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Robert Sawyer
NERV Reborn Independent Stars Allied Forces
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Posted - 2014.07.17 10:33:00 -
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Hello all :) I'm a miner by heart, and I just got myself a Procurer. Skills will finish training soon enough. Now, I need some help on a little comparison. I live in nullsec, a profitable life indeed. In my Venture, I make about 10M ISK for every 3 hours of mining stuff like Dark Ochre, Hedbergite etc. Since I live in the middle of nowhere, goods are hard to come across, and we usually get our ships / blueprints from a local dealer. So, I went to see the dealer and I ended up coming home with a Procurer. Let's switch to the theory now. I plan to equip it with a T1 Strip Miner and low-slot mining upgrade (and a small fleet boost). My skills in mining are: Mining IV, Astrogeology IV. Now, let's say I'm out mining in a Procurer, getting some Hedbergite. How many millions per hour will I make (I honestly don't know, my skills are not ready yet, need a Procurer user to help me out here :P)?
Ship comparison time. (Mining) Is the Retriever a better choice than the Procurer or not? Is the Retriever too squishy? (PvP) I'm saving up my resources for building a Raven. Is it worth it or should I find myself another ship?
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Schmata Bastanold
Black Rebel Rifter Club The Devil's Tattoo
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Posted - 2014.07.17 10:40:00 -
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Ehm...
EFT/EveHQ/pyfa for fittings and comparisons, Isk Per Hour for calculating your (potential) income.
And if you are in null where you can spot hostiles from miles before they even think about undocking there's no point to NOT go for max yield. Procurer/skiff are awesome in hisec where ganks happen left and right, in you case I would only fit as much tank as you need to fend off rats with drones. Unless you don't trust your blues but that's totally different matter :)
Just my opinion. Eve Online Overview Wizard: https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=358845&find=unread
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Tonai Kion
Gendry's Leech Nerfed Alliance Go Away
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Posted - 2014.07.17 10:41:00 -
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Well I'm not sure what Hed would bring in, but when I was flying my Proc in High Sec, without boosts, and similar skills I could bring in about 2 mil every 12 minutes.
If you are solo mining in Null, and have some decent drone skills, the rats won't be too much of a problem for you if you fly a proc. The nice thing about the proc is it's a formidable combat ship in its own right. just remember to keep an eye on local and safe up when you see reds. You don't have the +2 warp core strength to protect you, you align slower and a barge is a much more tempting target than a Venture is. Good luck sir! |
Yarda Black
Epidemic. Nulli Secunda
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Posted - 2014.07.17 11:00:00 -
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first of all; hurray for being in nullsec!
What you make per hour mining depends on what price you sell your ore for. Since the changes to refining, you may wanna hook up with good refiners and find yourself a bulk buyer for your minerals. I would suggest you stock up while you try to get a feeling for what a good price would be. |
Blobskillz McBlub
STAHLSTURM
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Posted - 2014.07.17 11:04:00 -
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dont even think about doing PvP in a raven. First of all your skills are awful and all you'd do is produce a funny lossmail. Second, the raven is awful for pvp. So dont waste your money on that and get a nice little cruiser and a couple friends that actually know what they are doing. |
Katrina Oniseki
Revenent Defence Corperation Ishuk-Raata Enforcement Directive
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Posted - 2014.07.17 11:17:00 -
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If you're new to PvP, don't start with a battleship you saved all your money for. Even if it's a great PvP battleship (which the Raven is not), you'd still risk losing everything after one botched fight.
Spend that money on a ton of T1 frigates, and dedicate yourself to losing them all. Try to kill as many reds as you can before you run out of frigates. Ch+½j+ì Katrina Oniseki ~ (RDC) Chief Operations Officer ~ [I-RED] Director of Public Relations |
Schmata Bastanold
Black Rebel Rifter Club The Devil's Tattoo
2151
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Posted - 2014.07.17 11:27:00 -
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I just checked in Eve ISK Per Hour and a proc with t1 miner and t1 upgrades and your skills without any boosts and without refining shows up almost 10mil/h with Jita prices imported. Using T2 mods and crystals bumps it up to 12 mil/h. And if you would have a hauler and almost perfect orca with t2 links and implant (I used my own orca settings) potential income goes up to 21 mil/h. And to gauge your greed even more using hulk would clock you at 36 mil/hr :) Eve Online Overview Wizard: https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=358845&find=unread
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Gallowmere Rorschach
Enlightened Industries Goonswarm Federation
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Posted - 2014.07.17 14:19:00 -
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Schmata Bastanold wrote:I just checked in Eve ISK Per Hour and a proc with t1 miner and t1 upgrades and your skills without any boosts and without refining shows up almost 10mil/h with Jita prices imported. Using T2 mods and crystals bumps it up to 12 mil/h. And if you would have a hauler and almost perfect orca with t2 links and implant (I used my own orca settings) potential income goes up to 21 mil/h. And to gauge your greed even more using hulk would clock you at 36 mil/hr :) As someone who has never really mined much, thank you for this. Makes me glad I never bothered. Holy ****, that's terrible income. |
Cidanel Afuran
Nova Wolves Apocalypse Now.
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Posted - 2014.07.17 14:23:00 -
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Robert Sawyer wrote:Hello all :) I'm a miner by heart, and I just got myself a Procurer. Skills will finish training soon enough. Now, I need some help on a little comparison. I live in nullsec, a profitable life indeed. In my Venture, I make about 10M ISK for every 3 hours of mining stuff like Dark Ochre, Hedbergite etc. Since I live in the middle of nowhere, goods are hard to come across, and we usually get our ships / blueprints from a local dealer. So, I went to see the dealer and I ended up coming home with a Procurer. Let's switch to the theory now. I plan to equip it with a T1 Strip Miner and low-slot mining upgrade (and a small fleet boost). My skills in mining are: Mining IV, Astrogeology IV. Now, let's say I'm out mining in a Procurer, getting some Hedbergite. How many millions per hour will I make (I honestly don't know, my skills are not ready yet, need a Procurer user to help me out here :P)?
