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Sexy Cakes
Have A Seat
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Posted - 2014.07.15 14:48:00 -
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Jenn aSide wrote: I accept your surrender and rename you France.
More seriously, it's not may fault that blunt truth hurts you, you should have used what I was telling you as a reason to rethink, but of course it's easier to blame others for you own faults, ain't it?
Like I said its not worth arguing with you. What you say doesn't hurt me I just find it to usually be out of left field and not worth reading. Not today spaghetti. |
Ralph King-Griffin
Lords.Of.Midnight The Devil's Warrior Alliance
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Posted - 2014.07.15 14:49:00 -
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Anything facilitated by eves existence that otherwise wouldn't have been as it currently is could be considered content , including this conversation for example. "Confirming EVE is hot, batshit crazy, and puts out." -Omar Alharazaad "CAKE CANNOT HOLD UP TO BEING A CHARACTER DAMNIT." --áUnsuccessful At Everything |
Christina Project
Deeper Feelings Inc.
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Posted - 2014.07.15 14:54:00 -
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Quinn Corvez wrote:Christina Project wrote:Quinn Corvez wrote:Caviar Liberta wrote:
PvP is non developer created content.
PVP is not content, it is an interaction between players. And interaction is content, no matter how hard you try not to understand this. show me in a dictionary where content is defined as interaction. Are apples oranges also? Please provide practical evidence that interaction is not content. I can provide tons of evidence that it is, while you are completely unable to prove the contrary.
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Quinn Corvez
Probe Patrol Ixtab.
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Posted - 2014.07.15 14:54:00 -
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confirming local spam is content and not the process of typing an reading... Jesus gus at this point you may aswll just thay every thing that ever existed is henceforth to be know as content... "I went to the content to get some content and one the way content punched me in the content".
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Christina Project
Deeper Feelings Inc.
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Posted - 2014.07.15 14:55:00 -
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Ralph King-Griffin wrote:Anything facilitated by eves existence that otherwise wouldn't have been as it currently is could be considered content , including this conversation for example. Exactly. For EVE and Life in general. - When there's a mew, there's a way! - |
Christina Project
Deeper Feelings Inc.
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Posted - 2014.07.15 14:56:00 -
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Quinn Corvez wrote:confirming local spam is content and not the process of typing an reading... Jesus gus at this point you may aswll just thay every thing that ever existed is henceforth to be know as content... "I went to the content to get some content and one the way content punched me in the content". I like this thread and everyone in it It is. You just don't get it. Too stuck in your narrow understanding of Life in general. You probably believe your existence has no influence on others too, hu? - When there's a mew, there's a way! - |
Jenn aSide
Smokin Aces.
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Posted - 2014.07.15 14:57:00 -
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Sexy Cakes wrote:or CCP to change content in regards to PvP other than what their doing now by rebalancing ships and rules of engagement.
PvE changes drive PvP oreinted conflicts.
Yea, that sure did work well for them in the past. This change was supposed to make conflict, it only made longer high sec incursion wait lists.
Would you like to name an actual PvE change that drove a pvp conflict of some kind. That doesn't happen, where as in reality, changing pve and background 'content' tends to dampen pvp.
-Another example is the moon goo nerf that was supposed to even things out and create conflict but that instead created RENTISTAN.
-or the introduction and rebalancing of 'rewards' in FW that created "Farmmatar" (there were no such silly rewards when I was 1st in FW).
-Or the original introduction of lvl 5s in low sec (marred by the high sec lvl 5 bug) that was supposed to drive conflict (by giving people a reason to leave high sec and go to low) that ended up being almost exclusivly a source of income for pirates who already lived in low sec.
Seems you haven't learned the lesson.....that CCP still hasn't learned because they are still stuffing pve rewards in low sec lol.
PvE doesn't drive PvP content in EVE, mainly because there are other PvE activities that pay isk with little risk (high sec missions, incursions ect ect) and also because groups can easily control the non-high sec space where those pve activities exist (such as sov null and priates around lvl 5 hubs), also such as how those guys locked down a whole constellation to farm FW LP when the now faction ships were introduced and made obscene isk.
