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Yokubou
The Dudehole
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Posted - 2014.07.17 03:48:00 -
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After a month of training I finally can fly a Loki. Problem is I don't have a good fit. I'm stuck on what I really want to do with it. IE group ganking or a cloaky loki. Anyone have a good fit they're willing to share with me? I can't really move forward until I have a good fit
heres one I had in mind
[Loki, t] Federation Navy Energized Adaptive Nano Membrane Centum A-Type Energized Kinetic Membrane Centum A-Type Energized Explosive Membrane 1600mm Reinforced Rolled Tungsten Plates I Internal Force Field Array I Federation Navy Energized Adaptive Nano Membrane
Corelum C-Type 10MN Afterburner Republic Fleet Warp Disruptor Federation Navy Stasis Webifier Federation Navy Stasis Webifier
650mm Artillery Cannon II, Republic Fleet EMP M 650mm Artillery Cannon II, Republic Fleet EMP M 650mm Artillery Cannon II, Republic Fleet EMP M 650mm Artillery Cannon II, Republic Fleet EMP M 650mm Artillery Cannon II, Republic Fleet EMP M 650mm Artillery Cannon II, Republic Fleet EMP M
Medium Trimark Armor Pump II Medium Trimark Armor Pump II Medium Trimark Armor Pump II
Loki Defensive - Adaptive Augmenter Loki Electronics - Immobility Drivers Loki Propulsion - Chassis Optimization Loki Offensive - Projectile Scoping Array Loki Engineering - Power Core Multiplier
Hornet EC-300 x5 Hornet EC-300 x5
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Syrias Bizniz
Zebra Corp The Bastion
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Posted - 2014.07.17 07:48:00 -
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First things first:
Federation Navy Energized Adaptive Nano Membranes are ****, ****, and nothing but ****. Whenever looking at passive faction armor modules, you should only look at Amarr-Themed ones. Imperial Navy, Blood Raider, True Sansha, Khanid and Ammatar. The latter 2 are probably more expensive than the rest. For DEADSPACE and ACTIVE stuff, everything's viable again.
2: You don't have any damage mod. Even in a refined version of your fit, you'd end up with 260 dps.
3: To play out your range, try reducing the falloff you are in, or maximize your falloff range. With your guns, you're already in more than half of falloff, which is not bad at all, but would reduce your DPS even further by roughly 25-30%.
4: Probably just my personal preference, but at least i wouldn't like putting a ship that expensive into PvP when my only GTFO is 2 webs and i'm all buffer. The moment second (or third) guy enters grid, and given your DPS how likely that is, you might end up being space-toast quite fast. Consider going with a MWD and / or active tank.
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Yokubou
The Dudehole
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Posted - 2014.07.17 10:21:00 -
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Syrias Bizniz wrote:First things first:
Federation Navy Energized Adaptive Nano Membranes are ****, ****, and nothing but ****. Whenever looking at passive faction armor modules, you should only look at Amarr-Themed ones. Imperial Navy, Blood Raider, True Sansha, Khanid and Ammatar. The latter 2 are probably more expensive than the rest. For DEADSPACE and ACTIVE stuff, everything's viable again.
2: You don't have any damage mod. Even in a refined version of your fit, you'd end up with 260 dps.
3: To play out your range, try reducing the falloff you are in, or maximize your falloff range. With your guns, you're already in more than half of falloff, which is not bad at all, but would reduce your DPS even further by roughly 25-30%.
4: Probably just my personal preference, but at least i wouldn't like putting a ship that expensive into PvP when my only GTFO is 2 webs and i'm all buffer. The moment second (or third) guy enters grid, and given your DPS how likely that is, you might end up being space-toast quite fast. Consider going with a MWD and / or active tank.
Yea I kinda just threw it together, I kinda like the idea of a cloaky loki but arent they kind of squishy (paper thin) ? |
Anize Oramara
EVE Protection Agency Bloodline.
