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Digital Messiah
Massive Consumption
378
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Posted - 2014.07.17 19:28:00 -
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Why are incursions concord protect sites? it is a sansha invasion shouldn't concord be absent or busy protecting stations etc. I feel if they turned all incursions gate areas into pvp hot beds there would be less shiny and more risk to the reward. Thoughts? Something clever |
Carmen Electra
722
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Posted - 2014.07.17 19:29:00 -
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If you're hoping that pilots would continue to bring their 6B Vindis to run sites, I think you'll be disappointed.
eve is dying |
darmwand
Repo.
220
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Posted - 2014.07.17 19:30:00 -
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Sounds good. They could also just move all incursions to low-sec. "Imagine it is war and everybody cloaks." -- Bienator II |
Scipio Artelius
The Vendunari End of Life
2144
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Posted - 2014.07.17 19:30:00 -
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Go to lowsec if you want to shoot incursion fleets. Come Win At Eve - Join The Vendunari
. -á<- Argue this, not this ->-á( -í-¦ -£-û -í-¦) |
Eleanor Wish
Center for Advanced Studies Gallente Federation
24
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Posted - 2014.07.17 19:36:00 -
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Digital Messiah wrote:Why are incursions concord protect sites? it is a sansha invasion shouldn't concord be absent or busy protecting stations etc. I feel if they turned all incursions gate areas into pvp hot beds there would be less shiny and more risk to the reward. Thoughts?
What a completely original idea! No one's ever asked about removing CONCORD from anything before.... |
Dally Lama
Republic University Minmatar Republic
77
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Posted - 2014.07.17 19:40:00 -
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Scipio Artelius wrote:Go to lowsec if you want to shoot incursion fleets without being Concorded.
However, that aside, the title of your thread is wrong. Incursions already have exactly the same opportunity for pvp as any other system and/or PvE activity. The only thing stopping you is your own lack of commitment. If you want to shoot them in highsec, then shoot them. 1) Because people do lowsec incursions 2) Because CONCORD doesn't exist
New Fitting Window | Distances above 10km | Maximums for buy orders |
Scipio Artelius
The Vendunari End of Life
2145
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Posted - 2014.07.17 19:44:00 -
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Dally Lama wrote:2) Because CONCORD doesn't exist Of course Concord exists. That's the whole point of this stupid thread.
Come Win At Eve - Join The Vendunari
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Kaarous Aldurald
ROC Deep Space The ROC
7998
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Posted - 2014.07.17 19:45:00 -
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Just fix wardecs. The incursion community is one of the most grievous users of dec dodging. That goes away, and you can at least dec them, even if they do have a gazillion logi backing them up.
But hey, lol, people want neutral logi fixed too, don't they? "Verily, I have often laughed at the weaklings who thought themselves good because they had no claws."
Clean Up Local 2014.-á |
Mr Epeen
It's All About Me
5572
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Posted - 2014.07.17 19:49:00 -
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From what I've read, there's plenty of PVP in Incursion sites. Mostly by people not afraid to lose their ships for the satisfaction of obliterating billions of ISK in a matter of seconds.
Mr Epeen There are 86,400 seconds in a day. You just saved one of them by typing 'u' instead of 'you'.-á Congratulations, dumbass! |
Lady Naween
Immortalis Inc. Shadow Cartel
529
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Posted - 2014.07.17 21:52:00 -
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come join us in lowsec. there is an incursion close to avenod atm. |
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JAF Anders
Quantum Cats Syndicate Repeat 0ffenders
258
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Posted - 2014.07.17 21:53:00 -
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Roleplaying should never drive gameplay changes, only accent them. The pursuit of excellence and stabbed plexing alts. |
Herzog Wolfhammer
Sigma Special Tactics Group
5126
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Posted - 2014.07.17 22:53:00 -
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In the live event incursions where were Sansha sympathizers and it was a letdown to see them get boned on the official content Incursion. It would be great to say get a Sansha mission in the incursion systems.
It would have been better to get "PVP" missions too.
For a long time I have stated that one of the biggest missed opportunities to PVP was the incursion content. Rather than having simply PVe content that forced fleet involvement and player interaction (hence the thousands of mission fit wrecks littering the field that day Incursion was released) they could have had sites with PVP elements too, or "opposing mission" elements such like we have seen for factional warfare, the "taking over of a complex" or something along that line.
