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Distuth Brinalle
Wraith.Wing
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Posted - 2014.07.20 11:56:00 -
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I love the concept of rogue drones. AI gone haywire, hateful to all life? Yes. Give me some of that. Unfortunately, as they are in game, they're rather boring. They aren't really a threat, compared to other groups out there. They have no Ewar. As long as you can survive being shot by a bunch of virus laden garbage balls, there is NOTHING in a rogue drone nest that should scare you. And that's a shame.
To make matters worse, their loot is terrible. No modules, no nothing from average drones. Sentient drones drop some pieces you can use to make split damage drones. Whoop de doo. There is a reason no one goes after rogue drones anymore. It just isn't worth it.
Used to be, there was alloys that made rogue drones fairly profitable, but...lets be honest, those were a bad idea from the start. Give free minerals to a bunch of gun toting chumps and they're just gonna sell them for burrito money. That in turn is going to crash the mineral market and make a whole bunch of people unhappy. Dumb idea all around. Lets not bring it back. Instead, lets do something a little more interesting.
Ladies and gentlemen, I'd like to direct your attention to nanites. They are basically drones in a nice, convenient paste format. And as anyone who has read certain Sci-Fi books should know, they are goddamn scary. They're capable of breaking down just about anything into more nanites, which will in turn break down more things into nanites, which will...you get the idea.
Now think about rogue drones having that kind of power at their disposal. Just for a moment, think of the implications. That shiver you just felt? That cold feeling in the pit of your stomach? That's inspiration, my friend! And gut wrenching fear. But mostly inspiration.
Now, those nanites...how would we represent them in game? Having nanite attack swarms that eat spaceships would be a wee bit overpowered, don't you think? Lets look at resistances instead. Your ships resistances are the result of careful, intricate construction. And on top of that, you've got highly complex modules pushing the ship further beyond it's already formidable capabilities. Its a very complex setup, is what I'm trying to say.
And in my experience, complex things don't take very well to being ******* chewed on. Just ask any parent who has had a toddler stick something expensive in their mouth.
So to get back to the game mechanics, lets say that these nanite attack swarms go to work and start chewing on your spaceship. You've got defenses to prevent them from eating your ship entirely, but your resistances? Oh, they're going to be going down my friend. And suddenly, all those laser beams hurt a LOT more.
That kind of capability is something any capsuleer would drool over. So of course, it isn't going to be long before they start trying to work that ability into their own ships. And Sure, they'll be able to produce some gear that is kind of effective at the job. But for the best stuff, you need an AI at work. You need to get the components from the rogue drones themselves.
That gives us something of a reason to hunt drones again....but...I don't think its enough. Lets take it a step further. Lets say that rogue drones are a faction in their own right. And like any faction, we should have ships from them. But uh.....last time I checked, they aren't too keen on the idea of interacting with people. Or at least not in any way that doesn't involve lasers to the face. So those ships are something you're going to have to trick them into building.
So why don't we make them think they're building a new hive mother? Take those drone pieces, use them to assemble some new ones. Change just a LITTLE bit of their programming, so that they leave room for a capsule. And then throw them into a room with a bunch of wrecked hulls and let them go to work. Boom, new ships, just needing a few changes for them to be ready for capsuleer use. OF course, you will have to have a way to deal with the drones once you're done with them. They aren't going to take well to you running off with their mother.
For the bonuses from the ship...well...I'll let CCP decide that, but I'd suggest something to do with drones. Seems fitting, after all.
Hell, they can even fill the Caldari-Minmatar gap in pirate factions. After all, rogue drones ARE kind of the balance between ordered planning and jury rigged rust buckets.
So, what do you guys think? Am I crazy, or is this a good idea? |
epicurus ataraxia
Z3R0 Return Mining Inc. Illusion of Solitude
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Posted - 2014.07.20 12:11:00 -
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A pleasure to read, some nice imagery. It does sound like a lot of work, but at the right time, and right conditions, who knows? A little worried in that there is no counter to the Nanite swarms in your proposal, but I am sure something could and would be invented.
In Short, there's some nice ideas in there, just wondering if there is any will for such a change at the moment, maybe something could happen in the new space. There is one EvE. Many people. Many lifestyles. WE are EvE |
Mhari Dson
Lazy Brothers Inc
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Posted - 2014.07.20 12:11:00 -
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After catching my breath from the burrito comment, yes drones need more. I'd love to see them randomly field every type of ewar there is (they do scavenge in all corners of the galaxy after all). Kronos did give them some faction modules in the loot tree for sentients but that doesn't add up to much. Doesn't even have to be necesarily attached to manufacturing/etc, but humorous would be appreciated too.
