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Still Hart
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Posted - 2006.06.30 16:08:00 -
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Hi, so my corp finally has a few stealth bomber pilots and I want to get a "wolf pack" together to go harass enemys. Unfortunately I'm not really sure of a good way to go about doing this. Are there any suggestions out there for how a fleet of maybe 6 SB's can be most effectively used?
Thx, D
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Joshua Foiritain
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Posted - 2006.06.30 16:21:00 -
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Step 1: Fit Cruise missiles Step 2: Find Target Step 3: Warp in Step 4: Open Fire Step 5: Watch enemy go pop under cruise missile spam Step 6: Victory
On a more serious note, use the mid slots for ewar such as damps, scramblers and jammers. Thatll prevent enemies from shooting back -----
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Masu'di
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Posted - 2006.06.30 16:25:00 -
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take a Rapier as a tackler and scout.
otherwise they will just warp off.
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Jenstruant Fogg
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Posted - 2006.06.30 16:30:00 -
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Edited by: Jenstruant Fogg on 30/06/2006 16:33:26 1) Find target 2) Get in scram range if you need to scram or whatever other range you want to be at 3) Uncloak 4) Activate Sensor boosters and lock 5) Sensor Dampen target in hopes they can't lock you until your second volley (ECM works too but it's not as reliable) 6) Watch them die/lock and bust your paper-thin hull (you have no tank ya see)
This works well in groups, especially if you can use T2 cruise missiles. Normally the more people you have, the more effective you are. Just remember that against a group even half your size, you'll probably die. Also, only engage solo BC/cruisers or 2-3 T2 frigs unless you have a gang of 8+ (the more the enemy has, the less effective your EW will be)
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xenodia
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Posted - 2006.06.30 17:50:00 -
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Edited by: xenodia on 30/06/2006 17:50:51
Originally by: Still Hart Hi, so my corp finally has a few stealth bomber pilots and I want to get a "wolf pack" together to go harass enemys. Unfortunately I'm not really sure of a good way to go about doing this. Are there any suggestions out there for how a fleet of maybe 6 SB's can be most effectively used?
Thx, D
Hint 1 - If the target cant lock you, he cant keep you from recloaking
Hint 2 - Recons are great at scouting targets and then preventing or restricting them from locking anyone.
The "ideal" stealth bomber wolf pack would have a recon ship with CO cloak mixed in the group. This person would provide warning that the target is inbound to the ambush area, and also be able to discretely follow him in warp, and when the bombers are ready to engage, he can decloak, dampen/jam and warp scramble the target from long range.
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xenodia
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Posted - 2006.06.30 17:53:00 -
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Originally by: Jenstruant Fogg Edited by: Jenstruant Fogg on 30/06/2006 16:33:26 1) Find target 2) Get in scram range if you need to scram or whatever other range you want to be at 3) Uncloak 4) Activate Sensor boosters and lock 5) Sensor Dampen target in hopes they can't lock you until your second volley (ECM works too but it's not as reliable) 6) Watch them die/lock and bust your paper-thin hull (you have no tank ya see)
This works well in groups, especially if you can use T2 cruise missiles. Normally the more people you have, the more effective you are. Just remember that against a group even half your size, you'll probably die. Also, only engage solo BC/cruisers or 2-3 T2 frigs unless you have a gang of 8+ (the more the enemy has, the less effective your EW will be)
Actually it depends on the enemy groups composition. If the enemy force is all battleships or other large ships, you can get away with having everyone decloak, lock, fire, and recloak. Its possible to do this and recloak before a battleship can lock anyone, even if he has sensor boosters. As long as youre within 20 or 30km of the target, your missiles will still hit even after you recloak.
If its a decent sized force and includes interceptors or other fast locking ships, that tactic will have spectacularly bad results though.
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Dark Shikari
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Posted - 2006.06.30 17:58:00 -
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1) Uncloak 2) Fire 3) Wait for missiles to hit target 4) Watch a sniper battleship instapop you 5) Panic as you realize you just lost a 40m cloak 6) Get podded
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Phelan Lore
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Posted - 2006.06.30 18:51:00 -
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Die horribly?
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cytomatrix
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Posted - 2006.06.30 20:52:00 -
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A gang of 4 bombers and one falcon(or any other recon) can cause chaos in enemy territory if u use it correctly. Let the recon guy find a target and tackle. Then bombers can warp in and nuke the **** out of em and cloak if any hostiles warp in.