It would have certainly worked well with the direction of blurring the line between highsec and low/null PVP and aggression-wise (though that vision was not in place at that time).
Dead space zones in incursion systems where "anything goes" would certainly bring the nullsec to highsec incursion systems and help players get their experience too - even with cheap fits.
But instead it's just bored campers and ISK faucets. Oh well. Bring back DEEEEP Space! |
Hasikan Miallok
Republic University Minmatar Republic
976
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Posted - 2014.07.18 00:06:00 -
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Herzog Wolfhammer wrote:In the live event incursions where were Sansha sympathizers and it was a letdown to see them get boned on the official content Incursion. It would be great to say get a Sansha mission in the incursion systems.
It would have been better to get "PVP" missions too.
For a long time I have stated that one of the biggest missed opportunities to PVP was the incursion content. Rather than having simply PVe content that forced fleet involvement and player interaction (hence the thousands of mission fit wrecks littering the field that day Incursion was released) they could have had sites with PVP elements too, or "opposing mission" elements such like we have seen for factional warfare, the "taking over of a complex" or something along that line.
It would have certainly worked well with the direction of blurring the line between highsec and low/null PVP and aggression-wise (though that vision was not in place at that time).
Dead space zones in incursion systems where "anything goes" would certainly bring the nullsec to highsec incursion systems and help players get their experience too - even with cheap fits.
But instead it's just bored campers and ISK faucets. Oh well.
Well incursions do provide an excuse to actual fly bling :D There is nowhere else in EVE where it is sensible. They also give potential future PvPers some valuable experience at fleet ops.
Seems to me though that making incursions more PvP is just going to turn them into a variant of faction war.
Aside from which there ARE incursions in 0.0 its just no one can be bothered running them. If they get run at all its to clear the system becasue the incursion penalties interfere with renter/bluebear ops. |
Val'Dore
PlanetCorp InterStellar
673
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Posted - 2014.07.18 00:15:00 -
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The entire incursion thing makes no sense to me. But then again having concord and faction navies ignoring all these Angel and Serpentis prats blobbing innocent Marauders in high sec, and then evading concord make little sense either.
Consistency is more important than most people think.
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Orin Solette
Omamori Himari Pandora Hearts
5
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Posted - 2014.07.18 07:20:00 -
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There aren't many places where blingy ships can be used in New Eden. Maybe wormhole and 10/10 DED escalations but I've never done those.
Either way, they are still gankable. |
Glathull
Blue Republic RvB - BLUE Republic
457
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Posted - 2014.07.18 07:45:00 -
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Herzog Wolfhammer wrote:In the live event incursions where were Sansha sympathizers and it was a letdown to see them get boned on the official content Incursion. It would be great to say get a Sansha mission in the incursion systems.
It would have been better to get "PVP" missions too.
For a long time I have stated that one of the biggest missed opportunities to PVP was the incursion content. Rather than having simply PVe content that forced fleet involvement and player interaction (hence the thousands of mission fit wrecks littering the field that day Incursion was released) they could have had sites with PVP elements too, or "opposing mission" elements such like we have seen for factional warfare, the "taking over of a complex" or something along that line.
It would have certainly worked well with the direction of blurring the line between highsec and low/null PVP and aggression-wise (though that vision was not in place at that time).
Dead space zones in incursion systems where "anything goes" would certainly bring the nullsec to highsec incursion systems and help players get their experience too - even with cheap fits.
But instead it's just bored campers and ISK faucets. Oh well.
This. I would get into faction warfare if I could play for the bad guys and help take over empire space.
Turrents |
Sodabro
Republic Military School Minmatar Republic
977
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Posted - 2014.07.18 11:49:00 -
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"turn hisec into lowsec" thread detected.
Category: Nerf Highsec. |
Herzog Wolfhammer
Sigma Special Tactics Group
5128
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Posted - 2014.07.18 16:10:00 -
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Hasikan Miallok wrote:Herzog Wolfhammer wrote:In the live event incursions where were Sansha sympathizers and it was a letdown to see them get boned on the official content Incursion. It would be great to say get a Sansha mission in the incursion systems.
It would have been better to get "PVP" missions too.
For a long time I have stated that one of the biggest missed opportunities to PVP was the incursion content. Rather than having simply PVe content that forced fleet involvement and player interaction (hence the thousands of mission fit wrecks littering the field that day Incursion was released) they could have had sites with PVP elements too, or "opposing mission" elements such like we have seen for factional warfare, the "taking over of a complex" or something along that line.
