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Darcy Farquar
The Scope Gallente Federation
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Posted - 2014.07.18 08:20:00 -
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Some friends of mine have recently been banned following the drone dps exploit. https://zkillboard.com/kill/40055454/
All Gila pilots involved in this killmail have been banned despite this being a totally legitimate POCO bash.
Avoid using drone boats to attack player owned structures, CCP clearly can't tell the difference between people using the exploit and people using a normal drone boats. |
Tippia
Sunshine and Lollipops
23197
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Posted - 2014.07.18 08:25:00 -
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Did they use the exploit? And why should people stop using normal drone boats when they don't have anything to do with the exploit in question? GÇ£If you're not willing to fight for what you have in GëívGëí you don't deserve it, and you will lose it.GÇ¥
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Darcy Farquar
The Scope Gallente Federation
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Posted - 2014.07.18 08:28:00 -
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They didn't use the exploit.
But CCP didn't notice that. They banned them anyway.
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Abrazzar
Vardaugas Family
4099
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Posted - 2014.07.18 08:33:00 -
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Yes, clearly, the logs show nothing. CCP just randomly bans people to make it look like they're doing something against exploits.
I'll have three of those 1600mm Layered Aluminium Platings you have fitted. Sovereignty and Population New Mining Mechanics |
Yarda Black
Epidemic. Nulli Secunda
269
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Posted - 2014.07.18 08:34:00 -
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I'm gonna have to believe they didnt use the exploit, cos there's nothing backing up that statement in your post.
You're not supplying evidence for them NOT using it, CCP will never supply evdidence to me that they were.
So do I believe you or CCP?
Although I appreciate your warning, I'm gonna be using a droneboat to bash structures when needed. I've seen alot of Ishtars taking down SBU's who were not banned. Those guys getting banned would change my opinion.
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Alastair Ormand
Running With Scissors. Apocalypse Now.
69
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Posted - 2014.07.18 08:35:00 -
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Well if they were using the exploit they'd have to be immensely stupid to keep using it. Logs can easily highlight the massive drone DPS this exploit puts out. And CCP did make a public warning about it. So I'd say these guys did exploit the glitch and woopsy daisy they got caught. Don't run with a stick in your mouth.
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Tippia
Sunshine and Lollipops
23197
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Posted - 2014.07.18 08:35:00 -
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Darcy Farquar wrote:They didn't use the exploit. How do you know this? GÇ£If you're not willing to fight for what you have in GëívGëí you don't deserve it, and you will lose it.GÇ¥
Get a good start: Newbie skillplan 2.2. |
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Chribba
Otherworld Enterprises Otherworld Empire
12343
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Posted - 2014.07.18 08:45:00 -
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Tippia wrote:Darcy Farquar wrote:They didn't use the exploit. How do you know this? For all we know he might be a wizard
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Don Purple
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Posted - 2014.07.18 09:18:00 -
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The wild Chribba appears often tonight. And OP your statement proves nothing except showing they had the means to use this exploit. It does not have to be involved with that pos bash. I am just here to snuggle. |
Sequester Risalo
Significant Others
1
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Posted - 2014.07.18 09:18:00 -
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If you use an exploit after a warning on the login screen, you will get banned. Who would have thought.
I don't know how the exploit is supposed to work, neither am I interested in using it. But I gathered from this forum that it's not something you stumble upon or do accidently and it will show in the logs. So any legitimate pilot should be on the safe side anyway. |
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Remiel Pollard
The Vigilance Institute
3961
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Posted - 2014.07.18 09:19:00 -
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IB4L.
Discussion of moderation is definitely against the rules around here.
And even if it wasn't, we have no reason to believe you, and you have no reason to tell us about any of this unless you're trying to stir trouble. There are correct channels to go through for those that think they have been wrongfully moderated, and GD isn't one of them. You don't scare me. I've been to Jita.
People complain about how 'empty' space is. Personally, I would be complaining if it were more 'full'.
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Darcy Farquar
The Scope Gallente Federation
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Posted - 2014.07.18 09:19:00 -
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Tippia wrote:Darcy Farquar wrote:They didn't use the exploit. How do you know this?
I was there.
Apologies, I'm not explaining it very well. We have discovered the ban wasn't sole CCP acting on a whim. A member of the corp who owned the POCO petitioned and CCP banned them. How CCP believed it was a use of the exploit is beyond me. I believe they didn't check the stats thoroughly enough.
Wether you want to believe we where using the exploit or not isn't really why I posted.
I'm saying we didn't. And they got banned anyway.
So be careful using drone bots right now against enemy player owned structures. If the enemy corp petition, CCP clearly have a hairpin trigger on this subject right now.
It'll save you a lot of grief if you avoided using drone boats involved in the exploit right now.. |
Abrazzar
Vardaugas Family
4099
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Posted - 2014.07.18 09:23:00 -
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1.) Which one on the killmail are you? 2.) How do you know the other corp petitioned?
