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Avern
Caldari Provisions Caldari State
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Posted - 2014.07.17 11:15:00 -
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Hi
I want to make a blockade runner for if my main is in a situation where I cannot go and get goods myself, be it being with a corp at war, bad sec status, dangerous areas whatever. I don't want to maintain two subscriptions so would take advantage of dual training.
What would be the best I could do with a months training ? |
Daniel Plain
Science and Trade Institute Caldari State
2081
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Posted - 2014.07.17 11:16:00 -
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i don't think one month of training will cut it. anything you may get into in such a short time will die horribly, even in lowsec.
"I don't troll, I just give overly blunt responses that annoy people who are wrong but don't want to admit it. It's not my fault that people have sensitive feelings" -MXZF |
Avern
Caldari Provisions Caldari State
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Posted - 2014.07.17 11:24:00 -
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I see there is a summer sale, would you then recommend say a 3 month ($30) subscription and then character transfer after ? I am looking at when it comes to cost what would be the best option. |
Syrias Bizniz
Zebra Corp The Bastion
318
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Posted - 2014.07.17 11:27:00 -
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Avern wrote:I see there is a summer sale, would you then recommend say a 3 month ($30) subscription and then character transfer after ? I am looking at when it comes to cost what would be the best option.
The character transfer is another 2 PLEX or 20 bucks, so i wouldn't do that.
Get dual training running, and if necessary, do it for another month. |
Avern
Caldari Provisions Caldari State
5
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Posted - 2014.07.17 11:47:00 -
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Great now the question is... race/ship ? |
Grainsalt
6-10s Northern Associates.
197
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Posted - 2014.07.17 11:48:00 -
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I don't think there is too much of difference anymore. |
Praxis Ginimic
Whine T3ar Brewery Blood.Drunk
825
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Posted - 2014.07.17 11:50:00 -
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Any of them can fit a cruiser...
On the subject of dual training however, eve is all about the long game. Man up and just pause training on your main for a little while. |
Daniel Plain
Science and Trade Institute Caldari State
2081
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Posted - 2014.07.17 11:56:00 -
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there is hardly any difference between the four blockade runners. pick the one you find prettiest.
"I don't troll, I just give overly blunt responses that annoy people who are wrong but don't want to admit it. It's not my fault that people have sensitive feelings" -MXZF |
Ralph King-Griffin
Lords.Of.Midnight The Devil's Warrior Alliance
2919
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Posted - 2014.07.17 12:03:00 -
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the amarr one because lowslots
"Confirming EVE is hot, batshit crazy, and puts out." -Omar Alharazaad "CAKE CANNOT HOLD UP TO BEING A CHARACTER DAMNIT." --áUnsuccessful At Everything |
Avern
Caldari Provisions Caldari State
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Posted - 2014.07.17 12:06:00 -
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Praxis Ginimic wrote:Any of them can fit a cruiser...
On the subject of dual training however, eve is all about the long game. Man up and just pause training on your main for a little while.
Whilst normally I could understand this my character is at a turning point to low/null sec and exploration instead of mission running so I have about 2 months worth of training to a well skilled well fit tengu explorer. My patience isnt that high :) |
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Derath Ellecon
Washburne Holdings Situation: Normal
2292
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Posted - 2014.07.17 13:58:00 -
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As others said, 1 month isn't quite enough. But 2 months should be fine. |
Avern
Caldari Provisions Caldari State
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Posted - 2014.07.17 14:28:00 -
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Thanks guys
Went for the separate account, $10 for a extra month worth of skills and I save $35 if I wish to keep it going indefinitely (As subscription is cheaper than dual running I would transfer it to a separate account)
Who knows, it may end up being a jump freighter pilot. |
nahjustwarpin
SUPER DUPER SPACE TRUCKS
139
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Posted - 2014.07.17 14:41:00 -
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one month is enough to get a newbie to a t2 covops hauler with cybernetics 1 and remap.
PS there's a price for character transfer - 2 plexes. But i believe you'll find out playing with 2 accounts is better and train normal character on your second account and keep hauler mostly logged off in jita. |
Avern
Caldari Provisions Caldari State
5
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Posted - 2014.07.17 16:24:00 -
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Just thought I'd update times from evemon
Remapped to Electronics/Memory - Fit = 19days Remapped to Ship Skills = 22days
Ship: Prorator Implants: Fill basic
Fit: Covert Ops Cloaking Device II
ECM Burst II 10MN Micro Warp Drive II
Nanofiber Internal Structure II Nanofiber Internal Structure II Nanofiber Internal Structure II Energized adaptive nano membrane II
Medium Low Friction Joints II Medium Low Friction Joints II
Going to Spend 1 Month on electronics and supporting skills then another for ship skills, that gives me a month to mess around aftwards with bits and pieces. |
Trisha Landers
Science and Trade Institute Caldari State
13
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Posted - 2014.07.17 19:31:00 -
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I'd actually suggest going for a Viator since Gallente have most of the specialized T1 haulers as well. (Epithal, Kryos, and Miasmos)
Also while you're training for the Blockade runner, a Nereus is an excellent transport ship.
