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Titania Hrothgar
Nemesis Retribution No Excuse.
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Posted - 2014.07.17 02:13:00 -
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Just out of curiosity, I decided to look into what all is granted by a full API. I did a quick google search, found a link to the powerful tools used by corporations to do their background checks, and was appalled at what I saw.
My assets and in which station I'd placed them, my wallet, all my market transactions, where I go, what I do, even granting full access to every notification and mail I send and receive? A full API literally lets someone watch my every move!
It's creepy!
I've now joined the bandwagon of those who refuse to provide a full API. No one shall have that kind of access to my game play experience. I sent an e-mail to my corp providing them with a new API. I hope they understand. It was just way too creepy a thing to have out there....
*shudder* All the world's a stage and all the men and women are the players. |
Chainsaw Plankton
IDLE GUNS IDLE EMPIRE
545
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Posted - 2014.07.17 03:05:00 -
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when all your stuff gets stolen by a spy I won't have any sympathy!
that said I don't think I've ever given out a full API, and well I have no plan to in the near future. although considering I've been thinking of joining with a new corp I don't know how well I'll be able to hold out. You can trust me, I have a monocole |
Titania Hrothgar
Nemesis Retribution No Excuse.
79
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Posted - 2014.07.17 03:13:00 -
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Chainsaw Plankton wrote:when all your stuff gets stolen by a spy I won't have any sympathy!
Well, consider that when joining a corp and being asked for your full API when getting no APIs in return from the corp CEO and current members, there's really no way my sending a full API helps prevent me from getting my stuff stolen. No corp provides their APIs- they simply ask for the API of the new recruit.
All the world's a stage and all the men and women are the players. |
Magnus Cortex
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
208
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Posted - 2014.07.17 03:31:00 -
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what are you hiding? |
Titania Hrothgar
Nemesis Retribution No Excuse.
79
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Posted - 2014.07.17 03:32:00 -
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Magnus Cortex wrote:what are you hiding?
My mail. Yep. I'm hiding every message where I say hi to someone ;) All the world's a stage and all the men and women are the players. |
Sibyyl
Gallente Federation
2919
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Posted - 2014.07.17 03:59:00 -
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API Jackknife List of all API calls EVE Corp Management helper app An example of the Shadow Broker's marvelous work (at the request of that guy)
As they say, knowing is half the battle. .. when everything else is gone .. |
Scipio Artelius
The Vendunari End of Life
2133
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Posted - 2014.07.17 04:14:00 -
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It's a make believe spaceship game.
Seeing the everything of your imaginary character is not creepy.
It's just another aspect of the game. Nothing more. Come Win At Eve - Join The Vendunari
. -á<- Argue this, not this ->-á( -í-¦ -£-û -í-¦) |
ELWhappo Sanchez
7
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Posted - 2014.07.17 04:36:00 -
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I agree with the op. tell em to stick it where the sun don't shine. no api for u. api **** |
Riot Girl
You'll Cowards Don't Even Smoke Crack
3325
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Posted - 2014.07.17 04:48:00 -
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Personally, I don't engage in any kind of player interaction with anyone who doesn't submit a full API first. Oh god. |
Don Purple
310
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Posted - 2014.07.17 04:50:00 -
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I always ask for a full api in return :D. I am just here to snuggle. |
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Nariya Kentaya
Phoenix funds
1459
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Posted - 2014.07.17 05:15:00 -
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Titania Hrothgar wrote:Chainsaw Plankton wrote:when all your stuff gets stolen by a spy I won't have any sympathy! Well, consider that when joining a corp and being asked for your full API when getting no APIs in return from the corp CEO and current members, there's really no way my sending a full API helps prevent me from getting my stuff stolen. No corp provides their APIs- they simply ask for the API of the new recruit. Because its safe security to hand out all of your corp's APIs to every recruit that joins. Thats like going to the your job and saying its unfair they can have your social security number but your not allowed to have the social security number of everyone who works there. |
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Chribba
Otherworld Enterprises Otherworld Empire
12328
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Posted - 2014.07.17 05:28:00 -
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There's some pretty amazing and awesome aspects of the full API as well if you think away from the whole meta/spy game. Keeping track of your own stuff and assets down to the fuel in your POS, I would say it's not really creepy unless you give it to the wrong people.
(and obviously the most important call... the one to calculate how much time you waste per day on average being online)
/c
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Mr Epeen
It's All About Me
5546
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Posted - 2014.07.17 05:30:00 -
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I won't ask you for an API to join my corp, Titania.