In other words, what you believe about PVE affecting PVP is exactly backwards. |
Tippia
Sunshine and Lollipops
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Posted - 2014.07.15 15:00:00 -
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Sexy Cakes wrote:Always with the 'themepark' comeback. For someone that uses the word narrow a lot to describe other people's points of view you sure don't offer much depth in your discussions. I use the themepark comparison because you're making a themepark complaint. This is not a matter of depth, but of rough categorisation. You want more stuff to consume (which is the defining characteristic of a themepark game), rather than more stuff to do, even if you have to invent it yourself (which rather defines the sandbox).
Quote:The reason I only mention PvE interactions is because I would think it would be hard for CCP to change content in regards to PvP other than what their doing now by rebalancing ships and rules of engagement. Then you pretty clearly accept that there is indeed a metric fsckton of content that CCP has no hand in creating.
Quinn Corvez wrote:Christina Project wrote:And interaction is content, no matter how hard you try not to understand this. show me in a dictionary where content is defined as interaction. content 2 |-êk+Ænt+¢nt|
noun (also contents) the things that are held or included in something: she unscrewed the top of the flask and drank the contents.
GÇó [ in sing. ] [ with modifier ] the amount of a particular constituent occurring in a substance: soya milk has a low fat content. GÇó (contents) a list of the chapters or sections given at the front of a book or periodical: [ as modifier ] : the contents page. GÇó [ mass noun ] the material dealt with in a speech, literary work, etc. as distinct from its form or style: the tone, if not the content, of his book is familiar. GÇó information made available by a website or other electronic medium: [ as modifier ] : online content providers.
Nothing there about interactions being disqualified form being content. If interactions are included in something, why would they not count as content in that something? In fact, usage 3 seems rather applicable here: the content of a game is distinct from its mechanisms and presentation.
After all, there is content and there is content. What is the content of a game of chess? Is it the board and the pieces? Not really GÇö those are the contents of the box the chess game came in. The content of an actual game of chess is the moves, the board states, the strategies involved in reaching the end. Oh, and by the way, apples and oranges are pretty much the same thing. GÇ£If you're not willing to fight for what you have in GëívGëí you don't deserve it, and you will lose it.GÇ¥
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Jenn aSide
Smokin Aces.
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Posted - 2014.07.15 15:01:00 -
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Sexy Cakes wrote:Jenn aSide wrote: I accept your surrender and rename you France.
More seriously, it's not may fault that blunt truth hurts you, you should have used what I was telling you as a reason to rethink, but of course it's easier to blame others for you own faults, ain't it?
Like I said its not worth arguing with you. What you say doesn't hurt me I just find it to usually be out of left field and not worth reading.
What academy did you graduate from, 'cause you sure are good at the Cop out lol.
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Quinn Corvez
Probe Patrol Ixtab.
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Posted - 2014.07.15 15:01:00 -
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Christina Project wrote:Quinn Corvez wrote:Christina Project wrote:Quinn Corvez wrote:Caviar Liberta wrote:
PvP is non developer created content.
PVP is not content, it is an interaction between players. And interaction is content, no matter how hard you try not to understand this. show me in a dictionary where content is defined as interaction. Are apples oranges also? Please provide practical evidence that interaction is not content. I can provide tons of evidence that it is, while you are completely unable to prove the contrary. All you need to do is come to Hek when I am around.
My point is that there is already a word/term for interaction and guess what that is? no not content... Interaction!
This thread is asking what people mean when they say content. I can only speak for myself but when i say content, i mean the stuff ccp puts in the game. Everything the players do is just the players playing the game.
question: when people say "ccp should add new content" what do you think they mean?
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Sibyyl
Gallente Federation
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Posted - 2014.07.15 15:04:00 -
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Anything that makes somebody (read: not everybody) happy in EVE is content. .. when everything else is gone .. |
Christina Project
Deeper Feelings Inc.
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Posted - 2014.07.15 15:05:00 -
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Jenn aSide wrote:Sexy Cakes wrote:Jenn aSide wrote: I accept your surrender and rename you France.
More seriously, it's not may fault that blunt truth hurts you, you should have used what I was telling you as a reason to rethink, but of course it's easier to blame others for you own faults, ain't it?
Like I said its not worth arguing with you. What you say doesn't hurt me I just find it to usually be out of left field and not worth reading. What academy did you graduate from, 'cause you sure are good at the Cop out lol. Damn i loved Police Academy! Still want to play part one from the old times on PC. - When there's a mew, there's a way! - |
Quinn Corvez
Probe Patrol Ixtab.
