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Yossarian Toralen
Steel and Iron Regiment
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Posted - 2014.07.19 04:54:00 -
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When you start playing this game and you're after a few isk to buy ships and gear there isn't too many options to go about doing this, one option is to run missions, which I did and now my factions standards are screwed.
Now I'm wanting to join a friend to do faction warfare and my faction standards are too low to join him so I'm left with a few options.
I can grind for a very long time - screw that. (doing it at the moment but getting very tired of it)
I can train up another toon - screw that.
I can spend more money and buy another toon -screw that.
I can sit in on somebody doing missions and share the standings increases they get - good in theory but you have to be on at the same time as somebody that is willing to do it.
I can cancel my subsciption and forget the game excists - viable.
Why would a game create grind by putting in a feature and not warning you about the repercussions or even that it is occuring?
Do CCP make money out of this?
I can't recall any mission giving me any indication that a negative event was occuring, only that a great thing was happening when I did a storyline mission.
Did I miss something along the way?
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Omar Alharazaad
Lords.Of.Midnight The Devil's Warrior Alliance
233
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Posted - 2014.07.19 05:04:00 -
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Train diplomacy to 5. It will help a great deal in mitigating the harm you've done to your standings. From there some of your options aren't terrible, spamming quick missions to get storyline missions can help, just be choosy for whom you work. |
LUMINOUS SPIRIT
The Dark Space Initiative Scary Wormhole People
450
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Posted - 2014.07.19 05:06:00 -
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Yossarian Toralen wrote:When you start playing this game and you're after a few isk to buy ships and gear there isn't too many options to go about doing this, one option is to run missions, which I did and now my factions standards are screwed.
Now I'm wanting to join a friend to do faction warfare and my faction standards are too low to join him so I'm left with a few options.
I can grind for a very long time - screw that. (doing it at the moment but getting very tired of it)
I can train up another toon - screw that.
I can spend more money and buy another toon -screw that.
I can sit in on somebody doing missions and share the standings increases they get - good in theory but you have to be on at the same time as somebody that is willing to do it.
I can cancel my subsciption and forget the game excists - viable.
Why would a game create grind by putting in a feature and not warning you about the repercussions or even that it is occuring?
Do CCP make money out of this?
I can't recall any mission giving me any indication that a negative event was occuring, only that a great thing was happening when I did a storyline mission.
Did I miss something along the way?
Sorry buddy, you fell into one of those things CCP never quite polished. There are quite a few things like that.
There is one or 2 methods to increase your standings again.
1) Train social skill I forget whats it called, but the one that increases your faction standings by a flat 0.4 per skill or so. There arent too many skills, look at the social tab in the skillbooks section. This should buff your standings by a good 1.6 after 3 days of training to level 4.
2) Epic Mission Arcs boost faction standings by a lot. A lot meaning 1-2 full points. And they are quite interesting and profitable, and not too hard to do.
3) There is a corporation/service that has open fleets for mission grinding, that way everyone who does a mission gets standings boost. I hear faction gain is very fast that way. That Im not too sure how it works, but i know it exists.
4) Shooting NPCs that the faction considers an enemy gives a nice faction boost. Want to beef up your caldari standings? Go shoot NPC gallente (of course this ruins your gallente standings too). But this is also a fairly fast way.
5) MIssion grind - very slow, but every 12th mission is a storyline mission - special mission that boosts your standing by quite a lot - if you are at -10 it can give up to 4 points I think in one go. Its progressively less the higher up your standings go.
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6) If you are a new player, if you subscribed, file a ticket, beg CCP customer support to 'help you out'. I know they sometimes give back ships lost to mistakes to newer players - but they do it only once. depending on whom you speak to, they may be jerks, or you might get lucky and stumble on a normal dev who will quietly reset your standings. But i never heard them do it. But, you could try.. |
Scipio Artelius
The Vendunari End of Life
2186
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Posted - 2014.07.19 05:27:00 -
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Join the allied faction and then switch once the standing improves.
You can still have fun in FW that way.