It would have certainly worked well with the direction of blurring the line between highsec and low/null PVP and aggression-wise (though that vision was not in place at that time).
Dead space zones in incursion systems where "anything goes" would certainly bring the nullsec to highsec incursion systems and help players get their experience too - even with cheap fits.
But instead it's just bored campers and ISK faucets. Oh well. Well incursions do provide an excuse to actual fly bling :D There is nowhere else in EVE where it is sensible. They also give potential future PvPers some valuable experience at fleet ops. Seems to me though that making incursions more PvP is just going to turn them into a variant of faction war. Aside from which there ARE incursions in 0.0 its just no one can be bothered running them. If they get run at all its to clear the system becasue the incursion penalties interfere with renter/bluebear ops.
Also the chance at a Revenant BPC drop, though uncommon in either case (drop or incursion being done) since they look kind of like a large poop. Bring back DEEEEP Space! |
Marlona Sky
D00M. Northern Coalition.
5376
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Posted - 2014.07.18 16:14:00 -
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Kaarous Aldurald wrote:Just fix wardecs. The incursion community is one of the most grievous users of dec dodging. That goes away, and you can at least dec them, even if they do have a gazillion logi backing them up.
But hey, lol, people want neutral logi fixed too, don't they? My idea on fixing the war mechanic: LINK The Paradox |
baltec1
Bat Country Goonswarm Federation
12395
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Posted - 2014.07.18 16:19:00 -
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darmwand wrote:Sounds good. They could also just move all incursions to low-sec.
Should have done that from the start. Join Bat Country today and defend the Glorious Socialist Dictatorship |
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Serptimis
Boob Heads Black Legion.
332
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Posted - 2014.07.18 16:21:00 -
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There's a reason CCP don't remove high sec activities. Turns out they actually like having some customers. |
Christina Project
Garoun Investment Bank Gallente Federation
334
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Posted - 2014.07.18 16:39:00 -
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Because people are cowards.
If incursions weren't protected by CONCORD, all the cowards wouldn't run them. http://residentoutlaw.tumblr.com - 20 Million ISK go to ... |
Carmen Electra
867
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Posted - 2014.07.18 16:39:00 -
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Serptimis wrote:There's a reason CCP don't remove high sec activities. Turns out they actually like having some customers. I had started writing a big ::effort:: post in response to Marlona and baltec1, but then thought better of it. This pretty much sums it up. The problem is that you can't actually force people to log in and play eve. "Adapt or die" turns into "Adapt or don't log in". eve is dying |
epicurus ataraxia
Z3R0 Return Mining Inc. Illusion of Solitude
836
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Posted - 2014.07.18 19:06:00 -
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Carmen Electra wrote:Serptimis wrote:There's a reason CCP don't remove high sec activities. Turns out they actually like having some customers. I had started writing a big ::effort:: post in response to Marlona and baltec1, but then thought better of it. This pretty much sums it up. The problem is that you can't actually force people to log in and play eve. "Adapt or die" turns into "Adapt or don't log in".
Very true, but just a thought experiment, rather than lead Hisec players like lambs to the slaughter, which would no doubt please some
Why not make it fun for hisec players to actually do some PVP? By fun I do not mean lose the last months work in two seconds to some "self professed content generator"
But I suppose biomassing most of your customers, and leaving the few elite players who are the only ones to deserve to be in eve. to,grr at each other is a plan too.
Anyway off for tonight, I have to go to hospital in the morning as I have stomach pains, and need to have a probe inserted in my "content Generator"
JK(did that get past ISD?) There is one EvE. Many people. Many lifestyles. WE are EvE |
ashley Eoner
330
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Posted - 2014.07.18 19:16:00 -
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Kaarous Aldurald wrote:Just fix wardecs. The incursion community is one of the most grievous users of dec dodging. That goes away, and you can at least dec them, even if they do have a gazillion logi backing them up.