We do fun activities like forum roams and thread ganks. If you have a knack for annoying people using only your words, then you are what we here at IAAM want. No need for a blaster when a sharp wit will kill with more finesse.
Mr Epeen There are 86,400 seconds in a day. You just saved one of them by typing 'u' instead of 'you'.-á Congratulations, dumbass! |
Hiyora Akachi
Yulai Guard Yulai Federation
207
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Posted - 2014.07.17 05:33:00 -
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You don't join corps that require API? Enjoy the AWOXing and having all your **** stolen. |
Mikael Menethil
Royal Amarr Institute Amarr Empire
5
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Posted - 2014.07.17 07:53:00 -
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The full API sounds more like "activity monitoring" rather than "background check".
I would only give the public information. Not my fault your internet research skills are s**t. |
Inxentas Ultramar
Ultramar Independent Contracting
1387
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Posted - 2014.07.17 08:37:00 -
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API checks do not prevent awoxing. API checks do not prevent corp theft. When line members would have access to costly assets a background check and active monitoring would be in order. When line members have limited access and your security is decentralized, full API requirements are too much of a privacy invasion, and will stunt your corporations growth. It really depends on what your corporation does and how open you want your door to be for new members. |
Bloody Slave
Republic Military School Minmatar Republic
123
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Posted - 2014.07.17 08:52:00 -
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LoL, someone was trying to sell tons of APIs in MD last week:
"Say I've collected a large number of API's through ways which aren't against Eve's rules, would it be against the rules to sell in bulk here to corporations/alliances seeking intel via the use of these API's?"
Not even my mom will get my full API.
If your balls are hurt and bleeding don't sit in a pool full of piranhas (note to myself: don't complain in GD) |
Victor Andall
612
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Posted - 2014.07.17 09:29:00 -
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You know you can set an expiration date on the API key, right? Or delete it at your own leisure. So basically what you're saying is "Oh no, someone knows what I did for a limited amount of time completely under my control" I just undocked for the first time and someone challenged me to a duel. Wat do? |
Lucas Kell
JSR1 AND GOLDEN GUARDIAN PRODUCTIONS SpaceMonkey's Alliance
3665
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Posted - 2014.07.17 09:42:00 -
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So your API gives out your in game data, which we all knew. You realise this isn't real life, right? Who cares if someone wants to look at what your characters has been doing. If you can't dig out a full API, enjoy being relegated to the ass end of corporations who don't care about awoxing and corp secruity, all so you can keep in game data privileged. lel. The Indecisive Noob - EVE fan blog. Wholesale Trading - The new bulk trading mailing list. Chrysus Industries - Savings made simple!
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Avern
Caldari Provisions Caldari State
3
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Posted - 2014.07.17 10:15:00 -
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Any corp who wants information to the level of my communications with others can get lost, it is a violation of privacy of the person you are communicating with.
Say a friend mentions thinking about leaving his corp that is in alliance with yours then your leader goes "Oh better share this with the corp X leader they have a flight risk" meanwhile it was just a shallow temporary thought and the only reason the information ever came to light of day was because of someone having access to a full api and taking things out of context,
That level of sharing is just wrong, |
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Victor Andall
612
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Posted - 2014.07.17 10:39:00 -
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Avern wrote:Any corp who wants information to the level of my communications with others can get lost, it is a violation of privacy of the person you are communicating with.
Say a friend mentions thinking about leaving his corp that is in alliance with yours then your leader goes "Oh better share this with the corp X leader they have a flight risk" meanwhile it was just a shallow temporary thought and the only reason the information ever came to light of day was because of someone having access to a full api and taking things out of context,
That level of sharing is just wrong,
So don't share. What exactly is even the problem here? Oh no, corporations are asking for information that I can only give them willingly!
How frequent is the situation where you really really really want to be part of a corporation, but you don't want to give them your full API.
It's like a girl saying that she really really really wants to be in a relationship with that guy. His only flaw is that he beats her but he's a standup guy rest of the time. I just undocked for the first time and someone challenged me to a duel. Wat do? |
ChromeStriker
0ne Percent. Odin's Call
741
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Posted - 2014.07.17 10:43:00 -
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As an ex-recruiter i know why a full background check is needed. To those peeps that were worried from a privicy point of view (and weren't hiding something ) i told them to put an expiry date of a week on the api.
Forums etc usually only need a very limited api.... if a full is needed for them... then id be worried lol
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Nicolai Serkanner
Brave Newbies Inc. Brave Collective
128
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Posted - 2014.07.17 10:58:00 -
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Victor Andall wrote:Avern wrote:Any corp who wants information to the level of my communications with others can get lost, it is a violation of privacy of the person you are communicating with.
