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Cyrus dePlague
State War Academy Caldari State
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Posted - 2014.07.21 14:29:00 -
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I'm currently doing solo Caldari PVE in a blaster Merlin (3x Light Neutron II w/Null S) with some shield tank to boot. My main PVE has been either Level 2 Security missions or Hideaway/Burrow combat sites, but I think I'd like to upgrade from the Merlin to the next best thing.
At first glance, I was thinking a blaster Harpy (4x Light Neutron II w/Null S plus Salvager in high spots), but was hoping to get some input as to whether there's something else out there that might be better suited for higher-level PVE (Level 3/4 missions, Refuge/Den combat sites).
Any thoughts/fits that people can point me to? Thanks! |
Caleidascope
Republic Military School Minmatar Republic
529
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Posted - 2014.07.21 14:38:00 -
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Have you heard of Destroyers, Cruisers, Battle Cruisers (battle bruisers) and Battleships? Life is short and dinner time is chancy Eat dessert first! |
Jessica Duranin
Science and Trade Institute Caldari State
106
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Posted - 2014.07.21 14:41:00 -
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Assuming you are doing missions in highsec: get a bigger ship.
L1 Frig/Destroyer L2 Cruiser L3 Battlecruiser L4 Battleship
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Cyrus dePlague
State War Academy Caldari State
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Posted - 2014.07.21 14:48:00 -
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Huh. Never heard of 'em.
Seriously, I had been thinking on staying with the smaller frigates, but you bring up a good point about the larger ships. All the better to blast the hell out of things with, I guess.
Any recommendations as to which ones to start training towards (or, more importantly, avoid with every fiber of my being)? |
Nalelmir Ahashion
Omegon 42nd Core
556
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Posted - 2014.07.21 14:49:00 -
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start with destroyers, they use same weapons\modules as frigates but pack some more serious punch in the process. "What's worse than a foul-mouthed eight-year-old constantly claiming he's had relations with your mother? A foul-mouthed eight-year-old constantly claiming he's had relations with your mother who thinks he's a gangser, that's what." --áAaron Birch |
Caleidascope
Republic Military School Minmatar Republic
529
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Posted - 2014.07.21 14:50:00 -
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You can run L4 Recon 1/3 is mwd fitted noob/t1 frig. But I think that is the only one L4 you can do in a frig. Life is short and dinner time is chancy Eat dessert first! |
Jessica Duranin
Science and Trade Institute Caldari State
106
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Posted - 2014.07.21 15:04:00 -
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You won't get very far in regards to PvE with frigs. It's one of the rare cases in EvE where bigger actually IS better.
Some T1 BS you could aim for are : Raven(missiles, shield) , Dominix(drones, armor), Apocalypse(lasers, armor), Megathron (Hybrids, armor), or some Minmatar BS (don't know which one gets used for L4s)
Personally I would stay away from missiles, since they are really boring to use and the support skills don't help with other weapons systems - but that's just me. (Also if you want to do incursions some day you will need gunnery skills anyway) |
Owen Levanth
Federated Deep Space Explorations
212
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Posted - 2014.07.21 15:08:00 -
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Cyrus dePlague wrote:I'm currently doing solo Caldari PVE in a blaster Merlin (3x Light Neutron II w/Null S) with some shield tank to boot. My main PVE has been either Level 2 Security missions or Hideaway/Burrow combat sites, but I think I'd like to upgrade from the Merlin to the next best thing.
At first glance, I was thinking a blaster Harpy (4x Light Neutron II w/Null S plus Salvager in high spots), but was hoping to get some input as to whether there's something else out there that might be better suited for higher-level PVE (Level 3/4 missions, Refuge/Den combat sites).
Any thoughts/fits that people can point me to? Thanks!
A Harpy is fine up to level 3, the Hawk would have been even better, thanks to variable damage. But well, if you have the skills for T2 hybrids already, then a Harpy would work.
Level 4 with a T2 frigate is simply not possible, battleship-rats have so many HP you would take an eternity, even though you would most likely take almost no damage.