"Do I want to know why that drone had slaver hound breeding records and 3 copies of Pax Amarria onboard?" |
Mhari Dson
Lazy Brothers Inc
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Posted - 2014.07.20 12:15:00 -
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epicurus ataraxia wrote:A pleasure to read, some nice imagery. It does sound like a lot of work, but at the right time, and right conditions, who knows? A little worried in that there is no counter to the Nanite swarms in your proposal, but I am sure something could and would be invented.
In Short, there's some nice ideas in there, just wondering if there is any will for such a change at the moment, maybe something could happen in the new space.
Armor polarizers (sp?) that restore some of the lost resistance per cycle. Shield harmonizers that do the same thing |
Distuth Brinalle
Wraith.Wing
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Posted - 2014.07.20 12:15:00 -
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epicurus ataraxia wrote:A pleasure to read, some nice imagery. It does sound like a lot of work, but at the right time, and right conditions, who knows? A little worried in that there is no counter to the Nanite swarms in your proposal, but I am sure something could and would be invented.
In Short, there's some nice ideas in there, just wondering if there is any will for such a change at the moment, maybe something could happen in the new space.
I completely forgot to put a counter in there, didn't I? Well, I've got an easy enough fix. Nanites are kinda their own counter. Its hard to chew on something while being chewed on, right? Then it just becomes a battle of who can eat who faster. And while that's happening, your resists are fine. Of course, if someone else's nanites are better than yours...eventually, you're gonna run out of nanites. |
Corraidhin Farsaidh
Hello-There
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Posted - 2014.07.20 12:46:00 -
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Distuth Brinalle wrote:After all, rogue drones ARE kind of the balance between ordered planning and jury rigged rust buckets.
That's Minmatar.
I like the idea of rogue drone faction ships and have proposed such before but using drones for functionality rather than modules. Want a TP? Stick a TP drone on the hull. Guns? Yep stick on some combat drones. Reps? Rep drones...
The unique racial trait would be that most functions could be used locally on your own hull (dock the drones and they work better since they have more power available from the central hull), or used remotely as any drone can be right now (less effective than when docked though).
I also like the idea of rogue drones getting their oily little claws on some clone blanks and putting their consciousness into them. Drone clones...
Also since they have become sentient there is a possibility that some of them may actually grow to value life. Probably more than the average capsuleer!
I had an idea for a short story along those lines, maybe I'll write it for the next time they take fiction submissions. |
Fer'isam K'ahn
None Of One
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Posted - 2014.07.20 12:49:00 -
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Like the thread, goes in a bit of the direction of a joke comment of mine: Drone ships are hosts, capsuleers are the implants, when you exit/eject a ship you can only do so by destroying the clone.
Your nanite idea could work like a tracking disruption module in the way of a negative active hardener or negative armor phaser. You get targeted you either lose a resistance amount or your resistance shifts away to a less effective one.
This new module could be weak for casual use but heavily bonused on drone ships.
And regarding artwork, each module type gets his own drone module, so all guns share one visual model, all launchers, all ewar etc... so you cant tell from the look what exactly is equipped, but still the group and the shp starts to morph like a T3 Are you sure your issues aren't elsewhere ?! |
Nevyn Auscent
Broke Sauce
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Posted - 2014.07.20 13:12:00 -
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So. Not very stealth 'Give me ubber abilities on a new pirate ship' thread. This is nothing to do with making Rogue drones dangerous and all about giving you new toys. If you had left it at 'Lets make NPC Rogue drones chew up your resists while in combat with them' that could have been an interesting idea. But you broke it with 'Give me ubber new ships' |
Fer'isam K'ahn
None Of One
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Posted - 2014.07.20 13:33:00 -
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Nevyn Auscent wrote:So. Not very stealth 'Give me ubber abilities on a new pirate ship' thread. This is nothing to do with making Rogue drones dangerous and all about giving you new toys. If you had left it at 'Lets make NPC Rogue drones chew up your resists while in combat with them' that could have been an interesting idea. But you broke it with 'Give me ubber new ships' Well, luckily we could read past that for once, believe me, I found it interesting and charming enough not to link 10 rogue drone ship threads ... you know how quick I am. If I can let it slide, can you ?
