Pages: 1 2 3 [4] 5 :: one page |
|
Author |
Thread Statistics | Show CCP posts - 0 post(s) |
DaReaper
Net 7 The Last Brigade
698
|
Posted - 2014.07.15 15:59:00 -
[91] - Quote
Quinn Corvez wrote:Tippia wrote:Sexy Cakes wrote:Like I said contrary to this community's popular belief. CCP has sold this sandbox game concept to you long and hard. You interact with their content. You don't create content. Actually, we do both. That's the whole point of the concept. They have created some minute content that we can interact with. They have also created a large box of tools. We can use those tools to create our own content. Other players then interact with the content we create. If you think that only the stuff created by CCP counts as content, you have a very narrow GÇö to the point of entirely inaccurate GÇö view of what content actually is. The funny part is that you got it reasonably right at first: content is GÇ£stuff to do.GÇ¥ Contrary to your belief, CCP are not the only ones who can create that. Hell, a lot of the EVE content does not even exist within EVE the game. So when someone says "ccp aren't adding any new content" do you think they mean that ccp aren't adding new people to the game? I don't even know what we're talking about here.
These are usually people who view the tools ccp gives us as a new ride. These are also the people who can't think outside the box and tend to whine about stupid crap. 10 years of eve... yea i'm an addict |
Quinn Corvez
Probe Patrol Ixtab.
247
|
Posted - 2014.07.15 16:02:00 -
[92] - Quote
Tippia wrote:Quinn Corvez wrote:If the question was what do people mean by bananna, you wouldn't show them a picture of an orange because that is also a fruit. And that is not what anyone is doing either, so that was a particularly silly argument (especially since bananas aren't fruits). The fact remains: interaction can be content. There is no opposition between the two terms. One is simply a subset of the other, same as how a banana is a berry. Quote:I can see you are an intelligent person and you know full well what people mean by content in relation to eve. Yes. Pretty much everything in it, especially the many forms of interaction it provides. I also know that some people mistakenly only have the themepark viewpoint of content as something to consume, but that doesn't mean that that is the only type of content a sandbox has to offer.
Ah then i see that you have nothing useful to contribute in this thread, so i'm not sure why you are persisting.
People aren't saying, "content" can't include multiple things according to the dictionary definition. Some of us believe that when people say "eve content" (as specified in the title of the thread if you care to read it ) they are specifically referring to the things ccp up in the game but i guess you can't see that...
So at the end of the day, when people ask for ccp so add new content they are asking ccp to add "more everything"... Thanks Tippia, you've been very helpful. |
Tippia
Sunshine and Lollipops
23172
|
Posted - 2014.07.15 16:07:00 -
[93] - Quote
Quinn Corvez wrote:Ah then i see that you have nothing useful to contribute in this thread, so i'm not sure why you are persisting. So you agree then since you have no counter-argument and have to go for the laughably pathetic passive-aggressive insults.
Quote:People aren't saying, "content" can't include multiple things according the definition. Not GÇ£peopleGÇ¥, no. You are. That's why I'm correcting your very ignorant and misinformed view.
Quote:Some of us believe that when people say "eve content" the are specifically referring to the things ccp up in the game. All of us believe that. Some of us just think that it is very unfortunate that these people haven't quite grasped what counts as content in a sandbox game.
Quote:Thanks Tippia, you've been very helpful. You're welcome.
GÇ£If you're not willing to fight for what you have in GëívGëí you don't deserve it, and you will lose it.GÇ¥
Get a good start: Newbie skillplan 2.2. |
DaReaper
Net 7 The Last Brigade
700
|
Posted - 2014.07.15 16:17:00 -
[94] - Quote
Quinn Corvez wrote:Christina Project wrote:Quinn Corvez wrote:Caviar Liberta wrote:
PvP is non developer created content.
PVP is not content, it is an interaction between players. And interaction is content, no matter how hard you try not to understand this. show me in a dictionary where content is defined as interaction. Are apples oranges also?
"2.
the substance or material dealt with in a speech, literary work, etc., as distinct from its form or style.
