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Titania Hrothgar
Nemesis Retribution No Excuse.
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Posted - 2014.07.19 02:33:00 -
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Are Minmitar weapon systems (projectile turrets) a dead end? The range and damage are lacking it seems... My Fleet Issue Hurricane was using Artillery Cannons for longer range and I was doing the same damage with it as I was with my brand new Maelstrom which was using Auto Cannons.
Now, the part that confused me was that I have:
Gunnery 5
Medium Projectile Turret 5 Medium Artillery Specialization 3
and only
Large Projectile Turret 3
The short range was no problem when I flew my Thrasher
Small Projectile Turret 5 Small Artillery Specialization 4
but it doesn't help me when I'm flying a battleship. Before my battleship was destroyed, I spent my time in null chasing down battleships in Anomalies trying to close to 15km so that I could destroy them. It was tedious and very not fun.
Should I abandon my turret skills and start training missiles or should I even bother with Minmitar ships anymore? All the world's a stage and all the men and women are the players. |
ShahFluffers
Ice Fire Warriors Late Night Alliance
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Posted - 2014.07.19 03:40:00 -
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I think the issue you have run into is tracking... or lack of thereof.
The larger the turret size (both in-class and size-class), the less able it is to track targets at closer ranges. The same thinking applies to short range versus long range weapons. Short range weapons generally track better than long range.
Artillery cannons in particular have bad tracking at close range... especially targets smaller than a battleship. Change isn't bad, but it isn't always good. Sometimes, the oldest and most simple of things can be the most elegant and effective.
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DeMichael Crimson
Republic University Minmatar Republic
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Posted - 2014.07.19 05:55:00 -
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Sounds to me you just need to train up skills. Definitely take the Specialization skills at least to level 4. There's also a lot of Gunnery support skills that will help :
Long Range Targeting
Motion Prediction
Rapid Firing
Sharpshooter
Surgical Strike
Trajectory Analysis
Course there's also various Damage types for Projectiles. Always a good idea to research which damage type to use against the NPC's before engaging.
There's only 2 types of T2 Projectile munitions available. I usually use those and carry some Faction munitions for specific damage type when needed.
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Ralph King-Griffin
Lords.Of.Midnight The Devil's Warrior Alliance
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Posted - 2014.07.19 08:16:00 -
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Ah, I remember feeling like that, they are Farr from a dead end, you would seem to be missing the support skills (the ones linked above).
Those skills, once trained will effect the performance of all turrets I.e. projectiles, hybrids and LAZORZ in all sizes, most ships in eve will benefit from thies skills. "Confirming EVE is hot, batshit crazy, and puts out." -Omar Alharazaad "CAKE CANNOT HOLD UP TO BEING A CHARACTER DAMNIT." --áUnsuccessful At Everything |
Adrie Atticus
The Shadow Plague The Bastion
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Posted - 2014.07.19 08:31:00 -
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If you look at your ammo and guns, the damage per shot from ammo goes up with a bigger charge but your tracking goes down on the gun itself. This means that you will do more damage to large targets but less damage to smaller (unless they sit still).
You're also comparing artilleryu to autocannons, try fitting 1400mm artilleries to the battleship and see what happens to your range. Medium autocannons would have bad range even on a hurricane, that's why you've fit artilleries. If you need extra range from a ship, look for ones with a fall-off bonuis (in this case, Machariel with 10% per gallente battleship). |
J'Poll
CDG Playgrounds
4136
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Posted - 2014.07.19 08:47:00 -
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Titania Hrothgar wrote:Are Minmitar weapon systems (projectile turrets) a dead end? The range and damage are lacking it seems... My Fleet Issue Hurricane was using Artillery Cannons for longer range and I was doing the same damage with it as I was with my brand new Maelstrom which was using Auto Cannons.
Now, the part that confused me was that I have:
Gunnery 5
Medium Projectile Turret 5 Medium Artillery Specialization 3
and only
Large Projectile Turret 3
The short range was no problem when I flew my Thrasher
Small Projectile Turret 5 Small Artillery Specialization 4
but it doesn't help me when I'm flying a battleship. Before my battleship was destroyed, I spent my time in null chasing down battleships in Anomalies trying to close to 15km so that I could destroy them. It was tedious and very not fun.