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Admiral Alina
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Posted - 2006.06.30 22:01:00 -
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yes... i'm interested in this aswell... any suggestions for a 1man tactic?
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Sean Dillon
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Posted - 2006.06.30 23:08:00 -
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There isn't much u can kill solo in a sb only afk pilots and frigates and barges.
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Still Hart
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Posted - 2006.06.30 23:12:00 -
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I like to kill AFK pilots in my Velator.
Okay, so I'm guessing there aren't really any tried and true SB tactics out there (at least that people are willing to reveal) based on this thread. I mean, yeah, duh, tackle->uncloak->damp->fire, but you can do that with any ship. There has to be some sweet ass tactics out there that really take advantage of the SB's particular strengths.
I plan on figuring something out and using it to ponezaur all of you.
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Admiral Alina
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Posted - 2006.07.01 17:54:00 -
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try... swoop in... get within optimal... uncloak... fire and warp
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Cherybol
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Posted - 2006.07.01 19:45:00 -
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I want to try this out, but all my m8s say that sb's are a waste of time.
And the fact im in a corp of traders. :P
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Minnow maught
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Posted - 2006.07.02 09:26:00 -
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SBers are worth the effort if you have corp mates / alliance friends who also feel the same (solo SB's are a bit sucky tbh).
Fleet warefare : Stay cloaked until engagement has begun. Uncloak, damp enemy BSs or eagles if they have them and pound the enemy fleet tacklers. Very effective when 3-4 SB's are working as a gang within a fleet. Engage from about 40-50km. always stay alligned and keep the transversal up.
Small Gang Warefare: (3-4+ SB's). Great for station camping in busy empire systems when in an empire war. If venturing into 0.0 or low sec then all gang members need to be quite experienced ... forget gang warp, you are all on your own until you engage a target.
1) always be cloacked unless warping or engaging (they'll see you in local but cant scan your ship type) 2) always allign before uncloacking and then warping 2a) jump through gate 2b) double click to allign to warp object 2c) as soon as speed increases from 0km/s then cloak 2d) once up to 75%+ speed decloak and warp to object 3) All gang members pracice point 2 and become efficient in its useage. 4) if camping a station etc, warp in at different distances and move in different directions. e.g. Gang member 1 goes above station, gang member 2 goes below etc (you don't want to be uncloaked by your own gang members!!!) 5) Pick your targets and work as a team when engaging multiple targets (TS etc are a must) 6) Having a couple of good interceptor pilots in your gang is also very welcome as you will need a good tackler if you want to take down BS's. 7) Have at least 1 gang member carry a remote armour repair.
Well theres some tips to get you started.
Just out of interest has anyone tried using stealth bombers without clocking devices? I haven't but think they could be viable in a mixed frig / ceptor gang. They are relatively cheap when you get rid of the improved cloak II.
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Naginataii
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Posted - 2006.07.02 11:53:00 -
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I find having a good armour tanker / scrambling ship, meybe a battleship makes good bait for your stealth bomber gang.
Get a friend to sit in the battleship where it's likely to run into enemy targets, wait till they go "ooo juicy lone battleship target", then blam, the battleship scrambles as many as he can, you uncloak from 80kms and blast with cruise missiles, perfect ambush.
But you can't use this against the same people over again, they will savvy up to it.
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Sadist
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Posted - 2006.07.02 22:07:00 -
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Ok, here we go. Tactics for nemesis, hound and purifier.
1) Unfit all modules 2) Board another ship 3) Repackage the stealth bomber 4) right click on the bomber and click "view market details" 5) Sell the bomber.
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Quote: - Numbers alone do not win a battle - No, but I bet they help.
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Dethis
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Posted - 2006.07.02 22:21:00 -
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Originally by: Sadist Ok, here we go. Tactics for nemesis, hound and purifier.
1) Unfit all modules 2) Board another ship 3) Repackage the stealth bomber 4) right click on the bomber and click "view market details" 5) Sell the bomber.
-------- Kill em all and let god sort em out
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Mo Steel
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Posted - 2006.07.02 22:27:00 -
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Originally by: Sadist Ok, here we go. Tactics for nemesis, hound and purifier.
1) Unfit all modules 2) Board another ship 3) Repackage the stealth bomber 4) right click on the bomber and click "view market details" 5) Sell the bomber.
Some people just can't handle challenging gameplay I guess.