"the outward form and precise content of the messages""
Content in this case is whats included in the body of work. EvE is a body of work, therefor any interaction inside said body of work that generates substance, or more stories is content. Technically billy bob shooting sue in the face and moving on is more interaction, but goonswarm crushing all of eve and forming the big blue doughnut is content. As it creates a history and a story. Its part of the game, the back story, and the future. I win 10 years of eve... yea i'm an addict |
Quinn Corvez
Probe Patrol Ixtab.
247
|
Posted - 2014.07.15 16:18:00 -
[95] - Quote
Tippia wrote:Quinn Corvez wrote:Ah then i see that you have nothing useful to contribute in this thread, so i'm not sure why you are persisting. So you agree then since you have no counter-argument and have to go for the laughably pathetic passive-aggressive insults. Quote:People aren't saying, "content" can't include multiple things according the definition. Not GÇ£peopleGÇ¥, no. You are. That's why I'm correcting your very ignorant and misinformed view. Quote:Some of us believe that when people say "eve content" the are specifically referring to the things ccp up in the game. All of us believe that. Some of us just think that it is very unfortunate that these people haven't quite grasped what counts as content in a sandbox game.Quote:Thanks Tippia, you've been very helpful. You're welcome.
To be honest i just think you're a condescending ***** that is ignoring the purpose of the thread and hijacking it as a platform to make yourself feel good.
I never said content can't include multiple things. I said "game content" and the actual definition of content are two different things.
I know the ingame and out of game meaning but your narrow minded and arrogant attitude blinds you from seeing i was right from page one... And you just admitted i was right. |
rogue Aldebaran
Rogue Fleet
7
|
Posted - 2014.07.15 16:21:00 -
[96] - Quote
Pacman has content. I still see some people playing it !! |
Jenn aSide
Smokin Aces.
7273
|
Posted - 2014.07.15 16:25:00 -
[97] - Quote
DaReaper wrote: Both are content. One is ccp generated, the other is player generated. There are tools in place for people to make there own goals, and issues for others. This is also content.
Exactly. When im in null sec doing a DED 10/10, I am enjoying ccp made content. When people try to scan me down and I ahve to evade while trying to preserve my ability to finish that plex (or gank them for the loot as they try to leave), we're then experiencing player influenced content, content that would not exist if it were nto for those players coming after me.
Quote: And you have shown what is wrong with new players. EvE is not a theme park, and people who view it as such will learn very quickly that they need to go back to WoW will try to get it turned into a WoW clone despite the fact that WoW clones die.
Fixed that last part for ya.
|
Tippia
Sunshine and Lollipops
23173
|
Posted - 2014.07.15 16:25:00 -
[98] - Quote
Quinn Corvez wrote:I never said content can't include multiple things. GǪyou only argued that something can't be considered content. Right.
Quote:I said "game content" and the actual definition of content are two different things. GǪand as demonstrated, they're not. Just because your argument didn't stick doesn't mean you have to get all huffy and abusive. GÇ£If you're not willing to fight for what you have in GëívGëí you don't deserve it, and you will lose it.GÇ¥
Get a good start: Newbie skillplan 2.2. |
rogue Aldebaran
Rogue Fleet
7
|
Posted - 2014.07.15 16:26:00 -
[99] - Quote
Content or not, Eve has lost over 2000 players in the last year so....yeah. |
Tippia
Sunshine and Lollipops
23174
|
Posted - 2014.07.15 16:26:00 -
[100] - Quote
rogue Aldebaran wrote:Content or not, Eve has lost over 2000 players in the last year so....yeah. Source? GÇ£If you're not willing to fight for what you have in GëívGëí you don't deserve it, and you will lose it.GÇ¥
Get a good start: Newbie skillplan 2.2. |
|
DaReaper
Net 7 The Last Brigade
700
|
Posted - 2014.07.15 16:28:00 -
[101] - Quote
Quinn Corvez wrote:Christina Project wrote:Quinn Corvez wrote:Christina Project wrote:[quote=Quinn CorvezAnd interaction is content, no matter how hard you try not to understand this.
show me in a dictionary where content is defined as interaction. Are apples oranges also? Please provide practical evidence that interaction is not content. I can provide tons of evidence that it is, while you are completely unable to prove the contrary. All you need to do is come to Hek when I am around. My point is that there is already a word/term for interaction and guess what that is? no not content... Interaction! This thread is asking what people mean when they say content. I can only speak for myself but when i say content, i mean the stuff ccp puts in the game. Everything the players do is just the players playing the game. question: when people say "ccp should add new content" what do you think they mean?