For example, if your friend is in Gallente, see if you can join Minmittar. They are allies so you can fly with him fine and while your in Minmittar, your Gallente standings will improve while you kill Caldari and Ammar. Come Win At Eve - Join The Vendunari
. -á<- Argue this, not this ->-á( -í-¦ -£-û -í-¦) |
Antihrist Pripravnik
T-AFK and counting
499
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Posted - 2014.07.19 05:38:00 -
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http://lmgtfy.com/?q=eve+online+repairing+faction+standing 1 bil-30 days-5% loan available - collateral required: https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=352279 |
Riot Girl
You'll Cowards Don't Even Smoke Crack
3334
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Posted - 2014.07.19 05:48:00 -
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Don't worry about it. Oh god. |
Eugene Kerner
TunDraGon
1275
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Posted - 2014.07.19 06:05:00 -
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Screw that? Screw You! Path.etic Clown you are.
Edith says: training skills will do pathetic Clown no good because "raw Skills" count. Screw that! There are numerous warnings along the "mission briefings" for Clowns like you. TunDraGon is recruiting! "Also, your boobs " -á CCP Eterne, 2012
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DeMichael Crimson
Republic University Minmatar Republic
28651
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Posted - 2014.07.19 06:15:00 -
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*DeMichael Crimson casually drops a copy of 'The Plan' on the table before leaving.* Faction Standing Repair Plan | California Eve Players | (Proposal) Bring Back 'The Endless Battle' Missions |
Cancel Align NOW
Imperial Shipment Amarr Empire
45
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Posted - 2014.07.19 06:40:00 -
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Quote:This is an important mission, which will have significant impact on your faction standings.
Every mission which has an effect on your faction standings has the above warning. It does not state whether the effect is good or bad - you can see that for yourself when you follow up on the warning by checking the resulting change in standing when completing said mission.
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Ralph King-Griffin
Lords.Of.Midnight The Devil's Warrior Alliance
2968
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Posted - 2014.07.19 07:52:00 -
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Omar Alharazaad wrote:Train diplomacy to 5. It will help a great deal in mitigating the harm you've done to your standings. From there some of your options aren't terrible, spamming quick missions to get storyline missions can help, just be choosy for whom you work.
Edit: Also, pretty much any time you blow something up in space it's bound to annoy someone or something. This in combination with a fast ship (a frigate of sorts) and hit the Cosmo agent data centers for the faction you are negative with should sort it out for you.
I got my gallente standing from -9.5 to -4.3 in about an hour or so .
Ignore luminous, all this should be I. Dmc's plan linked above. "Confirming EVE is hot, batshit crazy, and puts out." -Omar Alharazaad "CAKE CANNOT HOLD UP TO BEING A CHARACTER DAMNIT." --áUnsuccessful At Everything |
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Yarda Black
Epidemic. Nulli Secunda
269
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Posted - 2014.07.19 08:16:00 -
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Yossarian Toralen wrote:Did I miss something along the way?
The way standings work apparently
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Jacob Holland
Weyland-Vulcan Industries
293
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Posted - 2014.07.19 09:15:00 -
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Is it no longer possible for him (the guy with good faction standings) to start a corp, enroll it in faction warfare and for you then to join that corp? Or is there now a check which will kick that corp when the aggregate standings are calculated? |
Eugene Kerner
TunDraGon
1275
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Posted - 2014.07.19 09:18:00 -
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Jacob Holland wrote:Is it no longer possible for him (the guy with good faction standings) to start a corp, enroll it in faction warfare and for you then to join that corp? Or is there now a check which will kick that corp when the aggregate standings are calculated? this...even whole alliances get bootet if One corp drops to or below 0.0 standing.
TunDraGon is recruiting! "Also, your boobs " -á CCP Eterne, 2012
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Zappity
Stay Frosty. A Band Apart.