But hey, lol, people want neutral logi fixed too, don't they? How do you fix wardecs then? |
Jake Warbird
Republic Military School Minmatar Republic
4162
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Posted - 2014.07.18 20:05:00 -
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Blah blah I like to shoot pve fit ships in hisec blah blah. |
Sibyyl
Gallente Federation
3250
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Posted - 2014.07.18 20:48:00 -
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epicurus ataraxia wrote:[Very true, but just a thought experiment, rather than lead Hisec players like lambs to the slaughter, which would no doubt please some Why not make it fun for hisec players to actually do some PVP? By fun I do not mean lose the last months work in two seconds to some "self professed content generator" But I suppose biomassing most of your customers, and leaving the few elite players who are the only ones to deserve to be in eve. to,grr at each other is a plan too. People in the suburbs may not live like people in the woods, but that wouldn't be any excuse to be less prepared if things go sideways. In EVE, everyone has access to the same skillset, the same ship n gun store, the same wiki and Internet for looking up information. Being a lamb to a slaughter is a personal choice.
What kind of gazelle chooses to be fat and slow? .. when everything else is gone .. |
Gully Alex Foyle
Black Fox Marauders Repeat 0ffenders
1475
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Posted - 2014.07.18 22:34:00 -
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Sibyyl wrote:epicurus ataraxia wrote:[Very true, but just a thought experiment, rather than lead Hisec players like lambs to the slaughter, which would no doubt please some Why not make it fun for hisec players to actually do some PVP? By fun I do not mean lose the last months work in two seconds to some "self professed content generator" But I suppose biomassing most of your customers, and leaving the few elite players who are the only ones to deserve to be in eve. to,grr at each other is a plan too. People in the suburbs may not live like people in the woods, but that wouldn't be any excuse to be less prepared if things go sideways. In EVE, everyone has access to the same skillset, the same ship n gun store, the same wiki and Internet for looking up information. Being a lamb to a slaughter is a personal choice. What kind of gazelle chooses to be fat and slow? That would probably be lazy me if I were a gazelle.
I guess I'd have to become a spai for the lions to survive. EVE Online: Death-o-meter |
Herzog Wolfhammer
Sigma Special Tactics Group
5129
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Posted - 2014.07.18 22:39:00 -
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epicurus ataraxia wrote:Carmen Electra wrote:Serptimis wrote:There's a reason CCP don't remove high sec activities. Turns out they actually like having some customers. I had started writing a big ::effort:: post in response to Marlona and baltec1, but then thought better of it. This pretty much sums it up. The problem is that you can't actually force people to log in and play eve. "Adapt or die" turns into "Adapt or don't log in". Very true, but just a thought experiment, rather than lead Hisec players like lambs to the slaughter, which would no doubt please some Why not make it fun for hisec players to actually do some PVP? By fun I do not mean lose the last months work in two seconds to some "self professed content generator" But I suppose biomassing most of your customers, and leaving the few elite players who are the only ones to deserve to be in eve. to,grr at each other is a plan too. Anyway off for tonight, I have to go to hospital in the morning as I have stomach pains, and need to have a probe inserted in my "content Generator" JK(did that get past ISD?)
All we would need is a way for every ship to travel without having to rely on gates, the ability to get into a system without any fatal funnels, and there is no slaughter chute and hence no slaughter.
But WTFPWN guns on stations to shoot anything aggressing ships in the undock and solve "that other problem" too.
Give ships transponders to broadcast ID and intent or let players shut them off entirely (this means no local).
Fix SOV in 2 ways: 1. Make resources FINITE meaning you mine your systems to produce cap ships galore, you make those barren systems. Highsec too. 2. SOV must be maintained manually meaning, you must actually be in the system exerting your manliness over the rats or you lose it.
Do those things and there won't be a need for a highsec except as maybe a trade hub and Mittani's suggested "noob zone".
The rest of the game would prosper. "Leet" PVPers will have to hunt for their food. Everybody else gets to make the lives of the hunters difficult, and no more blue donut NAPed up sitting on piles of moon ISK.
Bring back DEEEEP Space! |
baltec1
Bat Country Goonswarm Federation
12402
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Posted - 2014.07.18 22:44:00 -
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Carmen Electra wrote:Serptimis wrote:There's a reason CCP don't remove high sec activities. Turns out they actually like having some customers. I had started writing a big ::effort:: post in response to Marlona and baltec1, but then thought better of it. This pretty much sums it up. The problem is that you can't actually force people to log in and play eve. "Adapt or die" turns into "Adapt or don't log in".
The rewards are simply too high for a highsec activity and it would have been a great help to make low sec a little more viable. Join Bat Country today and defend the Glorious Socialist Dictatorship |
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