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Posted - 2014.07.15 15:07:00 -
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Tippia wrote:Quinn Corvez wrote:Christina Project wrote:And interaction is content, no matter how hard you try not to understand this. show me in a dictionary where content is defined as interaction. content 2 |-êk+Ænt+¢nt| noun (also contents) the things that are held or included in something: she unscrewed the top of the flask and drank the contents. GÇó [ in sing. ] [ with modifier ] the amount of a particular constituent occurring in a substance: soya milk has a low fat content. GÇó ( contents) a list of the chapters or sections given at the front of a book or periodical: [ as modifier ] : the contents page. GÇó [ mass noun ] the material dealt with in a speech, literary work, etc. as distinct from its form or style: the tone, if not the content, of his book is familiar. GÇó information made available by a website or other electronic medium: [ as modifier ] : online content providers. Nothing there about interactions being disqualified form being content. If interactions are included in something, why would they not count as content in that something? In fact, usage 3 seems rather applicable here: the content of a game is distinct from its mechanisms and presentation.
So let me get this straight...unless the dictionary specifically disqualifies something, it can be considered to be that thing? It doesn't mention genocide but i'm fairly certain mass murder isn't content either. |
Sexy Cakes
Have A Seat
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Posted - 2014.07.15 15:11:00 -
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Jenn aSide wrote:Would you like to name an actual PvE change that drove a pvp conflict of some kind. That doesn't happen, where as in reality, changing pve and background 'content' tends to dampen pvp.
Any wormhole would be an example. When wormholes got figured out plenty of groups started heading into them and evicting other people so that they could print ISK and plenty of people still do.
Jenn aSide wrote: -Another example is the moon goo nerf that was supposed to even things out and create conflict but that instead created RENTISTAN.
It started the fountain war. Not to get off subject but what's wrong with people renting? Players who want to be in nullsec but don't like PvP or taking orders from a 'godfather' get to have all the fun they want for a small percentage of what they generate. How does it hurt you in any way?
Jenn aSide wrote: -or the introduction and rebalancing of 'rewards' in FW that created "Farmmatar" (there were no such silly rewards when I was 1st in FW).
Sounds like you are describing more of a tweak to existing mechanics which really wouldn't drive much player interaction.
Jenn aSide wrote: -Or the original introduction of lvl 5s in low sec (marred by the high sec lvl 5 bug) that was supposed to drive conflict (by giving people a reason to leave high sec and go to low) that ended up being almost exclusivly a source of income for pirates who already lived in low sec.
Plenty of lowsec entities move around like nomads and take into account where the nearest level 5 agent is for funding their PvP.
Jenn aSide wrote: Seems you haven't learned the lesson.....that CCP still hasn't learned because they are still stuffing pve rewards in low sec lol. PvE doesn't drive PvP content in EVE, mainly because there are other PvE activities that pay isk with little risk (high sec missions, incursions ect ect) and also because groups can easily control the non-high sec space where those pve activities exist, such as how those guys locked down a whole constellation to farm FW LP when the now faction ships were introduced.
In other words, what you believe about PVE affecting PVP is exactly backwards.
Sounds to me like CCP has the right idea, they just need to get back to it. It's not about their being equal/better isk making activities in safer parts of space. The discussion I was touching on was about having new things to do, isk or no isk. Not today spaghetti. |
Kotch 247
Astoria Ventures
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Posted - 2014.07.15 15:18:00 -
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I wouldn't describe the activities made possible by the tools given to you in a sandbox as content. That's like saying a box of Lego has content. It has possibilities, not content. Content is created when players realise those possibilities. I guess you have to make the distinction between developer-created and player-created content. |
Quinn Corvez
Probe Patrol Ixtab.
246
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Posted - 2014.07.15 15:20:00 -
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Christina Project wrote:Quinn Corvez wrote:confirming local spam is content and not the process of typing an reading... Jesus gus at this point you may aswll just thay every thing that ever existed is henceforth to be know as content... "I went to the content to get some content and one the way content punched me in the content". I like this thread and everyone in it It is. You just don't get it. Too stuck in your narrow understanding of Life in general. You probably believe your existence has no influence on others too, hu?
Instead of trying to insult people by suggesting they don't "get life" could you answer this:
Quinn Corvez wrote: when people say "ccp should add new content" what do you think they mean?