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Posted - 2014.07.17 10:35:00 -
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cloaky lokies are only really used in group pvp or for hot dropping and in many cases a rapier is superior. fleet lokis are generally used for their webs and high ppssible tank and not really their dps though they can get good applied dps at mid to long range. probably makes good if a bit expensive heavy tackle though long scram prot prolly does it better.
prots, legions and even tengus probably make better solo boats but I guess lokis can be made to work as well. ac's might be better for a solo boat?
ive only flown loki myself and only in fleet or exploration setups. |
Yokubou
The Dudehole
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Posted - 2014.07.17 10:47:00 -
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201k ehp with full slave set, not sure it's lock time but heres a screen shot of it in EFT
http://gyazo.com/2c8c88f4dcad009b827fd4fc1dd03b43
think its any good? for a tackler that is
[Loki, tank loki] Damage Control II Federation Navy Energized Adaptive Nano Membrane Corpum C-Type Energized Kinetic Membrane Corpum C-Type Energized Explosive Membrane Federation Navy 1600mm Reinforced Steel Plates Federation Navy Energized Adaptive Nano Membrane
Federation Navy Stasis Webifier Federation Navy Stasis Webifier Republic Fleet Warp Disruptor Corelum C-Type 10MN Afterburner
220mm Vulcan AutoCannon II, EMP M 220mm Vulcan AutoCannon II, EMP M 220mm Vulcan AutoCannon II, EMP M 220mm Vulcan AutoCannon II, EMP M 220mm Vulcan AutoCannon II, EMP M 220mm Vulcan AutoCannon II, EMP M
Medium Trimark Armor Pump II Medium Trimark Armor Pump II Medium Trimark Armor Pump II
Loki Defensive - Adaptive Augmenter Loki Electronics - Immobility Drivers Loki Engineering - Power Core Multiplier Loki Offensive - Projectile Scoping Array Loki Propulsion - Chassis Optimization |
Moore McRay
Goober Hive
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Posted - 2014.07.17 11:05:00 -
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It really depends on you PvP habbits... do you fly blobs or small gang/solo?, do you have logi support? Are you HS, LS, 0.0 or WH the fit changes accordingly.
i'd loose the DC II for a RFG since t3 hulls with armor buffer don't benefit that much of it (cruiser hull HP) and you lack a lot of dps
Use t2 plate for more HP
and you can actually 100MN fit it instead of 10mn but it might require more skills for you...
o7 fly safe |
Yokubou
The Dudehole
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Posted - 2014.07.17 11:11:00 -
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Moore McRay wrote:It really depends on you PvP habbits... do you fly blobs or small gang/solo?, do you have logi support? Are you HS, LS, 0.0 or WH the fit changes accordingly.
i'd loose the DC II for a RFG since t3 hulls with armor buffer don't benefit that much of it (cruiser hull HP) and you lack a lot of dps
Use t2 plate for more HP
and you can actually 100MN fit it instead of 10mn but it might require more skills for you...
o7 fly safe
I have no idea what a RFG is but I changed the plated and got quite a bit more hp out of it. I never pvp to be honest I just work IRL all the time and dont play much so I just wanna have fun and mess around with a good fit loki. So maybe the group fit isnt such a good idea because I wont really do much group pvp at all |
Daniel Plain
Science and Trade Institute Caldari State
2081
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Posted - 2014.07.17 11:15:00 -
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republic fleet gyrostabilizer
"I don't troll, I just give overly blunt responses that annoy people who are wrong but don't want to admit it. It's not my fault that people have sensitive feelings" -MXZF |
Yokubou
The Dudehole
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Posted - 2014.07.17 11:18:00 -
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Daniel Plain wrote:republic fleet gyrostabilizer Ah ok I lost 30k hp for swapping but ghot around 100 more dps |
Moore McRay
Goober Hive
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Posted - 2014.07.17 11:21:00 -
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The abreviation is hardly used tho my bad :)
If you fly solo i would go for a cloaky loki but then again you picked the worst one to fly solo IMO t3s are modular yes but the web bonus makes it a strong fleetship espacially for t3 armour gangs. but i guess you could still roll with a cloaky in your face loki but that's not my pair of shoes |
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Lan Wang
Coreli Corporation Ineluctable.