Can I have your Purifier?
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Sadist
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Posted - 2006.07.03 01:19:00 -
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Originally by: Mo Steel
Some people just can't handle challenging gameplay I guess.
Can I have your Purifier?
Some people just prefer to use gimped ***** ships. And our frig pilots have popped many a careless stealth bombers. --------------- VIP member of the [23]
Quote: - Numbers alone do not win a battle - No, but I bet they help.
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Mo Steel
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Posted - 2006.07.03 03:32:00 -
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Originally by: Sadist
Originally by: Mo Steel
Some people just can't handle challenging gameplay I guess.
Can I have your Purifier?
Some people just prefer to use gimped ***** ships. And our frig pilots have popped many a careless stealth bombers.
I'm not arguing they aren't gimped - just that you can't handle it. ;)
Also - Can I have your Purifier or not? :P Don't unfit it either, cloaking device's are too damn expernsive nowadays.
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Still Hart
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Posted - 2006.07.03 03:41:00 -
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Edited by: Still Hart on 03/07/2006 03:41:52
Originally by: Minnow maught Just out of interest has anyone tried using stealth bombers without clocking devices? I haven't but think they could be viable in a mixed frig / ceptor gang. They are relatively cheap when you get rid of the improved cloak II.
Meh, they have crappy cap and no defense. I guess they could be ghetto EW boats with sensor damps or something but they are really toast if anyone locks em.
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lnquisitor
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Posted - 2006.09.08 16:43:00 -
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I think people just do not understand what the phrase "Covert Ops" means. And SB is not an assualt ship and was never meant to be. It is an assassin. You want to know how to use an SB? You sneak around find AFK ships. You steal cargo. You decloak and pop the industrial, logistics, exumer at 100Km when they are in the middle of a gang, then disappear before engagment. That is covert op tatics.
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tookar
Amarr Krookid
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Posted - 2006.09.08 17:28:00 -
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Edited by: tookar on 08/09/2006 17:28:40 And how exactly do you sneak around when you cant warp while cloaked? Any self respecting ship will see you appear on overview before you cloak and know you are there . The only use for these ships is in gatecamps and even then your better off in almost any other ship .
And never EVER take a manticore to a large syatem :/
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Viktor Fyretracker
Caldari Worms Corp
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Posted - 2006.09.08 18:26:00 -
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Edited by: Viktor Fyretracker on 08/09/2006 18:32:16 they should let them use the covert ops cloak or let them fire while cloaked. after all the stealth used by the USAF doesnt have to give up its stealth to kill a target. stealth bombers are nothing but kestrels with cruise missles atm.
local and the overview are the death of the SB really, imo a stealth bomber shouldnt ever show up on overview even when attacking. you should have to manually track it down by looking for the cruise missle engine glows.
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RedClaws
Amarr Dragon's Rage
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Posted - 2006.09.08 18:50:00 -
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i can imagine its fun but think what you could do with the same amount of people and the same amount of isk but in different ships.
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Phrixus Zephyr
Singularity.
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Posted - 2006.09.08 19:11:00 -
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Do not under any circumstances fire missles at me from the undocking port of an NPC station, because i will dock, undock, and pod your ass.
That one is straight from the -A- book of how to get yourself killed by a lone ceptor when you have 30 friendlies in local.
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Kalek Astroth
Amarr The Electrocuted
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Posted - 2006.09.09 04:40:00 -
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SB are cool , since you can pilot them they are cool... after they are only a nice idea badly implemented in game the basic tactic is to stay always aligned to an entity always at max speed have a nice target time (sensor booster 2 or 3 ) and a dampner or two to have the time to delay enemy lock (and distance as well) on you .. fire and recloack . well thats it if your aim is to one shot t1 frigs you now have the I Win button ... not a cheap one imo
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Viktor Fyretracker
Caldari Worms Corp
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Posted - 2006.09.09 04:46:00 -
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anyone use them as flanking ships, while the enemy is paying attention to your main fleet go around behind and start hitting their EW ships from behind?
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Foulis
Minmatar Chosen Path Lotka Volterra
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Posted - 2006.09.09 05:31:00 -
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Originally by: Viktor Fyretracker anyone use them as flanking ships, while the enemy is paying attention to your main fleet go around behind and start hitting their EW ships from behind?
Yes, it's all fun and games 'till someone lands on top of you as the fleet leaves. ----
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