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Handar Turiant
University of Caille Gallente Federation
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Posted - 2014.07.21 08:59:00 -
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Hi All,
Looking to build a gallente cloaky Solo PvP surprise ********* boat, to hunt nullbears. Can't fly a Proteus yet, so wondering what would be best? Ideally something that can pop frigs and cruisers. Not looking to engage big game. |
Shpenat
Galactic Exploration and Mining Corporation The Obsidian Front
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Posted - 2014.07.21 10:58:00 -
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The cloaking device is your enemy here. You are subject to decloak lock time delay and reduced scan resolution.
This more or less disqualify any T1 ship (except for Sisters of Eve faction line) for any meaningless PvP. You will have to wait 30 second after decloak to be able to lock anything.
That leaves you just with T2 and T3 ships. Since you can not fly Proteus yet the only sensible option you have is arazu. |
Bronson Hughes
The Knights of the Blessed Mother of Acceleration
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Posted - 2014.07.21 13:04:00 -
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Re-affirming that putting a cloak on any ship without bonuses to cloaking devices (either allowing CovOps cloak or reducing penalties to T1 cloaks) makes it difficult to PvP in, and all but impossible to solo PvP in.
1. You can't warp cloaked, and your subwarp velocity while cloaked is greatly degraded, so your target has to come to you. 2. Your lock time upon decloaking will be absolutely atrocious (both the lock delay penalty, and your reduced scan resolution), so they have to sit around and wait for you too lock them so you can point and kill them.
The only kind of target that a non-bonused cloaking setup would do well against is autopiloting haulers or other AFK ships, and I'm pretty sure that you don't need a cloak to kill them. A much better use of a cloaking device is to have a second character sitting cloaked on-grid somewhere acting as your scout, and leaving your primary combat ship uncloaked. Reading Comprehension: a skill so important it deserves it's own skillbook.
I want to create content, not become content. |
Serendipity Lost
Repo Industries
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Posted - 2014.07.21 15:12:00 -
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You don't need a cloaking ship for null bears - you need a can opener. A big space can opener.
As soon as you enter their system they dock.
If you want to cloak in their system - any cov ops capable ship will do. Then you can freely warp around cloaked for hours and find no ships out of pos shields/docking ring. |
Degnar Oskold
Justified Chaos
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Posted - 2014.07.21 15:52:00 -
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I used to have luck with a cloaky blaster falcon. It could handle many cruisers and all frigates. BUt you need to have Cloaking trained up to 5 to deal with the cloak delay. |
Netan MalDoran
xXTheWarhammerXx
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Posted - 2014.07.21 16:47:00 -
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I haven't actually tried it yet, but I was thinking about using a Manticore (Only one I can use ATM) with light missiles and blasters as a cloaky PvP surprise. Since it is a Stealth Bomber it has no targeting penalties and no sub-warp speed penalty and you can warp cloaked! I would check out the Gallente Stealth Bomber and see what you can do with it.
(And you can equip torp's to take out bigger things if you can get under their guns.)
Not sure why no one mentioned this yet. "Your security status has been lowered." - Hell yeah it was! |
Voyager Arran
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
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Posted - 2014.07.21 17:33:00 -
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Solo Bombers were terrific ratter hunters before Odyssey added tackling frigates to every nullsec anomaly. Now all ratters have some method to deal with frigates, and bombers are too squishy to handle targets that can fight back. If you want to kill ratters, you need to be able to handle an Ishtar (and an Ishtar's heavy drones will murder a solo bomber while the Ishtar pilot is in the bathroom), or hold down and kill a Battleship with an MJD, Heavy Neut, and quite possibly bonused drones.
Hunting ratters is a lot harder than it used to be.
One common option was to take out a cloaky Vagabond or Cynabal. You roll around like normal trying to pick people off in anomalies, and the cloak is just there so you can go to ground when a 30 man defense fleet starts hunting you. |
Riot Girl
You'll Cowards Don't Even Smoke Crack
3337
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Posted - 2014.07.21 17:39:00 -
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I've heard good things about the SOE ships. Oh god. |
Serendipity Lost
Repo Industries
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Posted - 2014.07.21 17:51:00 -
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More scramming ships in anoms would be helpful. The sisters of eve ships are great for what you are thinking of doing. Good enough armor tank and lots of mid slots for pvp candy.
Just imagine how pvp would improve with more scramming rats (frigs, cruisers and battleships). Then uncloaking and engaging would actually be an option.
