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Nandhi
Imperial Shipment Amarr Empire
4
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Posted - 2014.07.18 07:27:00 -
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My main has good Shield skills and missile skills. Currently running a Tengu with all T2 Mods. It does over 550 DPS with HAM (EM Rage missiles)/ 380 DPS with HAM (EM javalin missiles). previously i was flying a CNS. My current mission running speed is around 20 min for medium lvl 4 mission. For missions like "Angel Extravagenza, Damsel in distress, The blockade, worlds collide" i take around 1 hr to complete the missions.
I came to know that, if i use sentries, i can do lvl 4 missions faster, so i was looking for my next upgrade. I am not sure , should i go for Rattle snake or Dominix. As rattle snake has only 50mb Drone bandwidth and senteries take around 25mbps each. so i can use only 2 senteries. where as DOmi can support upto 5 senteries.
Is rattlesnake really amazing than Dominix ? should i fit Rattlesnake with Cruise missiles or Torpedos when using senteries. I am looking for long range combat like over 100km + ..
Is there a Shield fitted Domi ?/
please guide me.
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Hasikan Miallok
Republic University Minmatar Republic
978
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Posted - 2014.07.18 07:50:00 -
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Nandhi wrote:My main has good Shield skills and missile skills. Currently running a Tengu with all T2 Mods. It does over 550 DPS with HAM (EM Rage missiles)/ 380 DPS with HAM (EM javalin missiles). previously i was flying a CNS. My current mission running speed is around 20 min for medium lvl 4 mission. For missions like "Angel Extravagenza, Damsel in distress, The blockade, worlds collide" i take around 1 hr to complete the missions.
I came to know that, if i use sentries, i can do lvl 4 missions faster, so i was looking for my next upgrade. I am not sure , should i go for Rattle snake or Dominix. As rattle snake has only 50mb Drone bandwidth and senteries take around 25mbps each. so i can use only 2 senteries. where as DOmi can support upto 5 senteries.
Is rattlesnake really amazing than Dominix ? should i fit Rattlesnake with Cruise missiles or Torpedos when using senteries. I am looking for long range combat like over 100km + ..
Is there a Shield fitted Domi ?/
please guide me.
Your questions indicate you need to do a lot more research on the ships you are considering.
QUICK ANSWER: - Domi eats missions while being semi AFK making a sandwich burping the baby etc etc - Rattlesnake has double the DPS of the Domi and can finish missions faster, but needs to be micromanaged and is more work.
SPECIFIC ANSWERS "rattle snake has only 50mb Drone bandwidth" - read the ship bonuses. the two RS sentries do the damage of 5 Domi sentries
"should i fit Rattlesnake with Cruise missiles or Torpedos when using senteries. I am looking for long range combat like over 100km +" - the rattlesnake is no longer a sniper, fitting all 5 launches severly limits your drone control range. The rattlesnake now works best at 50 to 100km. - for 100km+ torpedoes are out as the RS has lost the bonuses that gave it the range for torps. you are looking at cruise for long range or RHMLs for medium range (up to 80km or so)
"Is there a Shield fitted Domi ?/" - it can be done but more than 4 DDA are a bit pointless so most people armor tank or spider tank - active shield tank can work - I doubt anyone passive shield tanks a domi but I suppose it is possible
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Schmata Bastanold
Black Rebel Rifter Club The Devil's Tattoo
2169
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Posted - 2014.07.18 08:53:00 -
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I loved my sentry domis duo (2 highs taken by remote armor and cap transfer, rest slots for maximum range and damage of sentries + mjd) for null anoms but as I do not play this game by walking away from it now I would go for RS because there is nothing more fun than just rip through rats ASAP and move on. If you have skills allowing you to really use potential of RS go for it, least time you spend in mission the better.
And btw tengu sucks for L4s when compared to properly fitted and used BS. It's a gimmic invented by ETF warriors and "t3 is leet" idiots. I don't say it doesn't work it is just far away from being best tool for the job. Eve Online Overview Wizard: Forum thread Homepage
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Nandhi
Imperial Shipment Amarr Empire
4
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Posted - 2014.07.18 09:25:00 -
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Schmata Bastanold wrote:I loved my sentry domis duo (2 highs taken by remote armor and cap transfer, rest slots for maximum range and damage of sentries + mjd) for null anoms but as I do not play this game by walking away from it now I would go for RS because there is nothing more fun than just rip through rats ASAP and move on. If you have skills allowing you to really use potential of RS go for it, least time you spend in mission the better.
And btw tengu sucks for L4s when compared to properly fitted and used BS. It's a gimmic invented by ETF warriors and "t3 is leet" idiots. I don't say it doesn't work it is just far away from being best tool for the job.
