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Amseln deBrabant
Ochsenbruegger
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Posted - 2014.07.20 10:19:00 -
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what is the best L4 mission boat? (L4 sec mission, general mission from sisters of eve)
i currently use a rail Vindi (good fit, with medium expensive officer/navy mods (total ship cost ~1.5 bil, but not top of the top equipmet, i use t2 guns eg)
i get 960 gun dps out, up to 45 optimal range (80 falloff) + drones (140dps) for fighting the npc frigs, tank is holding ofc
doing l4s in roughly 20 minutes each with about 100m isk/h, give and take (thats included converting sisters LP)
any better setups there? |
Carniflex
StarHunt Mordus Angels
258
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Posted - 2014.07.20 10:52:00 -
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Depends on how you run them, skill levels, etc.
Might be worth considering Mach as well, it's warp speed/ good agility bonuses can chop few extra minutes off the completion time for some missions. And it's not confined into doing only kin/thermal.
Rattlesnake is actually sort of decent. Just rather slow as far as normal space speed goes. Here, sanity... niiiice sanity, come to daddy... okay, that's a good sanity... *THWONK!* GOT the bastard. |
Nalelmir Ahashion
Omegon 42nd Core
533
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Posted - 2014.07.20 11:22:00 -
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if you loot and salvage then a marauder. warp in > bastion mode > MTU shoot and loot. "What's worse than a foul-mouthed eight-year-old constantly claiming he's had relations with your mother? A foul-mouthed eight-year-old constantly claiming he's had relations with your mother who thinks he's a gangser, that's what." --áAaron Birch |
Zacarias Ion
Hedion University Amarr Empire
1
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Posted - 2014.07.20 11:25:00 -
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Kronos, Paladin, Vargur. |
DingieSan
Black Salmon
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Posted - 2014.07.20 11:34:00 -
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Depends on skill points and the desired play style.
I use Navy Domi with sentries because i have very high skills for that and its my preferred style of playing. Occasionally I take out the hyperion for blaster fun. Some mission rats deal extreme amount of damage, so always grinding for only 20 minutes seem impossible to me. My SoE agents standing is 9.9. |
Antillie Sa'Kan
Forging Industries Silent Infinity
546
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Posted - 2014.07.20 12:54:00 -
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Oh boy, another officer fit mission boat.
Locator agents, blah, blah, blah... |
Yee Ant
Indus Pirotech
2
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Posted - 2014.07.20 13:31:00 -
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all boats are good, I regularly run SoE lvl 4s in SIng and Caldari space, have tried all t1 mini and Caldari BS, with 100% t1 gear and middling skills (essentials upto 4/5 or 5/5, everything else 3/5) and never had a problem. If you do, you can afford it. Typhoon is an excellent starter boat for L4s, Raven is better maybe but less fun.
As for pirate faction, all are good, in my personal order of ease mach/rattle/nightmare (have not tried Vindi as Hybrid skills not worth it). Personal order of enjoyment, nightmare/mach/rattle.
When choosing a boat, decide your priorities. Are you doing L4s for the ISK grind, for rep? Or just to pass time on a Sunday afternoon? If you are doing it for the ISK, then spending ISK on an expensive Pirate t2 boat makes little sense when a t1 setup such as phoon is perfectly capable. most PVErs shield tank, so is to be taken into consideration, and is one reason we see too few amarr boats.
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Hakaari Inkuran
State War Academy Caldari State
134
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Posted - 2014.07.20 14:18:00 -
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The lv 4 boat that's most fun for you is the best boat. Maximizing your isk/hr is meaningless if you're slitting your wrists while doing it. But some boats require you to put more effort into using them. Some boats require you to pilot your ship directly more often, and some boats require you to micromanage your modules more. If this doesn't work for you, then a "best" boat is no longer best.
That being said, Machariel could be said to be the best boat because it has a double damage bonus, selectable damage, instant application, room for a tractor beam, and the angels line sort of double-dips for "unique pirate" role bonus by having incredibly high mobility and agility (this already defined their racial line) and then also being handed a warp speed bonus just recently that it totally didn't need. Of course this double dipping is hidden because the speed and agility bonuses are built into the hull without showing up under "role bonus". Also the machariel can't easily loot and salvage the field like a marauder can. The mach is limited to clearing for bounties and moving on, or simply blitzing, since a MTU will not pull in wrecks at the speed a Mach creates them. Marauders can help their MTU along by tractoring in wrecks themselves.