Quote:[Nereus, Nereus Fit]
F85 Peripheral Damage System I Local Hull Conversion Inertial Stabilizers I Local Hull Conversion Inertial Stabilizers I Warp Core Stabilizer I Warp Core Stabilizer I
Limited Adaptive Invulnerability Field I Limited Adaptive Invulnerability Field I Upgraded EM Ward Amplifier I Large F-S9 Regolith Shield Induction Large F-S9 Regolith Shield Induction
Improved Cloaking Device II [Empty High slot]
Medium Ancillary Current Router I Medium Hyperspatial Velocity Optimizer I Medium Hyperspatial Velocity Optimizer I
Warrior II x6
You can swap the lows around for cargo expanders if you need to. |
Goldensaver
Lom Corporation Brothers of Tangra
406
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Posted - 2014.07.17 20:00:00 -
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Trisha Landers wrote:
Also while you're training for the Blockade runner, a Nereus is an excellent transport murder ship.
FTFY.
But yeah, given the choice I'd say Gallente because of their T1 haulers, the freighter option is good (ANP Obelisk) and aside from that the differences are negligible. The cargoholds on the BRs are pretty much all the same (or close enough to not matter), so all's good there. |
Dally Lama
Republic University Minmatar Republic
84
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Posted - 2014.07.18 04:35:00 -
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Ralph King-Griffin wrote:the amarr one because lowslots
Listen to this guy.
The only thing you want for stealth hauling are low slots and rig slots. Meds are borderline useless. New Fitting Window | Distances above 10km | Maximums for buy orders |
Dally Lama
Republic University Minmatar Republic
84
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Posted - 2014.07.18 04:37:00 -
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Trisha Landers wrote:I'd actually suggest going for a Viator since Gallente have most of the specialized T1 haulers as well. (Epithal, Kryos, and Miasmos) Also while you're training for the Blockade runner, a Nereus is an excellent transport ship. Quote:[Nereus, Nereus Fit]
F85 Peripheral Damage System I Local Hull Conversion Inertial Stabilizers I Local Hull Conversion Inertial Stabilizers I Warp Core Stabilizer I Warp Core Stabilizer I
Limited Adaptive Invulnerability Field I Limited Adaptive Invulnerability Field I Upgraded EM Ward Amplifier I Large F-S9 Regolith Shield Induction Large F-S9 Regolith Shield Induction
Improved Cloaking Device II [Empty High slot]
Medium Ancillary Current Router I Medium Hyperspatial Velocity Optimizer I Medium Hyperspatial Velocity Optimizer I
Warrior II x6 You can swap the lows around for cargo expanders if you need to. Nice fit, personally though I'd swap out the WCS and iStabs and fit PDUs instead. Will add more EHP and should give you enough PG to ditch the ACR thus freeing up a rig slot.
EDIT: Ditching the WCS and iStabs because 3 x Disrupter Moa, which can also lock you anyways before you align out even with iStabs. Also 2 x gankers on gate makes them both moot as well. New Fitting Window | Distances above 10km | Maximums for buy orders |
Ireland VonVicious
Vicious Trading Company
335
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Posted - 2014.07.18 05:42:00 -
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Improved cloak Medium RR shield rep
3 invulns 2 Large extenders
DC 3 x PDS 1 Inertia stabilizer.
1 EM rig 2 extender rigs.
Hornets and Light ECM drones. (( Biggest shield pools ))
Everything T2.
60 k health with ability to rep drones until you kill something or use the ECM to bug out. Hard to gank when in high sec. All you get is cloak and one inertia to help with avoiding fights in the first place but hey the ship is cheap and can't expect Blockade runner performance. |
baltec1
Bat Country Goonswarm Federation
12393
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Posted - 2014.07.18 06:58:00 -
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[Prorator, Prorator fit]
Inertia Stabilizers II Inertia Stabilizers II Inertia Stabilizers II Inertia Stabilizers II
Experimental 10MN Microwarpdrive I [Empty Med slot]
Covert Ops Cloaking Device II [Empty High slot]
Medium Hyperspatial Velocity Optimizer II Medium Hyperspatial Velocity Optimizer II
Slot in a high grade Ascendancy implant set and a WS-618 hardwire and you get:
18 AU/sec 2.89 second Align time 1847 m/s 3.63km3 cargo
Aim for this as your goal. Join Bat Country today and defend the Glorious Socialist Dictatorship |
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The General Failure
Space Wolves ind.