Yea Agreed. I had more fun when running lvl 4 missions with CNS than Tengu. But after reading forum posts, i trained for Tengu and invested 2 months time on support skills. Found its not that great. Damage is same as BS. It does not have range. Now most of the BS can kite away to safe distance. And tengu finds it difficult to reach them. Jav missiles does the same damage as HAM.
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Estella Osoka
Deep Void Merc Syndicate
414
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Posted - 2014.07.18 13:20:00 -
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Between the cruise missiles and sentries, the Rattlesnake will out DPS the Domi. |
Tyrea Gaterau
Folktales
1
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Posted - 2014.07.18 14:39:00 -
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I used domi for really long time and now I consider going for Rattlesnake. Rattlesnake has more tank (not needed that much but, hey it's something ) and dps (800ish vs 1600ish) but is more expensive (600M vs 1,6B). |
Hakaari Inkuran
State War Academy Caldari State
130
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Posted - 2014.07.18 15:01:00 -
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Tyrea Gaterau wrote:I used domi for really long time and now I consider going for Rattlesnake. Rattlesnake has more tank (not needed that much but, hey it's something ) and dps (800ish vs 1600ish) but is more expensive (600M vs 1,6B). 1.6B? Nobody is forcing you to use faction DDA's. I certainly wouldn't.
Below fit is 418M in fittings and 457M hull, well over 1500 DPS before missile implants. Can swap out a hardener for a target painter easily. Probably doesn't need the DLA either and dropping it will allow you to more easily get around to dropping the CPU rig and using rigors instead. There's a lot of ways to tweak this to make it better.
[Rattlesnake, Conventional]
Caldari Navy Ballistic Control System Ballistic Control System II Caldari Navy Ballistic Control System Drone Damage Amplifier II Drone Damage Amplifier II Drone Damage Amplifier II
Pith A-Type X-Large Shield Booster Heavy Capacitor Booster II, Cap Booster 800 100MN Afterburner II Adaptive Invulnerability Field II Pith C-Type Kinetic Deflection Field Omnidirectional Tracking Link II, Optimal Range Script Omnidirectional Tracking Link II, Tracking Speed Script
Cruise Missile Launcher II, Scourge Fury Cruise Missile Cruise Missile Launcher II, Scourge Fury Cruise Missile Cruise Missile Launcher II, Scourge Fury Cruise Missile Cruise Missile Launcher II, Scourge Fury Cruise Missile Cruise Missile Launcher II, Scourge Fury Cruise Missile Drone Link Augmentor II
Large Processor Overclocking Unit II Large Anti-EM Screen Reinforcer I [Empty Rig slot]
Garde II x2 Gecko x1 Bouncer II x2 |
Barton Breau
University of Caille Gallente Federation
56
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Posted - 2014.07.18 15:32:00 -
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Just make sure rats are slow and orbit you if you choose to use furys without tp and application rigs. |
Schmata Bastanold
Black Rebel Rifter Club The Devil's Tattoo
2181
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Posted - 2014.07.18 17:22:00 -
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Nandhi wrote:Yea Agreed. I had more fun when running lvl 4 missions with CNS than Tengu. But after reading forum posts, i trained for Tengu and invested 2 months time on support skills. Found its not that great. Damage is same as BS. It does not have range. Now most of the BS can kite away to safe distance. And tengu finds it difficult to reach them. Jav missiles does the same damage as HAM.
For a long time I was exclusively projectile minnie but when they announced cyclone was going to be missile ship I just trained frakk out of missiles. And when I had it all finished tengu was very close because for some strange reason I had all 20 subsystem skills already trained to III. And on forums no matter what was the question answer always was: tengu.
So I got it, and spent few days in L4s and sure it is nice with speed and sig tanking but nobody ever will convince me that BS is not better, especially now after tiercide and balancing treatments. Besides who needs perma medium faction shield booster running when you can just warp into a pocket, drop sentries and smack the living sh!t out of anything that comes your way within 100km+? Eve Online Overview Wizard: Forum thread Homepage
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Chainsaw Plankton
IDLE GUNS IDLE EMPIRE
548
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Posted - 2014.07.19 03:31:00 -
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I'd go with the rattlesnake. just seems easier to fit than a domi. Plus it has moar dps! You can trust me, I have a monocole |
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Ireland VonVicious
Vicious Trading Company
335
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Posted - 2014.07.19 04:04:00 -
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Get em!
http://eve.battleclinic.com/loadout/70554-MWD-L4-Rattlesnake-1733-DPS-with-implants.html |
Amarr Citizen 1312151005
Royal Amarr Institute Amarr Empire
44
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Posted - 2014.07.19 07:21:00 -
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Nandhi wrote:My main has good Shield skills and missile skills. Currently running a Tengu with all T2 Mods. It does over 550 DPS with HAM (EM Rage missiles)/ 380 DPS with HAM (EM javalin missiles). previously i was flying a CNS. My current mission running speed is around 20 min for medium lvl 4 mission. For missions like "Angel Extravagenza, Damsel in distress, The blockade, worlds collide" i take around 1 hr to complete the missions.