Should I abandon my turret skills and start training missiles or should I even bother with Minmitar ships anymore?
I love how you compare 2 totally different setups.
Comparing a battleship with AC vs a BC with arty is like comparing an apple and a tomato.
Yes, both are fruit, but that's where it ends.
Personal channel: Crazy Dutch Guy
Ever wanted to PvP but can't find people to fly with. Look no further and this chat: Redemption Road |
Nalelmir Ahashion
Omegon 42nd Core
523
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Posted - 2014.07.19 09:41:00 -
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you want to check this page for skills: http://www.eve-skilltracker.com/badges "What's worse than a foul-mouthed eight-year-old constantly claiming he's had relations with your mother? A foul-mouthed eight-year-old constantly claiming he's had relations with your mother who thinks he's a gangser, that's what." --áAaron Birch |
Titania Hrothgar
Nemesis Retribution No Excuse.
85
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Posted - 2014.07.19 10:23:00 -
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Thanks for the replies. I've already put in sooo much work. I'm glad to read that it's not a dead end.
As for the mentioned skills...
Long Range Targeting 4
Motion Prediction 4
Rapid Firing 4
Sharpshooter 4
Surgical Strike 3
Trajectory Analysis 3
I'm getting there.... All the world's a stage and all the men and women are the players. |
Nalelmir Ahashion
Omegon 42nd Core
523
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Posted - 2014.07.19 10:31:00 -
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there it is... Trajectory analysis to 4 and t2 tracking computer iirc "What's worse than a foul-mouthed eight-year-old constantly claiming he's had relations with your mother? A foul-mouthed eight-year-old constantly claiming he's had relations with your mother who thinks he's a gangser, that's what." --áAaron Birch |
Titania Hrothgar
Nemesis Retribution No Excuse.
85
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Posted - 2014.07.19 10:36:00 -
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Maelstrom
800mm Heavy 'Scout' Repeating Cannon I x8 Large C5-L Emergency Shield Overload I Cap Recharger II Experimental 100MN Afterburner I Kinetic Deflection Field II x2 Thermic Dissipation Field II Gyrostabilizer II x2 Damage Control II Power Diagnostic System II x2 Large Capacitor Control Circuit I Vespa I
FI Hurricane
720mm Howitzer Artillery II x6 Prototype 'Arbalest' Rapid Light Missile Launcher Large C5-L Emergency Shield Overload I Experimental 10MN Afterburner I Kinetic Deflection Field II x2 Gyrostabilizer II Damage Control I Power Diagnostic System II Capacitor Flux Coil II x3 All the world's a stage and all the men and women are the players. |
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Nalelmir Ahashion
Omegon 42nd Core
523
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Posted - 2014.07.19 10:39:00 -
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use this for making ship fits and posting on the forum: https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=24359 "What's worse than a foul-mouthed eight-year-old constantly claiming he's had relations with your mother? A foul-mouthed eight-year-old constantly claiming he's had relations with your mother who thinks he's a gangser, that's what." --áAaron Birch |
Titania Hrothgar
Nemesis Retribution No Excuse.
85
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Posted - 2014.07.19 10:45:00 -
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uggh so I don't have t do ti by hand? Thanks! :) All the world's a stage and all the men and women are the players. |
Nalelmir Ahashion
Omegon 42nd Core
523
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Posted - 2014.07.19 10:49:00 -
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also if u see good fit on the forum you can copy + paste it into the EFT software directly. Also you can connect your API inside EFT and then you get the correct numbers for your character... very handy tool . "What's worse than a foul-mouthed eight-year-old constantly claiming he's had relations with your mother? A foul-mouthed eight-year-old constantly claiming he's had relations with your mother who thinks he's a gangser, that's what." --áAaron Birch |
J'Poll
CDG Playgrounds
4137
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Posted - 2014.07.19 14:20:00 -
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Titania Hrothgar wrote:
Whenever I ask in game (and sometimes on the forums) about what to do about my ships, I often get linked to a caldari state ship. Minmitar isn't a very popular race it seems.
I'll post my ship fits in a bit.