The problem is you are not wrapping your head around the actual concept of what eve is. Interaction between players is content. As we shape the day to day activites of the world. In the books we read, content is what the hero does on his quest, in eve you are your own hero. You can chose your own path, forge your own way. You can run the 'rides' of eve, or you can say screw that and find a tool to make a sand castle.
When players say "ccp should make more content" they are not seeing eve for what it is. They want more rides. Some who say this want more tools to do what they wish but lack the understanding of what they are asking for. Sov for exsample is a combination of ride and sand box. The tools given make an outcome, you own something, then someone can come try and shoot it. Now you are building on a ride, using that ride to make a story, that generates content and changes the shape of eve. A lot of vets just want the tools we have to work better. Kinda like you are given a fork to make a sandcastle. We can do it, its just harder and sucks, and we would rather have a shovel and pail 10 years of eve... yea i'm an addict |
Quinn Corvez
Probe Patrol Ixtab.
247
|
Posted - 2014.07.15 16:28:00 -
[102] - Quote
DaReaper wrote: Content in this case is whats included in the body of work. EvE is a body of work, therefor any interaction inside said body of work that generates substance, or more stories is content. Technically billy bob shooting sue in the face and moving on is more interaction, but goonswarm crushing all of eve and forming the big blue doughnut is content. As it creates a history and a story. Its part of the game, the back story, and the future. I win
Nobody is denying that mate. I've said it about ten times now but the question is; what do people mean when they say "EVE content" not content in general?
I agree with what you said but i understand when people ask for new content, they are asking for ccp to introduce new stuff. They are not asking for more blue donuts, burn jita events, corp thefts, miner bumps... Surely you can see that?
edit:
DaReaper wrote: When players say "ccp should make more content" they are not seeing eve for what it is. They want more rides.
Exactly. right or wrong, that is what these people mean. |
Ralph King-Griffin
Lords.Of.Midnight The Devil's Warrior Alliance
2872
|
Posted - 2014.07.15 16:30:00 -
[103] - Quote
rogue Aldebaran wrote:Content or not, Eve has lost over 2000 players in the last year so....yeah. yeah ok, sauce? look at the newborns . "Confirming EVE is hot, batshit crazy, and puts out." -Omar Alharazaad "CAKE CANNOT HOLD UP TO BEING A CHARACTER DAMNIT." --áUnsuccessful At Everything |
Sexy Cakes
Have A Seat
764
|
Posted - 2014.07.15 16:35:00 -
[104] - Quote
The thing I don't understand is how so many people on these forums can blindly support this games 'content' while the subscription numbers are in the dumpster.
Ostriches with their heads in the sand. The same people it's always been. You guys would get a long well with the management at CCP I imagine.
NEW things to do. NEW. Go look up the definition of that word.
Sexy Cakes out. Continue with your pretentious explanations of things as if everything exists in a vacuum. Not today spaghetti. |
Tippia
Sunshine and Lollipops
23174
|
Posted - 2014.07.15 16:36:00 -
[105] - Quote
Sexy Cakes wrote:The thing I don't understand is how so many people on these forums can blindly support this games 'content' while the subscription numbers are in the dumpster. SoGǪ what are the subscription numbers? GÇ£If you're not willing to fight for what you have in GëívGëí you don't deserve it, and you will lose it.GÇ¥
Get a good start: Newbie skillplan 2.2. |
DaReaper
Net 7 The Last Brigade
700
|
Posted - 2014.07.15 16:38:00 -
[106] - Quote
Jenn aSide wrote:DaReaper wrote: Both are content. One is ccp generated, the other is player generated. There are tools in place for people to make there own goals, and issues for others. This is also content.
Exactly. When im in null sec doing a DED 10/10, I am enjoying ccp made content. When people try to scan me down and I ahve to evade while trying to preserve my ability to finish that plex (or gank them for the loot as they try to leave), we're then experiencing player influenced content, content that would not exist if it were nto for those players coming after me. Quote: And you have shown what is wrong with new players. EvE is not a theme park, and people who view it as such will learn very quickly that they need to go back to WoW will try to get it turned into a WoW clone despite the fact that WoW clones die.