1225
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Posted - 2014.07.19 09:23:00 -
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I don't understand why we can't buy faction standing like we can sec status. Forcing the grind is bad. Zappity's Adventures for a taste of lowsec. |
Nalelmir Ahashion
Omegon 42nd Core
523
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Posted - 2014.07.19 09:24:00 -
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So you shot navies of Empire X and then you want to fight for them? I think they suspect you are a spy or an awoxer :) Such as they are.... "What's worse than a foul-mouthed eight-year-old constantly claiming he's had relations with your mother? A foul-mouthed eight-year-old constantly claiming he's had relations with your mother who thinks he's a gangser, that's what." --áAaron Birch |
J'Poll
CDG Playgrounds
4136
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Posted - 2014.07.19 09:39:00 -
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Too bad OP that there is such a warning.
Every storyline mission clearly state that it will affect faction standings. Every faction has a clear tab called standings that show how that faction is related to the others (work for one will **** off the others).
EVE isn't holding your hand and giving out cookies. It breaks your hand while taking your cookie and then punch you in the face while laughing bwcause you brought a cookie.
In EVE you have to do your own research on things and deal with the ancient system of actions will have consequences.
P.s. if you leave, your stuff...can I have it on contract. Personal channel: Crazy Dutch Guy
Ever wanted to PvP but can't find people to fly with. Look no further and this chat: Redemption Road |
Adrie Atticus
The Shadow Plague The Bastion
161
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Posted - 2014.07.19 09:42:00 -
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Zappity wrote:I don't understand why we can't buy faction standing like we can sec status. Forcing the grind is bad.
You can. |
J'Poll
CDG Playgrounds
4136
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Posted - 2014.07.19 09:44:00 -
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Adrie Atticus wrote:Zappity wrote:I don't understand why we can't buy faction standing like we can sec status. Forcing the grind is bad. You can.
Yep. It is called datacenters. Personal channel: Crazy Dutch Guy
Ever wanted to PvP but can't find people to fly with. Look no further and this chat: Redemption Road |
Zappity
Stay Frosty. A Band Apart.
1225
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Posted - 2014.07.19 09:52:00 -
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J'Poll wrote:Adrie Atticus wrote:Zappity wrote:I don't understand why we can't buy faction standing like we can sec status. Forcing the grind is bad. You can. Yep. It is called datacenters. Aren't they one time missions? Not to mention needlessly complicated and annoying mechanics. The whole standings mechanics could really use a makeover. Zappity's Adventures for a taste of lowsec. |
Scipio Artelius
The Vendunari End of Life
2189
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Posted - 2014.07.19 09:56:00 -
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Zappity wrote:The whole standings mechanics could really use a makeover. Not accusing you of this, but as a general observation the whole "this could really use a makeover" is usually a statement that "things could be made easier'.
No need to make things easier as he already has several viable options to correct things.
The NPE could be made more explicit about these things so new players are more informed about the consequences of their choices, but the consequences don't need to be changed. Come Win At Eve - Join The Vendunari
. -á<- Argue this, not this ->-á( -í-¦ -£-û -í-¦) |
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Ralph King-Griffin
Lords.Of.Midnight The Devil's Warrior Alliance
2968
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Posted - 2014.07.19 09:57:00 -
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Zappity wrote:J'Poll wrote:Adrie Atticus wrote:Zappity wrote:I don't understand why we can't buy faction standing like we can sec status. Forcing the grind is bad. You can. Yep. It is called datacenters. Aren't they one time missions? Not to mention needlessly complicated and annoying mechanics. The whole standings mechanics could really use a makeover. this is verry much the case. "Confirming EVE is hot, batshit crazy, and puts out." -Omar Alharazaad "CAKE CANNOT HOLD UP TO BEING A CHARACTER DAMNIT." --áUnsuccessful At Everything |
BrundleMeth
Caldari Provisions Caldari State
180
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Posted - 2014.07.19 10:14:00 -
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OP....
Go play something else. Problem solved... |
Omar Alharazaad
Lords.Of.Midnight The Devil's Warrior Alliance
234
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Posted - 2014.07.19 10:16:00 -
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I'm not a fan of making things easier, as it tends to steal the sense of accomplishment from those who've mucked their way through things for years, so I'd be pretty dubious to any attempt to revamp how the standings system works.