I came to know that, if i use sentries, i can do lvl 4 missions faster, so i was looking for my next upgrade. I am not sure , should i go for Rattle snake or Dominix. As rattle snake has only 50mb Drone bandwidth and senteries take around 25mbps each. so i can use only 2 senteries. where as DOmi can support upto 5 senteries.
Is rattlesnake really amazing than Dominix ? should i fit Rattlesnake with Cruise missiles or Torpedos when using senteries. I am looking for long range combat like over 100km + ..
Is there a Shield fitted Domi ?/
please guide me.
You have bad skills or bad fit or both. Hamtengu none shiny should be able to push 700-800 dps |
Barton Breau
University of Caille Gallente Federation
57
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Posted - 2014.07.19 10:57:00 -
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Ireland VonVicious wrote:
IMO, unless you plan to use it against a pos shiel and it does not matter to you that you are paying 3 bil for a 1bil setup dps performance (but with higher tank), whatever floats your boat.
EDIT: also mandatory: hehehe battleclinic |
Estella Osoka
Deep Void Merc Syndicate
419
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Posted - 2014.07.22 14:46:00 -
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Amarr Citizen 1312151005 wrote:Nandhi wrote:My main has good Shield skills and missile skills. Currently running a Tengu with all T2 Mods. It does over 550 DPS with HAM (EM Rage missiles)/ 380 DPS with HAM (EM javalin missiles). previously i was flying a CNS. My current mission running speed is around 20 min for medium lvl 4 mission. For missions like "Angel Extravagenza, Damsel in distress, The blockade, worlds collide" i take around 1 hr to complete the missions.
I came to know that, if i use sentries, i can do lvl 4 missions faster, so i was looking for my next upgrade. I am not sure , should i go for Rattle snake or Dominix. As rattle snake has only 50mb Drone bandwidth and senteries take around 25mbps each. so i can use only 2 senteries. where as DOmi can support upto 5 senteries.
Is rattlesnake really amazing than Dominix ? should i fit Rattlesnake with Cruise missiles or Torpedos when using senteries. I am looking for long range combat like over 100km + ..
Is there a Shield fitted Domi ?/
please guide me.
You have bad skills or bad fit or both. Hamtengu none shiny should be able to push 700-800 dps
Rattlesnake can easily get 1500 dps between drones and missiles. |
Nandhi
Shadow Legion X The Bastion
6
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Posted - 2014.07.24 12:51:00 -
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Amarr Citizen 1312151005 wrote:Nandhi wrote:My main has good Shield skills and missile skills. Currently running a Tengu with all T2 Mods. It does over 550 DPS with HAM (EM Rage missiles)/ 380 DPS with HAM (EM javalin missiles). previously i was flying a CNS. My current mission running speed is around 20 min for medium lvl 4 mission. For missions like "Angel Extravagenza, Damsel in distress, The blockade, worlds collide" i take around 1 hr to complete the missions.
I came to know that, if i use sentries, i can do lvl 4 missions faster, so i was looking for my next upgrade. I am not sure , should i go for Rattle snake or Dominix. As rattle snake has only 50mb Drone bandwidth and senteries take around 25mbps each. so i can use only 2 senteries. where as DOmi can support upto 5 senteries.
Is rattlesnake really amazing than Dominix ? should i fit Rattlesnake with Cruise missiles or Torpedos when using senteries. I am looking for long range combat like over 100km + ..
Is there a Shield fitted Domi ?/
please guide me.
You have bad skills or bad fit or both. Hamtengu none shiny should be able to push 700-800 dps
I am now having 705 dps with my rage missiles. Its not about the DPS. Its the range(25km). With additional Fuel rigs i can make it upto 30km. When i get to range i can kill them fast. But the rats and mission battleships keep on kiting. its very difficult with HAM tengu. HML is ok, i get around 480 DPS.
