFOMJD. |
Alexander Eisenhower
The Scope Gallente Federation
25
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Posted - 2014.07.19 10:42:00 -
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Caleidascope wrote:Alexander Eisenhower wrote:Caleidascope wrote:Auto targeting missiles. Warp in, get agro, turn on the launchers, everything dies.
Also they usually have more range than your ship targeting range, works great with LMJD.
Example 1. Typhoon. Ship targeting range: 81 km. Auto targeting cruise missile range: 148 km. So the rats might be 140 km away, I kill them anyway.
Example 2. Raven. Ship targeting range: 93 km. Auto targeting cruise missile range: 228 km. The rats might be 200 km away, don't matter, I don't need to lock them, as long as I have agro the auto targeting cruise missiles will kill them. A very very good reason to train for torps :) Thanks Eh? You lost me at torps.
Sorry, cruise missles, Im not very familiar with projectiles yet. Never liked them much, especially at long range, it takes so long to hit target, lol. |
Hasikan Miallok
Republic University Minmatar Republic
980
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Posted - 2014.07.19 10:52:00 -
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Alexander Eisenhower wrote:Caleidascope wrote:Alexander Eisenhower wrote:Caleidascope wrote:Auto targeting missiles. Warp in, get agro, turn on the launchers, everything dies.
Also they usually have more range than your ship targeting range, works great with LMJD.
Example 1. Typhoon. Ship targeting range: 81 km. Auto targeting cruise missile range: 148 km. So the rats might be 140 km away, I kill them anyway.
Example 2. Raven. Ship targeting range: 93 km. Auto targeting cruise missile range: 228 km. The rats might be 200 km away, don't matter, I don't need to lock them, as long as I have agro the auto targeting cruise missiles will kill them. A very very good reason to train for torps :) Thanks Eh? You lost me at torps. Sorry, cruise missles, Im not very familiar with projectiles yet. Never liked them much, especially at long range, it takes so long to hit target, lol.
ummh ... projectles are either autocannon or artillery. Cruise Missiles are missiles.
But we know what you meant :D
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Alexander Eisenhower
The Scope Gallente Federation
25
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Posted - 2014.07.19 10:59:00 -
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Hasikan Miallok wrote:Alexander Eisenhower wrote:Caleidascope wrote:Alexander Eisenhower wrote:Caleidascope wrote:Auto targeting missiles. Warp in, get agro, turn on the launchers, everything dies.
Also they usually have more range than your ship targeting range, works great with LMJD.
Example 1. Typhoon. Ship targeting range: 81 km. Auto targeting cruise missile range: 148 km. So the rats might be 140 km away, I kill them anyway.
Example 2. Raven. Ship targeting range: 93 km. Auto targeting cruise missile range: 228 km. The rats might be 200 km away, don't matter, I don't need to lock them, as long as I have agro the auto targeting cruise missiles will kill them. A very very good reason to train for torps :) Thanks Eh? You lost me at torps. Sorry, cruise missles, Im not very familiar with projectiles yet. Never liked them much, especially at long range, it takes so long to hit target, lol. ummh ... projectles are either autocannon or artillery. Cruise Missiles are missiles. But we know what you meant :D
LOL! thats what i get for pre-coffee posting |
Kitty Bear
Disturbed Friends Of Diazepam Disturbed Acquaintance
1369
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Posted - 2014.07.19 17:40:00 -
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Estella Osoka wrote:The only thing that counters sensor damping is sensor boosters.
sadly NPC's hack and have super ewar
there's the 'newish' targeting skills, that give a tiny boost to your sensor strength. not really much help against npc's though |
Nalelmir Ahashion
Omegon 42nd Core
532
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Posted - 2014.07.20 08:45:00 -
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yup.... Rats EWAR is stupidly impossible to resist so far from my attempts. the solution for me was more ganky fit and kill e'm fasta. "What's worse than a foul-mouthed eight-year-old constantly claiming he's had relations with your mother? A foul-mouthed eight-year-old constantly claiming he's had relations with your mother who thinks he's a gangser, that's what." --áAaron Birch |
Hakaari Inkuran
State War Academy Caldari State
135
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Posted - 2014.07.20 14:42:00 -
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Nalelmir Ahashion wrote:yup.... Rats EWAR is stupidly impossible to resist so far from my attempts. the solution for me was more ganky fit and kill e'm fasta. Even with a ECCM I still found my nightmare being jammed 3 times in a single Dread Pirate mission. But I think its sort of fair because even with tracking computers, a couple rat TD's will put you squarely into falloff. And even with a sensor booster, a few damps will force you to move in closer than you normally would feel like doing.
This lets marauders have their time in the spotlight. |
IIshira
School of Applied Knowledge Caldari State
1026
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Posted - 2014.07.20 14:45:00 -
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Nalelmir Ahashion wrote:yup.... Rats EWAR is stupidly impossible to resist so far from my attempts. the solution for me was more ganky fit and kill e'm fasta. Definitely agree that more gank than tank is the way to go with most missions that have EWAR. Even for missions without EWAR it's best. |
erg cz
Sliperer
89
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Posted - 2014.07.21 08:43:00 -
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Serpentis blockade means 4+ elite cruiser dumping you to 12 km range even with sensor booster. They have high resists, so it realy takes time to kill them even if you are in range and have blaster fitted Hyperion. I like how local bad asses often boasting about blitzing L4 missions, but not all missions are like "Recon" or "Dread pirate Scarlet". Try to blitz "Angel Extravaganza" or this serpentis blockade under 15 minutes with T1 munition, than post your video on youtube. That would really help. |
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