Anybody will tell you paladin or nightmare can be slightly better than the competition in amarr space since those two ships put out superior DPS to any other gunboat from 20km outward, shooting into the sansha and BR resist holes. Paladin has its damage bonus built into the marauder skill, so you are kind of compelled to take a x10 skill to V. The other marauders are slightly more forgiving about having the marauder skill at IV. Nightmare gets its damage for free and still has utility slots for tractor beams.
There's no "best". It depends. |
stoicfaux
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Posted - 2014.07.20 20:39:00 -
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Zacarias Ion wrote:Kronos, Paladin, Vargur. This ^^ but with a warp speed rig or two.
WASABI: Warp Acceleration System Ancillary Boost Injected(Gäó)
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Nolak Ataru
Incursion Osprey Replacement Fund LLC
109
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Posted - 2014.07.20 20:48:00 -
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I t d e p e n d s o n y o u r p l a y s t y l e . |
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Ireland VonVicious
Vicious Trading Company
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Posted - 2014.07.20 21:21:00 -
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Rattlesnake. |
Hasikan Miallok
Republic University Minmatar Republic
990
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Posted - 2014.07.21 01:52:00 -
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Assault Frigates for the street cred. |
Creamdream
Unlimited Potential
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Posted - 2014.07.22 01:25:00 -
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Rattlesnake 1.4k dps at long range |
Creamdream
Unlimited Potential
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Posted - 2014.07.22 01:26:00 -
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Nolak Ataru wrote:I t d e p e n d s o n y o u r p l a y s t y l e . Please put your keyboard in the shredder. |
Nolak Ataru
Incursion Osprey Replacement Fund LLC
115
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Posted - 2014.07.22 02:12:00 -
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Creamdream wrote:Nolak Ataru wrote:I t d e p e n d s o n y o u r p l a y s t y l e . Please put your keyboard in the shredder.
Only if you send me $99 (tax included). I'll record it as well.
But seriously. Everything depends on your playstyle. You might be more cautious than me, so you'd prefer to fly a MJD Rat-Specific-Tank Domi, while I fly a Omnitank PulseDin. Heck, I know a buddy who runs L4s in a shield tanked Vindicator! I was tempted to do that, but I don't want to take that much risk. |
stoicfaux
5178
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Posted - 2014.07.22 13:07:00 -
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Creamdream wrote:Rattlesnake 1.4k dps at long range Depends on the mission. I'm still researching whether the RS is better at Level 4s than a Vargur, but the mission and mission distance (i.e. warp speed) has a noticeable impact on the Rattlesnake's efficiency.
WASABI: Warp Acceleration System Ancillary Boost Injected(Gäó)
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Nolak Ataru
Incursion Osprey Replacement Fund LLC
115
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Posted - 2014.07.22 15:08:00 -
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stoicfaux wrote:Creamdream wrote:Rattlesnake 1.4k dps at long range Depends on the mission. I'm still researching whether the RS is better at Level 4s than a Vargur, but the mission and mission distance (i.e. warp speed) has a noticeable impact on the Rattlesnake's efficiency.
You can make a table of the average of 5 runs on each mission with each ship, and you can see which ones the Vargur shines at, and which ones the Rattler shines at. |
Bibosikus
Flowery Twats
189
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Posted - 2014.07.22 15:42:00 -
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I see your RS and raise you a pair of RR Ishtars Eagles may soar, but weasels don't get sucked into jet engines.
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Estella Osoka
Deep Void Merc Syndicate
419
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Posted - 2014.07.22 16:02:00 -
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Rattlesnake does good DPS, but if you are fitting out 5 launchers, then your drones are not going to have the best optimal control range. So the Rattlesnake isn't a 100+km platform anymore. It is more in the 70-90km range. |
Marcus Walkuris
Aww yeahhh
102
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Posted - 2014.07.22 21:10:00 -
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Nolak Ataru wrote:stoicfaux wrote:Creamdream wrote:Rattlesnake 1.4k dps at long range Depends on the mission. I'm still researching whether the RS is better at Level 4s than a Vargur, but the mission and mission distance (i.e. warp speed) has a noticeable impact on the Rattlesnake's efficiency. You can make a table of the average of 5 runs on each mission with each ship, and you can see which ones the Vargur shines at, and which ones the Rattler shines at.