Ship comparison time. (Mining) Is the Retriever a better choice than the Procurer or not? Is the Retriever too squishy? (PvP) I'm saving up my resources for building a Raven. Is it worth it or should I find myself another ship?
Please help.
I am in a similar boat to you (newer, living in null), and would just advise that you don't sell your ore (if that is what you are doing). Find a decent industrialist and work out a deal where you supply the ore for them. It will be a lot more profitable for you, and will start to hook you up with some more experienced players. |
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ISD Ezwal
ISD Community Communications Liaisons
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Posted - 2014.07.17 14:44:00 -
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This thread has been moved to Science & Industry. ISD Ezwal Captain Community Communication Liaisons (CCLs) Interstellar Services Department |
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Robert Sawyer
NERV Reborn Independent Stars Allied Forces
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Posted - 2014.07.17 15:36:00 -
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Gallowmere Rorschach wrote:As someone who has never really mined much, thank you for this. Makes me glad I never bothered. Holy ****, that's terrible income.
What the hell is your problem? If you think that you have a "better" source of income, please share it with us. At least players like us make a decent coin and we don't go so low as to suicide gank, you damn Goon. |
Lilith Shea
The Scope Gallente Federation
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Posted - 2014.07.17 15:47:00 -
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Gallowmere Rorschach wrote:Schmata Bastanold wrote:I just checked in Eve ISK Per Hour and a proc with t1 miner and t1 upgrades and your skills without any boosts and without refining shows up almost 10mil/h with Jita prices imported. Using T2 mods and crystals bumps it up to 12 mil/h. And if you would have a hauler and almost perfect orca with t2 links and implant (I used my own orca settings) potential income goes up to 21 mil/h. And to gauge your greed even more using hulk would clock you at 36 mil/hr :) As someone who has never really mined much, thank you for this. Makes me glad I never bothered. Holy ****, that's terrible income.
It takes a certain kind of person to be a miner for a career. I personally am pulling about 50m /hour solo mining in high sec with a hulk, no boosts, no hauler. not the greatest income but there's just a zen feeling you get from stripping a field completely |
Schmata Bastanold
Black Rebel Rifter Club The Devil's Tattoo
2157
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Posted - 2014.07.17 17:11:00 -
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Gallowmere Rorschach wrote:As someone who has never really mined much, thank you for this. Makes me glad I never bothered. Holy ****, that's terrible income.
Yep, that 36mil/h with hulk is basically what I made with duo sentry domis per tick in null anoms few months ago. And that is no way really how high you can go with anoms in null. Of course right now wh guy will drop in and say he makes 1bil per tick :)
But it still suck in comparison to PLEX which is how I fund myself leaving me free to do whatever I want :)
Lilith Shea wrote: It takes a certain kind of person to be a miner for a career. I personally am pulling about 50m /hour solo mining in high sec with a hulk, no boosts, no hauler. not the greatest income but there's just a zen feeling you get from stripping a field completely
For sake of OP's mind it would be nice of you to mention it's mining ice not ore :) Eve Online Overview Wizard: Forum thread Homepage
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Laura Belle
The Scope Gallente Federation
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Posted - 2014.07.17 20:10:00 -
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Hey. about stocking ore u can enter the channel of ore and minerals and seek for a bulk buyer. He will be happy to have a steedy supply from you.
As a T1 industialist in the past (now I do more T2) i was looking for such folks as long as i didnt need to get myself to null.
maybe its a matter pf personality, even when I had 3bil in wallet , loosing a battleship seemed like a big loss for me. take the advices for T1 frigs and 1-2 T1 cruisers. if u get ur skills up, you may wanna ass some T2 frigs (20mil-ish isk/per) for more explicit performance when needed. but not before u get both ur character skill and player skills in pvp up.
i can tell about maself that even though i have a small fleet of pvp ships im not a pvp player in personality. if that's your case too, you may prefer to work with a blue combat ship securing you. |
Andrew Indy
Four Pillar Production Headshot Gaming
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Posted - 2014.07.18 08:27:00 -
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Schmata Bastanold wrote:Lilith Shea wrote: It takes a certain kind of person to be a miner for a career. I personally am pulling about 50m /hour solo mining in high sec with a hulk, no boosts, no hauler. not the greatest income but there's just a zen feeling you get from stripping a field completely
For sake of OP's mind it would be nice of you to mention it's mining ice not ore :)
Also ice mining is not a 23.5/7 income. Most ice runs out after a hour so you could take that income and divided by 5 (unless you like hauling ass between systems all the time and even then you would only be mining half the time at most. )
PS, people often forget to include all of the other time they spend setting up ect. (Closing and rolling WHs in WH space, scanning for plexes in K space, travelling to missions ect ect. )
I could personally say that I have made 3 bil / hour running 1/10 sites in low sec . It take 7 shots (like 1-2 minutes) from my Auto wolf to finish and I have made up to 120mil from a site. Assuming I don't include all of the time I don't have sites to run or the drops are bad.
PS, a retrieve mines at about the same rate as a procure but has a much bigger hold, a Coverter mines faster than both but has a small ore hold. Both have way less tank than the Procurer. |
Axure Abbacus
Pentex Subsidiaries Corp
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Posted - 2014.07.19 22:10:00 -
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As others have said, the pvp raven is a bad idea. Take the isk and fit stacks frigates or cruisers. You can lose 300 mil in a minute or a month depending on what you fly. |
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