That is simple, because most mission runners are lazy as **** and thus prefer missiles so they can hit F1 and do something else till they have to hit F1 again for the next target. Personal channel: Crazy Dutch Guy
Ever wanted to PvP but can't find people to fly with. Look no further and this chat: Redemption Road |
Nalelmir Ahashion
Omegon 42nd Core
524
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Posted - 2014.07.19 14:24:00 -
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I recently switched from cruise missiles to guns.
Missiles are indeed laziest form of gameplay.. not much thinking in there where with guns bit thinking and actually playing the game will yield better results.
And I can 1 shot frigs at 80 km so I approve. "What's worse than a foul-mouthed eight-year-old constantly claiming he's had relations with your mother? A foul-mouthed eight-year-old constantly claiming he's had relations with your mother who thinks he's a gangser, that's what." --áAaron Birch |
Tau Cabalander
Retirement Retreat Working Stiffs
3898
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Posted - 2014.07.19 16:57:00 -
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My Vargur is my favorite level 4 mission ship. Definitely not a dead-end.
Keep in mind that I was born Caldari, yet I can pilot any ship in EVE (except titans and some transports) equally well, and I chose a projectile ship.
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Nalelmir Ahashion
Omegon 42nd Core
527
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Posted - 2014.07.19 17:21:00 -
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every time I see Projectile weapons in eve I think .. Battlestar Galactica..... http://youtu.be/nwkYaxkDO3c?t=1m28s "What's worse than a foul-mouthed eight-year-old constantly claiming he's had relations with your mother? A foul-mouthed eight-year-old constantly claiming he's had relations with your mother who thinks he's a gangser, that's what." --áAaron Birch |
Maeltstome
Twisted Insanity. The Kadeshi
532
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Posted - 2014.07.21 11:50:00 -
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There was an old saying:
"Welcome to Eve, Please chose your difficulty: Easy Medium Hard Minmatar"
Despite a few years of "winmatar" (e.g. a few key Hulls that have now been nerfed) and people forgot that Minmatar are the most skill intensive race in the game.
Other than turret skills, drones skills are a big deal too - so you will struggle at first until you have a lot of skillpoints. But Minmatar are versatile, so you'll never be bored. |
Velicitia
Arma Artificer
2417
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Posted - 2014.07.21 13:46:00 -
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J'Poll wrote:
Comparing a battleship with AC vs a BC with arty is like comparing an apple and a tomato.
Yes, both are fruit, but that's where it ends.
both are red too (well, for some varieties of apple).
One of the bitter points of a good bittervet is the realisation that all those SP don't really do much, and that the newbie is having much more fun with what little he has. - Tippia |
Bastion Arzi
Dat Tax
109
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Posted - 2014.07.21 14:26:00 -
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J'Poll wrote:Yes, both are fruit, but that's where it ends.
both are roundish, both are yummy, have seeds and make juice... |
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Kitty Bear
Disturbed Friends Of Diazepam Disturbed Acquaintance
1372
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Posted - 2014.07.21 14:58:00 -
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Can be easily T1'ed where requirements aren't met fitting requirements are a little tight (but no implants needed)
[Maelstrom]
8x 1200mm Artillery Cannon II
Large Shield Booster II Shield Boost Amplifier II Adaptive Invulnerability Field II EM Ward Field II Large Micro Jump Drive Tracking Computer II (Tracking Speed Script)
3x Gyrostabilizer II 2x Tracking Enhancer II
Large Projectile Metastasis Adjuster I Large Projectile Collision Accelerator I Large Capacitor Control Circuit I
+512 shield hp/4s 250-620(ish) dps without drones depending on ammo loaded 4x Bouncer II gives around +190dps @ upto 100km 4m of cap-life turrets track at about 2x base amount
p.s. not a minmattar expert, so the fit could probably use a overhaul if so .. what should be swapped for what ? |
Luwc
Biohazard. WINMATAR.
178
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Posted - 2014.07.22 06:53:00 -
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skill yoself before yo wreck yoself...
or something like that http://hugelolcdn.com/i/267520.gif |
Tarko Auduin
Icendus Corux Quam'Nocent
3
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Posted - 2014.07.22 14:52:00 -
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"Skill yoself before you kill yoself" rolls off the tongue much nicer |
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