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Ima Wreckyou
The Conference Elite CODE.
51
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Posted - 2014.07.20 11:50:00 -
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CCP will not listen, but the New Order is aware of the problem and uses all means possible to bring back the risk to Highsec.
If you want to support our cause and help to restore the balance, a Catalyst alt only needs an empty character slot and a few SP. If you don't want to join the fight you can support James 315's Catalyst reimbursement program by purchasing shares and keep the Barges, Orcas and Freighters exploding all around Highsec.
For a better Highsec and a better EVE the Code ALWAYS wins |
Gallowmere Rorschach
Enlightened Industries Goonswarm Federation
485
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Posted - 2014.07.20 11:53:00 -
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Nalelmir Ahashion wrote:then mine in highsec if it's much better. this kinds of threads are a joke...
who cares how much money you make... what's possibly can you purchase that will change your gaming experience? you'll do exactly same activity after that. First: be careful what you wish for. As for your second statement: you've obviously never participated in fleet level pvp. Not all alliances are well off enough to offer the kind of SRP program that GSF has. In such cases, the loss of a few doctrine battleships in a week can completely destroy the finances of any player who wasn't already loaded. Hell, even in the case of GSF members, waiting on said SRP to process can knock some people out of fights temporarily. Of course, they could always fly something cheaper in the meantime, but a doctrine ends up pretty damned compromised if half of the people show up in T1 frigs or ceptors, because they can't afford to lose anything more than that. |
Felicity Love
Caldari Provisions Caldari State
2034
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Posted - 2014.07.20 12:08:00 -
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Rena Emishi wrote:
CCP you game is a lie. Why are you forcing people to do mundane risk free activities by not offering huge rewards for taking risks.
Psssssssshhhhhhhhhhhhhh.... (the "p" is silent, like pneutron) plenty of people still fall for that old gag.
"EVE is dying." -- The Four Forum Trolls of the Apocalypse.-á-á ( Pick four, any four. They all smell. -á)
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Hasikan Miallok
Republic University Minmatar Republic
985
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Posted - 2014.07.20 12:54:00 -
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Making high sec more risky and halfing the ISK per hour people make in highsec is not going to cause a sudden rush of players into losec and null.
Just saying.
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Gallowmere Rorschach
Enlightened Industries Goonswarm Federation
486
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Posted - 2014.07.20 12:59:00 -
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Hasikan Miallok wrote:Making high sec more risky and halfing the ISK per hour people make in highsec is not going to cause a sudden rush of players into losec and null.
Just saying.
Wait...when did this turn into a "nerf highsec" thread? It looked to me to be more like a "buff everything else" thread. |
Josef Djugashvilis
Acme Mining Corporation
2468
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Posted - 2014.07.20 13:22:00 -
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Rena Emishi wrote:So for fun I have been mining in low sec and null sec in the new prospect ship. I can make more money afk mining in high sec.
Data and relic sites in low sec and null sec -- . Time to isk.. I can make more money afk mining in high sec. or running risk free level 4s in high sec.
CCP you game is a lie. Why are you forcing people to do mundane risk free activities by not offering huge rewards for taking risks.
La Nariz, is that you? This is not a signature. |
Alavaria Fera
GoonWaffe
6235
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Posted - 2014.07.20 13:33:00 -
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The prospect... hmm.
Anyone here been hotdropped by one yet? ^^ Delicious goon ((tech nerf, siphon, drone assist, supercap)) tears.
Taking a wrecking ball to the futile hopes and broken dreams of skillless blobbers. |
Rena Emishi
The Scope Gallente Federation
26
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Posted - 2014.07.20 14:10:00 -
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Authorised Permit Seller wrote:Rena Emishi wrote:
I can make more money afk mining in high sec.
Please make sure you do not or a friendly representative of the CODE. will happily pay you a visit. :)
Come get me |
Grimpak
Shifting Sands Trader Cartel Bleak Horizon Alliance.
1736
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Posted - 2014.07.20 14:16:00 -
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sorry, but if the cake is a lie, why would anything else be different? [img]http://eve-files.com/sig/grimpak[/img]
[quote]The more I know about humans, the more I love animals.[/quote] ain't that right |
Claud Tiberius
54
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Posted - 2014.07.20 14:31:00 -
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The rewards from low sec are better than whats found in high sec. However high sec is a very safe place to be, so why risk going into low sec then? Well it comes down to reducing the risk.... when you find a way to remove the risk, low sec is the better option. Usually removing risk involves a bit of intel, searching for the right place, setting up your interests. Getting support from others is most important.
Once upon a time the Golem had a Raven hull and it looked good. Then it transformed into a plataduck. The end. |
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Elsa Hayes
Science and Trade Institute Caldari State
0
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Posted - 2014.07.20 14:59:00 -
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Yes the Op is right risk = reward is a lie considering the rent masters of the blue doughnut with their none territorial warfare agreement rake in trillions a month with renting and moon milking with 0 risk to their assets other than if they choose to have a fight for the lulz !
That however is not their fault as well but rather the result of terrible sov mechanics and power projection.