Anyways, I see this more of an opportunity to collect good suggestions of the past and connect them, each of them might not have worked, combined, maybe. So here you go, make it work. I actually think I found a solution for the on grid/off grid boost so one day I have to make a new thread in this regard, it will combine existing ideas which all have failed standing alone .. so maybe one day is the right day (sure there will be 'sneak xxx thread' replies). Are you sure your issues aren't elsewhere ?! |
Corraidhin Farsaidh
Hello-There
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Posted - 2014.07.20 14:56:00 -
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Nevyn Auscent wrote:So. Not very stealth 'Give me ubber abilities on a new pirate ship' thread. This is nothing to do with making Rogue drones dangerous and all about giving you new toys. If you had left it at 'Lets make NPC Rogue drones chew up your resists while in combat with them' that could have been an interesting idea. But you broke it with 'Give me ubber new ships'
My proposed idea isn't for uber ships but for ships that need very different piloting. I would imagine having drones available for many functions would most likely appeal to those adept at micromanagement but could be tactically interesting to fly. |
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Ocih
Space Mermaids Somethin Awfull Forums
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Posted - 2014.07.20 15:08:00 -
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I just got a picture in my head of one of those Off line POS moons in hi Sec that have been there for a while and now has the attention of some rogue drones. Creating an opportunity to kill both the drone infestation and the POS it is drawn to. |
Corraidhin Farsaidh
Hello-There
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Posted - 2014.07.20 16:08:00 -
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Ocih wrote:I just got a picture in my head of one of those Off line POS moons in hi Sec that have been there for a while and now has the attention of some rogue drones. Creating an opportunity to kill both the drone infestation and the POS it is drawn to.
A guy proposed rogue drone infestation as a means to clear offline towers a while back which has the advantage of creating new combat sigs for people to hunt too
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Zenshift
Down In My Plums
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Posted - 2014.07.20 16:26:00 -
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+1 for adding some contenet involving rogue drones. They've always felt like an untapped section of the game as far as NPCs are concerned.
Rogue drone incursions would be cool as they hate everyone equally. And I've always liked the look of the rogue drone structures so a line of POS or deployable drone structures would be pretty cool, not to mention ships or reconstructed rouge drones for personal use (rouge drone gecko?).
In the interest of content creation, it would be cool if there was a way for players to encourage an NPC infestation/incursion/attack. So a way to align interests with the rogue drones and deploy an object or structure to increase the chance that a rogue drone combat sig spawns in a particular system or constellation. Obviously it would have to be balanced: only one per system, easily probed or marked on overview, destroyable without a reinforce timer, etc. The idea of using NPCs as 3rd party muscle to create chaos would be fun. And of course, the drones will have their own agenda. |
Bohneik Itohn
Universal Freelance CONSORTIUM UNIVERSALIS
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Posted - 2014.07.20 16:54:00 -
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If you think there aren't difficult Rogue Drones sniff around a bit more. I remember running some L3 missions for the Amarr navy with rogue drones that had me neuted, webbed, scrammed and TD'd from 80km away immediately on warp in....
That was a lot of fun in a T1 fit laser beam Gnosis...
I stopped doing missions for them short of L4, so I don't know what kind of nonsense the Rogue drones get up to there.
If you really want to see some improvement for Rogue Drones see about getting them their own Incursion events. Take it a step further and you can have incursion events where the Sansha and Rogue Drones are duking it out while you try to make sure both get driven out. It's always confused me a bit how two hive-mind societies manage to co-exist without fighting each other unto exhaustion. It seems to me that they would consider each other the most dire threat possible.
Ever seen two Bee or Ant colonies fight? Pretty ruthless and thorough exterminations, with no regard to the costs of winning. Wait, CCP kills kittens now too?!-á - Freyya
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Komodo Askold
No Code of Conduct Fluffeh Bunneh Murder Squad
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Posted - 2014.07.20 17:19:00 -
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I like this! I'd also love to see more for the Rogue Drones, and the ideas you posted look very promising. +1 from me! |
elitatwo
Congregatio
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Posted - 2014.07.21 02:54:00 -
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Replicators!!
If you don't kill one special drones very quickly, you will have to deal with so much more drones... POOF
And lotsa pve tears signature |
Distuth Brinalle
Wraith.Wing
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Posted - 2014.07.21 19:54:00 -
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elitatwo wrote:Replicators!! If you don't kill one special drones very quickly, you will have to deal with so much more drones... POOF And lotsa pve tears
I'm not sure I'm a fan of that idea. It seems like it could cause a lot of lag if something goes bad. |
Bohneik Itohn
Universal Freelance CONSORTIUM UNIVERSALIS
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Posted - 2014.07.21 20:01:00 -
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elitatwo wrote:Replicators!! If you don't kill one special drones very quickly, you will have to deal with so much more drones... POOF And lotsa pve tears
No PvE tears, just a new use for a target spectrum breaker and smartbombs, and a whole lot of farming. Wait, CCP kills kittens now too?!-á - Freyya
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Distuth Brinalle
Wraith.Wing
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Posted - 2014.07.28 00:04:00 -
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Okay....impression I'm getting is that rogue drone ships are a no-no. Heh. Thats a shame. I had all kinda of ideas for a structure tanking ship (light shields and armor that regenerate really fast, like some of the drone overseers). But lets forget the ships and leave just the module as a concept. What do you guys think of that?