If you really don't want to take large ships, skill into a Tengu and missiles, or try a blaster-Proteus. Both are T3s and can easily shred level 4 missions. |
Cyrus dePlague
State War Academy Caldari State
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Posted - 2014.07.21 15:09:00 -
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Jessica Duranin wrote:Personally I would stay away from missiles, since they are really boring to use and the support skills don't help with other weapons systems - but that's just me. (Also if you want to do incursions some day you will need gunnery skills anyway)
Much appreciated - not a fan of missiles myself, and I've already been putting a decent amount of time in with my gunnery skills. I'll check out those ships you mentioned in ISIS when I get home from work.
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Degnar Oskold
Justified Chaos
113
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Posted - 2014.07.21 16:06:00 -
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If you want to stay away from Missiles, then
Level 2 : Rail Moa Level 3: Rail Ferox Level 4: Rail Rokh
Rails have lower DPS than blasters, but you'll do missions faster than having to MWD/AB in range of everything. |
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Netan MalDoran
xXTheWarhammerXx
45
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Posted - 2014.07.21 16:52:00 -
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Degnar Oskold wrote:If you want to stay away from Missiles, then
Level 2 : Rail Moa Level 3: Rail Ferox Level 4: Rail Rokh
Rails have lower DPS than blasters, but you'll do missions faster than having to MWD/AB in range of everything.
Do what he said, this works perfectly as the Ferox can pack a massive tank and they all have drones. If you do want a dessie, then the Cormorant works well (As the Corax is a missile boat) especially with multiple weapon types. For my corm highs I have 2 rails, 5 blasters, and a rocket or lite missile launcher so that you can pre-damage the rats with the rails and missiles (Or if their running and you can't keep up) then you can get in close and brawl them to death with the blasters. Or you could go all rails but you will still take some damage as light rails don't have the best range. "Your security status has been lowered." - Hell yeah it was! |
Caleidascope
Republic Military School Minmatar Republic
529
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Posted - 2014.07.21 17:09:00 -
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Netan MalDoran wrote:Degnar Oskold wrote:If you want to stay away from Missiles, then
Level 2 : Rail Moa Level 3: Rail Ferox Level 4: Rail Rokh
Rails have lower DPS than blasters, but you'll do missions faster than having to MWD/AB in range of everything. Do what he said, this works perfectly as the Ferox can pack a massive tank and they all have drones. If you do want a dessie, then the Cormorant works well (As the Corax is a missile boat) especially with multiple weapon types. For my corm highs I have 2 rails, 5 blasters, and a rocket or lite missile launcher so that you can pre-damage the rats with the rails and missiles (Or if their running and you can't keep up) then you can get in close and brawl them to death with the blasters. Or you could go all rails but you will still take some damage as light rails don't have the best range. LOL Classy dual range weapons fit. Life is short and dinner time is chancy Eat dessert first! |
Paranoid Loyd
938
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Posted - 2014.07.21 17:27:00 -
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Netan MalDoran wrote:Degnar Oskold wrote:If you want to stay away from Missiles, then
Level 2 : Rail Moa Level 3: Rail Ferox Level 4: Rail Rokh
Rails have lower DPS than blasters, but you'll do missions faster than having to MWD/AB in range of everything. Do what he said, this works perfectly as the Ferox can pack a massive tank and they all have drones. If you do want a dessie, then the Cormorant works well (As the Corax is a missile boat) especially with multiple weapon types. For my corm highs I have 2 rails, 5 blasters, and a rocket or lite missile launcher so that you can pre-damage the rats with the rails and missiles (Or if their running and you can't keep up) then you can get in close and brawl them to death with the blasters. Or you could go all rails but you will still take some damage as light rails don't have the best range.
Please don't do this.