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Sibyyl
Gallente Federation
3361
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Posted - 2014.07.20 15:11:00 -
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Rena Emishi wrote:Come get me, at least ill get my danger fix. The overall quality of your responses in this thread seem to discourage a healthy discussion. Is that your intention? .. when everything else is gone .. |
admiral root
Red Galaxy
1436
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Posted - 2014.07.20 16:57:00 -
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Raw Matters wrote:Missioneering in high can make you up to 40m/h
Poppycock. It's a good bit higher than that. No, your rights end in optimal+2*falloff |
Benny Ohu
Chaotic Tranquility
3629
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Posted - 2014.07.20 17:03:00 -
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admiral root wrote:Raw Matters wrote:Missioneering in high can make you up to 40m/h Poppycock. It's a good bit higher than that. my apocalypse goes 273 miles an hour |
Jonah Gravenstein
Machiavellian Space Bastards
19676
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Posted - 2014.07.20 17:07:00 -
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Benny Ohu wrote:admiral root wrote:Raw Matters wrote:Missioneering in high can make you up to 40m/h Poppycock. It's a good bit higher than that. my apocalypse goes 273 miles an hour 88MPH while under TiDi
Nil mortifi sine lucre |
baltec1
Bat Country Goonswarm Federation
12432
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Posted - 2014.07.20 17:19:00 -
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Jonah Gravenstein wrote:Benny Ohu wrote:admiral root wrote:Raw Matters wrote:Missioneering in high can make you up to 40m/h Poppycock. It's a good bit higher than that. my apocalypse goes 273 miles an hour 88MPH while under TiDi
Still fast enough to see some serious ****. Join Bat Country today and defend the Glorious Socialist Dictatorship |
Rena Emishi
The Scope Gallente Federation
28
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Posted - 2014.07.20 17:19:00 -
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This is off topic.. but how many destroyer's would be needed to take down a orca with those new hull rigs? |
Jonah Gravenstein
Machiavellian Space Bastards
19676
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Posted - 2014.07.20 17:34:00 -
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Rena Emishi wrote:This is off topic.. but how many destroyer's would be needed to take down a orca with those new hull rigs? I know a guy that is need of orca ganking. could prob get you his fit and intel of when hes out.. Wouldn't mind tagging along for a gank with my alt not up for joining your alliance as I wouldn't make a habit of it. But id be willing to replace the ships lost to concord. Around 30-35 T2 Cats in a 0.5 if the Orca is fitted with invuls, large shield extenders, a DCII, reinforced bulkheads and T2 transverse bulkheads*
*Napkin math, with decent skills an Orca should hit 420k+ EHP if fitted as above, T2 Cats push out 600-700 DPS.
Nil mortifi sine lucre |
Hadrian Blackstone
Yamato Holdings
60
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Posted - 2014.07.20 17:45:00 -
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I guess some people have better fortitude, but for me it only takes about 20 minutes of mission running or mining to wanna blow my brains out. I'd rather be a bad guy than do that mundane crap. |
Ria Nieyli
Nieyli Enterprises
13549
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Posted - 2014.07.20 18:43:00 -
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Jonah Gravenstein wrote:Rena Emishi wrote:This is off topic.. but how many destroyer's would be needed to take down a orca with those new hull rigs? I know a guy that is need of orca ganking. could prob get you his fit and intel of when hes out.. Wouldn't mind tagging along for a gank with my alt not up for joining your alliance as I wouldn't make a habit of it. But id be willing to replace the ships lost to concord. Around 30-35 T2 Cats in a 0.5 if the Orca is fitted with invuls, large shield extenders, a DCII, reinforced bulkheads and T2 transverse bulkheads* *Napkin math, with decent skills an Orca should hit 420k+ EHP if fitted as above, T2 Cats push out 600-700 DPS.
EFTing an Orca with my skills and aforementioned fit puts it at 451k ehp, and I lack shield tanking skills which could push it up a bit higher. Just FYI. Do not remove a fly from your friend's forehead with a hatchet.
- Ancient Chinese Proverb |
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Jonah Gravenstein
Machiavellian Space Bastards
19679
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Posted - 2014.07.20 18:51:00 -
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Ria Nieyli wrote:EFTing an Orca with my skills and aforementioned fit puts it at 451k ehp, and I lack shield tanking skills which could push it up a bit higher. Just FYI. 10% error, not bad for some napkin math. 451k ehp is a scary amount to chew through in ~20 seconds.
Nil mortifi sine lucre |
Hasikan Miallok
Republic University Minmatar Republic
986
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Posted - 2014.07.20 23:50:00 -
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Jonah Gravenstein wrote:Ria Nieyli wrote:EFTing an Orca with my skills and aforementioned fit puts it at 451k ehp, and I lack shield tanking skills which could push it up a bit higher. Just FYI. 10% error, not bad for some napkin math. 451k ehp is a scary amount to chew through in ~20 seconds.
It would actually be an issue if people started tanking orcas to that level.