0
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Posted - 2014.07.18 07:19:00 -
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baltec1 wrote:[Prorator, Prorator fit]
Inertia Stabilizers II Inertia Stabilizers II Inertia Stabilizers II Inertia Stabilizers II
Experimental 10MN Microwarpdrive I [Empty Med slot]
Covert Ops Cloaking Device II [Empty High slot]
Medium Hyperspatial Velocity Optimizer II Medium Hyperspatial Velocity Optimizer II
Slot in a high grade Ascendancy implant set and a WS-618 hardwire and you get:
18 AU/sec 2.89 second Align time 1847 m/s 3.63km3 cargo
Aim for this as your goal.
I'd go with nano's instead of Inertia Stabilizers II, they are not as good on aligning part, but your signature doesn't light up like the 4th July. and Nano's make you faster.
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baltec1
Bat Country Goonswarm Federation
12394
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Posted - 2014.07.18 09:14:00 -
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The General Failure wrote:baltec1 wrote:[Prorator, Prorator fit]
Inertia Stabilizers II Inertia Stabilizers II Inertia Stabilizers II Inertia Stabilizers II
Experimental 10MN Microwarpdrive I [Empty Med slot]
Covert Ops Cloaking Device II [Empty High slot]
Medium Hyperspatial Velocity Optimizer II Medium Hyperspatial Velocity Optimizer II
Slot in a high grade Ascendancy implant set and a WS-618 hardwire and you get:
18 AU/sec 2.89 second Align time 1847 m/s 3.63km3 cargo
Aim for this as your goal. I'd go with nano's instead of Inertia Stabilizers II, they are not as good on aligning part, but your signature doesn't light up like the 4th July. and Nano's make you faster.
Sig doesn't matter as you cloak before they can lock you and align time is more important than speed as it gets you into warp faster. Join Bat Country today and defend the Glorious Socialist Dictatorship |
The General Failure
Space Wolves ind.
0
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Posted - 2014.07.18 10:31:00 -
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the signature surplus is bigger than than the time difference in warp.
and whether or not you cloak or don't cloak you will be visible for at least a second, which can be enough if the links are used, especially if you blow up your signature. not to mention the need to undock
If possible fit some resistance amplifiers as well just to survive the occasional smart bomb |
baltec1
Bat Country Goonswarm Federation
12395
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Posted - 2014.07.18 12:19:00 -
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The General Failure wrote:the signature surplus is bigger than than the time difference in warp.
and whether or not you cloak or don't cloak you will be visible for at least a second, which can be enough if the links are used, especially if you blow up your signature. not to mention the need to undock
If possible fit some resistance amplifiers as well just to survive the occasional smart bomb
Fly it right and it is impossible to get a lock before you cloak. Use insta undocks on stations.
Nobody uses smartbombs on gates in high sec so a tank simply isn't needed, fit one if you want but keep the fit as I posted. Flown correctly and this fit is as close to impossible to stop as you can get. Join Bat Country today and defend the Glorious Socialist Dictatorship |
The General Failure
Space Wolves ind.
0
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Posted - 2014.07.18 13:02:00 -
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baltec1 wrote:The General Failure wrote:the signature surplus is bigger than than the time difference in warp.
and whether or not you cloak or don't cloak you will be visible for at least a second, which can be enough if the links are used, especially if you blow up your signature. not to mention the need to undock
If possible fit some resistance amplifiers as well just to survive the occasional smart bomb Fly it right and it is impossible to get a lock before you cloak. Use insta undocks on stations. Nobody uses smartbombs on gates in high sec so a tank simply isn't needed, fit one if you want but keep the fit as I posted. Flown correctly and this fit is as close to impossible to stop as you can get.
Flying it right is only a part of it, lag more than once plays a part in the loss of blockade runners.
Eve is bigger than High sec, he spoke of dangerous area's, if you use that fit for lets say PI in low sec you're going to lose it due to the fact you're easy to lock.
quick look in EFT gives a difference of 0.4 seconds in favor of the 4 inertia stabilizers II with an align time of 2.9 sec. at the cost of 37m signature increase
The Nano fiber structure II gives an align time of 3.3 sec. and a 74m/s speed increase without the 37 m signature increase.
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Avern
Caldari Provisions Caldari State
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Posted - 2014.07.18 13:37:00 -
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This is all about High sec to Nullsec if the danger level wasn't clear enough. |
The General Failure
Space Wolves ind.