This sounds more suspicious by the post. Sovereignty and Population New Mining Mechanics |
Tippia
Sunshine and Lollipops
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Posted - 2014.07.18 09:25:00 -
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Since it would be fairly easy to prove that you didn't (if you indeed didn't), there's no point in going to the forums. Take it to where it belongs instead: the petition system.
Pull out your logs (they'll be able to confirm the data on their side), and show that your damage output is consistent with what your ships are supposed to put out. If you can't (or won't) do that, then there's nothing to suggest that the bans were in error. GÇ£If you're not willing to fight for what you have in GëívGëí you don't deserve it, and you will lose it.GÇ¥
Get a good start: Newbie skillplan 2.2. |
Scipio Artelius
The Vendunari End of Life
2151
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Posted - 2014.07.18 09:27:00 -
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If all of your Corp arrived at the POCO together and bashed it for the same amount of time, the damage figures alone look very questionable. All 5 Gilas the top 5 damage and the hammers twice the damage of some of the gardes.
It looks strange (with assumptions about timings). Come Win At Eve - Join The Vendunari
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Remiel Pollard
The Vigilance Institute
3961
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Posted - 2014.07.18 09:30:00 -
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Tippia wrote:Since it would be fairly easy to prove that you didn't (if you indeed didn't), there's no point in going to the forums. Take it to where it belongs instead: the petition system.
Pull out your logs (they'll be able to confirm the data on their side), and show that your damage output is consistent with what your ships are supposed to put out. If you can't (or won't) do that, then there's nothing to suggest that the bans were in error.
This. CCP has easy access to your combat data, all of it. They don't just ban you on a whim, and once again, I believe you're only trying to stir trouble. I don't believe you at all and I'm certain any bans regarding exploits were handed out based on easy to access data. You got what you deserved. You don't scare me. I've been to Jita.
People complain about how 'empty' space is. Personally, I would be complaining if it were more 'full'.
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Kijimea
Mulors
8
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Posted - 2014.07.18 09:31:00 -
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Remiel Pollard wrote:IB4L.
Discussion of moderation is definitely against the rules around here.
And even if it wasn't, we have no reason to believe you, and you have no reason to tell us about any of this unless you're trying to stir trouble. There are correct channels to go through for those that think they have been wrongfully moderated, and GD isn't one of them.
Does it make you guyz feel so kewl to always join a thread with dat awesome in before blabla? Eve forums feel even worse than wow forums. Bet you are one of those guys who have to mention to block someone in chat like "hihi i block you" instead of just blocking him without a note. Wannabe ccp police. |
Remiel Pollard
The Vigilance Institute
3961
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Posted - 2014.07.18 09:34:00 -
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Kijimea wrote:Remiel Pollard wrote:IB4L.
Discussion of moderation is definitely against the rules around here.
And even if it wasn't, we have no reason to believe you, and you have no reason to tell us about any of this unless you're trying to stir trouble. There are correct channels to go through for those that think they have been wrongfully moderated, and GD isn't one of them. Does it make you guyz feel so kewl to always join a thread with dat awesome in before blabla? Eve forums feel even worse than wow forums. Bet you are one of those guys who have to mention to block someone in chat like "hihi i block you" instead of just blocking him without a note. Wannabe ccp police.
I dunno, does it make you feel cool to talk like a kindergartener?
And yes, actually, I do tell people they're getting blocked when I block them. However, I only reserve blocks for the most obnoxious of EVE's population. Why, does it irritate you when someone tells you you're getting blocked?
Cuz guess why I do it You don't scare me. I've been to Jita.
People complain about how 'empty' space is. Personally, I would be complaining if it were more 'full'.
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Yang Aurilen
The Mjolnir Bloc The Bloc
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Posted - 2014.07.18 09:36:00 -
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TL;DR: Don' use abandoned drones.
Especially those from a Gila. You see a drone abandoned on a gate it's best to just scoop them into your CARGO hold and not into your DRONE bay to avoid a CCP spank and gank.
Of course if they retain their stats even if in the cargo bay and loaded into your hangar and then a different ship then you're just asking for trouble. |
Abrazzar
Vardaugas Family
4100
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Posted - 2014.07.18 09:39:00 -
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Yang Aurilen wrote:TL;DR: Don' use abandoned drones.
Especially those from a Gila. You see a drone abandoned on a gate it's best to just scoop them into your CARGO hold and not into your DRONE bay to avoid a CCP spank and gank.
Of course if they retain their stats even if in the cargo bay and loaded into your hangar and then a different ship then you're just asking for trouble. Just repackage them before you use them. Repackaging removes the individual item and replaces it with a generic placeholder, deleting all irregular stats. Sovereignty and Population New Mining Mechanics |
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Darcy Farquar
The Scope Gallente Federation
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Posted - 2014.07.18 09:58:00 -
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I'm not trying to make any trouble, this message is simply to warn players using drone ships to avoid putting yourself in the same situation.