Do you think they just want a CCP dev to trash talk in local. |
Sexy Cakes
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Posted - 2014.07.15 15:22:00 -
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Tippia wrote:Sexy Cakes wrote:The reason I only mention PvE interactions is because I would think it would be hard for CCP to change content in regards to PvP other than what their doing now by rebalancing ships and rules of engagement. Then you pretty clearly accept that there is indeed a metric fsckton of content that CCP has no hand in creating.
I clearly illustrated that I don't categorize that as content. Not today spaghetti. |
Tippia
Sunshine and Lollipops
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Posted - 2014.07.15 15:22:00 -
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Quinn Corvez wrote:So let me get this straight...unless the dictionary specifically disqualifies something, it can be considered to be that thing? If it matches the description, then yes. As it happens, interaction fits the description just fine and isn't disqualified by any part of it. The problem here is really that you're asking for a definition by a single word rather than a general description. That's not really how dictionaries work; they're not a list of all things that mean the same thing GÇö that's more the job of a thesaurus.
But hey, let's do that too:
content 2 |(stress on the first syllable)| noun 1 many restaurant meals are low in fibre content: amount, proportion, quantity, bulk, total, quota; rare quantum. 2 just as the novel's form is radical, so too is its content: subject matter, subject, theme, burden, gist, argument, thesis, message, point, thrust, substance, matter, material, text, ideas GÇö antonyms: style. 3 (contents) she went to examine the contents of the hamper: things inside, content, load GÇö informal: guts, innards. 4 (contents) the book's list of contents | he picked up the letter and scanned its contents: chapters, sections, divisions; subject matter, subjects, themes, matter, substance, material, text; index; constituents, components, ingredients, elements, items.
Does interaction count as a theme, point, (subject) matter, or substance of EVE? Is it part of the game's GÇ£innardsGÇ¥ or components or elements? Sure does and sure is. GÇ£If you're not willing to fight for what you have in GëívGëí you don't deserve it, and you will lose it.GÇ¥
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Quinn Corvez
Probe Patrol Ixtab.
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Posted - 2014.07.15 15:23:00 -
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Kotch 247 wrote:I wouldn't describe the activities made possible by the tools given to you in a sandbox as content. That's like saying a box of Lego has content. It has possibilities, not content. Content is created when players realise those possibilities. I guess you have to make the distinction between developer-created and player-created content.
Nailed it.
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Christina Project
Deeper Feelings Inc.
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Posted - 2014.07.15 15:23:00 -
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Quote:My point is that there is already a word/term for interaction and guess what that is? no not content... Interaction!
This thread is asking what people mean when they say content. I can only speak for myself but when i say content, i mean the stuff ccp puts in the game. Everything the players do is just the players playing the game.
question: when people say "ccp should add new content" what do you think they mean?
What I think is irrelevant. What counts is what's happening. Opinions usually just screw up observation, because factual reality is put through a stupid filter most call "I".
Most people who whine for new content are consumers. They have a screwed understanding of content because of all the consumption. People nowadays are used to content as something that is being consumed.
So when you ask what people seem to want, then the answer would be: "a consumeable good". Does that mean they understand what content means? No.
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Christina Project
Deeper Feelings Inc.
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Posted - 2014.07.15 15:27:00 -
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Quinn Corvez wrote:Christina Project wrote:Quinn Corvez wrote:confirming local spam is content and not the process of typing an reading... Jesus gus at this point you may aswll just thay every thing that ever existed is henceforth to be know as content... "I went to the content to get some content and one the way content punched me in the content". I like this thread and everyone in it It is. You just don't get it. Too stuck in your narrow understanding of Life in general. You probably believe your existence has no influence on others too, hu? Instead of trying to insult people by suggesting they don't "get life" could you answer this: Quinn Corvez wrote: when people say "ccp should add new content" what do you think they mean?
Do you think they just want a CCP dev to trash talk in local. If you show that you do not "get life", then I will tell you that you do not "get life". If telling you insults you, that's your own problem. There was nothing insulting at all, you just can't accept the fact that you don't "get" it. - When there's a mew, there's a way! - |
Tippia
Sunshine and Lollipops
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Posted - 2014.07.15 15:28:00 -
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Quinn Corvez wrote:My point is that there is already a word/term for interaction and guess what that is? no not content... Interaction! GǪwhich doesn't in any way preclude interaction from being content.