The amount of variables that a rattlesnake brings are very huge. So here is my kill sequence which seems to be optimal after a long time of play. First off, the rattler does worst with curators, it has no ranged or tracking bonus for drones therefor it is stuck with the curators stats that don't really fit within the 80-40km threshold that it does best at. Note that Gardes do well enough up close but most things you shoot with gardes are killed by Wardens if all goes well. So where should one fly a rattler for sensible results? angel space. Why? because gurristas and serpentis are still quite a pain for a rattlesnake with their specific E-war, especially now that the rattler isn't a sniper platform anymore, thus letting sentries shoot whatever isn't good enough. Also cruise missiles rely on a painter, so do geckos. PAck a gecko for frigates, never use lights, just paint them and even that isn't needed perse.
Order of death= sentries on: frigates>cruisers>BS. Cruises on: Elite cruisers>BC>BS>Cruisers. No need to mention E-war ships take priority.
Last and not least, I do hope you fly something that isn't blinged up the wazoo, since that isn't very representative of what most people would fly. but that is personal preference a lot of people love flying Pinatas. |
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Ginger Barbarella
1951
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Posted - 2014.07.22 22:28:00 -
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Sounds to me like OP is trying to bait some KMs... "Blow it all on Quafe and strippers." --- Sorlac |
Hasikan Miallok
Republic University Minmatar Republic
1000
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Posted - 2014.07.23 01:16:00 -
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Marcus Walkuris wrote:Nolak Ataru wrote:stoicfaux wrote:Creamdream wrote:Rattlesnake 1.4k dps at long range Depends on the mission. I'm still researching whether the RS is better at Level 4s than a Vargur, but the mission and mission distance (i.e. warp speed) has a noticeable impact on the Rattlesnake's efficiency. You can make a table of the average of 5 runs on each mission with each ship, and you can see which ones the Vargur shines at, and which ones the Rattler shines at. The amount of variables that a rattlesnake brings are very huge. So here is my kill sequence which seems to be optimal after a long time of play. First off, the rattler does worst with curators, it has no ranged or tracking bonus for drones therefor it is stuck with the curators stats that don't really fit within the 80-40km threshold that it does best at. Note that Gardes do well enough up close but most things you shoot with gardes are killed by Wardens if all goes well. So where should one fly a rattler for sensible results? angel space. Why? because gurristas and serpentis are still quite a pain for a rattlesnake with their specific E-war, especially now that the rattler isn't a sniper platform anymore, thus letting sentries shoot whatever isn't good enough. Also cruise missiles rely on a painter, so do geckos. PAck a gecko for frigates, never use lights, just paint them and even that isn't needed perse. Order of death= sentries on: frigates>cruisers>BS. Cruises on: Elite cruisers>BC>BS>Cruisers. No need to mention E-war ships take priority. Last and not least, I do hope you fly something that isn't blinged up the wazoo, since that isn't very representative of what most people would fly. but that is personal preference a lot of people love flying Pinatas. P.S. my fit. [Rattlesnake, current active rattler] Ballistic Control System II Ballistic Control System II Ballistic Control System II Drone Damage Amplifier II Drone Damage Amplifier II Drone Damage Amplifier II Federation Navy Omnidirectional Tracking Link Federation Navy Omnidirectional Tracking Link, Tracking Speed Script Pith B-Type Large Shield Booster Adaptive Invulnerability Field II Adaptive Invulnerability Field II Large Micro Jump Drive Phased Weapon Navigation Array Generation Extron Cruise Missile Launcher II, Scourge Fury Cruise Missile Cruise Missile Launcher II, Scourge Fury Cruise Missile Cruise Missile Launcher II, Scourge Fury Cruise Missile Cruise Missile Launcher II, Scourge Fury Cruise Missile Cruise Missile Launcher II, Scourge Fury Cruise Missile Drone Link Augmentor II Large Warhead Rigor Catalyst I Large Warhead Rigor Catalyst I Large Ionic Field Projector I
Do you find a pith B and 2 invuls is enough tank or do you occasionally need to warp out ??