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Posted - 2014.07.18 11:56:00 -
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instalocking loki is quite good fun allbeit its more of a fleet ship but the resists and ehp it can do is quite crazy, faction web and point is kinda a must for any fit EVEALON Creative --áLogo Design | Killboard Banners | -áWeb Design | Website Graphics -á
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Burnz Andven
Lincoln Corporation Independent Stars Allied Forces
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Posted - 2014.07.19 10:50:00 -
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I currently fly a loki to do lvl 4s in as like you im working and sometimes just want abit of fun and to make some isk in the process. I would say i wouldnt use it for pvp as it could get expensive for the modules you want to use. If you do decide to use it for missions you will actually have to fly it rather than sitting there tanking everything in the pocket, this isnt a cue to start debating whats best for lvl 4 missions just stating what i use mine for. Depends really what you want to. I will say i have fun in mine and glad i trained for it, intially i couldnt get the right fit but after looking into it im more than happy now. |
Yokubou
The Dudehole
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Posted - 2014.07.19 11:47:00 -
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bump still cant find a good fit |
xpl0de
Dissident Aggressors Mordus Angels
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Posted - 2014.07.19 18:04:00 -
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Sorry OP but a pilot with no pvp experience flying an expensive ship = nice shiny killmail. Particularly with larger ships. Ur gonna loose that loki, and not in some glorious fight to the death. If you really wanna do solo cruisers, go fit a stabber fleet and learn to fly that. After loosing a couple dozen and knowing the ropes, jump to a cynie or vaga. |
Yokubou
The Dudehole
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Posted - 2014.07.19 18:19:00 -
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xpl0de wrote:Sorry OP but a pilot with no pvp experience flying an expensive ship = nice shiny killmail. Particularly with larger ships. Ur gonna loose that loki, and not in some glorious fight to the death. If you really wanna do solo cruisers, go fit a stabber fleet and learn to fly that. After loosing a couple dozen and knowing the ropes, jump to a cynie or vaga. Hey, I have a cynabal but couldn't find a good fit either lol I struggled to balance kiting vs being super squishy and apply enough pressure |
Anize Oramara
EVE Protection Agency Bloodline.
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Posted - 2014.07.21 07:53:00 -
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the loki is the weakest of the t3s. yes the legion isnt exactly stellar but even it has quite a few things that make it better in many cases over the loki.
That said it has a lot going for it both in pvp and pve but not solo in either of those areas. there is a lot of intetesting ways to fit it and after having had a lot of unique problems that needed ships to answers those problems ive found that the loki is extremely adaptable.
for this exact reason my advice would be to stop asking other people for fits on this particular ship and get stuck into eft and really get to know what each subsystem does. while a prot can do a lot of things with a single setup because its a bit on the op side, the loki needs to be custom built and rebuilt for each specific task to make it function satisfactorily.
I can however give you a few tips on things ive noticed.
the loki is super flexible in that it can be either shield or armor tanked for either pvp or pve. if you are having trouble getting a fit to work, start a new build and switch from armor to shield tanking or vise versa. the large cap battery can make a huge difference on ac fits. cruiser hulls are the best hulls to fit a cap battery on. remember to fit the right prop sub for the right prop mod you want to use. remember that you can refit subs in space with a depo. ive found its not really feasible to try it with more than two subs though (covops and nully for example). dont be married to the web sub, especially in pve. the extra mid the scanning sub gives can make a huge difference. dont expect amazing dps numbers. only the laser legion and maybe hm tengu gets less dps (but with amazing projection for both). the covops sub is useless to fight in unlike the prot's covops sub except for a blops bait drop kind of fit. the arties are heavily dependant on using the right ammo in the right situation. get to know the differences! learn to love barrage.