Truth is almost no-one does. For the occasional individual that bothers, good on them. |
Ocih
Space Mermaids Somethin Awfull Forums
647
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Posted - 2014.07.21 00:04:00 -
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450K EHP
Sounds great but the ability to gank capitals in HiSec was never tied to EHP. It was tied to the ability to bump them or otherwise prevent them from warping.
MWD, dual web frigate works best. |
Arcelian
Metentis
79
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Posted - 2014.07.21 00:59:00 -
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Yes, low sec sucks for making money, the risk is not even close proportionately to the reward...when you are by yourself. You can't just roll up to a .2 system, start mining, and think that sort of angle is going to be profitable. You're gonna get blown up, sooner or later, or just have to stop what you are doing anytime someone comes through.
Now if you had a corporation that operated there, perhaps things could happen. Would it be worth it isk wise? Probably not. But that's as good as it's going to get.
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Nexus Day
Lustrevik Trade and Travel Bureau
1025
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Posted - 2014.07.21 01:07:00 -
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Random says something without facts to support in GD.
Oh my, CCP do something! This thread has so much content it may be 'Thread of the Year' and it is only January.
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Madam Lash
13
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Posted - 2014.07.21 01:55:00 -
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Rena Emishi wrote:So for fun I have been mining in low sec and null sec in the new prospect ship. I can make more money afk mining in high sec.
Data and relic sites in low sec and null sec -- . Time to isk.. I can make more money afk mining in high sec. or running risk free level 4s in high sec.
CCP you game is a lie. Why are you forcing people to do mundane risk free activities by not offering huge rewards for taking risks.
It's not like you're taking huge risks in cloaky ships now is it? If you put the time and effort into null and low you'll make a lot more money than your AFKing mining will ever make...
While you're complaining take a look at the main mission hubs to see how many shiny mission running ships worth billions of ISK are killed to gank fleets because like you they think HS has no risk - its nice when people take the time to in game prove them wrong. |
Rena Emishi
The Scope Gallente Federation
36
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Posted - 2014.07.21 02:27:00 -
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Madam Lash wrote:Rena Emishi wrote:So for fun I have been mining in low sec and null sec in the new prospect ship. I can make more money afk mining in high sec.
Data and relic sites in low sec and null sec -- . Time to isk.. I can make more money afk mining in high sec. or running risk free level 4s in high sec.
CCP you game is a lie. Why are you forcing people to do mundane risk free activities by not offering huge rewards for taking risks. It's not like you're taking huge risks in cloaky ships now is it? If you put the time and effort into null and low you'll make a lot more money than your AFKing mining will ever make... While you're complaining take a look at the main mission hubs to see how many shiny mission running ships worth billions of ISK are killed to gank fleets because like you they think HS has no risk - its nice when people take the time to in game prove them wrong.
I was talking about low and null sec activities as a whole not just mining in low sec in that cloaky ship... But just to cover the sed cloaky mining- granted their isn't a huge risk of losing that ship but having to hide and move ect to avoid other players is the hindrances to isk making along with painfully risky and time consuming logistics of selling your hard earned ore that you don't have to deal with in high sec.
Ill say again yes I know you can make more money in null sec... IF you are part of a alliance that has secured the space making it relatively safe dimensioning the risk and also easing the logistic problems with jump freighters and their own mini trade hubs etc. And that's how it should be if tons of players to work together to create that kind of climate the deserve the benefits. They doo have to defend that space and that costs time and money etc..
My argument is a small corp or solo player should have options to make a lot more isk in low and null sec because of the risk factor. Mining, data sites / relic sites and so on.. in low sec and npc null sec should have a better risk v reward ratio.
And your point about some idiot faction fitting a battle ship to run level 4s is a mute point. That person dosnt need those mods to make the same amount of isk he could make a living and T2 and meta level 4 mods. I could say what about that faction fit Stratios that was ganked in some ghost site in low sec... I just don't get your point, he is increasing his risk above what it should be in high sec... because he is offering a nice kill mail and loot rewards for his death. |
Heavypredator Singh
Dedicated Individuals Conditioned to Kill Mordus Angels
15
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Posted - 2014.07.21 02:57:00 -
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You can make 1,5bil in 20 minutes in lowsec and nullsec. But You need to use expensive ships - 600-2000mil. You cant do that much in hisec. This is real risk vs reward not the mining - mining is lowest of professions in this game and pays bad everywhere. |
Sibyyl
Gallente Federation
3385
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Posted - 2014.07.21 03:13:00 -
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Heavypredator Singh wrote:You can make 1,5bil in 20 minutes in lowsec and nullsec. But You need to use expensive ships - 600-2000mil. You cant do that much in hisec. This is real risk vs reward not the mining - mining is lowest of professions in this game and pays bad everywhere. Doing what?
Edit: I'm guessing ratting. Seems a bit high for ratting. .. when everything else is gone .. |
ZAKURELL0 LINDA
Black Scorpions Inc Circle-Of-Two
55
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Posted - 2014.07.21 05:46:00 -
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mining in HS profitable?????? either u r using isboxer with 10+ barges (which u didn't), or u r doing it wrong......
drop ur pickaxe and pickup a rifter, that's wt we called RISK. RIP Iron Lady |
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