There is already a word for banana, and guess what it is? Banana, not berryGǪ or fruit. And yet, bananas are berries (and occasionally fruits). GÇ£If you're not willing to fight for what you have in GëívGëí you don't deserve it, and you will lose it.GÇ¥
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Jenn aSide
Smokin Aces.
7273
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Posted - 2014.07.15 15:30:00 -
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Sexy Cakes wrote: Any wormhole would be an example. When wormholes got figured out plenty of groups started heading into them and evicting other people so that they could print ISK and plenty of people still do.
Plenty of people? You do know that according to CCP the lowest character population area of EVE is called wormholes right?
And Wormholes aren't PvE content, Anoms and sigs in wormhoels are. Those things are at best revenue generators and meeting spots where pvp can happen, they are not the reasons for it.
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It started the fountain war. Not to get off subject but what's wrong with people renting? Players who want to be in nullsec but don't like PvP or taking orders from a 'godfather' get to have all the fun they want for a small percentage of what they generate. How does it hurt you in any way?
The moon goo nerf didn't start any war. I was in TEST then, the seeds of that War were planted sometime in the 70s or 80s when Montolio was born (lol).
And the problem with renting is that (thanks to many decisions CCP made trying to use PVE to "spur conflict", Null sec was turned in to space less valuable than your average high sec system that contains ONE lvl 4 agent. Renting in and of it's self isn't bad, that there is so much of it indicates a serious flaw in how CCP understands incentives and player behavior.
The point is that what you believe is wrong, the anomalie 'changes' (that spurred an exodus rather than conflict) by themselves prove this. Part of why you are wrong is because you are reacting to a need (you are 'bored' and want something more to do) that leads you down a false path. I'm a pve player , but I'm not dumb enough to believe that CCP giving us more missions is going to mean more conflict lol.
if you are bored enough with EVE to rant about it, it means you aren't creative enough to make the most of the game. As I said, after 7 years I'm still finding new things to do (while still doing other things too, a mission or anom can be relaxing after a day of screaming at people). As with many, you seem to not get that the problem you're experiencing is personal, not a matter for ccp to fix for you. |
Sexy Cakes
Have A Seat
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Posted - 2014.07.15 15:33:00 -
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Tippia wrote:Quote:I clearly illustrated that I don't categorize that as content. GǪand that's a particularly incongruous and arbitrary categorisation. You're effectively begging the question.
No one is arguing the book definition of the word.
Also you aren't impressing anyone with your pretentious replies. You are posting on a video game forum like you are giving a lecture in a college class room... lolol
'The definition of eve content' != 'the definition of content'
Practical applications of the term in regards to this video game. Slow your roll professor. Not today spaghetti. |
Chewytowel Haklar
Dayman Industries
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Posted - 2014.07.15 15:35:00 -
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Anything the community comes up with because its bored, wants to change something, or simply sees a new opportunity to take advantage of. A lot of times I see people calling something content that seems like a desperate attempt at adding new things to do in the game. CODE is perhaps one of those desperate attempts at wanting to change something but also seeming desperate for content. I personally don't see anything exciting about killing freighters and mining ships that are seemingly like rats. |
Tippia
Sunshine and Lollipops
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Posted - 2014.07.15 15:39:00 -
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Sexy Cakes wrote:Also you aren't impressing anyone with your pretentious replies. Good thing, then, that I'm not trying to impress anyone or being pretentious. I'm simply explaining that your argument isn't internally consistent.
Quote:'The definition of eve content' != 'the definition of content' That is your argument, not mine, and it is why your argument is so shaky. You are arbitrarily excluding things you label as content from being content in EVE on the basis that in EVE, content must only come from one source. Just because CCP can't change the content doesn't mean it is suddenly disqualified from being content GÇö it just means CCP can't change it. It is still an element GÇö content GÇö of the game. Anything else is, as mentioned, just begging the question. GÇ£If you're not willing to fight for what you have in GëívGëí you don't deserve it, and you will lose it.GÇ¥
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Quinn Corvez
Probe Patrol Ixtab.
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Posted - 2014.07.15 15:41:00 -
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Tippia wrote:Quinn Corvez wrote:My point is that there is already a word/term for interaction and guess what that is? no not content... Interaction! GǪwhich doesn't in any way preclude interaction from being content. There is already a word for banana, and guess what it is? Banana, not berryGǪ or fruit. And yet, bananas are berries (and occasionally fruits).