I put it in general discussion because I want people to see it. No point in a warning being tucked away where no-one can see it unless they where looking for it.
Like I said before I'm not trying to provide evidence, I'm not in court. Believe me and take heed of the warning.
Or don't and risk being banned. |
Scipio Artelius
The Vendunari End of Life
2151
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Posted - 2014.07.18 10:04:00 -
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Darcy Farquar wrote:I'm not trying to make any trouble, this message is simply to warn players using drone ships to avoid putting yourself in the same situation.... Don't take it personally.
Having posted the OP, the discussion will go in whatever direction people want to take it.
2nd page in, it'll be close to going off topic. Someone will complain that the Gila is now stupid, someone will begin discussing drone nerfs/buffs and a Grrr Goons is about due.
People will be insulted, others will take totally innocent comments to heart and the ISDs will come in and lock the thread for discussing warnings and bans.
Just sit back and relax. We aren't going to believe you anyway.
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lolcorpholder alt
ebil piwates inc.
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Posted - 2014.07.18 10:08:00 -
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Think they should just give Gilas two drones with no bonuses to them to avoid this in the future, should stop goons from changing their doctrines to massed gilas+assist. Anything more than 10% damage/level has proven to be stupid anyway for drones |
Scipio Artelius
The Vendunari End of Life
2151
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Posted - 2014.07.18 10:12:00 -
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lolcorpholder alt wrote:Think they should just give Gilas two drones with no bonuses to them to avoid this in the future, should stop goons from changing their doctrines to massed gilas+assist. Anything more than 10% damage/level has proven to be stupid anyway for drones I think I just fell in love.
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Remiel Pollard
The Vigilance Institute
3961
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Posted - 2014.07.18 10:17:00 -
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Darcy Farquar wrote:I'm not trying to make any trouble, this message is simply to warn players using drone ships to avoid putting yourself in the same situation.
I put it in general discussion because I want people to see it. No point in a warning being tucked away where no-one can see it unless they where looking for it.
Like I said before I'm not trying to provide evidence, I'm not in court. Believe me and take heed of the warning.
Or don't and risk being banned.
You're not warning us about anything that CCP hasn't already warned us about.
And regardless of whether you're in court or not, assertions made without evidence can be dismissed without evidence.
The way you ACTUALLY avoid being banned is heed CCP's warnings, and not use exploits. You don't scare me. I've been to Jita.
People complain about how 'empty' space is. Personally, I would be complaining if it were more 'full'.
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Shederov Blood
Deadly Viper Kitten Mitten Sewing Company
1232
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Posted - 2014.07.18 10:20:00 -
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Wouldn't you need to be in a ship that can control 5 medium drones in order to abuse that exploit though?
I mean... Gila drones retaining their Gila stats when scooped to a Gila? No way!! |
Darcy Farquar
The Scope Gallente Federation
0
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Posted - 2014.07.18 10:29:00 -
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[quote=Remiel Pollard
You're not warning us about anything that CCP hasn't already warned us about.
And regardless of whether you're in court or not, assertions made without evidence can be dismissed without evidence.
The way you ACTUALLY avoid being banned is heed CCP's warnings, and not use exploits.[/quote]
CCP didn't warn us to stop using Gilas altogether. All the pilots did was use the Gila to legitimately attack a POCO. They didn't use any exploits.
Like I said before, you don't have to believe me. And dismiss what I'm saying. And then be possibly banned.
Or you can believe me and the way you ACTUALLY avoid being banned is heed CCPs warning, and not even put yourself in a situation where CCP have to even think about wether your using the exploit or not. |
Grimpak
Shifting Sands Trader Cartel Bleak Horizon Alliance.
1730
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Posted - 2014.07.18 10:33:00 -
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honestly, all this mumbo-jumbo would've been avoided if CCP released a hotfix already.
yesteryear was too late. [img]http://eve-files.com/sig/grimpak[/img]
[quote]The more I know about humans, the more I love animals.[/quote] ain't that right |
Remiel Pollard
The Vigilance Institute
3961
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Posted - 2014.07.18 10:38:00 -
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Darcy Farquar wrote: CCP didn't warn us to stop using Gilas altogether. All the pilots did was use the Gila to legitimately attack a POCO. They didn't use any exploits.
Again, if you feel you've been wrongfully banned, file a ticket. I avoid getting banned by not using exploits. If CCP ban me wrongfully, I'll file a ticket and request the ban be reviewed. This is the correct way to go about it. You don't scare me. I've been to Jita.
People complain about how 'empty' space is. Personally, I would be complaining if it were more 'full'.
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Cartoondog
Brave Newbies Inc. Brave Collective
1
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Posted - 2014.07.18 10:45:00 -
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I thought the exploit was when people in ships with standard drone bays scooped gila 'bonused' drones. Or do they stack or someshit?
These guys were in Gilas so I are confused. |
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