Say a friend mentions thinking about leaving his corp that is in alliance with yours then your leader goes "Oh better share this with the corp X leader they have a flight risk" meanwhile it was just a shallow temporary thought and the only reason the information ever came to light of day was because of someone having access to a full api and taking things out of context,
That level of sharing is just wrong, So don't share. What exactly is even the problem here? Oh no, corporations are asking for information that I can only give them willingly! How frequent is the situation where you really really really want to be part of a corporation, but you don't want to give them your full API. It's like a girl saying that she really really really wants to be in a relationship with that guy. His only flaw is that he beats her but he's a standup guy rest of the time.
Seriously, you compare an API with beating up people?
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Victor Andall
612
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Posted - 2014.07.17 11:14:00 -
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I don't think you understand how analogies and hyperboles work. I just undocked for the first time and someone challenged me to a duel. Wat do? |
De'Veldrin
Black Serpent Technologies The Unthinkables
2596
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Posted - 2014.07.17 12:23:00 -
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You are in no way required to give anyone any form of an API key at any time for any reason. But we are in no way required to blindly accept you into our corporation.
Speaking as a recruiter, Full APIs are just one tool in the bag of tricks that helps us keep our members assets safe from potential neer do wells. We have a responsibility to our existing members to do whatever is in our power to protect them from the asshats of the cluster. Contrary to what seems to be a popular belief, we are not sitting around reading your evemails in the middle of the night with the curtains closed and our creeper suits on. Frankly, we give less than two fucks who you're talking to on a daily basis. We check it ahead of time because it's one way of weeding out the lazy and the incompetent spies and awoxers before they can be a threat.
There are also some other glorious tools - EveSearch (thanks Chribba!) stores every character you have ever typed on these forums. I just pop over to there enter your name and peruse at my leisure looking for anything that seems inconsistent with your interview. Killboards, evewho, and plain old google are also tools in my box of "Nope, not gonna risk it" during the review proess. MAMBA is recruiting. -áWhen other folks are whining about a lack of content, we go out and create it. The case of Shrodinger's Hotdropper |
Slade Trillgon
Brutor Force Federated
3037
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Posted - 2014.07.17 12:24:00 -
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Titania Hrothgar wrote:Just out of curiosity, I decided to look into what all is granted by a full API. I did a quick google search, found a link to the powerful tools used by corporations to do their background checks, and was appalled at what I saw.
My assets and in which station I'd placed them, my wallet, all my market transactions, where I go, what I do, even granting full access to every notification and mail I send and receive? A full API literally lets someone watch my every move!
It's creepy!
I've now joined the bandwagon of those who refuse to provide a full API. No one shall have that kind of access to my game play experience. I sent an e-mail to my corp providing them with a new API. I hope they understand. It was just way too creepy a thing to have out there....
*shudder*
Just do not enter a corp that requires you to maintain the same API you used for them to vet you.
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S'Way
Bitter Vets
689
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Posted - 2014.07.17 15:07:00 -
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Full API keys make corps feel a lot more secure about who they're recruiting so usually hand out more roles, more access and more info much sooner than they would otherwise. If you're someone the corp should actually be worried about accepting into the ranks then you'll have several accounts just for the purpose of infiltrations and often target "full API" corps for that reason. (the character bazaar even provides a way to offload "burnt" alts afterwards as well). The most successful corps I've known over the years only ask for a limited API because they don't give out roles without good reason, check who has access to important stuff often and assume everyone is a spy.
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Nicolai Serkanner
Brave Newbies Inc. Brave Collective
128
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Posted - 2014.07.17 15:42:00 -
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Victor Andall wrote:I don't think you understand how analogies and hyperboles work.
I think you don't understand how analogies and hyperboles work. |
B Scripts
Serious Legitimate Hauling and Trade Corporation
11
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Posted - 2014.07.17 15:54:00 -
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If you had nothing to hide, you wouldn't mind sharing.
/NSA |
Alavaria Fera
GoonWaffe
6231
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Posted - 2014.07.17 15:57:00 -
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You know, actually... huh give API for all my alts but never checked what is in it, hmm...
Nothing in communications (because we don't use evemail i guess), nothing on wallet&market either. ^^ Delicious goon ((tech nerf, siphon, drone assist, supercap)) tears.
Taking a wrecking ball to the futile hopes and broken dreams of skillless blobbers. |
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