"PvE in EVE is a trap to turn you into PvP content, don't confuse it for actual gameplay." Lipbite |
Riot Girl
You'll Cowards Don't Even Smoke Crack
3337
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Posted - 2014.07.21 17:47:00 -
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Go with Gallente imo. Oh god. |
Khan Wrenth
Hedion University Amarr Empire
18
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Posted - 2014.07.21 21:44:00 -
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Caleidascope wrote:You can run L4 Recon 1/3 is mwd fitted noob/t1 frig. But I think that is the only one L4 you can do in a frig.
I routinely run Level 4 security missions in assault frigates. I haven't kept a spreadsheet to check off to see if I've done every single one of the missions, but I have been doing it for months. Including that one day where I got "Angels Extravaganza!" twice in a row. |
Caleidascope
Republic Military School Minmatar Republic
529
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Posted - 2014.07.21 21:48:00 -
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Khan Wrenth wrote:Caleidascope wrote:You can run L4 Recon 1/3 is mwd fitted noob/t1 frig. But I think that is the only one L4 you can do in a frig. I routinely run Level 4 security missions in assault frigates. I haven't kept a spreadsheet to check off to see if I've done every single one of the missions, but I have been doing it for months. Including that one day where I got "Angels Extravaganza!" twice in a row. I am not a masochist. Life is short and dinner time is chancy Eat dessert first! |
Ralph King-Griffin
Lords.Of.Midnight The Devil's Warrior Alliance
3049
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Posted - 2014.07.21 22:02:00 -
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Netan MalDoran wrote:Degnar Oskold wrote:If you want to stay away from Missiles, then
Level 2 : Rail Moa Level 3: Rail Ferox Level 4: Rail Rokh
Rails have lower DPS than blasters, but you'll do missions faster than having to MWD/AB in range of everything. Do what he said, this works perfectly as the Ferox can pack a massive tank and they all have drones. If you do want a dessie, then the Cormorant works well (As the Corax is a missile boat) especially with multiple weapon types. For my corm highs I have 2 rails, 5 blasters, and a rocket or lite missile launcher so that you can pre-damage the rats with the rails and missiles (Or if their running and you can't keep up) then you can get in close and brawl them to death with the blasters. Or you could go all rails but you will still take some damage as light rails don't have the best range. A player from 2013.09.07 should know better than this. Seriously man, troll in general discussion, not here. "Confirming EVE is hot, batshit crazy, and puts out." -Omar Alharazaad "CAKE CANNOT HOLD UP TO BEING A CHARACTER DAMNIT." --áUnsuccessful At Everything |
Praxis Ginimic
Whine T3ar Brewery Blood.Drunk
828
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Posted - 2014.07.21 22:41:00 -
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Netan MalDoran wrote:Degnar Oskold wrote:If you want to stay away from Missiles, then
Level 2 : Rail Moa Level 3: Rail Ferox Level 4: Rail Rokh
Rails have lower DPS than blasters, but you'll do missions faster than having to MWD/AB in range of everything. Do what he said, this works perfectly as the Ferox can pack a massive tank and they all have drones. If you do want a dessie, then the Cormorant works well (As the Corax is a missile boat) especially with multiple weapon types. For my corm highs I have 2 rails, 5 blasters, and a rocket or lite missile launcher so that you can pre-damage the rats with the rails and missiles (Or if their running and you can't keep up) then you can get in close and brawl them to death with the blasters. Or you could go all rails but you will still take some damage as light rails don't have the best range.
This is terrible advice. Don't "pre-damage" anything. Just a pick a range at which you would like to destroy things and destroy then at that range. |
Khan Wrenth
Hedion University Amarr Empire
18
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Posted - 2014.07.21 23:17:00 -
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Caleidascope wrote:I am not a masochist.
Okay, you got me on that one. |
IIshira
School of Applied Knowledge Caldari State
1026
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Posted - 2014.07.21 23:22:00 -
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Riot Girl wrote:Go with Gallente imo.