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Hakaari Inkuran
State War Academy Caldari State
143
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Posted - 2014.07.23 01:20:00 -
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He's MJD and has 1600 gank, I'm sure he will only ever run away from guristas.
And I'm not even sure about those guys, since you can always just throw on 2 kin hardeners. |
Ireland VonVicious
Vicious Trading Company
339
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Posted - 2014.07.23 02:32:00 -
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Here you go:
Brawler fit. Bad ass as it comes. Cost a pretty penny and needs high SP.
http://eve.battleclinic.com/loadout/70554-MWD-L4-Rattlesnake-1733-DPS-with-implants.html
MJD fit. Runs mainly with wardens. Saves on the isk. Can be ran with lower SP. Still kicks ass.
http://eve.battleclinic.com/loadout/70136-Rattlesnake-Kronos-Optimal-L4-Missioner.html#msg1022660
Anything else is second rate for L4's. Ya I'm talking about Machs and Mauraders. Those days are over. |
Murphy Boy
Federal Navy Academy Gallente Federation
1
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Posted - 2014.07.23 20:34:00 -
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Hasikan Miallok wrote: Do you find a pith B and 2 invuls is enough tank or do you occasionally need to warp out ??
I run a similar fit but with a sensor booster instead of an invul. If you are sniping from far enough away, you rarely get hit. Only have to warp out when I screw up. |
Maldiro Selkurk
CHEMO IMMUNO RESISTANT VIRUS X
169
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Posted - 2014.07.23 20:44:00 -
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Depends on your play style but I would suggest either:
1. Golem
or
2. Golem Yawn,-á I'm right as usual. The predictability kinda gets boring really. |
Tulber
Caldari State
6
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Posted - 2014.07.23 21:20:00 -
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Ireland VonVicious wrote:
T0p l3l m8. |
jolly rog3rs
Brown Coats Unite
0
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Posted - 2014.07.24 06:33:00 -
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I just came back to Eve. I'm using a HAM Cerberus fit with a T2 LSB and 10mn AFB to run level 4s right now. Love flying it in missions, but I avoid any with heavy EM damage. With level 5 skills I get good numbers. I'll eventually go back to my Tengu though. Basically use whatever you like and can comfortably run them in. Otherwise they will get tedious fast. |
Estella Osoka
Deep Void Merc Syndicate
419
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Posted - 2014.07.24 14:28:00 -
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Pimped out Vindi is nice.
[Vindicator, pve] Federation Navy Magnetic Field Stabilizer Federation Navy Magnetic Field Stabilizer Federation Navy Magnetic Field Stabilizer Corelum B-Type Energized Thermic Membrane Corelum B-Type Energized Kinetic Membrane Corpus C-Type Large Armor Repairer Damage Control II
Gist X-Type 100MN Microwarpdrive Cap Recharger II Cap Recharger II Tracking Computer II, Optimal Range Script True Sansha Stasis Webifier
Neutron Blaster Cannon II, Null L Neutron Blaster Cannon II, Null L Neutron Blaster Cannon II, Null L Neutron Blaster Cannon II, Null L Neutron Blaster Cannon II, Null L Neutron Blaster Cannon II, Null L Neutron Blaster Cannon II, Null L Neutron Blaster Cannon II, Null L
Large Capacitor Control Circuit I Large Capacitor Control Circuit I Large Capacitor Control Circuit II
Gecko x2 Hammerhead II x2 Hobgoblin II x1
Total dps is: 1411 with Null and drones 1687 w/ Faction Anti-matter and drones 1845 with Void and drones
Can I get a blap, blap, blap?
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Mike Azariah
DemSal Corporation DemSal Unlimited
1316
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Posted - 2014.07.24 20:32:00 -
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Main thing is to balance out risk of someone noticing your nice ship vs efficiency.
If you fly a nice looking thing then don't run L4's at a major hub like the sisters hisce offices. You are just askign for it.
Me, I have a few but my go to is a domi, second is a navy scorp
m Mike Azariah-á CSM8 and now CSM9 |
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