Fixed that last part for ya.
lol thanks =D 10 years of eve... yea i'm an addict |
Quinn Corvez
Probe Patrol Ixtab.
247
|
Posted - 2014.07.15 16:49:00 -
[107] - Quote
Tippia wrote:Quote:I said "game content" and the actual definition of content are two different things. GǪand as demonstrated, they're not. Just because your argument didn't doesn't mean you have to get all huffy and abusive. You were just wrong (especially in what you said on page one). It happens. Live with it.
At the end of the day, you are not qualified to pass judgement on anyone here or declare someone as being wrong and neither am I. The question is largely open to interpretation, and with something as general as "game content" all we can do is hope to arrive at a consensus.
I don't think i got abusive did i? On the contrary I find your conduct throughout this thread to be very poor and many of your posts at pointless in the context of the original thread (quoted post included).
Goodby o/ |
rogue Aldebaran
Rogue Fleet
7
|
Posted - 2014.07.15 16:55:00 -
[108] - Quote
Tippia wrote:rogue Aldebaran wrote:Content or not, Eve has lost over 2000 players in the last year so....yeah. Source?
I http://eve-offline.net/?server=tranquility
Weekly average graph.
Latest shown value = 25724 (2014-07-03)
comparing with value shown at the same date on previous year= 32 300 (2013-07-04)
32 300 - 25 724 = 6 576 Accounts.
Now devide this number by the average number of accounts each players in this game has. I think it is around 3 (this is a guess but I am sure I am pretty close!)
6576 / 3 = (around) 2 192 PLAYERS no longer log in Tranquility since last year.
That is how I see it Tippia. You may criticize the methodology I am using to evaluate how many players Eve has lost in the past year. But you cannot argue the fact that the numbers HAVE dropped and by a significant number.
So content or not.... it is clear to me that there is a significant number of players that decided that Eve was no longer FUN to play and moved on. |
DaReaper
Net 7 The Last Brigade
700
|
Posted - 2014.07.15 16:55:00 -
[109] - Quote
rogue Aldebaran wrote:Content or not, Eve has lost over 2000 players in the last year so....yeah.
I'm thirding this... source? 10 years of eve... yea i'm an addict |
DaReaper
Net 7 The Last Brigade
703
|
Posted - 2014.07.15 16:59:00 -
[110] - Quote
rogue Aldebaran wrote:Tippia wrote:rogue Aldebaran wrote:Content or not, Eve has lost over 2000 players in the last year so....yeah. Source? I http://eve-offline.net/?server=tranquilityWeekly average graph. Latest shown value = 25724 (2014-07-03) comparing with value shown at the same date on previous year= 32 300 (2013-07-04) 32 300 - 25 724 = 6 576 Accounts. Now devide this number by the average number of accounts each players in this game has. I think it is around 3 (this is a guess but I am sure I am pretty close!) 6576 / 3 = (around) 2 192 PLAYERS no longer log in Tranquility since last year. That is how I see it Tippia. You may criticize the methodology I am using to evaluate how many players Eve has lost in the past year. But you cannot argue the fact that the numbers HAVE dropped and by a significant number. So content or not.... it is clear to me that there is a significant number of players that decided that Eve was no longer FUN to play and moved on.
Sigh... except that doesn't prove eve lost anything. It just proves less players log in at the same time. Granted it could mean we are down players, it also could mean people are busy being outside and there was not a big enough carrot in kronos for them the log in. But based on your numbers, you can't say eve is down 2k ppl, as for all you know the players not loging in could still pay for there accounts and just log in for a min to change skills as they are busy. That's the issue with the eve-offline numbers, there is on context as to what they mean. So this prove noda. Unless ccp releases the data you honestly can't tell anything.
Now if the financial report shows game rev down from last year (which will be hard as this years numbers will include dust and they made 10m more in 2013 then 2012) then you can do the match and figure out subscribers. But till then, the data you are using as no backing of anything. (sorry chribba but tis true) 10 years of eve... yea i'm an addict |
|
Jenn aSide
Smokin Aces.
7274
|
Posted - 2014.07.15 16:59:00 -
[111] - Quote
Sexy Cakes wrote:The thing I don't understand is how so many people on these forums can blindly support this games 'content' while the subscription numbers are in the dumpster.