On the other hand, reworking how the pertinent information is relayed to the player might not be a bad thing. We've seen quite a few changes as to how information is displayed to us in the last few expansions, and quite of bit of it for the better IMO. It would be nice if it were easier to see changes in your standings displayed in a more comprehensive fashion on the character sheet. The current display works, but it has room for improvement. |
Zappity
Stay Frosty. A Band Apart.
1225
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Posted - 2014.07.19 10:16:00 -
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Scipio Artelius wrote:Zappity wrote:The whole standings mechanics could really use a makeover. Not accusing you of this, but as a general observation the whole "this could really use a makeover" is usually a statement that "things could be made easier'. No need to make things easier as he already has several viable options to correct things. The NPE could be made more explicit about these things so new players are more informed about the consequences of their choices, but the consequences don't need to be changed. You are exactly right. It should be made easier. I don't see that the complexity of the plan (and the compulsory grind that goes with it) add enough positive gameplay to justify the nuisance. Compare the plan with the sec status tags in which you acquire, take to a lowsec station, pay some isk and you're done.
Note that I'm not arguing for any change to consequences, just the mechanics to repair those consequences. Zappity's Adventures for a taste of lowsec. |
Gully Alex Foyle
Black Fox Marauders Repeat 0ffenders
1480
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Posted - 2014.07.19 10:16:00 -
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I have to agree with the OP on this one.
For something that can have fairly annoying consequences, the standings system is laughably obscure for a new player.
Quote:This is an important mission, which will have significant impact on your faction standings. Simply changing that to 'Dude, if you complete this mission Amarr will love you but Minmatar will hate your guts and eventually shoot at you in their highsec space' would be an improvement. EVE Online: Death-o-meter |
Adrie Atticus
The Shadow Plague The Bastion
161
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Posted - 2014.07.19 10:55:00 -
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J'Poll wrote:Adrie Atticus wrote:Zappity wrote:I don't understand why we can't buy faction standing like we can sec status. Forcing the grind is bad. You can. Yep. It is called datacenters.
Think more elaborate, no need to get stuck on datacenters.
Edit: another hint is that this requires social interaction, which is obviously not allowed in an MMO. |
Dave Stark
6649
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Posted - 2014.07.19 11:03:00 -
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faction standings are one of the most stupid things in eve that really should be looked at. |
Yossarian Toralen
Steel and Iron Regiment
1
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Posted - 2014.07.19 11:51:00 -
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Except for the minority, there has been many helpful replies, thank you.
While it does mention faction standings as you are playing the game nowhere does it say that you can negatively impact faction standings to such a degree by doing 1 mission that it will take you 16 or so to undo the damage done by one, if I was in a position that I couldn't do level 3 missions for a friendly faction it would be more like 50 to 1 level 1 missions.
It doesn't have to be easier, just more clearly displayed and explained at the point where you accept the mission, almost every other negative impact is warned about, try remove a rig and it warns you of the negative impact it will have.
Why can't it display that you get a -2.4% faction standings for doing some missions? |
Yossarian Toralen
Steel and Iron Regiment
1
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Posted - 2014.07.19 12:09:00 -
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Eugene Kerner wrote:Screw that? Screw You! Path.etic Clown you are.
Edith says: training skills will do pathetic Clown no good because "raw Skills" count. Screw that! There are numerous warnings along the "mission briefings" for Clowns like you.
Seeing as you are my first troll I believe you need a little attention and a bit of guidance.
You obviously have a few issues that need to be sorted out.
The English language, very dificult it is and I can tell you are working hard at it and probably don't even realise that you are being rude.
When I say screw that about an activity, I'm not insulting you I'm merely conveying my dislike for said activity
I'm sorry I found fault in a game that you hold so dear.
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Arec Bardwin
1465
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Posted - 2014.07.19 12:21:00 -
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When you join the milita it will further screw your standing with the opposite factions |
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