0
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Posted - 2014.07.18 13:50:00 -
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In the end the choice is yours.
I've given you the differences in stats between the Nano's and the Inertia's
you should go with what feels best, or try them both, it's not that they are overly expensive.
For me it's the nano's the speed and the low signature win it for me instead of the small align advantage.
I usually have a resistance mod and more than once I use a After burner over a MDW because the only time I need one is when I get tackled and at those times your MDW usually doesn't work. fingers crossed and pray you make it back to the gate. |
Dato Koppla
Elite Guards
654
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Posted - 2014.07.18 14:28:00 -
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To all the guys here saying one month of training isn't enough for a Blockade Runner alt, you're wrong. I trained my alt for a Prorator and it took me only 1 Plex to activate dual character training (with I think 14 hours extra for which I stopped my main training) and it can fit all the goodies like T2 Cargo expanders, T2 Nanos, warp core stabs, shield extenders (meta 4), shield hardeners (meta 4), MWD, T2 cloak/covops cloak etc. Basically everything you'd need for a dedicated hauler.
In fact, recently I've been using an Impel with 4x WCS and 3x Nanos and MWD + Cloak and I have been able to run even the most brutal instalock gatecamps in lowsec with sebo'd Lokis for tackle and even a camp with a HIC. If you know how to do the MWD + Cloak trick correctly you're nigh uncatchable, not to mention you have to be hit with 7 points to be stopped. This allows you to carry even a packaged Battleship around lowsec. Obviously you need instaundock bookmarks on all your relevant stations but those are easy to get. |
baltec1
Bat Country Goonswarm Federation
12395
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Posted - 2014.07.18 16:06:00 -
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The General Failure wrote:baltec1 wrote:The General Failure wrote:the signature surplus is bigger than than the time difference in warp.
and whether or not you cloak or don't cloak you will be visible for at least a second, which can be enough if the links are used, especially if you blow up your signature. not to mention the need to undock
If possible fit some resistance amplifiers as well just to survive the occasional smart bomb Fly it right and it is impossible to get a lock before you cloak. Use insta undocks on stations. Nobody uses smartbombs on gates in high sec so a tank simply isn't needed, fit one if you want but keep the fit as I posted. Flown correctly and this fit is as close to impossible to stop as you can get. Flying it right is only a part of it, lag more than once plays a part in the loss of blockade runners. Eve is bigger than High sec, he spoke of dangerous area's, if you use that fit for lets say PI in low sec you're going to lose it due to the fact you're easy to lock. quick look in EFT gives a difference of 0.4 seconds in favor of the 4 inertia stabilizers II with an align time of 2.9 sec. at the cost of 37m signature increase The Nano fiber structure II gives an align time of 3.3 sec. and a 74m/s speed increase without the 37 m signature increase.
Lag hasn't played a part in EVE for years. If something locks you it is because you messed up. If you are in low sec and null you should be scanning those gates before you warp to them and using perches. I stabs give the best agility and given the cloak the added sig just isn't a problem.
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erg cz
Sliperer
89
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Posted - 2014.07.21 10:31:00 -
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baltec1 wrote:[Prorator, Prorator fit]
Aim for this as your goal.
Nice goal, but not for someone with 1 month of training. Minmatar industrial are better, IMHO, due to agility, speed and cargo.
I would use Wreathe untill you can fly a prowler like this: [Prowler, stealth delivery] Local Hull Conversion Inertial Stabilizers I Local Hull Conversion Inertial Stabilizers I Local Hull Conversion Inertial Stabilizers I
Adaptive Invulnerability Field II Adaptive Invulnerability Field II Experimental 10MN Microwarpdrive I
Covert Ops Cloaking Device II [empty high slot]
Medium Hyperspatial Velocity Optimizer II Medium Hyperspatial Velocity Optimizer II
This Prowler fit will give you much bigger cargo, same agility (well 0,1 sec difference is not recognisable by normal human), smaller signature (harder to hit), better EHP (even cloaked ship can be killed by smartbomb camp).
Wreathe Cloak/MWD fit: [Wreathe, Wreathe: Hauler] Expanded Cargohold II Expanded Cargohold II Damage Control II Local Hull Conversion Nanofiber Structure I Local Hull Conversion Nanofiber Structure I
Adaptive Invulnerability Field II EM Ward Field II Thermic Dissipation Field II Medium Capacitor Battery II Experimental 10MN Microwarpdrive I
Improved Cloaking Device II [empty high slot]
Medium Cargohold Optimization I Medium Low Friction Nozzle Joints I Medium Hyperspatial Velocity Optimizer I
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