The thing i don't understand is how you don't support this game's content when this game has survived with less than this for 11 years.
IF there is some decline in sub numbers, you have no idea what is causing it. The only thing you know is that YOU are bored. But somehow not bored enough to quit yourself. So it's other people quitting for lack of new content, but not you?
Quote: Ostriches with their heads in the sand. The same people it's always been. You guys would get a long well with the management at CCP I imagine.
NEW things to do. NEW. Go look up the definition of that word.
Sexy Cakes out. Continue with your pretentious explanations of things as if everything exists in a vacuum.
Sure, but only if you continue blaming other people for your boredom because you can't find anything new and interesting in a game full of content and tools and possibilities. |
Tippia
Sunshine and Lollipops
23174
|
Posted - 2014.07.15 17:04:00 -
[112] - Quote
Quinn Corvez wrote:At the end of the day, you are not qualified to pass judgement on anyone here or declare someone as being wrong and neither am I. You might not be, but I certainly am, since I can point to some pretty basic facts that prove you wrong.
rogue Aldebaran wrote:http://eve-offline.net/?server=tranquility
Weekly average graph.
Latest shown value = 25724 (2014-07-03)
comparing with value shown at the same date on previous year= 32 300 (2013-07-04)
32 300 - 25 724 = 6 576 Accounts. That shows lower activity, not a loss of players GÇö certainly not something as explicit as the 2k you're suggesting. GÇ£If you're not willing to fight for what you have in GëívGëí you don't deserve it, and you will lose it.GÇ¥
Get a good start: Newbie skillplan 2.2. |
|
Chribba
Otherworld Enterprises Otherworld Empire
12282
|
Posted - 2014.07.15 18:33:00 -
[113] - Quote
DaReaper wrote:Now if the financial report shows game rev down from last year (which will be hard as this years numbers will include dust and they made 10m more in 2013 then 2012) then you can do the match and figure out subscribers. But till then, the data you are using as no backing of anything. (sorry chribba but tis true) No need to be sorry, this is absolutely true, I poll numbers from CCP, if they are accurate or not can really only be confirmed by CCP as I as only display the values CCP actually shows me.
(also note that numbers in the more long-term graphs are heavily averaged due to the number of data-points)
/c
|
|
Ralph King-Griffin
Lords.Of.Midnight The Devil's Warrior Alliance
2877
|
Posted - 2014.07.15 18:38:00 -
[114] - Quote
rogue Aldebaran wrote:Tippia wrote:rogue Aldebaran wrote:Content or not, Eve has lost over 2000 players in the last year so....yeah. Source? I http://eve-offline.net/?server=tranquilityWeekly average graph. Latest shown value = 25724 (2014-07-03) comparing with value shown at the same date on previous year= 32 300 (2013-07-04) 32 300 - 25 724 = 6 576 Accounts. Now devide this number by the average number of accounts each players in this game has. I think it is around 3 (this is a guess but I am sure I am pretty close!) 6576 / 3 = (around) 2 192 PLAYERS no longer log in Tranquility since last year. That is how I see it Tippia. You may criticize the methodology I am using to evaluate how many players Eve has lost in the past year. But you cannot argue the fact that the numbers HAVE dropped and by a significant number. So content or not.... it is clear to me that there is a significant number of players that decided that Eve was no longer FUN to play and moved on. Oh yeah,well i've taken yur poll and I lied abo....wait, that wount work here...dam. "Confirming EVE is hot, batshit crazy, and puts out." -Omar Alharazaad "CAKE CANNOT HOLD UP TO BEING A CHARACTER DAMNIT." --áUnsuccessful At Everything |
DaReaper
Net 7 The Last Brigade
703
|
Posted - 2014.07.15 19:40:00 -
[115] - Quote
As this is a content thread i'll post this here:
In another thread talking about players going inactive someone said on the first page they were unsubbing 8 accounts, because no new content means no subs...
And I find this statement to be insane.
I have been here for 10 years, i'm not one of the oldest player, but it seems that a lot of players older then say 5 years have a short memory.
I hear "eve has not added anything new" or "eve is going in the wrong direction" and I honestly look at these post and people and just want to say "are you ******* stupid?!?"