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Nevyn Auscent
Broke Sauce
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Posted - 2014.07.28 03:22:00 -
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Player module, terrible idea. It's already been proposed and shot down for the terrible balance effects it will have.
As an NPC only ability that Rogue drones can do because they are AI's, sure, let them be terrifying opponents. But something players have access to, hell no. |
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Vesan Terakol
Sad Face Enterprises
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Posted - 2014.07.28 08:58:00 -
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First, drones and swarm - yes, those words form a perfect association! Drones blotting out the sun! https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=4565065#post4565065 Well, that's what i had to say about that a while ago. Tho i focused more on the visual side and immersion aspect.
Adding resistance chewing would certainly spice things up. However, resistance chewing is something that CCP has tried avoiding giving to the hands of players for its potential as a force multiplier. I see it being rather balanced if it targeted only base hull resistances, leaving active effects from modules on. Still, imagine it bring used in capital warfare. That'll be a ton of unhappy titan pilots, i'm telling you!
What might Also be cool is module stutdown (like if it has burned out) on random principle every 20 seconds for 10 seconds or something like that. I've seen this proposed as a way to rework jammers, but it really makes sense that a nanite swarm will incapacitate certain internal systems and it will take time for the nanites to be purged from the system and the functionality to be restored.
Or for them to be covering thermal exchange panels, multiplying overheat rate - the meter that gets filled up, not the overload strength. Why people started erroneously calling overload overheating anyway, its the side effect!
Fer'isam K'ahn wrote: Mentioning that drone ship could act like strategic cruisers
What if, post strategic cruiser reballance, a drone platform could be introduced, that could be made to use the subsystems from ANY race (drones are scavengers after all) yet giving it a unique dronified look - now that would be a real unholy abomination to be scared of! (dronified look means that the subsystem only slightly resembles the original, allowing components otherwise not meant to fit together to form a single ship, having certain prominent features of the original - the hammerhead gallente electronics subsystem, or the micro-avatar ammar one would retain their base fetures, protruding form an otherwise drone body.)
And it could provide a base for better "sentient" drones, scavenging advanced components from capsuleer ships and being noticeably stronger than their fodder brothers. Now that could make a story worth telling out of EVE PvE - Not something that occurs regularely :) https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=4259327 - more suff in the Zero.Zero collection |
Debora Tsung
The Investment Bankers Guild
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Posted - 2014.07.28 11:12:00 -
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Fer'isam K'ahn wrote:Anyways, I see this more of an opportunity to collect good suggestions of the past and connect them, each of them might not have worked, combined, maybe. So here you go, make it work. I actually think I found a solution for the on grid/off grid boost so one day I have to make a new thread in this regard, it will combine existing ideas which all have failed standing alone .. so maybe one day is the right day (sure there will be 'sneak xxx thread' replies). gl then. some would say that combining 10 failed ideas would just make a another heap of 10 failed ideas. Stupidity should be a bannable offense.
Also This --> https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=216699 Please stop making "afk cloak" threads, thanks in advance. |
Fer'isam K'ahn
None Of One
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Posted - 2014.07.28 11:22:00 -
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Debora Tsung wrote:gl then. some would say that combining 10 failed ideas would just make a another heap of 10 failed ideas. Yeah, right, like heating up wheat alone, then try heating up only water and see if it becomes solid and chewable, maybe heating up pure yeast, heating salt and heating herbs .... then someone came along and tried combinations Sure, nothing could ever come from combining failed or useless concepts.... glad you dismantled all of chemistry and like all scientific methods of trying and testing.
GJ Are you sure your issues aren't elsewhere ?! |
Petrified
Old and Petrified Syndication TOG - The Older Gamers Alliance
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Posted - 2014.07.28 11:38:00 -
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I've sometimes thought encounters with rogue drones should make you ask the question: "Hey! Why are my drones shooting me now?!"
I like the idea overall. It would add more value to the Rogue drones themselves.
Though, I have some issue with the argument that removing drone compounds was a good idea because it gave capsuleers free minerals. Its a bit silly when you consider items dropped from Guristas or Serpentis, for example, can not only be used on your own ship or sold but can also be reprocessed into "free" minerals. Given the reprocessing changes, it doesn't seem over the top to bring drone compounds back with a lowered base mineral value.
But otherwise, fun idea. |
RAIN Arthie
The Ascended Fleet Intrepid Crossing
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Posted - 2014.07.28 13:59:00 -
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Lore answer: Another being has taken control of ships. We kill those ships and they offer little information or resources. Story line dies.
Realistic answer: Little loot procured only worth shooting if trying to fix sec status or in a -.9
Blanace problems. |
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