So if 4 or 5 battleships are there in the area and all are kiting at differnet directions, its very difficult. Its time taking. |
Estella Osoka
Deep Void Merc Syndicate
419
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Posted - 2014.07.24 14:21:00 -
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[Tengu, killy mckilly] Caldari Navy Ballistic Control System Caldari Navy Ballistic Control System Caldari Navy Ballistic Control System Caldari Navy Ballistic Control System
Pithi A-Type Small Shield Booster Shield Boost Amplifier II Adaptive Invulnerability Field II Pithum C-Type EM Ward Amplifier Federation Navy 10MN Afterburner
Heavy Assault Missile Launcher II, Scourge Javelin Heavy Assault Missile Heavy Assault Missile Launcher II, Scourge Javelin Heavy Assault Missile Heavy Assault Missile Launcher II, Scourge Javelin Heavy Assault Missile Heavy Assault Missile Launcher II, Scourge Javelin Heavy Assault Missile Heavy Assault Missile Launcher II, Scourge Javelin Heavy Assault Missile Heavy Assault Missile Launcher II, Scourge Javelin Heavy Assault Missile [empty high slot]
Medium Hydraulic Bay Thrusters II Medium Rocket Fuel Cache Partition II Medium Hydraulic Bay Thrusters I
Tengu Defensive - Adaptive Shielding Tengu Electronics - Dissolution Sequencer Tengu Engineering - Augmented Capacitor Reservoir Tengu Offensive - Accelerated Ejection Bay Tengu Propulsion - Fuel Catalyst
Try this setup.
Scourge Javelins hit out to 69km 667 dps Faction Scourge hits out to 46km for 850 dps Scourge Rage hits out to 38km for 1001
Implants being used is RL-1005, AM-705, and GP-805. Tank is only about 271, but the speed and low sig helps. Kill webbers first always. Pimp to your taste.
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Octavious0506
Deep Core Mining Inc. Caldari State
4
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Posted - 2014.07.24 15:58:00 -
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Quote:"rattle snake has only 50mb Drone bandwidth" - read the ship bonuses. the two RS sentries do the damage of 5 Domi sentries
Actually if you do the math, the Rattlesnake does the damage of 5.5 sentries. Which would be a 10% real time boost. |
Nandhi
Shadow Legion X The Bastion
6
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Posted - 2014.07.24 16:18:00 -
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Octavious0506 wrote:Quote:"rattle snake has only 50mb Drone bandwidth" - read the ship bonuses. the two RS sentries do the damage of 5 Domi sentries
Actually if you do the math, the Rattlesnake does the damage of 5.5 sentries. Which would be a 10% real time boost.
Good to hear that :) |
stoicfaux
5205
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Posted - 2014.07.24 16:23:00 -
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If you have the fitting skills:
[Rattlesnake, Summer 33] Caldari Navy Ballistic Control System Caldari Navy Ballistic Control System Caldari Navy Ballistic Control System Drone Damage Amplifier II Drone Damage Amplifier II Drone Damage Amplifier II
Pith C-Type X-Large Shield Booster Adaptive Invulnerability Field II Heavy Capacitor Booster II, Cap Booster 800 Omnidirectional Tracking Link II Omnidirectional Tracking Link II Phased Weapon Navigation Array Generation Extron Phased Weapon Navigation Array Generation Extron
Cruise Missile Launcher II, Inferno Fury Cruise Missile Cruise Missile Launcher II, Inferno Fury Cruise Missile Cruise Missile Launcher II, Inferno Fury Cruise Missile Cruise Missile Launcher II, Inferno Fury Cruise Missile Cruise Missile Launcher II, Inferno Fury Cruise Missile Drone Link Augmentor II
Large Warhead Rigor Catalyst I Large Warhead Rigor Catalyst I Large Warhead Rigor Catalyst I
WASABI: Warp Acceleration System Ancillary Boost Injected(Gäó)
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stoicfaux
5205
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Posted - 2014.07.24 16:26:00 -
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Octavious0506 wrote:Quote:"rattle snake has only 50mb Drone bandwidth" - read the ship bonuses. the two RS sentries do the damage of 5 Domi sentries
Actually if you do the math, the Rattlesnake does the damage of 5.5 sentries. Which would be a 10% real time boost. Domni: 50% bonus = 5 * 1.5 = 7.5 effective drones RS: 275% bonus = 2 * 3.75 = 7.5 effective drones (sentry/heavy only)
WASABI: Warp Acceleration System Ancillary Boost Injected(Gäó)
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Hakaari Inkuran
State War Academy Caldari State
149
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Posted - 2014.07.24 21:24:00 -
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How do you squeeze a prop mod into that fit? |
stoicfaux
5211
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Posted - 2014.07.24 21:51:00 -
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Hakaari Inkuran wrote:How do you squeeze a prop mod into that fit? For the missions that require movement, drop the heavy cap and/or downgrade the XLSB (and/or swap to an expensive Gist XL.) More than a few missions can be buffer tanked due to DPS tanking and having lots of shield points.