This^
Caldari PVE is missiles. If you want to stay with hybrid weapons go Gallente since they have far better choices. |
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Tulber
Caldari State
5
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Posted - 2014.07.22 00:12:00 -
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Since nobody else mentioned this option:
1. Join FW 2. Continue flying merlins 3. ???? 4. There is no 4 |
Dr Cedric
Independent Miners Corporation Care Factor
58
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Posted - 2014.07.22 01:55:00 -
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Owen Levanth wrote:Cyrus dePlague wrote:I'm currently doing solo Caldari PVE in a blaster Merlin (3x Light Neutron II w/Null S) with some shield tank to boot. My main PVE has been either Level 2 Security missions or Hideaway/Burrow combat sites, but I think I'd like to upgrade from the Merlin to the next best thing.
At first glance, I was thinking a blaster Harpy (4x Light Neutron II w/Null S plus Salvager in high spots), but was hoping to get some input as to whether there's something else out there that might be better suited for higher-level PVE (Level 3/4 missions, Refuge/Den combat sites).
Any thoughts/fits that people can point me to? Thanks! A Harpy is fine up to level 3, the Hawk would have been even better, thanks to variable damage. But well, if you have the skills for T2 hybrids already, then a Harpy would work. Level 4 with a T2 frigate is simply not possible, battleship-rats have so many HP you would take an eternity, even though you would most likely take almost no damage. If you really don't want to take large ships, skill into a Tengu and missiles, or try a blaster-Proteus. Both are T3s and can easily shred level 4 missions.
Lvl4's with AF's is totally Possible, just not the most efficient use of time/ammo. It is a BLAST to run around Lvl 4 missions in a rail harpy and 1-volley most frigs, 2-volley most of the destroyers, coupla seconds on cruisers, little more on BC's and then just orbit and semi-afk the BS. Relaxing in a way.
On that note, the only BIG worry you'll have w/ a Rail (or Blaster) Harpy is if you fight Sansha rats...tracking disruptors are no bueno. Cedric
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Maeltstome
Twisted Insanity. The Kadeshi
533
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Posted - 2014.07.22 14:57:00 -
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Ishkur/Enyo can handle level 4's |
Cyrus dePlague
State War Academy Caldari State
2
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Posted - 2014.07.22 15:05:00 -
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Thanks for all the feedback, folks. At this time I'm going for a Moa, and will see how that flies for a bit. |
Atomeon
The Scope Gallente Federation
8
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Posted - 2014.07.22 21:58:00 -
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Cyrus dePlague wrote:Thanks for all the feedback, folks. At this time I'm going for a Moa, and will see how that flies for a bit.
I dont think you have read all the feedback. They said Caldari is terrible with gunnery skils because their weapons dont have bonus to damage.
You should go Gallente and use a gunship for missions.
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JAF Anders
Quantum Cats Syndicate Repeat 0ffenders
264
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Posted - 2014.07.22 22:21:00 -
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You might find that railguns will save you time moving from target to target to apply DPS. At any rate, medium railguns are in a healthy spot at this time and they work well with the Moa.
A few notes, though:
Bigger is not always better, even in high-sec PvE. Level 4 missions still have frigates to kill; without webs or other effective range control, you'll take a lot longer to gun down those smaller targets with larger turrets.
Tanking incoming DPS is a tricky game to play. While it's true that larger modules repair more damage per second, you'll be subjecting your vessel to more damage the larger the ship you use. The nimble Assault Frigate with its low signature radius and high resist profile mitigates incoming DPS much better than the sluggish Battleship. The pursuit of excellence and stabbed plexing alts. |
Netan MalDoran
xXTheWarhammerXx
49
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Posted - 2014.07.22 23:59:00 -
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Praxis Ginimic wrote:Netan MalDoran wrote:Degnar Oskold wrote:If you want to stay away from Missiles, then
Level 2 : Rail Moa Level 3: Rail Ferox Level 4: Rail Rokh
Rails have lower DPS than blasters, but you'll do missions faster than having to MWD/AB in range of everything. Do what he said, this works perfectly as the Ferox can pack a massive tank and they all have drones. If you do want a dessie, then the Cormorant works well (As the Corax is a missile boat) especially with multiple weapon types. For my corm highs I have 2 rails, 5 blasters, and a rocket or lite missile launcher so that you can pre-damage the rats with the rails and missiles (Or if their running and you can't keep up) then you can get in close and brawl them to death with the blasters. Or you could go all rails but you will still take some damage as light rails don't have the best range. This is terrible advice. Don't "pre-damage" anything. Just a pick a range at which you would like to destroy things and destroy then at that range.
