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Odithia
Federal Defense Union Gallente Federation
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Posted - 2014.07.15 14:57:00 -
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Since everybody and their mom seems to be flying ishtar for everything, what should be done in order to put it to the same level than the other HAC ? Obviously putting the other HAC to Ishtar level of dps would make all standard battleships useless.
Some ideas: Simple fix: remove 25 mbs of bandwidth (100mbs total) to make its raw damage similar to the Myrmidon. Complicated fix: nerf its bandwidth to 50mbs, switch bonus to medium drones only, introduce medium sentry. Something like 550 dps with 3 DDA ?
Or leave it as it is now and witness more and more people flying it as they realize its usefulness and skill toward it.
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Corraidhin Farsaidh
Hello-There
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Posted - 2014.07.15 15:11:00 -
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My usual answer to nerfing the ishtar...it's the only ship where you can destroy its dps...and it takes a large skill investment which gets rewarded with a good ship. |
Bohneik Itohn
Amarrian Salvage Gnomes and Associates
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Posted - 2014.07.15 15:19:00 -
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Corraidhin Farsaidh wrote:My usual answer to nerfing the ishtar...it's the only ship where you can destroy its dps...and it takes a large skill investment which gets rewarded with a good ship.
A large skill investment to max out. Not so much of a large investment to get say... 90% of it's potential, which is still well above and beyond other HACs.
And yes you can destroy it's DPS, but not every fight is just about pushing the opposing fleet off of the field. Some conflicts have larger goals and if you can't cause a significant financial loss to your opposition you've just wasted your time. I'm sure they're perfectly fine with buying drones instead of ships.
Also, despite being able to destroy the DPS, they still seem to be highly preferred, so it apparently isn't enough of a drawback to deter people.
So many fix the Ishtar threads though.... I'm just bored with the subject. Wait, CCP kills kittens now too?!-á - Freyya
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jiujitsutou
Outrider's Black. Sails
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Posted - 2014.07.15 15:23:00 -
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550 DPS is rediculously low keeping in mind its awfull tank . If you really want to change the ishtar (and i must admit i dont see a reason why this would need to happen), make it a heavydrone carrier (and med and small ofc). This way the ishtar is still a very potent damage dealer with very akward tank (compared to zealots etc atleast) but its drones need to travel (remember it also got a speed bonus so its not that akward and impossible) and are right in the dangerzone (smartbombs etc.) |
Fer'isam K'ahn
None Of One
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Posted - 2014.07.15 15:27:00 -
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Odithia wrote:Since everybody and their mom seems to be ... I don't.
Pointless until you recognize the existance of the search function, stickies and first page threads and dump another whine thread on the forum.
Have you checked?
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Odithia
Federal Defense Union Gallente Federation
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Posted - 2014.07.15 16:27:00 -
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Corraidhin Farsaidh wrote:My usual answer to nerfing the ishtar...it's the only ship where you can destroy its dps...and it takes a large skill investment which gets rewarded with a good ship. Regardless of destroying its dps or not, it completely outdamage the Myrmidon and Dominix . Every other HAC is outgunned by its "bigger brother" Battlecruiser or Battleship, and for good reasons. If the Ishtar damage is not to be tweaked, then the Myrmidon and Dominix are to be improved for consistency.
Beside, the "destroying dps" is outweighted by : No capacitor usage No CPU/PG No slot Damage type selection No reload Long range/shortrange in same loadout
Looks like a fair trade to me.
Also skillpoint have nothing to do with balance, every 1year+ player can be able to effectively fly any HAC. Following this reasoning a Titan, that require a shitload of skillpoints, should be able to wreck a fleet of anything. Well it could but was juged broken and took a swing of nerfbat.
jiujitsutou wrote:550 DPS is rediculously low keeping in mind its awfull tank . If you really want to change the ishtar (and i must admit i dont see a reason why this would need to happen), make it a heavydrone carrier (and med and small ofc). This way the ishtar is still a very potent damage dealer with very akward tank (compared to zealots etc atleast) but its drones need to travel (remember it also got a speed bonus so its not that akward and impossible) and are right in the dangerzone (smartbombs etc.)
On second thought, it a bit low, but it should not shadow the Gilia. Also it would be medium weapon damage, so the application would be better than current.
Sorry, didn't see that another Ishtar thread had its last post just 5 days ago. |
Corraidhin Farsaidh
Hello-There
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Posted - 2014.07.15 16:42:00 -
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Odithia wrote: Regardless of destroying its dps or not, it completely outdamage the Myrmidon and Dominix . Every other HAC is outgunned by its "bigger brother" Battlecruiser or Battleship, and for good reasons. If the Ishtar damage is not to be tweaked, then the Myrmidon and Dominix are to be improved for consistency.
it also has low tank as a trade for those dps...and in given situations it will be outperformed by many other ships with lower dps. I've had ishtars steal my kills in sites (hisec) and also beaten them to them, along with gilas, deimos, and a whole bunch of other ships. I don't 'only see ishtars' and I run a lot of anomolies. In fact I see a whole gamut of ships running these sites... |
HiddenPorpoise
Under Dark Sins of our Fathers
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Posted - 2014.07.15 16:50:00 -
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Odithia wrote:Corraidhin Farsaidh wrote:My usual answer to nerfing the ishtar...it's the only ship where you can destroy its dps...and it takes a large skill investment which gets rewarded with a good ship. Regardless of destroying its dps or not, it completely outdamage the Myrmidon and Dominix . No it doesn't. The myrm is the highest dps CBC in the game; it's not going to do that much and if your domi is lower dps than your ishtar you're weird.
And the muninn can out dps the cyclone and it's likely the weakest HAC. |
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ISD Dorrim Barstorlode
ISD Community Communications Liaisons
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Posted - 2014.07.15 17:04:00 -
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Quote:16. Redundant and re-posted threads will be locked.
As a courtesy to other forum users, please search to see if there is a thread already open on the topic you wish to discuss. If so, please place your comments there instead. Multiple threads on the same subject clutter up the forums needlessly, causing good feedback and ideas to be lost. Please keep discussions regarding a topic to a single thread. Thread closed. ISD Dorrim Barstorlode Captain Community Communication Liaisons (CCLs) Interstellar Services Department |
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