Here is why... essentially what you are saying is: I want ccp to make new features... I don't care if they are broken, unfinished, cause massive game issues for months and then are ignored, I want new stuff.
because the reason why ccp is in 'repair mode' is this very reason. They made new stuff, whipped their hands, and went 'next shiney thing!' Which is why you get pi that does nothing for dust and is a major click fest, T3 ships not living up to their full potential, pos' being in a sorry state, sov not complete (they said they would add additional upgrades and structures... still waiting) Incursions feeling incomplete. The list goes on and on.
So be my guest and whine about lack of new stuff, i'll be very happy when old stuff is finished and working sp that the new stuff won't have to get broken because the sov, corp, alliance and pos mechanic are unfinished 10 years of eve... yea i'm an addict |
Quinn Corvez
Probe Patrol Ixtab.
248
|
Posted - 2014.07.15 20:26:00 -
[116] - Quote
... |
Quinn Corvez
Probe Patrol Ixtab.
248
|
Posted - 2014.07.15 20:38:00 -
[117] - Quote
double post |
Unsuccessful At Everything
The Troll Bridge
15335
|
Posted - 2014.07.15 20:48:00 -
[118] - Quote
Now, Ive had some rather interesting threads locked for lack of content, even though they were jam packed full of contenty goodness.
While im not sure what CCP would consider "content", apparently anything Platypus related is considered not. Since the cessation of their usefulness is imminent, may I appropriate your belongings? |
Xavier Liche
ACME Mineral and Gas
96
|
Posted - 2014.07.15 22:40:00 -
[119] - Quote
Caleb Seremshur wrote:Seems to be some confusion as to what "content" eve actually has.
So list it.
building space ships. Nothing changes, the people from Trammel think the content is created by developers, people from Felucca think players create content... |
Remiel Pollard
The Vigilance Institute
3923
|
Posted - 2014.07.15 23:08:00 -
[120] - Quote
Sexy Cakes wrote:The thing I don't understand is how so many people on these forums can blindly support this games 'content' while the subscription numbers are in the dumpster.
Ostriches with their heads in the sand. The same people it's always been. You guys would get a long well with the management at CCP I imagine.
NEW things to do. NEW. Go look up the definition of that word.
Sexy Cakes out. Continue with your pretentious explanations of things as if everything exists in a vacuum.
You call us pretentious by making assertions based on false premises. You and that other guy are probably used to content handed to you on a silver platter, and clearly you're somewhat new to EVE because you are missing a great deal of information, and it is what makes you very very wrong. Subscription numbers are just fine.
Quinn Corvez wrote:
Your're nothing, if not arrogant...
As i said before, it depends on the context. If the question is what is considered "game content", that hasn't been clearly defined (feel free to try) and is a different question to "what does content mean"... For that the OP could have just opened a dictionary.
I've read through this thread and at this point, you're just arguing semantics. You've been called out and steered away from your original argument instead of just admitting you were wrong. And you want to call someone else arrogant? You better check that Dunning-Kruger sport.
Let me ask you something, if you play guitar and you write a song, is the guitar creating the content? You're just interacting with the guitar, right, and it's the guitar creating the content?
The game provides the tools, we create the content. It's just like having a set of dice, a few sheets of paper and a few friends that sit down together and play Dungeons and Dragons. In EVE's case, the tools are quite a bit more refined, but the concept is the same. If you've never created your own content, I do truly pity you.
Now anyone will concede that there is some content provided to players in-game, but few will argue that it isn't limited and generic in nature. One could argue that the tools we use to create content are content themselves, and they would make a good argument. However, to proclaim there's no player-created content is about as uninformed about EVE as you can get. Never have I heard more pathetic drivel than that about this game. I can only imagine where such drivel might be coming from. Two sources come to mind - anti-CODE propaganda and/or paid EA shill trying to declare EVE less unique than it is.
Either way, or even if I'm wrong, you insult every content creator in the game, and that's a large population of players. You deserve nothing more than our contempt. You don't scare me. I've been to Jita.
People complain about how 'empty' space is. Personally, I would be complaining if it were more 'full'.
|
|
|
|
|
Pages: 1 2 3 [4] 5 :: one page |
First page | Previous page | Next page | Last page |