I've gotten this before but it surprisingly works well for this ship, haven't found any other ships where this works. Definitely don't recommend this type of fitting for PvP. "Your security status has been lowered." - Hell yeah it was! |
Dato Koppla
Elite Guards
655
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Posted - 2014.07.23 01:33:00 -
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You can do L4 missions in pretty much any ship you want. Some L4 missions can even be done in a T1 frig (not just Recon, but proper combat missions). However it will take extremely painfully long. L4s should only really be done in a Battleship, T3, HAC, or a Command Ship. While other ships can do it it's simply not worth the time. |
Maeltstome
Twisted Insanity. The Kadeshi
533
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Posted - 2014.07.23 11:41:00 -
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Netan MalDoran wrote:Praxis Ginimic wrote:Netan MalDoran wrote:Degnar Oskold wrote:If you want to stay away from Missiles, then
Level 2 : Rail Moa Level 3: Rail Ferox Level 4: Rail Rokh
Rails have lower DPS than blasters, but you'll do missions faster than having to MWD/AB in range of everything. Do what he said, this works perfectly as the Ferox can pack a massive tank and they all have drones. If you do want a dessie, then the Cormorant works well (As the Corax is a missile boat) especially with multiple weapon types. For my corm highs I have 2 rails, 5 blasters, and a rocket or lite missile launcher so that you can pre-damage the rats with the rails and missiles (Or if their running and you can't keep up) then you can get in close and brawl them to death with the blasters. Or you could go all rails but you will still take some damage as light rails don't have the best range. This is terrible advice. Don't "pre-damage" anything. Just a pick a range at which you would like to destroy things and destroy then at that range. I've gotten this before but it surprisingly works well for this ship, haven't found any other ships where this works. Definitely don't recommend this type of fitting for PvP.
It doesn't matter how you justify it - it's sub-optimal. If that strategy works better than a normal then your normal strategy is wrong.
Try switching to ALL rails and try things that way... and time your missions - hearsay isn't mathematical data. |
Jeanne-Luise Argenau
Suddenly Frigates Reconstructed Criticism
125
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Posted - 2014.07.23 16:26:00 -
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for L4 missions i personally think the rokh is the worst choice. but as its the only shield rail platform per design its still a choice. my personal choice would probably end up like this so with shield and rails. This is a osmium fit i created so cant say i tested it but statwise it looks akin to the mission boat i used.
[Megathron Navy Issue, Unnamed loadout] Tracking Enhancer II Tracking Enhancer II Drone Damage Amplifier II Drone Damage Amplifier II Magnetic Field Stabilizer II Shadow Serpentis Magnetic Field Stabilizer Magnetic Field Stabilizer II Federation Navy Co-Processor
Heavy Capacitor Booster II, Cap Booster 800 X-Large Shield Booster II Large Micro Jump Drive Domination Adaptive Invulnerability Field
350mm Railgun II, Federation Navy Lead Charge L 350mm Railgun II, Federation Navy Lead Charge L 350mm Railgun II, Federation Navy Lead Charge L 350mm Railgun II, Federation Navy Lead Charge L 350mm Railgun II, Federation Navy Lead Charge L 350mm Railgun II, Federation Navy Lead Charge L 350mm Railgun II, Federation Navy Lead Charge L [empty high slot]
Large Anti-EM Screen Reinforcer I Large Anti-Thermal Screen Reinforcer I Large Ionic Field Projector I
Garde II x5 Federation Navy Hobgoblin x5
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