But, having to fiddle with fittings, especially drone loadouts, is one of the drawbacks to the Rattlesnake.
WASABI: Warp Acceleration System Ancillary Boost Injected(Gäó)
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Hasikan Miallok
Republic University Minmatar Republic
1008
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Posted - 2014.07.24 23:32:00 -
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stoicfaux wrote:Octavious0506 wrote:Quote:"rattle snake has only 50mb Drone bandwidth" - read the ship bonuses. the two RS sentries do the damage of 5 Domi sentries
Actually if you do the math, the Rattlesnake does the damage of 5.5 sentries. Which would be a 10% real time boost. Domni: 50% bonus = 5 * 1.5 = 7.5 effective drones RS: 275% bonus = 2 * 3.75 = 7.5 effective drones (sentry/heavy only)
Yep Domi and Rattler do identical sentry and heavy (including gecko) damage.
Domi has stupidly good drone tracking and optimal and better light/medium drones.
Rattler has an extra 800DPS or so from the launchers and the heavy/sentry drones have way more HP. |
Rubishod
Hyperspace Fusiliers
32
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Posted - 2014.07.29 11:05:00 -
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I honestly enjoy the loss of DPS and use a shield nano Ishtar, if only to be able to warp around and get where I need to be faster. With a rattlesnake .... all the waiting .... kills me. |
afkalt
Republic Military School Minmatar Republic
225
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Posted - 2014.07.29 11:15:00 -
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stoicfaux wrote:Hakaari Inkuran wrote:How do you squeeze a prop mod into that fit? For the missions that require movement, drop the heavy cap and/or downgrade the XLSB (and/or swap to an expensive Gist XL.) More than a few missions can be buffer tanked due to DPS tanking and having lots of shield points. But, having to fiddle with fittings, especially drone loadouts, is one of the drawbacks to the Rattlesnake.
I dont even bother, I just use a gecko and buffer fit it and add a MWD. Literally never refit and losing the omnis frees up slots quite handily.
>100k ehp buffer with 1500+ dps is MORE than sufficient for all but the worst missions and for those, we have marauders. |
Marcus Walkuris
Aww yeahhh
102
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Posted - 2014.07.29 19:10:00 -
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Domi is more efficient if you know you won't fight many BS or BC. Buzzkill I use a mjd domi, it applies better vs elite cruisers and frigs. |
NIFTYGetAtMe
State Protectorate Caldari State
0
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Posted - 2014.07.29 19:55:00 -
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Rattlesnake. |
Jeremy Kamira
17
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Posted - 2014.07.30 03:16:00 -
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If i remember correctly, doesn't the missile subsystem for the tengu have bonus to Kinetic missiles? Even with resists being a factor wouldn't it still do more damage? |
Hasikan Miallok
Republic University Minmatar Republic
1043
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Posted - 2014.07.30 03:38:00 -
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Jeremy Kamira wrote:If i remember correctly, doesn't the missile subsystem for the tengu have bonus to Kinetic missiles? Even with resists being a factor wouldn't it still do more damage?
Rattler gets 50% to the 5 launchers when using kin or thermal plus the equivalent of 50% max drone damage giving you somewhere between 1200 and 1600 total DPS in most fits.
Tengu is going to be pushing it to get much more than 800 DPS.
The Tengu will be better at applying the damage though. |
Chainsaw Plankton
IDLE GUNS IDLE EMPIRE
570
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Posted - 2014.07.30 04:19:00 -
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Hasikan Miallok wrote:Jeremy Kamira wrote:If i remember correctly, doesn't the missile subsystem for the tengu have bonus to Kinetic missiles? Even with resists being a factor wouldn't it still do more damage? Rattler gets 50% to the 5 launchers when using kin or thermal plus the equivalent of 50% max drone damage giving you somewhere between 1200 and 1600 total DPS in most fits. Tengu is going to be pushing it to get much more than 800 DPS. The Tengu will be better at applying the damage though.
Rattler might not be as good at "applying" damage but it has SO much MORE base damage that well application is damn near good enough. I was volleying angel cruisers with a painter and scourge fury missiles.
Rattler does 868 missile dps with a t2 fit, max skills, and implants, 713 with faction cruise.
a tengu does what 1k dps max with hams, at like 30km at best? with heavies I don't think it does much more than 800. yea... I easily say NO to the tengu. Unless the objective is kill one ship and leave while taking a bunch of fire, then well maybe the tengu is better. You can trust me, I have a monocole |
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