lastly I would strongly echo the recommendation to learn how to solo fight in these kinds of ships on a cheaper hull like a fleet stabber before pointlessly loosing a fit worth 5 or 6 times as much. |
Danny John-Peter
Snuff Box
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Posted - 2014.07.21 08:25:00 -
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Basically the only reason to use a Loki is for heavy web support, shield fits are meh since the TE nerf and soloing in brick armour TIIIs is just bad, however they are excellent gang support, I use the following fits;
[Loki, arty] Internal Force Field Array I Corelum C-Type Energized Explosive Membrane Corelum C-Type Energized Kinetic Membrane 1600mm Reinforced Steel Plates II True Sansha Energized Adaptive Nano Membrane Republic Fleet Gyrostabilizer
Republic Fleet 10MN Afterburner Federation Navy Stasis Webifier Federation Navy Stasis Webifier Republic Fleet Warp Disruptor
720mm Howitzer Artillery II, Republic Fleet Phased Plasma M 720mm Howitzer Artillery II, Republic Fleet Phased Plasma M 720mm Howitzer Artillery II, Republic Fleet Phased Plasma M 720mm Howitzer Artillery II, Republic Fleet Phased Plasma M 720mm Howitzer Artillery II, Republic Fleet Phased Plasma M 720mm Howitzer Artillery II, Republic Fleet Phased Plasma M
Medium Ancillary Current Router I Medium Trimark Armor Pump II Medium Trimark Armor Pump II
Loki Defensive - Adaptive Augmenter Loki Electronics - Immobility Drivers Loki Engineering - Power Core Multiplier Loki Offensive - Turret Concurrence Registry Loki Propulsion - Fuel Catalyst
This fit has decent alpha and provides tackle, with 194k EHP with MG Slaves and Links (You have those right?). Its excellent for small-mid size gangs with logistics support, if you have reliable cap transfer you can go for active hardeners.
[Loki, Heavy] Internal Force Field Array I True Sansha Armor Explosive Hardener True Sansha Armor Kinetic Hardener Imperial Navy Energized Adaptive Nano Membrane 1600mm Reinforced Rolled Tungsten Plates I 1600mm Reinforced Steel Plates II
Republic Fleet 10MN Afterburner Republic Fleet Target Painter Republic Fleet Target Painter Federation Navy Stasis Webifier Federation Navy Stasis Webifier
280mm Howitzer Artillery II, Republic Fleet EMP S Covert Ops Cloaking Device II Imperial Navy Medium EMP Smartbomb Auto Targeting System II Cynosural Field Generator I
Medium Trimark Armor Pump II Medium Trimark Armor Pump II Medium Trimark Armor Pump II
Loki Defensive - Adaptive Augmenter Loki Electronics - Immobility Drivers Loki Engineering - Supplemental Coolant Injector Loki Offensive - Covert Reconfiguration Loki Propulsion - Fuel Catalyst
This is the second fit, it has 364K EHP with Slaves and Links and provides excellent painting and webbing support, suitable for heavy BS fleets or Dreads fleets where your DPS in an arty Loki isnt that important or in high alpha situations where you need a lot of buffer.
I did solo in some shield fits but they are garbage post TE nerf, so dont bother. |
Stitch Kaneland
Tribal Liberation Force Minmatar Republic
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Posted - 2014.07.21 16:58:00 -
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http://eve.battleclinic.com/loadout/68168-Loki-Hailmary.html
Thats one of my loki fits. Very fun to fly. Beware of frig blob though. You could drop one CDFE II for a ancil current router to fit a medium neut for slightly better frig defense. EHP drops from ~40k to like 34k if you do that though.
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