If the question was what do people mean by bananna, you wouldn't show them a picture of an orange because that is also a fruit. However, this is what you are doing in this thread.
I can see you are an intelligent person and you know full well what people mean by "content" in relation to eve. I think you just like to argue and be see to win your arguments. There is nothing wrong with that but it's not helping anyone, and leads us in to a pointless debate.
If you honestly think that "content" can be used to replace most of the words in the english language, i retract my original assessment of your intelligence. |
Jenn aSide
Smokin Aces.
7273
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Posted - 2014.07.15 15:45:00 -
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Chewytowel Haklar wrote:Anything the community comes up with because its bored, wants to change something, or simply sees a new opportunity to take advantage of. A lot of times I see people calling something content that seems like a desperate attempt at adding new things to do in the game. CODE is perhaps one of those desperate attempts at wanting to change something but also seeming desperate for content. I personally don't see anything exciting about killing freighters and mining ships that are seemingly like rats.
So you're saying that you point of view is so narrow that you can't see others.
I play this game by killing actual rats and avoiding death in the form of real players. Many many people would not find what I do to be 'fun'. Good thing I'm me and not 'many many people' lol. While I don't gank and bump, (or mine for that matter), i can see that other people enjoy doing those things.
The ONLY thing that matters and should matter to anyone is "is the player's actions withing the establish rules of the EULA". If yes, then it's none of my business what other people find fun.
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Tippia
Sunshine and Lollipops
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Posted - 2014.07.15 15:45:00 -
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Quinn Corvez wrote:If the question was what do people mean by bananna, you wouldn't show them a picture of an orange because that is also a fruit. And that is not what anyone is doing either, so that was a particularly silly argument. The fact remains: interaction can be content. There is no opposition between the two terms. One is simply a subset of the other.
Quote:I can see you are an intelligent person and you know full well what people mean by content in relation to eve. Yes. Pretty much everything in in, especially the many forms of interaction it provides. I also know that some people mistakenly only have the themepark viewpoint of content as something to consume, but that doesn't mean that that is the only type of content a sandbox has to offer. GÇ£If you're not willing to fight for what you have in GëívGëí you don't deserve it, and you will lose it.GÇ¥
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DaReaper
Net 7 The Last Brigade
698
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Posted - 2014.07.15 15:56:00 -
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Quinn Corvez wrote:Caleb Seremshur wrote:Quinn Corvez wrote:Content is the stuff the developer puts into the game that the players can interact with.
So you don't consider ganking afk miners to be content? Guess it depends on whether you consider the relationship between ganked and ganker to be symptomatic of some bigger issue - like say for example that mining is too easy in highsec or that maybe asteroid belts should be swapped for mining sigs? I don't think there is a proper definition for "game content" but i look at it like this... If someone gives me rubik's cube, that would be the content. If I solve the cube, that is simply me interacting with that content. I'm not creating anything, i'm just operating within the rules of the content provided.
I'm sure this has already been addressed, but as a 10 year vet i'll post in any thread I damn well please and ramble as much as I want... deal with it ;)
TL;DR (at work, will prolly read this thread fully in a bit though)
What you describe is a theme park game. Its the "here is your ride, wait in line, ride the ride, get your reward, move on tot he next ride or wait in line"
Eve is a not a theme park game. Its more like the Santa Cruz Beach boardwalk. In this instance, there are sections of eve that are theme park based, missions, incursions, pi, etc. You wait in line, ride the ride, get yoru reward, and move on. However, there is also this other section that is a sandbox. Its littlered with tools you can use to build and do what you want.
Using your Rubix cube analisis, its like this: You go into eve and CCP presents you with two options. You can pick up a rubix cube and solve it, then go solve another, and another, etc. OR you can pick up the pea shooter and fire peas at the guys that are solving the rubix cubes over and over. You can then put down the pea shooter and pickup pieces of other rubix cubes and make a new one that you can have someone try and solve. OR you could decide that doing this rubix cube crap sucks, and as billy bob is solving his cube you rip the cube from his hand and smash it into a wall and laugh as he cries.
Both are content. One is ccp generated, the other is player generated. There are tools in place for people to make there own goals, and issues for others. This is also content.
And you have shown what is wrong with new players. EvE is not a theme park, and people who view it as such will learn very quickly that they need to go back to WoW.
10 years of eve... yea i'm an addict |
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