SOE cruiser bomber pilgrim rapier arazu falcon
pretty much in that order for my preferences. |
Voyager Arran
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
447
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Posted - 2014.07.22 06:46:00 -
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It works the other way around, actually. Before tackling frigate rats were in every anomaly, it was very popular to rat in Attack Battlecruisers, fragile ships that could barely kill the anomaly faster than it killed them, had no ability whatsoever to deal with small targets, and were virtually guaranteed to die to anything that got on grid with them. The step up from that was a Vindicator, but now that you are guaranteed to be tackled for minutes at a time whenever you run a hub nobody sane rats in them anymore.
When you make ratting harder or more dangerous without increasing the reward to compensate, people don't just keep doing the same thing and let themselves get farmed. Instead, they shift to ships that are more resilient to the new hazards or just stop ratting altogether. |
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Serendipity Lost
Repo Industries
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Posted - 2014.07.22 16:31:00 -
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It's all about risk aversion and free stuffs w/ you null bears.
When I first started playing eve there was this (real or imagined) ship on the shoulder of null sec residents. Come out to null where the hard players make the big rewards due to the big risk. Now all I hear are the overlords crafting continuous justification for 'improvements' that come down to more stuffs for less work (or folks will quit the game - of course).
I get that you are basically sheep farmers living of your crop of lambs, but have a little dignity. Tend the herd, but please don't panhandle too. Stop trying to convert eve to farmville. |
Serendipity Lost
Repo Industries
297
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Posted - 2014.07.22 16:39:00 -
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Voyager Arran wrote:
When you make ratting harder or more dangerous without increasing the reward to compensate, people don't just keep doing the same thing and let themselves get farmed. Instead, they shift to ships that are more resilient to the new hazards or just stop ratting altogether.
I'll assume you have some charts or figures or made up facts to support this claim.
When they made ratting almost impossible (by null standards) in WH space the pilots flocked to it. So I'll say your claim looks silly based on the overwhelming evidence. |
Xequecal
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
252
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Posted - 2014.07.23 01:03:00 -
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WH rats are rich, k-space rats are not.
You don't remember the time before we had 20 anoms in a system and line members had to belt rat in nullsec, back then it was very hard to get people to come to nullsec because belt ratting was less than half the ISK of level fours. |
Serendipity Lost
Repo Industries
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Posted - 2014.07.23 02:19:00 -
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Xequecal wrote:WH rats are rich, k-space rats are not.
You don't remember the time before we had 20 anoms in a system and line members had to belt rat in nullsec, back then it was very hard to get people to come to nullsec because belt ratting was less than half the ISK of level fours.
Actually I do remember those days. IRON, the great northern war, nutty to the last man groups like BRUCE. But then again that doesn't really apply to here and now. It's funny how bringing up more scramming anom rats brings such a response from certain groups regardless of the thread. I am smiling - thanks for that.
It wasn't difficult to get folks into null back then. It was difficult to get a stable renting population. Null folks were more into pvp and gaining and defending their space. Now the 2 large coalitions have turned null into a 'for rent' communal farm. Now you want to attract more income. You're not really looking for pvp at this point.
Find me the last goon post promoting anything pvp. You're just promoting easy mode and income isk. TBH - that's just plain boring. I think you lads have lost your way. |
Christopher Mabata
Dominion Tenebrarum Reverberation Project
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Posted - 2014.07.26 20:09:00 -
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1. You will need a covert ops if you want real cloaky PVP 2. Your best bets are as follows: ~ Pilgrim ~ Rocket Bomber ( kills unarmed frigs try not to brawl ) ~ T3's
You could do a smartbombing Black Ops as well but that wont warp cloaked and is Highly unadvisable due to cost.
And yes as others have said dont just stick a cloak on it and call it cloaky, non covops or bonus'd ships are subject to a decloaking penalty as well as a scan res penalty. Is it bad if your friend says "that was a Metaphor" and you say "Meta 4? Get Tech II or faction" ?I love the sound of silent explosions in Space.-á |
Christopher Mabata
Dominion Tenebrarum Reverberation Project
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Posted - 2014.07.26 20:11:00 -
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Degnar Oskold wrote:I used to have luck with a cloaky blaster falcon. It could handle many cruisers and all frigates. BUt you need to have Cloaking trained up to 5 to deal with the cloak delay.
The T2 targeting system stabilizer rigs make the delay bearable, and if your willing to blow 200m the smokescreen cloak helps a lot too. and interesting choice doing solo in a falcon, i use a rook for that usually Is it bad if your friend says "that was a Metaphor" and you say "Meta 4? Get Tech II or faction" ?I love the sound of silent explosions in Space.-á |
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